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10-05-2021, 09:28 AM | #51 | ||
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10-05-2021, 09:28 AM | #52 | |||
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10-05-2021, 09:29 AM | #53 | |||
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…I mean, that for me is such a key in working in schools for most of my working life…awareness is raised in adults all of the time and always has been and that’s brought about some changes…but children are our future…(…cliche, I know but it’s true…)…to engage them is the key to an Earth future and to do that, sadly Al just wasn’t going to do it….
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10-05-2021, 09:31 AM | #54 | |||
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…exactly, so Trump did what Trump did best and insulted and name called…and then with the help of social media…sadly the age and era of ‘followers’ and people said haha…etc…
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10-05-2021, 09:33 AM | #55 | |||
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10-05-2021, 09:35 AM | #56 | ||
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Like I said I'm in a bit of a philosophical soup with this stuff at the moment so I'm not actually 100% on my thoughts, I just know there's "something" . |
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10-05-2021, 09:35 AM | #57 | |||
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Social Media (and I know it has great points too) I think is certainly responsible for the weaponising of all these "buzz words"
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10-05-2021, 09:37 AM | #58 | |||
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…I often have long chats with the Mister that have stemmed from a forum thread…well, I have to say…it’s less now that I do because so many ‘discussions’ sadly aren’t discussions at all…they’re like backward and forward tennis matches or ball batting of media links and articles and statistics and etc…those best long chats for me that go on in depth and endlessly into the early hours with friends etc…?..we’ve never once so far as I can recall said….hang on, look here’s an article and it says…!!!!!!!….so there…!!!….it’s all about thoughts and the communication of and listening to opinions that sometimes can rearrange your own thinking with a different focus…. |
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10-05-2021, 09:39 AM | #59 | ||
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One thing that's really bugging me is that moral absolutism and post-truth are concepts that are essentially completely incompatible and yet they are definitely merging and interacting within left-rhetoric. How, and why? There's an inherent incompatibility and I think on some level people know that - because if you push at that incompatibility people get very, very angry which is surely borne of frustration at trying to combine incongruent philosophies?
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10-05-2021, 09:41 AM | #60 | |||
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10-05-2021, 09:44 AM | #61 | |||
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10-05-2021, 09:46 AM | #62 | |||
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10-05-2021, 09:48 AM | #63 | |||
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10-05-2021, 09:56 AM | #65 | ||
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In essense... I'm currently wondering if there's something slightly risky about shoe-horning free thinking into young minds that aren't quite prepped for it yet. Leading young people to believe that they are free-thinking when they're actually mimicking (below about age 10 or 11 they CAN only be mimicking) and that somehow affecting their ability to develop true independent reasoning later in life, e.g. during higher education. After all - they think they've been doing it since they were kids, so what do they need to know about these advanced concepts? |
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10-05-2021, 10:00 AM | #66 | |||
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…anyways, I do feel that sadly the forum has come to follow the media and social media in terms of ‘click bait’ for too long and that’s been the deterioration of discussion quality…so thank you, Slim ….…for a thread and question that’s been very open and honest and agenda free…more like the thriving SD we’ve all experienced and loved as a core of TiBB…
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10-05-2021, 10:04 AM | #67 | ||
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In short, post-structuralism (loosely, post-truth) is the concept that we all have "our own truth" and there is no absolute; any description of the absolute is a social construction and ambiguous/up for debate. It's an essential concept in gender theory. Moral absolutism on the other hand is the idea that certain aspects of morality are absolute and beyond reasonable discussion; that discussing the "how and why" of a supposedly-moral statement "that anyone should be able to see is moral" is inherently immoral (making them off the table for discussion, if you don't want to be deemed a wrong'un).
But no form of absolutism fits with post-structuralism... the nuances of morality would ALWAYS be up for debate and an element of subjectivity. But I see a lot of left-rhetoric strongly advocating for both. Individual truth is real. Objective morality is also real. It doesn't blend, it requires a level of cognitive dissonance to even hold both views similtaneously and I honestly think that's where a lot of the frustration and aggression is rooted. Maybe. It's a work in progress Last edited by Toy Soldier; 10-05-2021 at 10:05 AM. |
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10-05-2021, 10:07 AM | #68 | |||
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…..sorry I must go, I’m on the drag…but yeah… |
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10-05-2021, 10:10 AM | #69 | |||
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10-05-2021, 10:43 AM | #70 | ||
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10-05-2021, 10:50 AM | #71 | |||
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The thing that irritates me with Greta is how she intimates that everyone who came before her has stolen something from her and her generation and that simply isn't true. Some people have worked hard to reduce their carbon footprint, Prince Philip, for instance, was talking about global warming decades ago' but it feels like anyone older than Greta is blind to the problems and guilty of exacerbating them. I also am wary of kids pushed into the faces of the public by two parents who know exactly how engage and manipulate the media. |
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10-05-2021, 10:56 AM | #72 | |||
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..hmmmmmm…(…I really am so on the drag and need to eat something…)…but to delay the encouragement of free thinking and problem solving thinking etc …to philosophise in thoughts…?..until adolescence would not prepare for their higher school advancement but it would also leave it open for more fixed mindsets …more ‘limited conditioning’ within individual environmental factors and less open to thinking beyond themselves and their world…anyways, ta ta…I think I might faint with food deprivation…. |
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10-05-2021, 11:15 AM | #73 | ||
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From personal anecdotal experience; there's something quite fascinating occurring in my daughter's age group at the moment that highlights this really. She's 11, in the final year of primary school, but she's well into "teen territory" in terms of physical development and that tends to be the case at that age; some of the kids are still very much pre-adolescent, some are essentially spotty teens... and there is a clear divergence when it comes to social and abstract thinking that occurs along that line. LOTS of clashes between moody opinionated adolescents and "still more childlike" kids who see things as very black and white. Lots of more advanced concepts seem to "click" and (it would appear) it's much more firmly rooted in actual physical development than in age or education. |
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10-05-2021, 11:33 AM | #74 | |||
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…I’m not really understanding you…obviously emotional and physical developments will vary…but do you mean more peer stuff which would possibly conflict with parental influences…?… …I’m with you on Year 6 children being a very interesting year group…..years 5 and 6 are probably my favourite year groups……I learn a lot from their thought processes…. |
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22-06-2021, 12:15 AM | #75 | |||
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