Republic Of Scotland : Thurs Sept 18th 2014

[arista]

The Scottish Leader Alex Salmond
just Live On Ch4 News
said the Nuke Subs will have to be moved to England
as they do not want them in there New Nation.


He will have his own Small Army
and not use English Funding for anything in Scotland.


This is Great
it will save us mega money

The Subs can go to Southampton or something,






Roll On the Scottish Vote

[Lee.]

Lol.. save you money? Go research the figures :rolleyes:

[arista]

Lol.. save you money? Go research the figures :rolleyes:


Over a Long Time it Will.



I will still buy Scottish Shortbread

[Saph]

does this mean they will not be a part of the UK?

[arista]

does this mean they will not be a part of the UK?


Yes

[Livia]

The thing that makes me smile about this that most English people I speak to can't wait for Scotland to be independent, most of us would positively enourage it. And yet, when an English person says, good, can't wait for it to happen, Scottish people don't see happy with that and would prefer us to be upset at the prospect.

Alex Salmond also said that they will "decided later whether or not Scotland will join the EU". Which will be quite a dilemma for all those Scottish people living and working in England who will suddenly need a visa to be able to visit England, let alone live and work here, as do other nationalities who's countries are not EU members.

There isn't the hatred from ordinary English people toward the Scottish that a lot of Scottish people harbour toward the English, mainly I think because the English are not still grimly hanging on to old slights inflicted on them by people hundreds of years dead, and for which the vast majority of English people were a) not responsible for and, b) did not profit from.

It's terrible a shame, our two countries have a long history where we've stood together many times. But I don't think there is anything that can be done to heal the rift now.

[arista]

"It's terrible a shame, our two countries have a long history where we've stood together many times. But I don't think there is anything that can be done to heal the rift now. "



Rift or No Rift


I buy Pure Scottish Butter Shortbread.
At AsdaWalmart.


Feel The Force.

[ILoveTRW]

Please god let this happen, but make sure it is 2015 so we have time to take the last of the Scottish oil in the North Sea.

[Sam:)]

How come Scothland get a referendum to become independant and NI doesn't get a referendum to join ROI

[King Gizzard]

Sorry for the dumb question, but they're actually calling themselves The Republic of Scotland?

[arista]

How come Scothland get a referendum to become independant and NI doesn't get a referendum to join ROI


Because SNP are in Power
They Kicked out Stinking New Labour
and Stayed in power.


Ireland its to complicated,



Roll On
The Republic Of Scotland.

[ILoveTRW]

Sorry for the dumb question, but they're actually calling themselves The Republic of Scotland?

nah, thats just Arista being dumb
Scotland have said that they would keep the monarchy if they were to gain independence

[arista]

Sorry for the dumb question, but they're actually calling themselves The Republic of Scotland?


They may do.

But if you say the Republic Of Scotland
everyone knows what the Angle is.


They will be Great Trading Partners of England

[King Gizzard]

No more Chris Hoy for the Olympics :sad:

[arista]

nah, thats just Arista being dumb
Scotland have said that they would keep the monarchy if they were to gain independence

Nothing Dumb in a Republic


And Alex has many choices.

[Scarlett.]

I wouldn't mind Scotland becoming independant, as long as they call every now and again and don't forget about us.

[lily.]

No more Chris Hoy for the Olympics :sad:

I love how you think about the important stuff.. lol

I wouldn't mind Scotland becoming independant, as long as they call every now and again and don't forget about us.

We won't forget about you Chewy.. :))

[MTVN]

Salmond's looking to offer a third option on the referendum though which is basically "independence lite" where they just have maximum devolution but are still a part of the UK, even if mainly only in name, it's more likely to be popular among voters I think

[arista]

Salmond's looking to offer a third option on the referendum though which is basically "independence lite" where they just have maximum devolution but are still a part of the UK, even if mainly only in name, it's more likely to be popular among voters I think



Yes could be
but by the time they Vote is taken it could be that much worse.

And I Respect Scotlands Right to be like a Republic.

[Mac Hiavellian]

I don't want the Scots to be independant for my own selfish reasons - I just simply like them being part of the UK because it makes the UK more diverse and built up. I absolutely love the Scottish, Welsh and Irish (and Manc) accents and think an accent automatically makes some people more interesting

[arista]

I don't want the Scots to be independant for my own selfish reasons - I just simply like them being part of the UK because it makes the UK more diverse and built up. I absolutely love the Scottish, Welsh and Irish (and Manc) accents and think an accent automatically makes some people more interesting



No this is Scotlands Right
to Stand Alone
They Want It


Let them be Free.


It will not change how you view them.

[Crimson Dynamo]

we have plenty of our own self serving numpty politicians to run our own country so we dont need English ones.

Its an inevitability. We had the union foisted upon us and it is natural to now, in more civilized times, ask if we want it.

we dont

[Crimson Dynamo]

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Yes could be
but by the time they Vote is taken it could be that much worse.

And I Respect Scotlands Right to be like a Republic.

we will raise the price of your shortbread and reduce the price in scotland

[Niall]

I'm in two minds over this. One part of me thinks that its an awful thing to be parting ways with Scotland because of all the history there is between the rest of the UK and Scotland.

Then another part of me thinks that it could better finance-wise 'cause then the country wouldn't be responsible for HBOS and all that.

Idk I'm not that clued up on it all really.

[andybigbro]

i dont want scotland to be independant. i dont see the point in it.

[arista]

i dont want scotland to be independant. i dont see the point in it.



It means they will stand on there own feet.


It makes great sense as many predict we are in a 10 year down turn.

[arista]

we will raise the price of your shortbread and reduce the price in scotland


Not a Problem
as Asda Walmart buys so much
I will get the best Worldwide deal price
on a big box of Pure Butter Scottish Shortbread.
Exclusive Deal to Asda Walmart.


Cheaper than trade prices.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Not a Problem
as Asda Walmart buys so much
I will get the best Worldwide deal price
on a big box of Pure Butter Scottish Shortbread.
Exclusive Deal to Asda Walmart.


Cheaper than trade prices.

you dont get the good stuff as we keep that here.

mmmmmmmm

and tablet too

[arista]

"good stuff as we keep that here."

You do not know.

AsdaWalmart buys direct.

[Mac Hiavellian]

No this is Scotlands Right
to Stand Alone
They Want It


Let them be Free.


It will not change how you view them.

It won't change how I view the Scots but it'll change how I view the UK if Scotland isn't part of the UK anymore

[arista]

It won't change how I view the Scots but it'll change how I view the UK if Scotland isn't part of the UK anymore


Well thats what they can Vote on in 2015.


I am sure you will get used to this change
after all the Comedy sketches that will be made on this.

[Lee.]

"good stuff as we keep that here."

You do not know.

AsdaWalmart buys direct.

You do not know.

We have a top secret vault where the best shortbread is kept. It is protected by sabre toothed haggises. AsdaWalmart cannot buy direct.

Sign of the times.

[arista]

You do not know.

We have a top secret vault where the best shortbread is kept. It is protected by sabre toothed haggises. AsdaWalmart cannot buy direct.

Sign of the times.



I do know I buy Quality.
With Made In Scotland on it.



You can have your 'special' mix
I am Overjoyed with Pure Butter Scottish Shortbread
Utter Quality at AsdaWalmart.




Feel The Force.

[joeysteele]

I personally would be very sad indeed if Scotland was fully independent,I love the Country and the people.
My hope is that more in the devolution process can keep Scotland as part of the UK. I also still doubt the Scots would vote for full independence though.

Scotland,as has Wales and England too been badly served by Govts. of both major parties and now as they were turning a fair bit more to the Lib Dems, they have let them down badly too.

Alex Salmond is a really great leader for Scotland and has his finger far more on the pulse than near all Westminster politicians.

