Formula 1 - Archive Thread

[pinkmichk]

ok they just deployed sc but i think it is gonna be red flagged its crazy weather

[Spike]

Red flag, that rain looks so bad

[pinkmichk]

i dont think i have seen weather conditions that bad before :shocked: they need paddles and oars out there

[Spike]

Yeah its the worst its been in recent years that I can remember
I don't think the race will be restarted

[pinkmichk]

no i dont think it will even if they do its gonna have to be sc anyway cos there is gonna be so much standing water
plus i dont agree with the later start times

[pinkmichk]

no race re start i am glad about that cos it wouldnt have been much cos of sc

[arista]

53mins wait for the End.


Button gets the Win.

[pinkmichk]

it was a good race til the heavens opened i thought the rain would come a lot earlier
i for 1 am not bothered by the 53 minutes between red flag and no restart decision

[arista]

They can not drive in the heavy rain
so yes no other way around it.

[Spike]

Entertaining but dissapointing race
Good win for Button

[James]

Missed the start of the Grand Prix again :s . I need to watch the replay.

Good day of motorsport today, the British touring cars are back on ITV 4.

[pinkmichk]

what time james?
i hope next yr they start it earlier sure someone said that the last 4 races there have all had rain at that time

[Iceman]

I feel a bit sorry for button only getting 5 points and when the camera went to Kimi that was hilarious, he's stood there eating an ice cream in flip flops, shorts and a t-shirt! Dissapointing again for Mclaren and Ferrari, no points for Ferrari and just the one for Mclaren

[James]

Originally posted by pinkmichk
what time james?
i hope next yr they start it earlier sure someone said that the last 4 races there have all had rain at that time

There's highlights on BBC 3 at 7:00 pm. Think there is a replay on iPlayer also.

First race in touring cars was action packed.

[BigSister]

I got a bit confused when I got back in the car(Went to scatter my grandadas ashes this morning so only saw the first 20 mins then had to set off). Then i checked on my phone and it all made sense
Never heard that done before though halving the points

[Iceman]

They said the last time it happened with the points was 1984, 4 years before my time so i don't remember, Brawn cars looked excellent in the rain considering it was the first time they've both drove them in the rain!

[pinkmichk]

cheers will catch it on bbc3 later
i found kimi in his shorts eating a icecream made even more humourous by when someone spoke to someone from ferrai who obviously had no idea that kimi had decided to retire and did think he would be back in car should it restart and the other comedy moment rob smeddley (i guess) saying felippe baby calm down :laugh3:

[ange7]

wooo hooo ... webber didn't crash out and came in 6th!

[Wildcat!]

Why coulndt they jus postpone the race or something? that was really stupid. Especially given that it was in the middle of people makin their pit stops. It makes no sense.

[ange7]

conditions were pretty dangerous, monsoonal rain plus low light.... they were right to suspend it and see if the rain cleared. As far as postponing it... the logistics of organising a race day are huge and costly... they got 32 laps in so I guess they figured that was enough. I liked watching Glock's run on intermediates plus Webber and Hamilton's battle. Shame it ended like that.

[Iceman]

Yeah Felipe baby calm down, were getting you a clear visor:joker::joker:

Also when they interviewed Hamilton and they were like 7th place, he goes 5th wasn't it? Then they're like no 7th, the sheer disappointment and comedic element on his face!

[Iceman]

McLaren called to WMSC by the FIA The FIA has released the following statement:

"Vodafone McLaren Mercedes has been invited to appear before an extraordinary meeting of the FIA World Motor Sport Council in Paris on Wednesday, 29 April, 2009, to answer charges that, in breach of Article 151c of the International Sporting Code, it

- on 29 March, 2009, told the stewards of the Australian Grand Prix that no instructions were given to Hamilton in Car No. 1 to allow Trulli in Car no. 9 to pass when both cars were behind the safety car, knowing this statement to be untrue;

- procured its driver Hamilton the current World Champion, to support and confirm this untrue statement to the stewards;

- although knowing that as a direct result of its untrue statement to the stewards, another driver and a rival team had been unfairly penalised, made no attempt to rectify the situation either by contacting the FIA or otherwise;

- on 2 April, 2009, at a second hearing before the stewards of the Australian Grand Prix, (meeting in Malaysia) made no attempt to correct the untrue statement of 29 March but, on the contrary, continued to maintain that the statement was true, despite being allowed to listen to a recording of the team instructing Hamilton to let Trulli past and despite being given more than one opportunity to correct its false statement;

- on 2 April, 2009, at the second stewards' hearing, procured its driver Hamilton to continue to assert the truth of the false statement given to the stewards on 29 March, while knowing that what he was saying to the stewards was not true."

In response, McLaren issued the following press release:
"McLaren acknowledges receipt of an invitation to appear at an FIA World Motor Sport Council meeting in Paris on April 29, received this afternoon. We undertake to co-operate fully with all WMSC processes, and welcome the opportunity to work with the FIA in the best interests of Formula 1.

"This afternoon McLaren and its former sporting director, Dave Ryan, have formally parted company. As a result, he is no longer an employee of any of the constituent companies of the McLaren Group."

Source: www.f1.com

[James]

Here's the F1 Manager league, points combined, not counting 1st race...



League name - TiBB
1 Safety Car 0 104 104
2 pinkmichk 0 61 61
3 J-F1 0 59 59


http://www.f1manager.info/index.php

[James]

Brawn, Toyota and Williams diffusers ruled legal.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/74475

[Jen]

Originally posted by James
Brawn, Toyota and Williams diffusers ruled legal.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/74475

Thank God.

[Spike]

No surprise to me that the diffusers were ruled legal
Brawn GP look strong again in practice 1+2 in China, hopefully Button will get another win on Sunday

[James]

Vettel in pole, then Alonso and Webber. Brawns in 4th and 5th.

[andyman]

What time (GMT) is the race?

[James]

I think it is 8:00 am British time.

[James]

It's raining in Shanghai.

[andyman]

Thanks. :dance:

Hope the rain aint too bad.. :cloud:

[ange7]

come one webber!!... I predict after turn one he'll move from 3rd to 10th after hitting (insert name here) which will result in ( insert mechanical failure here) which will be used and an excuse for ramming ( insert another unlucky driver here) on turn 2. Go Webber!

[Wildcat!]

Woke up early for once to watch the race. Looks nice, and rainy!

[Wildcat!]

:sad::sad::sad:
this sucks!

[ange7]

Originally posted by Aint_mad_atcha
:sad::sad::sad:
this sucks!
nah ..pretty interesting race... lots of passing and now cars are starting to push. ....( dam yellow flag)

[Wildcat!]

