[Oliver_W]

A Canadian nurse is under investigation by a health regulator after complaints were made about an "I [heart] J.K. Rowling" billboard she paid for.



Amy Hamm is being investigated by the British Columbia College of Nurses and Midwives (BCCNM) following complaints that her view that identifying as trans does not equate to changing biological sex would threaten "trans and gender-diverse communities," according to Justice Centre for Constitutional Freedoms (JCCF) lawyers representing the nurse.

But Hamm argues that none of her views would impact her ability to help her patients.

"Fighting for women's sex-based rights has no impact on my ability to provide care as a nurse. There is nothing hateful or transphobic about women's rights," Hamm wrote to Newsweek.

https://www.newsweek.com/nurse-being...people-1611017

When will women learn to sit down and shut up

[Toy Soldier]

Dunno if it's the same in Canada but in the UK the professional college (Royal College of Nursing or "RCN") is not the same thing as the professional governing body (The Nursing and Midwifery Council, or "NMC")...

Over here, the NMC is the one you have to worry about (they can suspend or completely strip the professional registration so you can't be a nurse at all any more i.e. "being struck off") and an RCN investigation is ... . They could slap you on the wrist or kick you out of the RCN entirely but you don't need to be an RCN member to practice as a nurse... whilst it's by far the largest, there are other groups/unions. It has no REAL bearing on what jobs you can hold or apply for.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Dunno if it's the same in Canada but in the UK the professional college (Royal College of Nursing or "RCN") is not the same thing as the professional governing body (The Nursing and Midwifery Council, or "NMC")...

Over here, the NMC is the one you have to worry about (they can suspend or completely strip the professional registration so you can't be a nurse at all any more i.e. "being struck off") and an RCN investigation is ... . They could slap you on the wrist or kick you out of the RCN entirely but you don't need to be an RCN member to practice as a nurse... whilst it's by far the largest, there are other groups/unions. It has no REAL bearing on what jobs you can hold or apply for.

Oh yeah, Toy Soldieretta is a nurse, isn't she?

Regardless of how much weight the organisation investigating her carries, it's a bit ridiculous she's being dragged over the coals for something like this.

[LeatherTrumpet]

I would wager they are not "investigating" anything

They WILL be trying to see if the persons at the top will get the BLAME for this

its all lies and self-interest

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I would wager they are not "investigating" anything

They WILL be trying to see if the persons at the top will get the BLAME for this

its all lies and self-interest

Well yes they'll be trying to figure out whether it's more damaging to be seen to "let it slide", or be seen to "be heavy-handed"... and that's what they'll care about: the balance of what will sell better to their membership (if it is indeed an entity with voluntary membership).

Most likely middle-ground scenario is that they'll "ask" her not to do anything similar in future. Technically, medical professionals are supposed to keep personal politics out of their work, but on this occasion it's not clear that she in any way to her actual work or displayed it in a way that could cause reputational damage to the profession... and on the topic overall, it's a complicated one, as the trans rights debate actually does have direct professional implications for healthcare professionals so there does have to be some debate "allowed" even in a professional setting. That said, "I love JK" billboards wouldn't really fall under the heading of academic debate.

[bitontheslide]

canada is very progressive regarding trans rights etc, and this is a gigantic pop at that because of the uproar against jk rowling, so its aimed to create controversy, it's much bigger than jk rowling. It will certainly have pissed off a sizeable chunk of the population and it could be argued that interferes with her ability to do her job treating everyone fairly by their medical needs

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

canada is very progressive regarding trans rights etc, and this is a gigantic pop at that because of the uproar against jk rowling, so its aimed to create controversy, it's much bigger than jk rowling. It will certainly have pissed off a sizeable chunk of the population and it could be argued that interferes with her ability to do her job treating everyone fairly by their medical needs

Progressive for trans rights/regressive for women's, tamayto/tomato

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Progressive for trans rights/regressive for women's, tamayto/tomato

absolutely, you know what my views are, but a big sign like that was always going to stir things up. Personally, i think they should have stuck to the main issue rather than it being a veiled pop

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

absolutely, you know what my views are, but a big sign like that was always going to stir things up. Personally, i think they should have stuck to the main issue rather than it being a veiled pop

Yeah, I agree with that (unless she's just a massive Harry Potter fan or something )

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

absolutely, you know what my views are, but a big sign like that was always going to stir things up. Personally, i think they should have stuck to the main issue rather than it being a veiled pop

Yeah this is what I mean really, it is a very relevant, contentious and current issue in nursing but it's vital that the debate stays respectful and professional. "Invoking JK Rowling" is a clear dogwhistle and it's intended to rile up a fight rather than start a debate... which isn't productive for the actual healthcare issues that need hammering out (somehow).

[arista]

JK now getting Death Threats
again.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by arista

JK now getting Death Threats
again.

I don't think it phases her at this point. Although that doesn't make it any more acceptable.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I don't think it phases her at this point. Although that doesn't make it any more acceptable.

One Activist Lesbian
sent a tweet

"I You hope you find Pipe Bomb in your Mail"

[Tom4784]

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[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Usually with these types of stories, there's more to why the person's being investigated but that doesn't get as many clicks.

Maybe but not necessarily, it's more that "being investigated" isn't as "omg" as people like to make out. If someone complains, then they have a duty to investigate, even if there's not much to the claim... it doesn't mean there's anything to investigate, but it's also not "super woke" for them to take the complaint seriously... any complaint should be looked into... then they'll discover if there's merit to the complaint or not. I feel like people think there's some sort of "lesser" stage that it's gone past to become an investigation.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Progressive for trans rights/regressive for women's, tamayto/tomato

What an odd outlook

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Liam-

What an odd outlook

Not as things currently stand, unfortunately.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Liam-

What an odd outlook

How is it odd to think that being forced to give up women-only spaces and sports is regressive for women's rights?

[Tom4784]

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[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Elliot

White women complex: stir **** and create mess. Said mess gets expected backlash. Instead of taking accountability or taking it on the chin, get to crying, playing the victim, run to the papers

usually you have a lot of good posts on here



but this one, ew i wish you left the sexism and racism out



but the ''playing the victim'' part, lets wait what the outcome of that investigation is

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Elliot

White women complex: stir **** and create mess. Said mess gets expected backlash. Instead of taking accountability or taking it on the chin, get to crying, playing the victim, run to the papers

Fact this post remains shows the moderation bias on this forum


Absolutely disgusting.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Sexism and racism, nice

Do your bloody job then.

[Toy Soldier]

Personally, -isms aside I have no idea how Elliot isn’t building up infractions simply for spamming/baiting because it’s constant in these threads. Come on in, huff out a stock hive-approved comment, disappear when challenged. Can we have some sort of rule against this Chat & Games shenanigans creeping into SD? I’m not saying this place is highbrow academic debate but can people who aren’t here for ANY sort of discussion not just **** off?