I am of Scottish ancestry on my Dad's side and Independent or not I will always look on the Scots as good people and a great Country. I just hope we all stay together though.

[arista]

I personally would be very sad indeed if Scotland was fully independent,I love the Country and the people.
My hope is that more in the devolution process can keep Scotland as part of the UK. I also still doubt the Scots would vote for full independence though.

Scotland,as has Wales and England too been badly served by Govts. of both major parties and now as they were turning a fair bit more to the Lib Dems, they have let them down badly too.

Alex Salmond is a really great leader for Scotland and has his finger far more on the pulse than near all Westminster politicians.

I am of Scottish ancestry on my Dad's side and Independent or not I will always look on the Scots as good people and a great Country. I just hope we all stay together though.



No it will be Fun.


And he can pick the €uro in 2015
or stay with his own pound.


I will Fly up to the New Nation
be great for New Trade Deals.
In Dollars.




Feel The Force.

[Maia]

As long as we still have our Pure Butter Scottish Shortbread from AsdaWalmart then all is good

[arista]

As long as we still have our Pure Butter Scottish Shortbread from AsdaWalmart then all is good


Bang On Right.

[billy123]

Good luck to them if thats what they decide to do it is fuelled by the wrong reasons but hey ho.

P.S. Arista keep your asda muck its Deans of Huntly shortbread or nothing!

[arista]

Good luck to them if thats what they decide to do it is fuelled by the wrong reasons but hey ho.

P.S. Arista keep your asda muck its Deans of Huntly shortbread or nothing!


Its Not Muck.


Its Quality.


Yes Good Luck To Scotland
its there Call.

[arista]

Cameron's great Scottish gamble: Premier wants to force early vote on independence

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2083996/Scotland-referendum-David-Cameron-force-early-Scottish-independence-vote.html#ixzz1ixJ1ZdmM

Of Course the PM may ask
but it will be a No.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/01/08/article-2083996-0994440D000005DC-253_468x495.jpg

Dave and Alex
sort it out.

Let Scotland be Free.

[lostalex]

I've always been confused about the UK system between "countries". Like for instance, do the "countries" of the UK have more or less independence and freedom than the individual States in the US? Do the "countries" in the UK have the ability to make their own laws and stuff like the individual US states? Make their own tax system? their judicial systems? their own gambling laws, drug laws, drinking laws, etc??

I know when the Lockerbie bomber was released, the Uk government said "Scotland made this decision, not the UK", so that said to me that Scotland already has some kind of judicial freedom atleast.

I'd really like to understand more about the Uk system before i make a judgement of whether Scotland is being reasonable or not.

[arista]

Yes Scotland has its own Law System.

He could apply to join the Deadly €uro, if Scotland gets free
but he gets in a waiting list as other nations are ahead of him

[joeysteele]

Why doesn't Mr. Cameron and the coalition pull the rug from under Alex Salmond's feet and have the referendum anyway with 3 options, No or Yes to independence and also another option for greater devolution with more control particularly over finance.

In all fact, an SNP referendum for independence would not be binding on the UK Govt as a whole, so Mr. Cameron would need to consult the rest of the UK as well.
However, he could have a referendum on the issue, claiming the SNP had brought it to a head and the matter needed clearing up once and for all.

I still don't think the Scots would vote for full independence but one thing is sure Alex Salmond has his finger on the pulse of Scotland, he has served them well as First Minister.
The independence of a part of the UK has to be granted though by the UK Parliament, so all this huffing and puffing by David Cameron is meaningless unless he himself goes ahead and decided to hold a referendum on the issue and he could hold it throughout the whole of the UK too.

It wasn't in the Conservative's manifesto but he would get this through Parliament easily to hold a referendum on the issue,he has wasted plenty of finance and resources on other things, this one more won't make much difference and he may even come out of it with some credibility and be the leader who in the end settled the Scottish independence issue and maybe even managed to hold the UK together too.

[arista]

"Mr. Cameron would need to consult the rest of the UK as well."

We in England would Vote for a Republic of Scotland
as the Money we spend on them would come back to us.

[lostalex]

I think it's kinda like the French Quebecois in Canada. I think they consider themselves a cultural minority in their own country, but i think deep down they still identify with their country. I can't imagine the Scots or the Quebecois being trully independent countries.

[fruit_cake]

They could put up a proper border and make sure the Scots have to have a visa to come into England

[Marc]

Scotland actually doing things a lot better than us, health care, planning.. it's a shame we can't just take lessons from them

[Livia]

Give them their referendum... and then regardless of the outcome, give the English a referendum and ask them the same question.

[arista]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/jan/09/scotland-referendum-david-cameron-salmond

Yes but asking for binding contract
Early is the Problem.

Alex wants it end of 2014 or 2015

[fruit_cake]

I love Scotland but I think they'll bottle it when it comes round to actually voting for independence

[lostalex]

Give them their referendum... and then regardless of the outcome, give the English a referendum and ask them the same question.


What would the English referendum be? whether to cut off from the rest of the UK? or just to cut off from Scotland?


It should be a referendum of whether or not to cut off from the Entire Uk, including Wales and NI too, not just Scotland.

[arista]

What would the English referendum be? whether to cut off from the rest of the UK? or just to cut off from Scotland?


It should be a referendum of whether or not to cut off from the Entire Uk, including Wales and NI too, not just Scotland.


No as its only Scotland that has Full Political Power
He Kicked out the former New Labour Criminals
to get Full Power up there.

[joeysteele]

Scotland is of great benefit to the rest of the UK just as the rest of the UK is to Scotland as well, it is accepted that nomore than just under a third of Scots would actually vote for full independence at this time.

David Cameron should press ahead with a UK referendum along with the main one in Scotland too.
The wordings of the referendum could be easy to format, a simple yes or no to independence to Scottish citizens and on the other referendum in Wales,N.Ireland and England a simple yes or no to granting independence to Scotland 'if' the Scots voted for independence.

As with the AV vote referendum, the Govt does not need to hang about on this isuue and could get it killed stone dead by doing the referendum itself,not waiting for the SNP to.
As I said above, it could gain David Cameron great credibility as to being the leader who dealt with the independence issue and also maybe held the UK together, if he dithers like Gordon Brown did on so many issues then David Cameron cpild be the leader who sees the UK split under or just after his leadership of the UK,I don't believe he wants that so he should act now and stop talking about it, he wants an early referendum, then go and do it, himself.

[arista]

No Joey
Whatever David offers
will not be agreed by Alex.


He is sticking to the 2014 Vote

[lostalex]

No Joey
Whatever David offers
will not be agreed by Alex.


He is sticking to the 2014 Vote

plz start calling him Mr. Salmond. thank you.

[arista]

plz start calling him Mr. Salmond. thank you.

No.

[MTVN]

Rebuild the wall :idc:

[arista]

Rebuild the wall :idc:

No Need.


It will be Great to set Scotland Free
on their own feet.

[Crimson Dynamo]

As I have said before. We have out own numpties who can run our country, we dont need any English ones. It will be good for England and Scotland and it will happen.

[joeysteele]

I don't see the Scots voting for full independence, it may get a lot closer but I still see a yes or no to independence being won by the no argument by at least 55% to 45%.
David Cameron is PM and leads the Govt of the United Kingdom, he does not need to agree with Alex Salmond on any matter of constitutional reform.

The SNP plan to hold an independence referendum but have no date set, the 'overall' UK govt, could easily decide in the interests of uncertainty and future planning that it is necessary to hold such a referendum now,of course David Cameron and the UK govt can talk to and consult Alex Salmond as to the referendum but in the end if the UK govt felt the 'need' in the interests of the Nation as a whole to hold the referendum now then all it has to do is bring such a measure to Parliament to hold such referendum at the earliest date.