I posted that in the beginning of the race. I am liking it now. But Kubica is way behind.

[James]

Nice victory from Vettel there. He didn't put a wheel wrong.

It's good to see a bit of competition for the Brawns.

[James]

Bahrain GP qualifying this weekend.

Don't know if anyone is still interested but here's the F1 fantasy league thing latest, combined scores - first not round counting...

pinkmichk 203
J-F1 186
Safety Car 170

I made some replacements...

"Your first driver has been replaced from K. Nakajima to S. Vettel.
Your chassis has been replaced from Red Bull to Brawn GP.
Your engine has been replaced from Toyota (Wil) to Renault (RB)."

[Novo]

Qualifying Starts At 11.10 Later on

[pinkmichk]

last weeks race was good
what time is race is our time tomorrow

[Spike]

Originally posted by pinkmichk
last weeks race was good
what time is race is our time tomorrow

Coverage on BBC1 starts at 12.10pm tomorrow

[pinkmichk]

excellent thank you

[Wildcat!]

Looking forward to this race.

[pinkmichk]

i am looking forward to it but just realised i will miss the end cos taking my little miss to her friends birthday party:bored: *gutted*

[Wildcat!]

Aw, thats unfortunate. Well I think there is a repeat later.

[ange7]

Love these series with no clear number 1.
race 1 Brawn 1 ,2
2nd race redbull 1 ,2
today's race toyota 1 ,2?

awww how about webber? 2nd last thanks to ******ing force india lol, at least Sutil went over and said sorry. Should be a great race...20 mins to go

[ange7]

Originally posted by pinkmichk
i am looking forward to it but just realised i will miss the end cos taking my little miss to her friends birthday party:bored: *gutted*
lol ... tape it ... or have you chucked the old school vcr?

[pinkmichk]

lol i have a vcr but no blank tapes anyone know what time/channel repeat is on later

[Wildcat!]

Not sureabout the whole race, but there is a summary on BBC2 at 7.
Kubica is going one stop. Lets hope he can have a good race for once!

[Wildcat!]

nice start!

Oh man Kubica pitted already :sad:

[pinkmichk]

theres a suprise nakajima involved again:rolleyes: accident prone is a understatement where he is concerned

[Wildcat!]

Them toyota's are gone. I feel bad for Vettel. He seems faster than Hamilton, but cant get around him yet.

[Nurse57]

Pinkmichk, there is commentry on 5Live if you are driving.

[pinkmichk]

i dont drive :sad: i'm only gonna miss the last half hour

[Wildcat!]

What happened? I missed the toyoyas. Did they pit?

[ange7]

yep

[Wildcat!]

Theyve been leapfroged already.

[ange7]

lol poor Barrichello

[pinkmichk]

did i hear that right that if nelson piquet doesnt do good in the next couple of races he will be replaced by turkey can they do that part way through a season

[Wildcat!]

Yeah they can! They always have a test driver waiting, in case someone doesnt perform, or gets injured. So the team will keep the points Piquet might have picked up, but the new driver of course starts with 0 points.

[Wildcat!]

A Ferrari being lapped! thats unbelievable.

[pinkmichk]

oh right cheers didnt know that
reckon they could replace both ferrais then:joker: i cant believe how bad a start they have had although second half of last season they werent great

[ange7]

lol @ bmw's 19 - 20

[Wildcat!]

:sad::sad:

[ange7]

hmmm not many close battles there but still a good race. Webber up to 11th from last.

[Spike]

Not a brilliant race but still a good win for Button
Ferrari still have nothing to shout about but that will probably all change as we go into Europe in 2 weeks time

[ange7]

Spain in 19 hrs ... :(
Button has pole again

Jenson Button Brawn-Mercedes
Sebastian Vettel RBR-Renault
Rubens Barrichello Brawn-Mercedes
Felipe Massa Ferrari
Mark Webber RBR-Renault

[pinkmichk]

am looking forward to this race i've been out all day so dont know where the mclarens are on grid

[James]

The macs are down in 14th (LH) and 18th (Kova).

[Spike]

I was expecting a very different qualifying result today.
Great pole for Button and hopefully he will do well tomorrow
I think Massa and Alonso will be the ones who may surprise tomorrow though

[Iceman]

Hopefully Massa will do well, it's needed at Ferrari!

[Wildcat!]

Ferrari messed up with Raikonnen. They only let him go out once in the 1st qualifying round, and he didnt make the top 15. They thought it would be enough. Huge mistake.

[Iceman]

Yeah AMA I know, i think he could have been really competitive this weekend, he may fight for a top 10, lewis seems strong though i think he has the heaviest fuel load!

[Wildcat!]

Yeah I think so! I was expecting Rosberg and NAkajima to be amongst the top 4 or 5, because of how they did friday, but obviously, I was wrong!

[Iceman]

I think tomorrows race will be good although unfortunately i think their will be a crash at the first corner massa into the back of button!

[James]

Originally posted by Iceman
Yeah AMA I know, i think he could have been really competitive this weekend, he may fight for a top 10, lewis seems strong though i think he has the heaviest fuel load!

I think the drivers outside the top-ten can put in as much fuel as they want before the race.

The weights...


Below is the weight of each car following qualifying for the Spanish Grand Prix, sorted by qualifying position.

Pos Driver Team Weight (kg)
1. Jenson Button Brawn Mercedes 646.0
2. Sebastian Vettel RBR Renault 651.5
3. Rubens Barrichello Brawn Mercedes 649.5
4. Felipe Massa Ferrari 655.0
5. Mark Webber RBR Renault 651.5
6. Timo Glock Toyota 646.5
7. Jarno Trulli Toyota 655.5
8. Fernando Alonso Renault 645.0
9. Nico Rosberg Williams Toyota 668.0
10. Robert Kubica BMW Sauber 660.0
11. Kazuki Nakajima Williams Toyota 676.6*
12. Nelson Piquet Renault 677.4*
13. Nick Heidfeld BMW Sauber 676.3*
14. Lewis Hamilton McLaren Mercedes 683.0*
15. Sébastien Buemi STR Ferrari 678.0*
16. Kimi Räikkönen Ferrari 673.0*
17. Sébastien Bourdais STR Ferrari 669.0*
18. Heikki Kovalainen McLaren Mercedes 657.0*
19. Adrian Sutil Force India Mercedes 675.0*
20. Giancarlo Fisichella Force India Mercedes 656.0*

* declared weight


Massa will have the advantage at the start because he has the KERS boost.

[pinkmichk]

:bored: that person they filmed its bad enough that he was allowed in looking like that but i think its just as bad bbc give him air time i hope its not gonna be a repeat of the attacks on lewis at spain

[Wildcat!]

