[LeatherTrumpet]

Fury over killer's 'outrageous' sentence of less than five years for fatally
choking mother-of-two, 33, then claiming he did it during consensual rough sex

• Sam Pybus, 31, admitted killing Sophie Moss, 33, in Darlington in February
• Miss Moss was taken to hospital but was pronounced dead a short time later
• Pybus was charged with murder but plead not guilty, which was accepted
• Instead, he admitted 'unlawful killing' and pleaded guilty to manslaughter

Sam Pybus, 32, killed mother-of-two Sophie Moss cheating on his wife after
drinking 24 bottles of lager.

He reported her death in her home in Darlington, Co Durham, himself at a
police station and told investigators the choking had been consensual.


But after he denied murder at court the CPS accepted his admittance of
manslaughter - despite the 'rough sex defence' being banned in April last
year.

Miss Moss, 33, who was mother to boys aged just six and five, was described
as vulnerable by the court and was someone who had struggled with her
mental health in the past.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...our-years.html

So out in 2 years ?

[Toy Soldier]

Bull****, he's panicked that she might tell his wife and murdered her. Sentencing for these things is an absolute joke - if they need to free up prison space, focus on non-violent crime and keep these people where they belong. I've seen addicts get 2 years for repeated shoplifting or for minor assaults (i.e. mutually fighting each other in the street) - how about stop putting those people in prison and get them actual help in the community, and free up plenty of cell space for handing out proper sentences to blatant murderers.

[Oliver_W]

Some people do like being choked during sex, and I'm gonna go out on a limb and say some people do die as a result of it...

If it was something he did frequently with his girlfriend (and wife) then it's plausible it was an accident.

Should someone face a murder charge for an accident? Reckless drivers aren't murderers.

[Niamh.]

All you have to say is it was a consensual sex game gone wrong and they lap it up.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Some people do like being choked during sex, and I'm gonna go out on a limb and say some people do die as a result of it...

If it was something he did frequently with his girlfriend (and wife) then it's plausible it was an accident.

Should someone face a murder charge for an accident? Reckless drivers aren't murderers.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say most women don't like being choked during sex or any other time, porn isn't real life

***Not that I believe his version of events anyway

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Some people do like being choked during sex, and I'm gonna go out on a limb and say some people do die as a result of it...

If it was something he did frequently with his girlfriend (and wife) then it's plausible it was an accident.

Should someone face a murder charge for an accident? Reckless drivers aren't murderers.

Garbage.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say most women don't like being choked during sex or any other time, porn isn't real life

Some do

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Garbage.

Shirley Manson

[Tom4784]

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[AnnieK]

To actually kill someone by choking takes some strength and time....she would have struggled and then stopped as she lost consciousness and he will have still had to continue until death occurred. No way is that an "accident". I would imagine TS is not far off from the mark - possibly worried his wife may find out and wanted to ensure that didn't happen.

Even if it were an accident - his actions have taken a mother from her children and he needs to pay for that.

The sentence is a joke.

[LeatherTrumpet]

If it was an accident you dont sit in the car for 15 whole minutes wondering to call the ambulance who may have been able to save her

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

Even if it were an accident - his actions have taken a mother from her children and he needs to pay for that.

The sentence is a joke.

Oh absolutely. Even if he's not a murderer, he should be locked up for longer than his current sentence.

[Marsh.]

Yeah, take his word for it that it was consensual rough sex. Not like the woman is here to verify that for herself.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Even if someone does like being choked, there's a difference between BDSM and choking someone to death. I don't think you could accidentally choke someone to death with your own hands, there has to be intent there.

Yeah, like if it was BDSM, he would have stopped at some point when she would have began to struggle.

You don't choke someone and only realise something's wrong after you've killed them.

[Toy Soldier]

It's a dangerous practice regardless and even if we do accept the premise that some people like it (which is much, much rarer than is made out) it's not a good idea. But the reason it's not a good idea is mostly the risk of having a seizure or stroke because of restricted bloodflow. To actually choke someone until they're dead means it's either been continued after they passed out completely, or it was so hard their windpipe was crushed. I'd go as far as to say that 99.9% of these "accidents" are simply not accidents at all.

[arista]

[despite the 'rough sex defence' being banned in April last
year.]


Maybe the Judge is into that?

[hijaxers]

Originally Posted by arista

[despite the 'rough sex defence' being banned in April last
year.]


Maybe the Judge is into that?

Well that wouldn't be a suprise at all

[Ashley.]

It's easy to plead "it was consensual!" when the victim is no longer alive to say otherwise. Choking someone to death takes a lot of force and a considerable amount of time. This was not an 'unfortunate accident' in the slightest.

[smudgie]

24 bottles of lager, he may have not been up to the job, she laughed and he strangled her.
Whatever did happen, the crime deserves more time.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

It's a dangerous practice regardless and even if we do accept the premise that some people like it (which is much, much rarer than is made out) it's not a good idea. But the reason it's not a good idea is mostly the risk of having a seizure or stroke because of restricted bloodflow. To actually choke someone until they're dead means it's either been continued after they passed out completely, or it was so hard their windpipe was crushed. I'd go as far as to say that 99.9% of these "accidents" are simply not accidents at all.

People DO enjoy being choked during sex.

Common sense tells you that if the recipient is struggling with it to stop though.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

People DO enjoy being choked during sex.

Common sense tells you that if the recipient is struggling with it to stop though.

1) Not many people genuinely enjoy it

2) It's risen dramatically in "popularity" (expectation) since it became commonplace in porn.

3) There is no safe way to do it - it is inherently dangerous and dumb. But each to their own if it's genuinely with enthusiastic consent. 99% is not.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

1) Not many people genuinely enjoy it

2) It's risen dramatically in "popularity" (expectation) since it became commonplace in porn.

3) There is no safe way to do it - it is inherently dangerous and dumb. But each to their own if it's genuinely with enthusiastic consent. 99% is not.

I enjoy it

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

I enjoy it

Would you enjoy it if your partner was totally drunk?

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

1) Not many people genuinely enjoy it

2) It's risen dramatically in "popularity" (expectation) since it became commonplace in porn.

3) There is no safe way to do it - it is inherently dangerous and dumb. But each to their own if it's genuinely with enthusiastic consent. 99% is not.

1) Agree. There are many who claim to enjoy it but I doubt they actually do. See part 3)

2) No doubt, but Porn is for men not women so not surprising. Any woman who is prepared to do the humiliating things that todays porn actress does?....Seek help. Pornhub actresses are well paid to do this stuff anyone who does it for free

3) from Part 1). It has to be a completely controlled environment to be, at all, enjoyable. A scene Where the people are comfortable and happy that the right amount of pressure is to be applied, there are clear stop signals etc. There are too many things that can go wrong.

So throw the book at this creep. He lost control and killed her so must pay the price. She has paid the price with her life..

[LeatherTrumpet]

Totally agree

[AnnieK]

There is a huge difference from enjoying choking / being choked to what has happened here...

No consensual relationship would allow choking to go beyond sexual gratification to struggle, then unconsciousness and finally death.

This is not am accident....