It will not bode well for Alex Salmond if he is offered 'earlier' the referendum he so desires, if he huffs and puffs at the questions included he would be the one seen as causing problems for the Scottish voters on this issue.

By coming into the argument,David Cameron has opened new doors, he is the leader of the UK, he 'needs' to be seen to and 'has' to do what is good for the UK not for the SNP party only.
David Cameron has an opportunity to really rise on this issue, if he backs down and lets the SNP do it all their way,he will possibly pay a heavy price and be seen as dithering again, all talk and no action.

Like the AV referendum it is a likely beaten issue anyway and I hope the Scots vote no whenever it is held, I have family and friends who live in Scotland and they will certainly vote no.

It's time to get the issue settled and hold the referendum as early as it can be.If the SNP will not do that then David Cameron,his govt and the Parliament of the 'whole' UK have every right without further consultation to the SNP to legislate and hold a much earlier referendum themselves.
I hope he,(David Cameron), doesn't miss this chance to really lead but also to shine on this issue too.

[arista]

"I don't see the Scots voting for full independence, "

Yes but it's in 2014-16
so by then they may want it
Times being so hard in the UK.



And Labour Does not want this
as it would make them become unelected forever.

What a Great Day that will be.

[Z]

There's no point... other than being able to say "I'm Scottish, not British" (which people do anyway) there is no merit to becoming an independent country. It'd complicate travel. There'd be a huge financial mess in the overhaul involved in becoming a new country, and I had to renew my passport in April for another ten years and I cannot be arsed with getting a Scottish one before 2022 if I want to go anywhere. Haha.

[arista]

There's no point... other than being able to say "I'm Scottish, not British" (which people do anyway) there is no merit to becoming an independent country. It'd complicate travel. There'd be a huge financial mess in the overhaul involved in becoming a new country, and I had to renew my passport in April for another ten years and I cannot be arsed with getting a Scottish one before 2022 if I want to go anywhere. Haha.



Look Young Zeee


Its not your Problem
Have a German Sausage



No Passports do not have to be changed
that saves money.

Alex has until 2014-16
to win his Vote.

Scotland Needs This.

[Z]

LOL. I was born and raised in Scotland and will be back there permanently in June, it's definitely my problem. The passport thing was an example. There are plenty of things that would have to be changed, at the cost of the taxpayer, as part of a changeover to a new, separate country. Scotland doesn't need this, Scotland is in just as much of a financial crisis as the rest of the world and it makes no sense to be planning for something so expensive at this time. There's no need for it. We depend on the UK more than the UK depends on us. We'd be struggling financially and wouldn't necessarily have instant access to the EU. Everything about it is just so pointless. I'm fine with having a national identity within a country.

[Shasown]

Look Young Zeee


Its not your Problem
Have a German Sausage



No Passports do not have to be changed
that saves money.

Alex has until 2014-16
to win his Vote.

Scotland Needs This.

Passports would have to be changed if the then government of what was left of the UK threw their toys out of their cots and invalidated the passports of Scottish citizens.

Its all right Scotland voting for full independence, thinking that Europe and the UK in particular were still going to bankroll them, it isnt guaranteed to happen. Spain for one could and probably would veto Scotland's rights of entry in the EU.

The UK could insist on border controls, closure of UK defence assets. Import taxes on anything coming over the border even your favourite shortbread etc.

While there is a lot of anti English sentiment in some areas of the porridge ****, Scotland deciding to bin the UK could also generate a lot of anti jock sentiment in the UK.

The government might decide to keep control of the two major Scottish banks we currently as a united nation are supporting, or they might ask for the loans to be repaid immediately, that would pretty much bankrupt the country.

[arista]

Its to Early to worry about Passports.


Alex wants to be Mates with British
We will Trade with Scotland


No need to be so Negative

[arista]

LOL. I was born and raised in Scotland and will be back there permanently in June, it's definitely my problem. The passport thing was an example. There are plenty of things that would have to be changed, at the cost of the taxpayer, as part of a changeover to a new, separate country. Scotland doesn't need this, Scotland is in just as much of a financial crisis as the rest of the world and it makes no sense to be planning for something so expensive at this time. There's no need for it. We depend on the UK more than the UK depends on us. We'd be struggling financially and wouldn't necessarily have instant access to the EU. Everything about it is just so pointless. I'm fine with having a national identity within a country.


Yes I know Zee you a Good Spunky Scott.


It will all be Better
with Scotland on its own feet.
Its the only way.

And It Kills Labour
as they need Scotland more

Labour Dead - Utter Bliss

[Shaun]

As far as I see it it'd leave both countries worse off economically, and it seems to be fuelled by little more than petty nationalism and sore wounds from 400 years ago.

[MTVN]

Labour stand to lose more than the Conservatives do, politically at least, Cameron has far more chance of securing a majority government if Scotland leaves given their hostility towards his party and their lack of presence up north

[spitfire]

And what will the currency be?

[Shasown]

And what will the currency be?

The "Jimmy"?

The "Fud"?

The "Bawbag"?

[spitfire]

The "Jimmy"?

The "Fud"?

The "Bawbag"?

:joker:

[arista]

As far as I see it it'd leave both countries worse off economically, and it seems to be fuelled by little more than petty nationalism and sore wounds from 400 years ago.


No its not
its Time For Scotland to Stand up.


Not Petty its about Money
and Future.

You can still vist Zee
in the Republic Of Scotland.
it wil be Romantic

[Firewire]

i don't want to become independent

i'll become foreign to you guys what

[arista]

i don't want to become independent

i'll become foreign to you guys what


No Like Alex says
you will be our mates,

[spitfire]

No Like Alex says
you will be our mates,

What currency will you be using?

[GypsyGoth]

Will the union jack change if they leave?

[arista]

What currency will you be using?

Pounds

[arista]

Will the union jack change if they leave?

Of Course

[spitfire]

PoundsBritish ones, with the British Queen on?:joker:

[arista]

British ones, with the British Queen on?:joker:



Yes I am British.

[MTVN]

Salmond wants the Devolution Max option the cop-out :nono:

[arista]

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/About/General/2012/1/10/1326154779597/Steve-Bell-cartoon-004.jpg

[Lee.]

This made me laugh today..

YiIiXjjEcjE&gl

[arista]

Yes Great Animation.

[arista]

This made me laugh today..

YiIiXjjEcjE&gl



This should Win a Oscar

[arista]

A Stupid Scottish Labour MP
posted the Hitler Video About Alex.

He was a MP - Stupid Git
should have got someone else to do it

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/9017295/Labour-MP-Tom-Harris-forced-to-resign-as-Twitter-tsar.html


Va6r5Ez-VF8

[MTVN]

Was reading that earlier :joker: he only made it because some stupid SNP woman said the Tories and Labour were both anti-Scottish

[arista]

Was reading that earlier :joker: he only made it because some stupid SNP woman said the Tories and Labour were both anti-Scottish


not that simple.


MPs should never do that Hitler Video.


SNP can say what they want
its there land

[MTVN]

But it's a classic parody scene!

[arista]

Watching a BBC Dateline from the 14th
its great how the panel can laugh at Scotland and put Jokes like why is it 3 or 4 years wait
are the Scotts Dim?
Gavin Esler a Scott who presents the show said we are not Dim.

But both the French and Egyptian on the panel said Scotland is a viable nation on its own.

Alex trying everything like asking the 16 year olds to get the Right to Vote.

Scotland could be a hub to Important Even More to avoid England Taxes

[arista]

Alex has confirmed he will keep the Pound
not touching the near dead €uro.

Which is Very Wise.


(Ref Andrew Marr show today)

[arista]

Todays 50p The Scottish Sun On Sunday
has the Vote date
Saturday 18th October 2014

Bring It On.

[Lee.]

