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29-12-2023, 10:25 PM | #51 | |||
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You do nowt but strawman these days also . I quite plainly even said that yeah tbh I'd get a bit nervous if I saw a Muslim praying on a flight, that it's human nature given past events - so where is the outrage? I simply accept the obvious human psychology of snap reactions being unavoidable, and the clear fact that getting nervous about one religion (specifically) more than others is xenophobic. It just is. As an impartial fact, not even a judgement. |
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29-12-2023, 10:37 PM | #52 | |||
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….and that is the point being made. I don’t believe that anyone on this forum would, even for a split second, feel that way had they seen that on an aircraft prior to take off or after take off. As unfair as it is…it’s human nature and a natural reaction…. |
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29-12-2023, 10:42 PM | #53 | |||
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Yes it is but it is still (by definition) xenophobic ... it's a form of racial profiling. I don't really see the harm in recognising and admitting our prejudices without getting precious about it - not one person on this earth has "no prejudice" and it's pointless to pretend otherwise or to take offense every time it's recognised. In fact I'd go as far as to say that anyone who claims to be 0% racist is either lacking in self-awareness, or simply lying.
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29-12-2023, 11:02 PM | #54 | |||
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29-12-2023, 11:07 PM | #55 | |||
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Seriously though I agree with you that everyone has some form of prejudice towards a particular group, whether it be race, gender, nationality, religion, political opinions etc, nobody can escape it.
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29-12-2023, 11:40 PM | #56 | |||
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No, it’s good you’re acknowledging the difference. Islam is ultimately not a race.
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29-12-2023, 11:50 PM | #57 | |||
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Thanks Redway.
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30-12-2023, 09:30 AM | #58 | |||
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To use the scenario in this thread as an example... Person believes they have no subconscious prejudice - I see a Muslim praying on a plane - I feel uncomfortable with this - I am ABSOLUTELY not a prejudiced or xenophobic person - Thus, my fears must be justified / may be reasonable / sensible. Person 2 acknowledges that they have those subconscious prejudices - I see a Muslim praying on a plane - This makes me uncomfortable - I acknowledge that I have some prejudices based on past major world/news events - I revaluate the situation on what the most likely reason is for them to be praying on a plane - I wonder "is my comfortable feeling actually justified or realistic?" Basically what I'm saying is, believing absolutely that you have no prejudice can actually lead to a more prejudiced outcome. Last edited by Soldier Boy; 30-12-2023 at 09:37 AM. |
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30-12-2023, 10:10 AM | #59 | |||
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…I do think though that it can also be very damaging and exasperating to apply labels …(…at worst…)…and pointless …(…at best…)…because it has such a closing down impact on so many issues that would benefit from more open discussion…anyway, one of the sad things is, which is reflective of a regressive society if you like….(…I suspect…)…if this very same thread/discussion had taken place with the very same people pre 9/11 and pre other terrifying world events that the responses would be different because ‘fear’ would not have been attached to some things in the way it is being referred to in the thread…the ‘prejudice’ that is being applied as a label is not an inherent thing or belief, it’s sadly become and becoming a learned thing attached to fear and yes…encouraged by the media and such the like but that’s also the way of the modern world…I don’t know what the ‘answer’ going forward is because there isn’t one as such, these things have no obvious ‘fixes’….because fear is such a powerful ruler and it’s the thing that is being mentioned most in the thread… people have not ‘developed prejudism’ in their beliefs and behaviours post 911, that surely wouldn’t make sense…what they’ve developed are various fears…and I know and realise that’s being acknowledged also but the labels are still being applied which will in my opinion, only close down and regress further…
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30-12-2023, 10:15 AM | #60 | |||
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I agree that everyone has a natural bias. It just depends on how you treat others… but sometimes you have to take action
Ariana Grande concert for example There were multiple people who were afraid to act because they didn’t want to seem racist and that is a big problem. People are more afraid of accidentally seeming racist (when they weren’t… this guy was a terrorist) than potentially saving lives and that’s where my issue with being seen as offensive comes from
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30-12-2023, 12:41 PM | #61 | |||
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Better to hold up a mirror and highlight something immediately, that has a maybe 2% chance of resonating with someone, than to expect any sort of good-faith discourse. It's just not on the table at all. Last edited by Soldier Boy; 30-12-2023 at 12:42 PM. |
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30-12-2023, 12:43 PM | #62 | |||
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Well put Ammi...so true. |
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30-12-2023, 01:20 PM | #63 | |||
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and that is my point, no one can make a joke about muslim bombers without being called an Islamaphobe? but you are free to say Irish people are thick as a joke and not a word is said ? I dont care you can make jokes about who you like its the hypocrisy that gets me tbh
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30-12-2023, 01:30 PM | #64 | |||
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btw I am sitting in the sun sipping a vino blanco, its great being thick
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30-12-2023, 01:46 PM | #65 | |||
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I don't think you're thick but you don't half just... make stuff up to support your argument... imaginary stuff that hasn't actually been said by anyone. Maybe a bit less day drinking would help . |
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30-12-2023, 01:58 PM | #66 | |||
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30-12-2023, 02:05 PM | #67 | |||
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or making jokes about Prophet Muhammad in the Danish and French cartoons
and then acting shocked they become victims of terror attacks or Theo van Gogh whom made snuff films with a muslim actress Ayaan Hirsi Ali without her headscarf, also was kinda offensive to their culture, which got him killed (not just that but also being a racist towards muslims in the media)
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30-12-2023, 02:14 PM | #68 | ||
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Of course I can make a joke about a Muslim being a bomber because I’m someone that doesn’t associate someone praying on a plane being a bomber Would making a joke in this thread go down well ?, well some would enjoy it but as the Irish jokes in this thread has shown you think I’m using them to dig at you . I’m not by the way. I’m happy you are enjoying yourself unfortunately my brother in-laws dad has just died so we are not having a great time But life is taking the good with the bad |
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30-12-2023, 02:20 PM | #69 | |||
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30-12-2023, 02:31 PM | #70 | |||
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Like mayyyybe the terrorists are the problem here. Idk just a guess
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30-12-2023, 02:49 PM | #71 | |||
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30-12-2023, 03:40 PM | #72 | |||
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Thank you Rusti I intend to, you never know when life will take a turn for the worst
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30-12-2023, 03:41 PM | #73 | |||
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insulting the islamic religion ain't stuff to joke about honestly
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30-12-2023, 03:42 PM | #74 | |||
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30-12-2023, 03:47 PM | #75 | |||
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are people also against Cat Stevens then for converting to muslim?
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