Whats the deal with the turbo ferrari they are talking about?

[ange7]

aww here we go!
who thinks this is where Ferrari makes their comeback?

[Wildcat!]

Did Hamilton end up in last place there?

[ange7]

****** hehe

[pinkmichk]

blimey that crash :shocked:

[ange7]

looked like Rosberg squeezed Trulli into the gravel and then Trulli lost it and ended up sideways in the middle of the track.

[ange7]

alonso v webber .... wow

[Iceman]

Ferrari confirmed today that if a budget cap is brought in next year they won't enter into the 2010 championship. I know a budget cap will make it fairer for other teams but F1 without Ferrari isn't F1.


EDIT:

Ferrari release statement following board meeting After a meeting of its board of directors in Italy on Tuesday, Ferrari released the following statement:

“Maranello 12 May 2009 - Ferrari’s Board of Directors, chaired by Luca di Montezemolo, today analysed the first quarter results for 2009. Despite the current international economic climate, which has hit the automotive sector in particular, Ferrari’s figures were in line with the record levels reached in 2008. Turnover for the first three months was 441 million euro compared to 455.7 million euro over the same period in 2008. The first quarter closed with a trading profit of 54 million euro compared to last year’s 59 million euro.

“These results reflect the introduction of new models, in particular the success of the Ferrari California and the Scuderia Spider 16M, the constant growth in activities linked to the brand (e-commerce, licensing, merchandising and retail) and the company’s continuing efforts to maximise efficiency.

“The Board of Directors also examined developments related to recent decisions taken by the Federation Internationale de l’Automobile during an extraordinary meeting of the World Motor Sport Council on 29 April 2009. Although this meeting was originally called only to examine a disciplinary matter, the decisions taken mean that, for the first time ever in Formula One, the 2010 season will see the introduction of two different sets of regulations based on arbitrary technical rules and economic parameters.

“The Board considers that if this is the regulatory framework for Formula One in the future, then the reasons underlying Ferrari’s uninterrupted participation in the World Championship over the last 60 years - the only constructor to have taken part ever since its inception in 1950 - would come to a close.

“The Board also expressed its disappointment about the methods adopted by the FIA in taking decisions of such a serious nature and its refusal to effectively reach an understanding with constructors and teams. The rules of governance that have contributed to the development of Formula One over the last 25 years have been disregarded, as have the binding contractual obligations between Ferrari and the FIA itself regarding the stability of the regulations. The same rules for all teams, stability of regulations, the continuity of the FOTA’s endeavours to methodically and progressively reduce costs, and governance of Formula One are the priorities for the future. If these indispensable principles are not respected and if the regulations adopted for 2010 will not change, then Ferrari does not intend to enter its cars in the next Formula One World Championship.

“Ferrari trusts that its many fans worldwide will understand that this difficult decision is coherent with the Scuderia’s approach to motor sport and to Formula One in particular, always seeking to promote its sporting and technical values. The Chairman of the Board of Directors was mandated to evaluate the most suitable ways and methods to protect the company’s interests.”

[James]

Renault say they will leave also if the proposals go through.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8048112.stm

I agree that F1 wouldn't be the same without Ferrari but I don't really see what alternative series they could go to. It says in the link above that they could 'set up a rival series, compete in the United States, or enter cars in the Le Mans 24 hour race.'

Single-seater racing isn't a big sport in the US so I don't think that would match their ambition and there are already Ferraris at Le Mans (GT cars).

I suppose the real threat is they could start a breakaway series. I hope it is all just bluffing.

[Wildcat!]

That would be crazy!

[Iceman]

FERRARI have applied to a French court for an injunction against proposed changes in Formula One.
The Italian team this week threatened to withdraw at the end of this season unless revisions are made to the new regulations.

Central to the argument is the claim that an optional £40million budget cap to be imposed for next year could create a two-tier F1.

Ferrari officials and other team bosses met then with FIA president Max Mosley and F1 chief Bernie Ecclestone today to discuss the current crisis.

Speaking after the crunch talks, Mosley said: "During the meeting it became apparent that Ferrari have made an application to the French courts to apply for an injunction to stop us doing what we want to do.

“It was a friendly meeting but the teams have gone off to see if they can come up with something better than the cost cap."



Looks like this is going to get ugly fast!

[andyman]

This season i aint lovin.. Me no like!

This would never happen in football, "Man Utd, Chelsea, Liverpool... Erm, you can only spend £5m this summer, enjoy!".. NO!!!

[Iceman]

French court rules against Ferrari in FIA case.

A French court has dismissed a legal bid from Ferrari to prevent Formula One racing’s governing body, the FIA, from introducing new rules for the 2010 season.

Ferrari have objected to FIA plans to give increased levels of technical freedom to teams accepting a voluntary £40 million budget cap, claiming it will create a ‘two-tier’ championship.

The world champions also claimed that the FIA did not have the right to introduce such changes without their agreement. However, the Tribunal de Grande Instance in Paris found that Ferrari had no valid reason to block the FIA plans.

Responding to the decision, the FIA said: "No competitor should place their interests above those of the sport in which they compete. The FIA, the teams and our commercial partners will now continue to work to ensure the wellbeing of Formula One in 2010 and beyond."

Teams have until May 29 to lodge their application for the 2010 FIA Formula One World Championship. Ferrari are one of a number of teams who have suggested they will not compete next season if the planned rules are not changed.

Source: F1.com


So Max and Bernie have 9 days left to save this sport, if they don't reconsider I think next year will be a complete shambles.

[pinkmichk]

and we all know bernie doesnt have the sports best interests at heart
on a side note am looking forward to this weekends race monaco is my fave

[Iceman]

I honestly think F1 will fall apart if Ferrari, Renault, Torro Rosso, Toyota and Red Bull leave, I mean Ferrari are the sports most decorated team and have the most followers.

Monaco should be good I read an interview with Hamilton saying he's going all out in this race, can't wait.

[James]

Just watching the qualifying now. :)

[Novo]

Suto will win!!!!!!!

[Iceman]

Hope Kimi does well tomorrow, good improvement from ferrari, hard luck Hamilton!

[Wildcat!]

Lewis messed up man! He couldve gotten pole thins week.
I love monaco, I am ace on it with the video game, since a lot of the cars retire. You have to be so careful. I knew Lewis would crash with the angle he took!

[andyman]

Strange season, just flippin odd!

[30stone]

Button has done it again!

[pinkmichk]

monaco is my fav race but this season is just dire in terms of being a mclaren/hamilton fan:bored:

[andyman]

Originally posted by pinkmichk
monaco is my fav race but this season is just dire in terms of being a mclaren/hamilton fan:bored: C'mon Button is English!! Or you just fancy Hamilton more? :laugh:

[andyman]

2009, Hamilton who?