Spiffing :)

[arista]

http://tundratabloids.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/skintland1.jpg

Ch4News just had a debate on this Front Cover
with the Deputy First Minister of Scotland Nicola.

She wants more Debates
but respectful ones

[joeysteele]

I do really believe Alex Salmond is a good leader for Scotland,he does what he says he will which is rare for most politicians in the UK now.

However,I still cannot see the Scots voting for full independence. I also hope they don't as well.

[Lee.]

http://tundratabloids.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/skintland1.jpg

Ch4News just had a debate on this Front Cover
with the Deputy First Minister of Scotland Nicola.

She wants more Debates
but respectful ones

Bollocks, I meant to watch that! :mad:

[Jords]

Skintland :laugh3:

[Lee.]

It is actually hilarious Jords.

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/05/25/article-2149874-0BF0858A00000578-127_468x320.jpg

On all TV News today

Salmond’s powers of persuasion as he plots
a referendum in the autumn of 2014


Scottish independence would allow economy to grow, says Sturgeon
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2012/may/25/scotland-independence-economy-grow-sturgeon

[joeysteele]

For crying out loud, a campaign starting now for a vote in 2014, I would guess most people will be sick of hearing about the issue by then.

I am now more convinced than ever that the Scots will not vote for independence.I really hope they don't, I have Scottish ancestry on my Dad's side, with family living in Scotland and not a single one of them will be supporting independence.

[MTVN]

I don't think most Scots will want to leave, they get a pretty good deal from being in the Union really; quite a lot is spent on them, devolution has given them quite a lot of independent power as it is while still having a lot of influence in Westminster. Plus there'd be loads of questions to solve like what percentage of the debt they'd get, agreements would have to be come to over oil etc.

[arista]

For crying out loud, a campaign starting now for a vote in 2014, I would guess most people will be sick of hearing about the issue by then.

I am now more convinced than ever that the Scots will not vote for independence.I really hope they don't, I have Scottish ancestry on my Dad's side, with family living in Scotland and not a single one of them will be supporting independence.


Nothing Wrong with it.


At least it gives time to think about the Future
of a Free Scotland

[joeysteele]

Nothing Wrong with it.


At least it gives time to think about the Future
of a Free Scotland

I absolutely love politics and political issues but even I would be fed up of an over 2 year campaign going on about one issue.

As it is though, you have a valid point as ever as to a long campaign and making people think. Going on for so long will more likely lose support for independence rather than gain support in my view though.

A long or short campaign in my view and also my hopes, won't make any difference and I predict here and now a 62% to 38% vote saying 'no' to full independence from the rest of the UK by the Scots once they do finally vote.

David Cameron and Ed Miliband will be showing a rare strength of unity on this issue as firstly, David Cameron and the Conservatives will not want to be the party in power that saw a vote succeed for full independence under their watch.
Secondly,they also will in no way want to be the party in Govt that has to allow independence for Scotland,thereby splitting the UK up and by the same token neither will Ed Miliband and Labour want that to be the case should they win power in 2015 too.

[Z]

Almost everyone I've spoken to about it is opposed to it. There's no benefit to us becoming a separate country, not in black and white terms. It costs, we have no money or way to earn more of it, case closed.

[arista]

Almost everyone I've spoken to about it is opposed to it. There's no benefit to us becoming a separate country, not in black and white terms. It costs, we have no money or way to earn more of it, case closed.



Alex does not see it that way

On the Vote Day
we will see.

[lostalex]

Will the republic of Scotland be using the Euro like the republic of Ireland? or will they stick with the British Pound?

Joining the Euro doesn't seem like the brightest idea these days.

[arista]

Will the republic of Scotland be using the Euro like the republic of Ireland? or will they stick with the British Pound?

Joining the Euro doesn't seem like the brightest idea these days.

No they confirmed they Keep the Pound

[joeysteele]

No they confirmed they Keep the Pound

Then they will likely still have to have their interest rates set by the Bank of England in that case.

[arista]

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2012/10/10/197656/default/v1/ifront11oct-1-329x437.jpg

Good News for Scotland

[Nedusa]

If Scotland were to gain its full independence from the UK it would have serious consequences for England, the United Kingdom would be fatally wounded and in all probability would not survive as NI would actively seek reunification with the Republic of Ireland . Wales would then insist on full independence also as it would not want to be in a lopsided union of two with England.

With the demise of the UK our place on the world stage would be severely diminished, we would lose our place on the UN Security Council and our voting power across all UN committee's would be lessened. Our ability to trade would be affected as our economy would be smaller, our natural resources would also be reduced ie North Sea Oil would be now Scottish Oil etc.. Our borrowing costs from World Bank/IMF may increase as our economy shrinks. And our role in NATO and the EU would also diminish.

So I personally think TPTB will use all their guile and cunning to ensure an independence vote in 2015 is narrowly defeated thus keeping the Union safe. I think the pro union propaganda will be to paint such a bleak picture of Scotland if it left the UK, that it will frighten huge numbers of Scottish voters to vote to remain in UK.

[Cherie]

I personally would be very sad indeed if Scotland was fully independent,I love the Country and the people.My hope is that more in the devolution process can keep Scotland as part of the UK. I also still doubt the Scots would vote for full independence though.

Scotland,as has Wales and England too been badly served by Govts. of both major parties and now as they were turning a fair bit more to the Lib Dems, they have let them down badly too.

Alex Salmond is a really great leader for Scotland and has his finger far more on the pulse than near all Westminster politicians.

I am of Scottish ancestry on my Dad's side and Independent or not I will always look on the Scots as good people and a great Country. I just hope we all stay together though.

:joker:I can see you are going to be a great politician.

[the truth]

The thing that makes me smile about this that most English people I speak to can't wait for Scotland to be independent, most of us would positively enourage it. And yet, when an English person says, good, can't wait for it to happen, Scottish people don't see happy with that and would prefer us to be upset at the prospect.

Alex Salmond also said that they will "decided later whether or not Scotland will join the EU". Which will be quite a dilemma for all those Scottish people living and working in England who will suddenly need a visa to be able to visit England, let alone live and work here, as do other nationalities who's countries are not EU members.

There isn't the hatred from ordinary English people toward the Scottish that a lot of Scottish people harbour toward the English, mainly I think because the English are not still grimly hanging on to old slights inflicted on them by people hundreds of years dead, and for which the vast majority of English people were a) not responsible for and, b) did not profit from.

It's terrible a shame, our two countries have a long history where we've stood together many times. But I don't think there is anything that can be done to heal the rift now.

what a load of complete and utter tripe

[the truth]

Almost everyone I've spoken to about it is opposed to it. There's no benefit to us becoming a separate country, not in black and white terms. It costs, we have no money or way to earn more of it, case closed.

The scots have north sea oil, they also have vats areas of untapped land and resources, they have a thriving technology marketplace and the best education system in the world. If you look at their gdp figures theyve grown at a far faster rate than those in much of the rest of the UK since scotland had its parliament...the figures in north of england, northern ireland and wales have not been so encouraging, not sure why.

salmold and a fair number of scots are behind this independence. the idiots who think its just an anti english argument miss the whole point as always. although the disbanding of ancient scottish regiments on w whim at the expense of the queens regiments, is an argument salmond will use. this is about what these people think is best for scotland. as in several even smaller nations who have successfully broken away, many have benefitted hugely as a result. the scots have print their own money, have several worldwide brands, throw in the education, their own tax raising powers, world class education and training and hey presto you have a hugely respected nation able to compete. The scots who back independence, think the wya cameron handled europe was embarassing and 30 years out of date, they feel the long term project is with the eurozone.

