[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

what did the man do to get arrested initially?

That actually has no bearing on anything if he was shot whilest restrained They are not supposed to be the Executioners

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

That actually has no bearing on anything if he was shot whilest restrained They are not supposed to be the Executioners

Well it does as I want to know what he did to get arrested and had he been arrested before

If he was a dangerous thug with a gun in his pocket then it has a huge bearing

baton rouge is open carry

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Well it does as I want to know what he did to get arrested and had he been arrested before

If he was a dangerous thug with a gun in his pocket then it has a huge bearing

baton rouge is open carry

It has zero bearing on anything if the man was restrained

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

It has zero bearing on anything if the man was restrained

he wasnt his hands were not cuffed i dont think

[LeatherTrumpet]

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=396_1467864290

here is another video without context or law for the internet to be judge and jury about

WARNING GRAPHIC


A woman whose boyfriend was fatally shot by a Minnesota police officer during a routine traffic stop brought the shooting immediate national attention after she live-streamed the graphic aftermath on Facebook Live.

Lavish Reynolds was in the passenger seat when her boyfriend, 32-year-old Philando Castile, was shot multiple times by a police officer in Falcon Heights, Minnesota.

[Niamh.]

I don't think I want to watch that tbh :/

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I don't think I want to watch that tbh :/

That ones looks pretty bad for da police but the woman filming it has a very unusual attitude to her dying bf

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

That ones looks pretty bad for da police but the woman filming it has a very unusual attitude to her dying bf

Well, I guess she was making sure she had some evidence otherwise, no doubt excuses would be made for why it was his fault?

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Well, I guess she was making sure she had some evidence otherwise, no doubt excuses would be made for why it was his fault?

perhaps I guess its hard to second guess the situation as it it is so extreme



Its the price you pay for having armed cops and armed citizens I am afraid

get your shot in first

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

That ones looks pretty bad for da police but the woman filming it has a very unusual attitude to her dying bf

She did it to ensure she could get some justice, what else could she do? If she didn't film it, the victim would be discredited to excuse the police officers, kind of like what you're doing to this woman because she dared to film police misconduct.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

perhaps I guess its hard to second guess the situation as it it is so extreme



Its the price you pay for having armed cops and armed citizens I am afraid

get your shot in first

Protect and Serve becomes Shoot before you're shot

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Protect and Serve becomes Shoot before you're shot

Very difficult in high crime areas not to defend yourself first

when every traffic stop can potentially lead to a perp pulling a gun on you that changes everything

I have every sympathy for the police and the job they do

[LeatherTrumpet]

The public want perfection from the police but do not lay the blame at the scum crims who keep committing crimes and shooting people

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Very difficult in high crime areas not to defend yourself first

when every traffic stop can potentially lead to a perp pulling a gun on you that changes everything

I have every sympathy for the police and the job they do

They should probably stop asking to see peoples Drivers Licenses then if they're that jumpy

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

They should probably stop asking to see peoples Drivers Licenses then if they're that jumpy

I never get why they insist the perps stay in the car unlike in the UK?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I never get why they insist the perps stay in the car unlike in the UK?

maybe they need better training. This is what I'm getting from seeing alot of those stories, it's the same with their fire service (no disrespect to them of course) but Gav is a firefighter and in their training they often look at other countries Fire service/incidents etc and he said that there's alot less safety measures with the American Fire service and it's very "gung ho" compared to here or the UK, seems like maybe a similar attitude comes with the Police service?

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

The public want perfection from the police but do not lay the blame at the scum crims who keep committing crimes and shooting people

They had a back light out on their car.....not exactly the crime of the century or worth the title of scum crim

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

They had a back light out on their car.....not exactly the crime of the century or worth the title of scum crim

i was not referring to this case as we have no details about it other than a video made by that woman

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Very difficult in high crime areas not to defend yourself first

when every traffic stop can potentially lead to a perp pulling a gun on you that changes everything

I have every sympathy for the police and the job they do

And do you also have sympathy for the innocent men who were shot? Do you have sympathy for their families and those who witnessed these executions?

How can you watch those videos and not be sickened?

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

And do you also have sympathy for the innocent men who were shot? Do you have sympathy for their families and those who witnessed these executions?

How can you watch those videos and not be sickened?

because im old enough to realise that videos can be highly misleading and do not give the whole picture. That is why we have courts and justice - to avoid mob justice/hysteria

[Macie Lightfoot]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

They should probably stop asking to see peoples Drivers Licenses then if they're that jumpy

or you just shouldn't be a police officer for a town if you're afraid of most of its inhabitants

[Niamh.]

Just reading a bit more on that second story LT posted, the guy that was shots 4 year old daughter was in the car and saw it all too, poor kid

[LeatherTrumpet]

"According to The Advocate, a warrant had been issued for Sterling’s arrest in 2015 after he failed to register as a sex offender for charges dating back to 2000. He also spent five years in prison beginning in 2009 for drug-related crimes.!"

SO the cops had every right to be very wary about this man and the fact he was armed

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

"According to The Advocate, a warrant had been issued for Sterling’s arrest in 2015 after he failed to register as a sex offender for charges dating back to 2000. He also spent five years in prison beginning in 2009 for drug-related crimes.!"

SO the cops had every right to be very wary about this man and the fact he was armed

When does "wary" become "shoot him lots just incase"? The police are supposed to stay cool, rational and professional in these situations... That is what they are paid for and - importantly - that is what they signed up to be. We're not talking about a civilian protecting himself or his family... Being a police officer is a job that has certain inherent risks when it comes to doing it properly and those risk are accepted by implication when someone chooses the job. "Yeah I signed up but I'm going to be on the super-safe side and shoot first ask questions later just incase" is not a valid defense here.

Neither is "but he was a bad guy anyway", to be clear. Laying down justice is, as you are so fond of saying, up to a court of law. No one should be advocating judge dredd style trigger happy cops where anything goes so long as the victims are "baddies", it is a terrible idea.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Alton Sterling wasn't even the person they were called to the scene about in the first place