[pinkmichk]

dont get me wrong its nice to see a english flag for first place but i've only really followed a team since hamilton has been in it cos he is a local lad

[Wildcat!]

Originally posted by pinkmichk
monaco is my fav race but this season is just dire in terms of being a mclaren/hamilton fan:bored:

I know. I love Monaco too, pure drivers circuit, and its so realistic on video games!
But ya right about Mclaren being dire. I cant understand it, how their mercedes engine doesnt produce as well as some rookie mercedes car! Its just not their year.

[Iceman]

Brawn dominant again, good race for Ferrari, Kimi did a good job, hopefully their comeback is on!

Was funny when button parked in the wrong place!

[ange7]

Originally posted by Iceman
Brawn dominant again, good race for Ferrari, Kimi did a good job, hopefully their comeback is on!

Was funny when button parked in the wrong place!
yeah ... he's had enough practice at it.

[Iceman]

FERRARI will be on the Formula One grid in 2010.


The Italians had threatened to quit the sport unless the FIA dropped plans to introduce a £40million budget cap from next season.

But with the deadline today for entry into the 2010 championship, Ferrari — along with the other existing teams — are set to sign up.

They are willing to accept a compromise with an £85m cap next year before the £40m restriction comes into effect in 2011.

The actual budget will be much higher as engine costs, drivers’ wages, hospitality and marketing are not included.

With Ferrari’s drivers on mega-bucks — Kimi Raikkonen earns £30m — they will be operating on around £145m next year.



Great news for any F1 fan:cheer:

[Iceman]

Bumpage for Qualifying tomorrow!

Turkish Grand Prix this weekend, Qualifying starts at 12!

[Iceman]

Nobody watch Qualiy then no????

[James]

I missed it. :s

[Iceman]

Originally posted by James
I missed it. :s

If you support Lewis you'll be glad you missed it!!!!!!!!!!

[James]

Yeah, read about it. The McLaren is a really uncompetitive car this year.

[Iceman]

Originally posted by James
Yeah, read about it. The McLaren is a really uncompetitive car this year.

Yeah they're talking about bringing in a new car already this year and the a newer one next year. . .

[pinkmichk]

i saw a bit of qualie (rare for me dont normally see it) but i soon switched off:mad:
if button/brawn continue how they are doing how many more races have they got before the title is out of reach for everyone else?
vettal made me laugh he really wanted to have a go at webber for taking 2nd
and a bit random but does anyone know what the song was yesterday you know at end of the show they show like a minute race highlights with a song over it had the word superstar in it but i havent a clue what it is and want to download it

[ange7]

yeah I'm a webber fan but that 2nd seemed hollow.
song is
Lupe fiasco and Matthew Santos -- Superstar
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtGj-P-0m9o

[pinkmichk]

:cheer2: thank you

[ange7]

lol great tune...at first I thought it sounded like the front guy from cold play. anyhow np

[James]

Le Mans 24 hours starts today... F1 driver Bourdais is driving for a Peugeot team, they're on poll. I hope Aston Martin do well. Anthony Davidson is driving for them.

[Iceman]

Originally posted by James
Le Mans 24 hours starts today... F1 driver Bourdais is driving for a Peugeot team, they're on poll. I hope Aston Martin do well. Anthony Davidson is driving for them.

Will this be on Eurosport, or do you know James?

[Iceman]

The FIA statement in full:
2010 FIA Formula One World Championship Entry List

Following the completion of the applications process for teams to compete in the 2010 FIA Formula One World Championship, the following teams have been confirmed.

TEAM / CONSTRUCTOR
SCUDERIA FERRARI MARLBORO / FERRARI
SCUDERIA TORO ROSSO / STR TBA
RED BULL RACING / RBR RENAULT
AT&T WILLIAMS / WILLIAMS TOYOTA
FORCE INDIA F1 TEAM / FORCE INDIA MERCEDES
CAMPOS GRAND PRIX / CAMPOS COSWORTH
MANOR GRAND PRIX / MANOR COSWORTH
TEAM US F1 / TEAM US F1 COSWORTH
VODAFONE McLAREN MERCEDES* / McLAREN MERCEDES
BMW SAUBER F1 TEAM* / BMW SAUBER
RENAULT F1 TEAM* / RENAULT
PANASONIC TOYOTA RACING* / TOYOTA
BRAWN GP FORMULA ONE TEAM* / BRAWN TBA

*These five teams have submitted conditional entries.The FIA has invited them to lift those conditions following further discussions to be concluded not later than close of business on Friday 19 June.

The maximum number of cars permitted to enter the 2010 Championship has been increased to 26, two being entered by each competitor. Pending completion of the discussions referred to above, further due diligence is currently taking place on other potential entries.




Ferrari also relased a statement saying that there inclusion is conditional to the budget cap not being introduced.

[James]

Originally posted by Iceman
Originally posted by James
Le Mans 24 hours starts today... F1 driver Bourdais is driving for a Peugeot team, they're on poll. I hope Aston Martin do well. Anthony Davidson is driving for them.

Will this be on Eurosport, or do you know James?

Yeah, it is on Eurosport. The full 24 hours basically.

[Iceman]

Originally posted by James
Originally posted by Iceman
Originally posted by James
Le Mans 24 hours starts today... F1 driver Bourdais is driving for a Peugeot team, they're on poll. I hope Aston Martin do well. Anthony Davidson is driving for them.

Will this be on Eurosport, or do you know James?

Yeah, it is on Eurosport. The full 24 hours basically.

Cheers:thumbs:

[pinkmichk]

i've just caught a bit of le mans on itv4 (dont have eurosport) and the end of race is gonna be on there from half 1 so will watch that they have touring car on at the moment i miss watching touring car live at brands not been in ages

[Iceman]

British GP at Silverstone this weekend, probably the last one there, hopefully some teams make a comeback, i'm getting bored of this season already!

[libra68]

is jenson going to pull it out the bag once again,:dazzler:

[libra68]

i would love for rubens to win just one,the man deserves it dont you think:cheer::cheer:

[Iceman]

Yeah even if Rubens won a race and button scored no points it would make it ineteresting. If Barrichello doesn't get some wins soon, he'll have to play back up to Jenson, and it's not fair to put Rubens there again!

[Iceman]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5h-HTv9d4c

[libra68]

i know,rubens has been around a long time,i feel it for him but i do want jenson to be the man at silverstone,mark webbers one to watch,am lovin him this year:thumbs:

[Iceman]

Worst day in Ferrari's history below!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlPrj9a88ME
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltbjrLorp84

[libra68]

all am seeing is a blank space iceman,no picture:shocked:

[Iceman]

Originally posted by libra68
all am seeing is a blank space iceman,no picture:shocked:

should be youtube videos?