I am not scottish at all, but theyre a great nation,with a magnificent proud history. I have always enjoyed doing business with scots and take their word over most other nationalities. The vats majority Ive dealt with (and Ive dealt with thousands in my various companies) are simple straightforward, smart, educated honest people. Everyone feels the same about scotland, beautiful country with a rich heritage and great people, thats the type of nation that will find invesotrs easier to come by.

[arista]

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2012/10/10/197656/default/v1/ifront11oct-1-329x437.jpg

Good News for Scotland


Yes it s Good News

[Sam:)]

Yes it s Good News
Are you having a conversation with yourself?
Anyway when/if Scotland splits it will leave to the breakdown of UK. NI will want an option to join ROI (which could go either way tbh)

[arista]

No its not predicted
that N.Ireland
people want this.
Many over there want to Stay
British.

[Firewire]

it won't happen. majority of people will vote no. case closed, simple as that.

[arista]

Maybe not everyone will vote
and all the 16 year olds may want a Free Scotland.

[Firewire]

i'm 17, and no one i know who is my age want to be independent.

[Firewire]

if scotland becomes independent, i'm moving to england.

[arista]

Thats OK
many will swap.

As Business Deals can change

[joeysteele]

I cannnot see at all the Scots voting to separate from the UK, I still go with at best whenever the referendum is held that around 62% minimum will vote 'no' to independence.

The thing I am really looking forward to as to this,is to see Conservative,Labour and Lib Dems all for once united in a common cause 'together' to fight to keep Scotland as part of the UK.

[arista]

Joey
many thought Labour would stay in power
in England
but they did not.


I of course , predicted a year before
Conservative - Lib Dem Power

2014-2015
so much can change by then.

[the truth]

we will raise the price of your shortbread and reduce the price in scotland

who is that gorgeous muscle woman in your avator?

[arista]

"Scotland to vote on leaving the Union
as David Cameron agrees referendum"
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scotland/scottish-politics/9609490/Scotland-to-vote-on-leaving-the-Union-as-David-Cameron-agrees-referendum.html

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2012/10/15/1350307433538/Alex-Salmond-and-David-Ca-008.jpg
The Deal is signed
for One vote by the end of 2014.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2012/oct/15/scottish-independence-referendum-cameron-salmond

[arista]

Billions Scotland will have
as they will split the Oil and Gas money
with the English. (Source : mondays BBC politics)

So with so much Rich money
loads of Scottish may vote.


2 years to go
as our times get Harder
the Republic Of Scotland
with the UK pound still,
could be a winner.

[michael21]

are you in Scotland arista

[arista]

No

But a Company is.

[arista]

Vote Confirmed as thursday Sept 18th 2014


http://news.sky.com/story/1067962/scotland-names-the-day-for-independence-vote

[Livia]

Great. I wish the English could vote on it too.

[arista]

Great. I wish the English could vote on it too.


Then he would Win , for sure

[Marc]

It's been nice knowing you Scotland

http://www.cardsandgifts-direct.co.uk/ekmps/shops/cardsandgifts/images/sorry-you-re-leaving-card-27209-p%5Bekm%5D233x436%5Bekm%5D.jpg

[joeysteele]

It won't matter when it is held, I have no doubt that the Scots will vote to remain in the UK.

[arista]

It won't matter when it is held, I have no doubt that the Scots will vote to remain in the UK.

To Early to say that.

As times get harder
they could Jump

[joeysteele]

To Early to say that.

As times get harder
they could Jump

I simply cannot see that at all, of the Scottish people I have spoken to it actually seems the longer and more they think about the issue the more they turn anti independence, not the other way round.

[arista]

I simply cannot see that at all, of the Scottish people I have spoken to it actually seems the longer and more they think about the issue the more they turn anti independence, not the other way round.


Sure.



But Lee on here
is for it , for example

[arista]

This made me laugh today..

YiIiXjjEcjE&gl



Posted by Lee

[Shasown]

Lee is one person, I live in Scotland I will have a vote in the referendum, I will vote to stay.

I have to admit in some elections I have voted SNP not for the independence issue but simply because they do have some other great policies: university fees, prescription charges, etc.

Salmond is being naive when he says Scotland would automatically be re-accepted back in the EU. That isnt so, EU lawyers, the last EU president and UK lawyers who work specifically with EU matters all say Scotland would have to reapply. But wee lec knows best.

Now what would happen is fishings quotas etc would stand till they lapse, so countries like Spain would insist on Scotland surrendering the rights to close off Scottish watersand even ask for them to reduce the Scottish fleet entirely. But again wee Alex knows best.

Whats left of the UK could veto, just a nasty message to Scotland. Would we be that vindictive?


And The English could ask for border restrictions to be put in place at EU and Scottish expense, as Scotland wouldnt be an EU country.

And forget about oil and gas, everyone thinks its a big earner, Scotland would have to renegotiate licence agreements with various oil companies when current ones expire. Until then current licences stand, it goes to the UK.

That in itself could be a bad move you see Oil companies are out for profit, pure and simple they can afford the best international lawyers in the world, Scotland could technically be closed down.(Bankrupted internationally).

One thing old Alex shouts down is the fact that Scotland receives more money from the UK than it contributes even with the money from North Sea oil and gas. (Google Barnett Formula)

Scotland as an independant nation cant go it alone, the country would bankrupt itself in a couple of years if not months. Alex lives in a dream world where the EU would pump money in, they wont! Scotland would just drain EU funds and there is enugh countries doing that already.

[joeysteele]

Sure.



But Lee on here
is for it , for example

I don't like talking as to Lee since she isn't here at present.
I really have massive and in fact endless respect for Lee and have had since joining the forum, I believe she is also a strong SNP supporter too, ( may be wrong on that though),however, I respect her decision and view that Scotland would be better independent if that is her strong feeling as to the issue.

Obviously not all the people I have even discussed this with who are Scots are all against independence but of them, for every 10, I would say only at the maximum 3 are in favour of it and would vote for it,the other 7 likely voting and being against.

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/07/07/article-2358017-1AB48D8E000005DC-693_634x424.jpg

United

I had to post this here
as a record on 7/7/2013

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/07/07/article-2357906-1AB47327000005DC-147_634x371.jpg
Sneaky

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/07/08/article-2357906-1AB48C37000005DC-402_634x520.jpg

PM : you oink
whats your game here?

[Nedusa]

Yes united, David thinking great win for British Tennis and Alex thinking great win for Scottish Tennis........!!!!

[Lee.]

Yes united, David thinking great win for British Tennis and Alex thinking great win for Scottish Tennis........!!!!

It IS a great win for Scottish tennis!

Look, we're pish at every sport! Please let us enjoy this one moment!

[LikeABoatOnWater]

Get scotland out, get scotland out.

[LikeABoatOnWater]

also the union is a 2 way thing. the rest of the uk should also get a referendum to vote scotland out. so if one of the referendums comes back with a yes for scottish independence then the scots are alone.

[Scarlett.]

I doubt the rest of the Union would choose to vote Scotland out if that happened, Scotland is a great benefit to the rest of the Union, if they leave it would be a great loss.

[Lee.]

also the union is a 2 way thing. the rest of the uk should also get a referendum to vote scotland out. so if one of the referendums comes back with a yes for scottish independence then the scots are alone.

Why do you think Westminster are against Scottish independence?

[LikeABoatOnWater]

I doubt the rest of the Union would choose to vote Scotland out if that happened, Scotland is a great benefit to the rest of the Union, if they leave it would be a great loss.

lol. the stats show that scotland is a burden on the rest of the uk and that the relationship is definitely not mutual. I agree that the rest of the uk wouldn't vote them out, but that just mainly down to the fact that people don't like change. I say kick scotland out and **** em over by not letting trade between scotland and other countries happen via uk unless they pay big bucks. no more freebies for scotland.

