[arista]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

So instead of blaming the government, blame the opposition, for failing to get a heartless, corrupt government out of power while they strip the country to bare bones ... that's certainly one way to look at it .

Look, they could have got into power
they made stupid mistakes.

Unelected Brown refused to have an general election.
He Got Spooked

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by arista

nearly 15 years

Yes SB
Blame New Labour Gordon Stupid Brown

And Communist Corbyn

Both UnElected by our public


Labour FAILED

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

Look, they could have got into power
they made stupid mistakes.

Unelected Brown refused to have an general election.
He Got Spooked

Unelected Brown.

Who has elected Sunak???
The Cons didn't even complete their own electoral process with him.

Plus 2 changes of leader and PM in less than one full term of governnent since 2019.

It's okay though when the Cons abuse electoral processes.
Typical.

Why should I even be in the slightest surprised Con hardliners would allow it for them.
Unbelievable arrogance.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Unelected Brown.

Who has selected Sunak???
The Cons didn't even complete their own electoral process with him.

Plus 2 changes of leader and PM in less than one full term of governnent since 2019.

It's okay though when the Cons abuse electoral processes.
Typical.

Why should I even be in the slightest surprised Con hardliners would allow it for them.
Unbelievable arrogance.

They sneakily recently passed a new law allowing way more money into elections, so there is just going to be a ton of tory bigotry in the next election cycle.

it's going ot be hostels, boats, and trans people on repeat for weeks.

[arista]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Unelected Brown.

Who has elected Sunak???
The Cons didn't even complete their own electoral process with him.

Plus 2 changes of leader and PM in less than one full term of governnent since 2019.

It's okay though when the Cons abuse electoral processes.
Typical.

Why should I even be in the slightest surprised Con hardliners would allow it for them.
Unbelievable arrogance.

He has only had power for a year.

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[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

He has only had power for a year.

WHO elected him?? I asked.
Plus it will be likely over 2 years he'll have had power by the time he DARES to hold an election .

The vote for Con leader didn't even go to the final stages that put him in as leader.

Plus he's the 2nd change in power of PM by the Cons in 3 years.
NO party has done that in government.

So WHO has elected Sunak?
Defend him all you like but you can't really criticise Brown while defending Sunak.
Although obviously you will.

When Blair stood down after 10 years, Brown was the only candidate who came forward for leader.
For that ONE ONLY change of leader in government.

Unlike this deceitful shocking lot of CONS.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by arista

Unelected Brown refused to have an general election.
He Got Spooked

All PMs are unelected, bro.

[bitontheslide]

people don't vote for a prime minister, they vote for a local mp. Thats our democracy.

The PM is usually the leader of the main party in government, but it doesn't have to be. There is no public democratic method of choosing a PM, so talk of not having a mandate is just not applicable. Thats the way it's always been and it would be exactly the same with proportional representation too

[arista]

"WHO elected him"

Yes Joey
no one has elected Sunak.

Same as New Labours Brown

[arista]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

people don't vote for a prime minister, they vote for a local mp. Thats our democracy.

The PM is usually the leader of the main party in government, but it doesn't have to be. There is no public democratic method of choosing a PM, so talk of not having a mandate is just not applicable. Thats the way it's always been and it would be exactly the same with proportional representation too

Yes that's how a PM gets officially Elected Like Johnson, did.

[Soldier Boy]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

people don't vote for a prime minister, they vote for a local mp. Thats our democracy.

The PM is usually the leader of the main party in government, but it doesn't have to be. There is no public democratic method of choosing a PM, so talk of not having a mandate is just not applicable. Thats the way it's always been and it would be exactly the same with proportional representation too

Yes but the whole "mandate" thing is more of a moral type thing. For example, our democracy is such that referendums (such as Brexit) are also technically meaningless and not in any way binding. We vote for our representatives and trust them to make the decisions, is how it's supposed to work. In practice it doesn't really work that way; the public likes to feel like it has more control than that and so, in the same way that it would have been political suicide to not accept the results of the Brexit referendum (they did NOT have to do so), it's not good politics to continue for too long with a presidential-style Prime Minister who wasn't in charge when the party was voted in.

That's the main part of the issue really. Prime Ministers going back to Thatcher, or even Churchill, have had the flavour of a President whilst being "technically" a Prime Minister. Sunak less so than more obvious examples like Boris or Blair to be fair - he's more Littlefinger-style weasley - but still, it is what it is in the modern world. Yes "technically" they're just head of the ruling party but that's not the aesthetics of modern UK politics... The Prime Minister is the de facto head of state in the eyes of the population and crucially in the eyes of other heads of state.

[bitontheslide]

i like the system because you do have the opportunity to dump the PM if he is crap. If we voted in a president, Boris would still be in power laughing his head off

[Soldier Boy]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i like the system because you do have the opportunity to dump the PM if he is crap. If we voted in a president, Boris would still be in power laughing his head off

In principle yes but when was the last time we dumped a crap PM and got anything more than a pile of old dog sick in return?

[arista]