[pinkmichk]

i'd love to see rubens win a race even though i'm not a brawn fan would be kinda good if he got one this weekend at sliverstone
does anyone else feel a bit sad about silverstone being retired as the british track?
i'm so jealous of my friend her hubby works at brawn so they get tickets to go to the uk race

[Iceman]

The fact is Rubens isn't going to win or challenge for the title, his best years were at Ferrari and he had to play wing man to Schumi.
Vettel isn't consistent enough to challenge.
Trulli isn't consistent enough to challenge.
Webber bottles it a lot so he won't do anything major.
Hamilton is having his worst racing year ever.
Kovalinen is struggling with the car.
The Iceman's head isn't in it again this year I expect him to retire.
Massa is struggling with set-up and KERS.
No other driver can win this except Button and if he loses it he only has himself to blame for it!

[pinkmichk]

i agree with all that i was actually suprised kimi didnt retire last yr

[Iceman]

Originally posted by pinkmichk
i agree with all that i was actually suprised kimi didnt retire last yr

Yeah so was I, Alonso will be there next year!(if there is a Formula 1 left)

[James]

I thought last season was better, it doesn't look like the changes to the cars have made overtaking any easier.

I keep hoping someone will give Jenson a real challenge but it doesn't look like happening.

[Iceman]

Originally posted by James
I thought last season was better, it doesn't look like the changes to the cars have made overtaking any easier.

I keep hoping someone will give Jenson a real challenge but it doesn't look like happening.

Yeah I'm really bored already this season. In comparison the last 3 seasons have gone down to the final race, doesn't look like it's going to happen this year.:sad::sad:

Always clinging on to hope that The Iceman strikes back!:thumbs:

[pinkmichk]

Originally posted by Iceman
Originally posted by James
I thought last season was better, it doesn't look like the changes to the cars have made overtaking any easier.

I keep hoping someone will give Jenson a real challenge but it doesn't look like happening.

Yeah I'm really bored already this season. In comparison the last 3 seasons have gone down to the final race, doesn't look like it's going to happen this year.:sad::sad:

Always clinging on to hope that The Iceman strikes back!:thumbs:

i've loved the excitment of the previous seasons where it really could be anyones game
at what point if jenson carries on how he is will the season be over with no chance of someone gaining enough points to win the championship?

[Iceman]

It all depends on how many more wins he gets, it could be by singapore if he wins all the next races I think, I could be way off though i'm never good at that stuff.

Although I don't realistically see him losing it!

[pinkmichk]

i dont see him loosing it either short of something huge that takes him out of the car for rest of season like a broken leg or something

[Iceman]

Brawn are too consistent, reliabilitywise they are amazing, delivering the car they are amazing I just wish this would of happened mid season and it would of benn more interesting!

[Iceman]

Funniest clip in F1 history ever!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HHUkHbgAtM

[pinkmichk]

Originally posted by Iceman
Funniest clip in F1 history ever!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HHUkHbgAtM


:laugh3::laugh3::laugh3::laugh3:

is anyone else going to the renault world series at silverstone 4th/5th july i've just found my free tickets that i got

[Iceman]

No I'm not going to that I am going to be marshalling at The 80th Anniversary Phoenix Park Motor Racing in August though!:dance::dance: can't wait for it!

[30stone]

8 teams withdrawn from f1.

[30stone]

http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/090612205814.shtml


Toyota
Renault
BMW
Mclren
BRawn
Ferrari
Red Bull
Toro Rosso all pulling out


Williams Force India and 3 new commers will be the only ones left.

[andyman]

A new Championship.

[andyman]

It has to be done!

It's like the FA saying Man Utd, Chelsea, Liverpool and Arsenal must spend the same as Wigan every season.:mad:

[andyman]

The tv rights, how long has the bbc got the F1 contract?

[pinkmichk]

well to be fair they are the better teams on grid so any racing with those in will be good least its not like the previous rumours of only 2 or 3 going
andyman i have no idea how long the bbc have rights for
iceman that sounds so cool

[James]

A breakaway series would be pretty disastrous for the sport. It would be like what happened in America when Indycar racing split in two. It damaged racing there quite a bit.

[Iceman]

Ah finally I can have my say, I messed up my internet last night!

I predicted this during the week, it's a game of cat and mouse. Ecclestone will not let a breakaway series happen these are threats, if it does happen id be completely shocked and it would ruin F1/New series. The fans don't want this, the teams don't want this, nobody wants this. If ecclestone and the nazi do some mediating it could be sorted in a day!

Rant over!:hugesmile:

[libra68]

do you think the teams will split away from f1 next year,webber one to watch this weekend,cant wait for qualifing tomorrow

[Iceman]

Originally posted by libra68
do you think the teams will split away from f1 next year,webber one to watch this weekend,cant wait for qualifing tomorrow

I think that it will be sorted by the end of this weekend or early next week! They can't afford to leave the sport in disrespute for long, it's been all about the breakaway series this weekend but yet they're having the final grand prix at Silverstone and it hasn't been reported!

Come This time next week everything will be fine!:thumbs:

[andyman]

Scrap the budget cap = no split! Easy.

[Iceman]

Originally posted by andyman
Scrap the budget cap = no split! Easy.

It's actually that simple, it's Bernie and Max wanting complete control and Fota and FIA having a dispute.

[Iceman]

MAX MOSLEY has told F1 to F-off as the bitter £1billion battle for control of the sport descends into open warfare.

Motor-racing supremo Mosley has threatened to sue all eight teams vowing to quit the FIA and set up their own championship.


British legend Jackie Stewart also weighed in to demand Mosley steps down before the entire sport self-destructs.


But Mosley, 69, broke his silence to come out punching - refusing to budge from his position as president of the FIA and setting in motion a £1bn legal battle.


Jenson Button's Brawn GP team, Ferrari, McLaren, Renault, BMW Sauber, Toyota, Red Bull Racing and Toro Rosso have all refused to accept Mosley's proposed £40million spending cap for next season.


Instead, the eight members of the Formula One Teams' Association announced they were quitting to set up their own grand-prix circus.


But Mosley blasted: "Basically, the teams don't want agreement - they want sporting power and money.


"Many have already been paid half of their participation fees until 2012 up front and in one case they would have to pay back £100m, while others will run to tens of millions.


"The amounts involved could be massive if we go for damages to Formula One. Breakaway? Pure fantasy, they know it is fantasy. It is never going to happen.


"If they set up the Golden Steering Wheel Championship, who will want to watch it?