[Lee.]

lol. the stats show that scotland is a burden on the rest of the uk and that the relationship is definitely not mutual. I agree that the rest of the uk wouldn't vote them out, but that just mainly down to the fact that people don't like change. I say kick scotland out and **** em over by not letting trade between scotland and other countries happen via uk unless they pay big bucks. no more freebies for scotland.

Omg :laugh:

Could you show me these statistics please?

[LikeABoatOnWater]

Why do you think Westminster are against Scottish independence?

there not because theyre all about tradition.

[MTVN]

It was a pretty cynical stunt by Salmond, which apart from anything else was a breach of Wimbledon rules :idc: what a tit

[LikeABoatOnWater]

Omg :laugh:

Could you show me these statistics please?

http://money.uk.msn.com/blog/pounds-and-sense-blogpost.aspx?post=308b2b65-11f9-4e7f-95a5-32315c9e8f8a

[arista]

Get scotland out, get scotland out.



No its Free Scotland
let them stand on their own feet

[arista]

It was a pretty cynical stunt by Salmond, which apart from anything else was a breach of Wimbledon rules :idc: what a tit


Yes and what Luck
the PM was below him

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/07/07/article-2357906-1AB47327000005DC-147_634x371.jpg

[Lee.]

http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/the-staggers/2011/11/scotland-12288-union-public

[arista]

http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/the-staggers/2011/11/scotland-12288-union-public


"Scotland pays its way in the Union - it's time the London commentariat acknowledged that."



Yes Lee
a Very Valid Point

[Z]

Alex Salmond being a cock as per usual. I hate him.

[LikeABoatOnWater]

oh and can we start building hadrian's wall 2.0 now, so scotland and the uk pay 50% each. I don't want the uk to have to build it all by themselves in a few years time when all the staving scots invade northern england looting for food, because there country has gone tits up.

[arista]

oh and can we start building hadrian's wall 2.0 now, so scotland and the uk pay 50% each. I don't want the uk to have to build it all by themselves in a few years time when all the staving scots invade northern england looting for food, because there country has gone tits up.


No Wall needed

Scotland can be used to Import goods
(less tax to pay)


Then bring stocks down by train and roads

[arista]

Alex Salmond being a cock as per usual. I hate him.


No Zee
he is helping the Young in Scotland

[Nedusa]

I think the Scots should have complete independance and let them be in control of their Country in EVERY way. Out would go the free prescriptions, out would go the free further education, out would go the massive subsidies it currently receives from Westminister but it would be free and could set up its own economy with its own currency.

Of course it would have to re-negotiate its entry into the EU that might take a while and it would have to pay its own benefits to its unemployed etc... BUT I think Scotland deserves the chance to go it alone instead of being tethered to the England for the last 200 plus years.........!!!!

[Lee.]

I think the Scots should have complete independance and let them be in control of their Country in EVERY way. Out would go the free prescriptions, out would go the free further education, out would go the massive subsidies it currently receives from Westminister but it would be free and could set up its own economy with its own currency.

Of course it would have to re-negotiate its entry into the EU that might take a while and it would have to pay its own benefits to its unemployed etc... BUT I think Scotland deserves the chance to go it alone instead of being tethered to the England for the last 200 plus years.........!!!!

Our free prescriptions etc are safe. We already pay for them ourselves out of the pocket money we get back from the revenue we pay to Westminster. We do pay more than we receive back.

[Z]

No Zee
he is helping the Young in Scotland

No he isn't. He's helping his own agenda because he's a **** stirrer. All I've heard him confirm for the future of Scotland is the number of jobs he's closing down, and nothing about how he's going to replace those jobs or how he's going to bring revenue. Scotland benefits hugely from being part of a global power; I don't think people realise just how insignificant we would become in the event this charade actually becomes a reality. I'm not against independence, but I'm against this smarmy little prick running his mouth and getting his way.

[LikeABoatOnWater]

BUT I think Scotland deserves the chance to go it alone instead of being tethered to the England for the last 200 plus years.........!!!!

This isn't a "chance" once they have gone they have gone. no 2nd chances.

[LikeABoatOnWater]

No he isn't. He's helping his own agenda because he's a **** stirrer. All I've heard him confirm for the future of Scotland is the number of jobs he's closing down, and nothing about how he's going to replace those jobs or how he's going to bring revenue. Scotland benefits hugely from being part of a global power; I don't think people realise just how insignificant we would become in the event this charade actually becomes a reality. I'm not against independence, but I'm against this smarmy little prick running his mouth and getting his way.

I agree, all he wants is to go down in history as the 1st president of scotland.

[arista]

No he isn't. He's helping his own agenda because he's a **** stirrer. All I've heard him confirm for the future of Scotland is the number of jobs he's closing down, and nothing about how he's going to replace those jobs or how he's going to bring revenue. Scotland benefits hugely from being part of a global power; I don't think people realise just how insignificant we would become in the event this charade actually becomes a reality. I'm not against independence, but I'm against this smarmy little prick running his mouth and getting his way.



Zee
you are So Negative today

[arista]

I agree, all he wants is to go down in history as the 1st president of scotland.



I do not mind
I think its a great Idea.


He is keeping our pound
So I can stil trade with Scotland
on Imports/Exports


Life In The Fast Lane

[Lee.]

No he isn't. He's helping his own agenda because he's a **** stirrer. All I've heard him confirm for the future of Scotland is the number of jobs he's closing down, and nothing about how he's going to replace those jobs or how he's going to bring revenue. Scotland benefits hugely from being part of a global power; I don't think people realise just how insignificant we would become in the event this charade actually becomes a reality. I'm not against independence, but I'm against this smarmy little prick running his mouth and getting his way.

You do realise though that if we were to gain independence, salmons wouldn't automatically run the show? We'd have a general election to choose who'd run the country just the same ad we do now..

It's not just the SNP who are for independence; I was at a meeting recently chaired by the local "Scottish labour for independence" group.

Alex salmond is by far one of the most intelligent, economically minded MPs in Holyrood and Westminster and his only interest, whether he's smarmy or not, is a prosperous Scotland. I trust him completely

[Z]

Zee
you are So Negative today

This has been my opinion of him for years :laugh: my experiences with him are not good. He shut down the paper mill industry in Scotland, he'll make all the people working at Trident unemployed which affects some of my friends' families; the guy just wants to be the first leader of an independent Scotland. Surely the flag stunt at Wimbledon couldn't have made that any more obvious? Trying to turn a sporting triumph into a political statement. Bored of him.

[arista]

You do realise though that if we were to gain independence, salmons wouldn't automatically run the show? We'd have a general election to choose who'd run the country just the same ad we do now..

It's not just the SNP who are for independence; I was at a meeting recently chaired by the local "Scottish labour for independence" group.

Alex salmond is by far one of the most intelligent, economically minded MPs in Holyrood and Westminster and his only interest, whether he's smarmy or not, is a prosperous Scotland. I trust him completely


Well Said Lee

[LikeABoatOnWater]

Alex salmond is by far one of the most intelligent, economically minded MPs in Holyrood and Westminster and his only interest, whether he's smarmy or not, is a prosperous Scotland. I trust him completely

Your definitely right with that statement jaja.

[Z]

You do realise though that if we were to gain independence, salmons wouldn't automatically run the show? We'd have a general election to choose who'd run the country just the same ad we do now..

It's not just the SNP who are for independence; I was at a meeting recently chaired by the local "Scottish labour for independence" group.

Alex salmond is by far one of the most intelligent, economically minded MPs in Holyrood and Westminster and his only interest, whether he's smarmy or not, is a prosperous Scotland. I trust him completely

No, but if we gained independence, why on earth wouldn't he hold onto power? It's turned into a cult of personality; Alex Salmond and Nicola Sturgeon vs... well, nothing, because this is a non-issue. Scotland is not a repressed nation. Independence movements have to be grass roots to be effective. We are not living in a USSR or a Yugoslavia; we're living in the UK where we have all our rights. People aren't overly bothered because we've never had to be. If we were being bombed or being murdered for being Scottish, then this campaign would have a lot of traction behind it, but as it is, it's a fat man with a Cheshire cat grin on his face trying to stir up emotions that just don't exist, not really. I don't doubt that there are a lot of people who want independence for perfectly valid reasons; but at the heart of it, most people in Scotland won't see a huge change in their way of life, if any change at all, in the event of an independent Scotland. We won't suddenly become richer or more free or better off in any obvious way. For every "but we'd gain this!" point they've reeled off, I can think of a "but we'd lose that" point to counter it.

His campaign is artificial, it's not real. The people of Scotland do not want this. He didn't become the figurehead of a popular movement; he's a little man with a knack for provoking people, as all good politicians should, but I personally don't think people care enough about this. I'd laugh if turnout was so low on the day that the referendum had to be cancelled :laugh:. I'll be voting no on the day. If another politician were to come around ten, fifteen years down the line, and for all the right reasons wanted Scottish independence, I'd perhaps view things differently. I'm wholly unimpressed at the smear campaigns Salmond's party have been running to try and convince voters. Dubbing staying in the UK "Project Fear" and all this ****e - are they for real? It's so juvenile. It says a lot about their campaigning that they're resorting to insults rather than, you know, focusing on what they should be doing.

[Lee.]

Yes we have rights Greg, but don't you think it's a country's right to govern herself and make her own decisions?

[Nedusa]

As much as I would personally like to see Scotland gain full Independance from the UK (England) I think we all need a reality check folks....This aint ever gonna happen ....not tomorrow not next decade not ever........!!!!

There is too much Political and Economic and Military capital invested in the Union for it ever to be allowed to be dissolved by the votes of a few "jocks"......

All the many powerful institutions that exist that bind together the British way of life from the Royal Family through the armed forces through the establishment itself the very lifeblood of the state are based on the union of these 4 Countries. why do think N.Ireland is still part of the UK ? There is serious anger within certain parts of the population of this country at being tied to the UK and years of real bloodshed and terrorism, but it is still part of the UK today.......

Scotland is going nowhere and you would have to be pretty naive to think it was...!!!!

[Z]

Yes we have rights Greg, but don't you think it's a country's right to govern herself and make her own decisions?

We have a devolved parliament with some serious clout, that's far more say than Wales, England or Northern Ireland have within the United Kingdom; we're given those concessions because it's important to the UK to keep Scotland and it's a mutually beneficial relationship. As Nedusa says, it'd be naive to think Scotland is going to be allowed to become independent, not at least without a fight from the UK to keep all four nations together. Yeah it's flawed that a Conservative/Lib Dem coalition is running the country, but that's a fault of First Past The Post, not with the UK itself. If we switched to a PR form of voting, it'd be more representative though we'd almost always have coalition governments - but isn't that a good thing? Kinda veering off topic here but anyway...

I'm not in favour of an independent Scotland and I don't think there is a majority that is for independence. I think it's a small minority who want independence; in response to that some people have argued the benefits of the union (it's not like this is a two sided debate, because it isn't a debate really) and the vast majority of Scottish citizens just don't really care either way.

[MTVN]

Yes we have rights Greg, but don't you think it's a country's right to govern herself and make her own decisions?

How do you not have that though? Like Zee says Scotland have by far the most devolution of any of the constituent countries, plus Scots have historically been very well represented at Westminster and in government cabinets. And in any case we are all the same country which is the UK, and judging by all opinion polls there is a very solid majority of Scots in favour of keeping it that way

[arista]

There has been alot debates on the BBC (the vote is one year away)
this week
they keep saying what money will he use?

Salmond has Fecking Told you "The Pound"

wasting time
with questions that have a solid answer


This week BBC Radio 5

Ch4 news

SkyNewsHD

and BBC News just now - still saying what money?


BBC not giving fair views on the Debate

[Lee.]

Even BBC Scotland won't show fair views. Biased BBC :bored:

[Novo]

Ibrox will be rocking next year when Scotland don't get independence, No Tartan Army in Brazil and we'll be watching England and so will you getting sung at Ibrox this year along with GSTQ for 90 minutes next year, it will be music to my ears.

[arista]

Even BBC Scotland won't show fair views. Biased BBC :bored:


Yes that was on BBCNews Watchdog.



well done
Ch4News and SkyNewsHD

[arista]

The SNP Leader is Live on SkyNewsHD and BBCnews

[Shaun]

such a pointless endeavour.

[Samm]

How will it save us money

[arista]

such a pointless endeavour.


No Shaun
look at the Bigger Picture

[arista]

How will it save us money


Us in England
have No Say in this.


If we did he would Win fast.

[fingers]

I don't want the Scots to be independant for my own selfish reasons - I just simply like them being part of the UK because it makes the UK more diverse and built up. I absolutely love the Scottish, Welsh and Irish (and Manc) accents and think an accent automatically makes some people more interesting

Salmond is an Arsehole with a capital "A" he speaks for himself, NOT for the majority of Scots, AND he will not get his way in his dumb referendum.

Edit: Wee fat Eck has delusional dreams of "being a player" on the World's stage. Puir wee bastid!

[arista]

Ends with a Rock Guitar track

Well Done Alex.


26th of NOV
is the white paper.


But he will not get a PM debate
as its Not our affair

[Jesus.]

Flower of Scotland pisses all over GSTQ.
But then so does Land of our Fathers.

[Kizzy]

Does Scotland have oil?

[Lee.]

Yes, we do. Lots of it

[Kizzy]

Then no I don't think there should be independance for Scotland.

[Lee.]

Then no I don't think there should be independance for Scotland.

Erm.. Why not?

[Kizzy]

Because if there are resources on the Island they should be shared, once independent there might be those who are less willing to share.

[Lee.]

If we were independent, the revenue from oil would stay in Scotland rather than be handed to Westminster for them to hand back out as they see fit.

[Kizzy]

Exactly!

[arista]

If we were independent, the revenue from oil would stay in Scotland rather than be handed to Westminster for them to hand back out as they see fit.


Some of the Oil is in Waters
not Scotland.


Thats the UK Fight


Its a tricky balance
the Nov
White Paper from the SNP should help ,

[Lee.]

Exactly!

But if we were an independent country, why on earth would we be expected to share our resources?

[Lee.]

Some of the Oil is in Waters
not Scotland.


Thats the UK Fight


Its a tricky balance
the Nov
White Paper from the SNP should help ,
90% of the oil is in Scottish waters

There will be no fighting over that.

[Kizzy]

See, you're not even independent yet and it's 'us and them'...
Why wouldn't you?...

[Alf]

Flower of Scotland pisses all over GSTQ.
But then so does Land of our Fathers.
Are you a Snue Gliffer

[Kizzy]

90% of the oil is in Scottish waters

There will be no fighting over that.

The sea isn't Scottish... The clue is in the name Scot Land. :laugh:

[arista]

90% of the oil is in Scottish waters

There will be no fighting over that.


Thats up for Debate



It like BP put their own Cash into it
not Scotland

[arista]

The sea isn't Scottish... The clue is in the name Scot Land. :laugh:



Yes London
can be tricky.

[arista]

I want Scotland to be Free.

It will be great for Import /Export

[Lee.]

See, you're not even independent yet and it's 'us and them'...
Why wouldn't you?...

Lol.. Why WOULD we? As far as I know, countries don't "share" their resources as a gesture of goodwill?

[Jesus.]

Are you a Snue Gliffer

Just a lover of music. GStQ is a terrible dirge, but those other songs are melodic and stirring.

[Kizzy]

Just shows this 'kinship' thing goes out the window when discussing the old black gold.
England can shiver to death while the Scottish light their cigs with £500 pound notes?.....
Is that what you want Lee? coz that's worral appen...