"It is not the FIA Formula One World Championship. That is what counts. I know because I once tried to set up a rival series with Bernie Ecclestone.


"I am less likely now to step down in October because any thoughts I had about retiring are fading.


"If I dropped dead tomorrow they will probably get someone worse than me, with far less understanding of F1."


Mosley is confident a compromise settlement will be reached in time for the 2010 season.


He said: "I don't take it as seriously as some people do because I know that it is all posturing and posing.


"It will all stop some time between the beginning of 2010 and March 2010, the first race.


"All this will stop, it will all settle down and everyone will go racing.


"I am completely confident because, in the end, people do whatever is in their interests.


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"It is in the interests of the teams to be in the F1 world championship and there's actually no fundamental or important issue that is stopping them taking part. It is all about personalities and power and who can grab what from whom - which is easy when nothing is at stake but when it gets to the first race and it is make-your-mind-up time, they'll be there."


Earlier, the FIA issued a dramatic statement from their Paris HQ, insisting their lawyers "will be issuing legal proceedings without delay".


Ferrari recently lost their bid for an injunction to stop proposed changes to the sport.


They refused to comment further but other FOTA members remain adamant they will stick to their bombshell announcement.


Brawn GP team owner Ross Brawn said: "The teams' ambition is not to take over F1 but they have a massive investment in it. They want their investment protected."


McLaren team boss Martin Whitmarsh added: "FOTA's position isn't that we don't want to cut costs, we do.


"Ultimately, we're very close in many things. And that is perhaps one of the sad things.


"If you look at FOTA's position and the FIA, there are a lot of common views and yet, for whatever reasons - maybe personal relationships - we weren't able to come to an arrangement."





Mosley saying he's staying, mocking other teams, I've now changed my mind he can go and have F1 with three crap teams and a load of newbies it will fall flat on it's face.:mad:

[andyman]

The breakaway will form a new Premireship.

[Iceman]

Breakway will end the Sport, it's only just recovered from the dominating Schumi/Ferrari years. It's finally got interesting again and this happens! So angry as a fan:mad::mad::mad:

[andyman]

Well it's going to happen if the budget cap aint put in the bin.

[Iceman]

Im going to just try and ignore all the crap and politics for the weekend and watch the actual sport!(except tomorrow im going to Slane Castle to see Oasis and Prodighy!:hello::colour:

[andyman]

Yeah best to enjoy the sport.. Before it goes belly up.:laugh:

Nah i think things will work out.

Good to see The Prodigy still going strong.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBYVD1T9gFQ

[Iceman]

I shall be well on my way before I see them tmorrow, im gonna get smashed as hell!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:wink::wink:

[Iceman]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsvKPM6itCw&feature=fvw

Great tribute video! :spin2:

[andyman]

:dance:

[Iceman]

Brawn's dominance is slipping!

Good race today loads of suprises!!

[pinkmichk]

i agree was a really good race today i think mclaren are not going to push too much they seem like they are happy to accept defeat in the championship

[ange7]

Originally posted by Iceman
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsvKPM6itCw&feature=fvw

Great tribute video! :spin2:
does it include the highlight where he screws up Webber's final qualifying lap?
more like vodka and ice man

[Iceman]

Originally posted by ange7
Originally posted by Iceman
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsvKPM6itCw&feature=fvw

Great tribute video! :spin2:
does it include the highlight where he screws up Webber's final qualifying lap?

:joker::joker: why would it? why would it have anything to do with someone who's always going to be a no.2 driver!:wink::tongue:

[James]

Game on for the rest of the season? Maybe. ;)

[Iceman]

Yeah if Vettel keeps the fight on then it should be, he needs webber to do his job aswell! Ferrari were good today, in particular Kimi great start!

[ange7]

Originally posted by Iceman
Originally posted by ange7
Originally posted by Iceman
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsvKPM6itCw&feature=fvw

Great tribute video! :spin2:
does it include the highlight where he screws up Webber's final qualifying lap?

:joker::joker: why would it? why would it have anything to do with someone who's always going to be a no.2 driver!:wink::tongue:
lol ...you got me there.

[pinkmichk]

Originally posted by James
Game on for the rest of the season? Maybe. ;)

absolutly its not a completely job done conclusion now :hello: even though my team aint anywhere in sight they will be back next season

[James]

No breakaway next season. That was sorted out quick.


An agreement has been reached between Formula 1's governing body and the teams to prevent a breakaway series, says FIA president Max Mosley.

The two parties had been engulfed in a bitter row over planned budgetary and technical changes for the 2010 season.

But it appears a resolution has now been found and, as part of the deal, Mosley has agreed not to stand for re-election as president.

"There will be no split. We have agreed to a reduction of costs," added Mosley.

"There will be one F1 championship but the objective is to get back to the spending levels of the early 90s within two years."

F1 surpremo Bernie Ecclestone added that he is "very happy common sense has prevailed", following a meeting of 120 members of the FIA in Paris aimed at resolving the crisis.

Ahead of the meeting, Mosley had insisted that he would not step down as part of any potential agreement and might even seek re-election as head of world motor sport.

He hit out at what he described as "wholly unjustified criticism" of the FIA, adding: "It is for the FIA membership, and the FIA membership alone, to decide on its democratically elected leadership, not the motor industry and still less the individuals the industry employs to run its Formula 1 teams."

However, it appears Mosley has now agreed to move aside when his fourth term as FIA president ends in October, saying: "I will not be up for re-election, now we have peace."

Furthermore, writs that had been threatened against Ferrari and the other teams in the Formula 1 Teams Association (Fota) - McLaren, BMW Sauber, Renault, Toyota, Red Bull Racing, Toro Rosso and Brawn GP - are likely to be shelved.

The agreement ends two months of wrangling since Mosley announced after a World Council meeting at the end of April that a voluntary £40m budget cap would be imposed from next season - a plan that prompted a rebellion from eight teams, with Fota announcing on Thursday they were planning a rival series.


But the new agreement ends that threat, while still maintaining the "financial viability" of teams which had been targeted with the initial cap, said Mosley. As part of the agreement, existing teams must help new outfits with their engines and chassis.

"It's come as a bit of a surprise, given that Fota were planning to meet in Bologna on Thursday to discuss their plans for the breakaway championship," reported BBC sports news correspondent James Munro from Paris.

"But what we got today after a meeting of World Motorsport Council was an impromptu press conference and Mosley began by saying there will be no split, there will be one championship.

"He said that over the course of the negotiations he had been able to secure guarantees from the teams who were threatening to break away that they would try to reign back the levels of their spending to the levels they were spending in the early 90s.

"It was him that had come up with the idea that next season all teams would have a budget cap of about £40m, but there has clearly been a trade-off as he has also agreed to do what he says was always the plan - stand down as president of the FIA this October."

It is not the first time Mosley has promised to stand down as FIA president, however.

In June 2004, Mosley announced then he would stand down from his position in October of that year - only to rescind his decision a month later and secure re-election.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8116756.stm

[Iceman]

Yeah I'm happy Mr News Of The World is going, good for the Sport, although looking at the breakaway calender they proposed it seemed great.

[pinkmichk]

lets hope he does actually go and stay gone this time
off to the world series at silverstone tomorrow:cheer:

[pinkmichk]

i'm back had a fab time any renault fans on here? have a couple of pics cos one of the test drivers took one of the cars out on track for a demo

[Iceman]

Originally posted by pinkmichk
i'm back had a fab time any renault fans on here? have a couple of pics cos one of the test drivers took one of the cars out on track for a demo

Ye post a few pics if you get the chance, would be nice to see some.:thumbs:

[pinkmichk]

we managed to be in the right place at right time (for anyone that knows siverstone just after the pit straight on the inside of the track) was just the other side of the fence where they had the car before it went out on track the driver is Adam Khan

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f256/pinkmichk/buttons/073.jpg
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f256/pinkmichk/buttons/074.jpg
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f256/pinkmichk/buttons/076.jpg
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f256/pinkmichk/buttons/078.jpg
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f256/pinkmichk/buttons/080.jpg

[James]

Here's qualifying for the German Grand Prix on now.

[Iceman]

Great pics!! First one is really good, nice zoom on the car!!

[James]

GP2 sprint race is on Eurosport at the moment.

[pinkmichk]

Originally posted by Iceman
Great pics!! First one is really good, nice zoom on the car!!

cheers i dont think i did bad given i'm only 5ft 3 :laugh: i did manage to get on top of a wall which is where the last one of car on track is from

i read somewhere yesterday that bernie said max is a honourable man and will go in october

[James]

Cool pics, thanks. There is a rumour that Piquet Jnr is about to get replaced at Renault.

Hopefully we will get a bit of rain at the GP today, spice it up a bit. GP2 race was pretty good cause it was wet.

[pinkmichk]

i'm suprised piquet hasnt been given the boot already will it be one of the test drivers?
i'd love some rain for todays race esp as hamilton is near the front

[pinkmichk]

:rolleyes: i spoke too soon about hamilton

[ange7]

lol Webber hits 2 cars before the end of the first turn. :P

[pinkmichk]

investigation into webber and barrichello
they just said there a bump on the track that could have caused hamiltons puncture :mad:

[ange7]

didn't see Webber's front wing punture Hamilton but webber's move against barri was touch and go....
edit... ooops drive through penalty .... lol dam.

[pinkmichk]

i dont think it was webber who caused hamiltons puncture?
webber was on for a good race but a drive through isnt going to do him any favours

[ange7]

he's never going to win a race ever is he :( lol
re hamilton. those bbc commentators mentioned that Webber's clipped Hamilton'ns tyre on the first bend but now they're on about some bump in the road...so I don't know.

[pinkmichk]

yeah at first i think they were saying down to webber but then they played a replay and said it looked like hamilton had picked it up before the clip from webber

[pinkmichk]

bourdais last race? i knew piquets future was at risk but didnt realise bourdais as well

[Iceman]

The end of this race is going to be great, Massa doing a great job holding them up, webber could be back in contention!!!

[pinkmichk]

i agree webber could actually pull it back

[Iceman]

Ferrari can only hold them up because of KERS, hopefully they agree it will be gone next year and we can see who is really better!

[Iceman]

Kimi always in the wars hahaha

[pinkmichk]

i feel for sutil thats the second time he has been racing really well and kimi takes him out
is this kimis last season?

[Iceman]

Originally posted by pinkmichk
i feel for sutil thats the second time he has been racing really well and kimi takes him out
is this kimis last season?

He's contracted to one more but I don't think he'll stay, I hope he does he's my favourite driver. I do think a certain Fernando will be in red pretty soon.

[ange7]

lol kimi strikes again....but to be fair aren't drivers coming out of pits meant to be on a blue flag?

[pinkmichk]

tbh i'm suprised he is racing this season i thought he was going to go at the end of last season his heart doesnt seem to be in the racing any more

[Iceman]

yeah he got what he wanted, became champion and has a few records to his name. He's there in the history books, I think he'll go though. Kimi under investigation, webber has lead again!

[Iceman]

Kimi out :( by the looks of it.

[pinkmichk]

the stewards are on the ball today
sounds like there is going to be a lot of changes where drivers are concerned

[pinkmichk]

why did kimi retire? i missed it

[Iceman]

Yeah and I hope Villeneuve(can't spell it) comes back he says he wants to come back!

[Iceman]

Originally posted by pinkmichk
why did kimi retire? i missed it

Think it was his engine.

[pinkmichk]

Originally posted by Iceman
Originally posted by pinkmichk
why did kimi retire? i missed it

Think it was his engine.

ahhh he didnt look impressed did he
the clouds are rolling in come on the rain

[ange7]

loved it....wooo hoooo

[pinkmichk]

a very well deserved win

[Iceman]

great win, lets hope red bull beat brawn in the next race, make things interesting!!!

[pinkmichk]

Originally posted by Iceman
great win, lets hope red bull beat brawn in the next race, make things interesting!!!

i agree will make the second half of season good if its not a full blown conclusion

[Iceman]

Originally posted by pinkmichk
Originally posted by Iceman
great win, lets hope red bull beat brawn in the next race, make things interesting!!!

i agree will make the second half of season good if its not a full blown conclusion

Well the thing with Brawn is people said they would drop off after 2-3 races, they held on for longer than they should have. Brawn have everything to lose and I dont think Jenson has the head for it.

[pinkmichk]

barichello is not a happy chappy
i agree about jenson

[30stone]

Webber done well in that after having to go thru pitlane at 60.

[Iceman]

Webber will play wing man for the rest of the season.
Vettel will dominate like a certain German before him.
Button will fall apart in the last races of the season.
Barrichello will be an angry man and lose places easily.
Massa will maintain a 3rd -5th place finish in most races.
Kimi will retire from loads and eat ice-cream to maintain his iceman powers.
Lewis will be too aggressive like today and crash out, possible injury on the cards.

The rest will be meh...

My pick after halfway point of the season is Vettel!

[Iceman]

Oh and the next race is:

10 FORMULA 1 ING MAGYAR NAGYDIJ 2009 (Budapest) 24 - 26 Jul

[pinkmichk]

Originally posted by Iceman
Kimi will retire from loads and eat ice-cream to maintain his iceman powers.


:laugh3:

agree now webber has got a win i reckon he will go back to being 2nd behind vettel who has had a good season so far and could easily take the championship from button esp if it all gets too much for button barichello hasnt done himself any favours with the team with his on camera rant about them
as for hamilton the less said about him the better imo he has had a pretty dire season so far

[Iceman]

I cant wait for the remaining few races now, especially the night race!!!

[pinkmichk]

the night race is one of my favs

[Iceman]

Im really looking forward to the new race aswell, looks like an interesting circuit!

[pinkmichk]

the abu dhabi one? i dont think i have seen pics of it

[Iceman]

Yeah thats the one, i'll try and post a track pic after ive finished painting, im taking a smoke break now:tongue:

[pinkmichk]

noooooooooo dont bring smoking in here :laugh:
i looked on planet f1 and its the only circut they dont have a pic of :puzzled:

[Iceman]

yeah there was 2-3 pics going around, i havent got the time now, but i'll make sure i find them and ill repost them here later, probably tonight though, need to paint loads:cloud:

[Iceman]

I asked if I could have a thread just for the race so we can talk about it in there and it will be merged afterwards because this one keeps messing up during the race.

[Iceman]

Woah just watched Qualifying real bad crash for Felipe.

He's okay now but a piece of Barichello's car hit him in the head and knocked him unconscious then he has a real bad crash.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWzWXgeT0FY

[pinkmichk]

:shocked: woah that is bad

[pinkmichk]

:shocked: i just read felipe has to have surgery after getting skull damage and concussion and arrived at hospital stable and conscious and will remain in intensive care under observation after the op

[Novo]

Ouch!

[Iceman]

Originally posted by pinkmichk
:shocked: i just read felipe has to have surgery after getting skull damage and concussion and arrived at hospital stable and conscious and will remain in intensive care under observation after the op

Holy ****:sad::sad::sad:

They said he would be fine, they must have done more scans on his head and found that out.




Totally off topic here but with Felipe out and a free race seat on such short notice do you think we could see a certain German fill his space??

[pinkmichk]

which german? :blush2:
i just caught a replay of the end of qualies so is alonso def on pole cos they lost all the times?
that was on the bbc sport bit on the bbc news channel you could read that on screen like teletext while at same time cos it was showing a replay of qualies he hadnt even left the track at that point

[Iceman]

Originally posted by pinkmichk
which german? :blush2:
i just caught a replay of the end of qualies so is alonso def on pole cos they lost all the times?
that was on the bbc sport bit on the bbc news channel you could read that on screen like teletext while at same time cos it was showing a replay of qualies he hadnt even left the track at that point

Was just on Massa's website there and they said he's in having the operations now and will then go to ICU.

It's weird that this is probably the most serious accident since Senna's and that both were Brazilian....hope he's okay:sad:

[pinkmichk]

i hope he is going to be ok regardless of team colour or who you are a fan of when accidents happen esp the bigger ones it makes you realise what a dangerous sport it is

[BigSister]

omg hope hes ok ive only just found that out now

[Iceman]

Apparently he's in recovery now, sky news and bbc don't have much because of the WW1 veteran who passed away. Looks like he will be out for a few months, I don't think you can be cleared to race with the injuries he sustained.


here's the results anyway....


1 spain Fernando Alonso Renault 1:21.569
2 germany Sebastian Vettel Red Bull-Renault 1:21.607
3 australia Mark Webber Red Bull-Renault 1:21.741
4 great britain Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 1:21.839
5 germany Nico Rosberg Williams-Toyota 1:21.890
6 finland Heikki Kovalainen McLaren-Mercedes 1:22.095
7 finland Kimi Raikkonen Ferrari 1:22.468
8 great britain Jenson Button Brawn-Mercedes 1:22.511
9 japan Kazuki Nakajima Williams-Toyota 1:22.835
10 brazil Felipe Massa Ferrari No time
11 switzerland Sebastien Buemi Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1:21.002
12 italy Jarno Trulli Toyota 1:21.082
13 brazil Rubens Barrichello Brawn-Mercedes 1:21.222
14 germany Timo Glock Toyota 1:21.242
15 brazil Nelson Piquet Jr Renault 1:21.389
16 germany Nick Heidfeld BMW Sauber 1:21.738
17 italy Giancarlo Fisichella Force India-Mercedes 1:21.807
18 germany Adrian Sutil Force India-Mercedes 1:21.868
19 poland Robert Kubica BMW Sauber 1:21.901
20 spain Jaime Alguersuari Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1:22.359

[pinkmichk]

i cant see him finishing the season head injuries are a big thing in any sport i know when i have had concussion they gave me a card saying no contact sport for at least 6 weeks but surely undergoing the g force in a f1 car is going to be even worse than that

thanks for the times good qualie by hamilton wonder if he will throw the race away again so not holding my breath

[Iceman]

It's gotten worse, he's now in a life threatening condition, doesn't look good..........:shocked::shocked::shocked:

[pinkmichk]

:shocked: :sad: blimey i really really hope he pulls through thats the thing with head injuries they can go from being not all that bad to life threatening

[Iceman]

Originally posted by pinkmichk
:shocked: :sad: blimey i really really hope he pulls through thats the thing with head injuries they can go from being not all that bad to life threatening

This just reminds me of Senna so much, so many similarities apart from nationality....

[pinkmichk]

i agree lets hope it doesnt turn out the same

[Iceman]

Originally posted by pinkmichk
i agree lets hope it doesnt turn out the same

Serious but stable they are saying now.....:sad:

[pinkmichk]

:shocked: how can the news be coming so different with each update

[Iceman]

Originally posted by pinkmichk
:shocked: how can the news be coming so different with each update

Am watching sky news so when they update I update...

They said they have him under anaesthetic and they wont wake him until tomorrow....

I hink this is worse than they are letting on and that Max or Bernie have something to do with it......

[Iceman]

Changed again, "ife threatening but stable"..........

[pinkmichk]

i have just seen a picture of his helmet/face after the accident :bawling:
warning its not pretty
http://www.mtv3.fi/urheilu/f1/uutiset.shtml/arkistot/f1/2009/07/920735

[Iceman]

170 miles per hour crash...

change again.. Serious, Life-threatening but stable.

Just looked at that photo, that is very nasty, surprisd he wasn't knoced out for longer..................

[pinkmichk]

that is a fast crash esp when your already knocked out while he remains critical at the mo looking at the pic a couple inches to his right and i dont think he would have got out of the car alive:sad:

[Iceman]

If he makes it hrough this without any permanent damage to his eye or his brain i'd be surprised, I think he may have to retire to be honest, with all the G-force that would be put on him in the future it couldn't be safe.....

[Gemmer-x]

eeep i hope Massa's okay, the crash was nasty