[Lee.]

The sea isn't Scottish... The clue is in the name Scot Land. :laugh:

The sea off the coast of Scotland is indeed scottish water!

[Lee.]

Just shows this 'kinship' thing goes out the window when discussing the old black gold.
England can shiver to death while the Scottish light their cigs with £500 pound notes?.....
Is that what you want Lee? coz that's worral appen...

Lol.. Are you winding me up kizzy?? :suspect:

[Kizzy]

No not at all Lee, I'm just surprised at the 'I'm alright jack' attitude' is this how all Scots feel about their resources?

[fingers]

If Salmond guaranteed a huge reduction on the punitive duty on Scotch, he might have a chance in his dream of being the first Emperor of Scotland!

[Lee.]

No not at all Lee, I'm just surprised at the 'I'm alright jack' attitude' is this how all Scots feel about their resources?

Well go and phone Kuwait or something and ask if they'd mind sharing their oil revenue with you.. I reckon they'd be fine with that... :laugh:

[Lee.]

If Salmond guaranteed a huge reduction on the punitive duty on Scotch, he might have a chance in his dream of being the first Emperor of Scotland!

Why does everybody assume that Salmond would automatically run the show if we were to gain independence? We'd have a general election as normal to elect our government.. And guess what? We'd then be governed by people that the majority of scots have voted for... Which is not currently the case

[Novo]

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[Lee.]

What's your point Andy?

[Kizzy]

Well go and phone Kuwait or something and ask if they'd mind sharing their oil revenue with you.. I reckon they'd be fine with that... :laugh:

Who did HBOS and RBS ring when they needed bailing out?...

[Kyle]

They may take oooooooooooor oil,

But they'll never take ooooooooooor irn bru.

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[Novo]

What's your point Andy?

my point is the greatest thing to ever happen to your country is proud to be British and want to remain British so the rebels like you should follow his lead and stop this silly pointless mission to become Independent and also even in a dream world if you do become independent you can keep the bloody oil because in the real world Putin's Russia will soon have a vast amount of Oil from the Antarctic and we will be striking a deal with the good man himself

[Lee.]

Who did HBOS and RBS ring when they needed bailing out?...

Omg kizzy!! We're talking about becoming an INDEPENDENT nation.. Like almost every other country in the world. We will have our own resources and assets, our own government, our own economy... No country decides to just "share" their income. It's madness!

[Kizzy]

Omg kizzy!! We're talking about becoming an INDEPENDENT nation.. Like almost every other country in the world. We will have our own resources and assets, our own government, our own economy... No country decides to just "share" their income. It's madness!

Not yet Lee...... not yet :laugh:

[Novo]

not ever*

[Kizzy]

I agree, I doubt if any other part of the UK would cut any other part off if they could, nor should they.
I hope this isn't Alex salmonds plan?

[Lee.]

I agree, I doubt if any other part of the UK would cut any other part off if they could, nor should they.
I hope this isn't Alex salmonds plan?

Kizzy, if Scotland vote "yes" next year, we will be a completely seperate country! What is so bad about that?

[Kizzy]

I don't believe you could survive as a stand alone country for a start Lee, the oil reserves are a draw but would it be enough to maintain independence?
Can't post links but Cathy Newnans C4 news blog from 12 May 2011 has lots of relevant information on Scottish expenditure.
United we stand divided we fall as far as I can see.

[Lee.]

If you've got a spare half hour, and if you're interested, here's Alex Salmonds speech at the SNP conference

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[Lee.]

I don't believe you could survive as a stand alone country for a start Lee, the oil reserves are a draw but would it be enough to maintain independence?
Can't post links but Cathy Newnans C4 news blog from 12 May 2011 has lots of relevant information on Scottish expenditure.
United we stand divided we fall as far as I can see.
You don't believe we'd survive as an independent country? Why? Are we too small? Too stupid? Do we not have any natural resources? Do we have nothing to export? No tourism? Why? Why would we not survive when, if we take oil and gas into account, Scotland is one of the wealthiest European countries?

[Toy Soldier]

The main problem with the union is that Scotland as a population has a far more socialist mindset than the UK as a whole. For example - Scotland has never voted for a conservative government. Not ever. And yet Scottish citizens, services and infrastructure have suffered at the hands of several Tory governments who are firmly focussed on London and The South of England. That is a problem, in my eyes... It's a country of several million being ruled 50% of the time by a government that they did not vote for by a country mile. Tory governments docnot represent the interests and political standpoints of Scottish people. This is not democracy.

HOWEVER, both countries benefit immensely from the easy trade between countries within the Union and shared resources... This is fairly clear.

Personally I think Scottish people would be best served by an "ultimate devolution" - preserving the Union but allowing the Scottish government larger control over the spending of taxes raised north of the border, and full control over social policies such as welfare, especially housing. Although that would of course open up a can of worms re: benefits "tourism" from south of the border, but then again, the "three years residence" policy that applies to student university funding (Scottish students don't pay fees, English do, English people must have been resident in Scotland for 3 years to qualify for this) works perfectly well and so could apply in the same way to out-of-work benefits fairly easily? With in-work benefits being unaffected.

[Kizzy]

I am interested but can't watch you tube on this mobile :(
I have heard he is a great motivator, but as good a showman as he is splintering the UK is risky.

[fingers]

Just to clarify, would we be asking to join the Commonwealth as well as the EU?

Edit: GEstgTAXyec

[Kyle]

I tell you this if Scotland votes for independence I am boycotting Lorne Square sausages and Tunnocks tea cakes, so that's £3.89 a month less into the Scottish economy. With those kind of losses you guys are gonna have to make a Braveheart II or something to plug the gap.

[Toy Soldier]

I tell you this if Scotland votes for independence I am boycotting Lorne Square sausages and Tunnocks tea cakes

Not Irn Bru though?

[fingers]

I tell you this if Scotland votes for independence I am boycotting Lorne Square sausages and Tunnocks tea cakes, so that's £3.89 a month less into the Scottish economy. With those kind of losses you guys are gonna have to make a Braveheart II or something to plug the gap.

You'd probably not be able to buy them anyway, London would put a prohibitive import duty on them!

[Kyle]

Not Irn Bru though?

I'm sorry irn bru is just too good I can't boycott that. It's shame we don't get them in the glass bottles down here that you guys get, that was always my highlight of seeing my family up in Livingston as a kid!

[Kyle]

You'd probably not be able to buy them anyway, London would put a prohibitive import duty on them!

Then Yorkshire will demand a referendum too! Those poncy Tory boys and their jellied eels have meddled with our affairs for too long!

[fingers]

I'm sorry irn bru is just too good I can't boycott that. It's shame we don't get them in the glass bottles down here that you guys get, that was always my highlight of seeing my family up in Livingston as a kid!

I haven't seen a glass bottle of Irn Bru since it was forced to rename from Iron Brew!!

Edit: ....and who forced the name change?

[Kyle]

I haven't seen a glass bottle of Irn Bru since it was forced to rename from Iron Brew!!

Edit: ....and who forced the name change?

Really? My Grandad has loads Of empty bottles in his cellars, he told me you could get a bit of your money back by handing the bottles back in.

[fingers]

Really? My Grandad has loads Of empty bottles in his cellars, he told me you could get a bit of your money back by handing the bottles back in.

That was back when Kay Starr was topping the charts!

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[Kyle]

That was back when Kay Starr was topping the charts!

Haha that's a shame for him, he would probably be a rich man now if he could :joker:

[fingers]

Haha that's a shame for him, he would probably be a rich man now if he could :joker:

At 3 Old Pence a bottle he'd need a cellar the size of Edinburgh castle!

[Kyle]

At 3 Old Pence a bottle he'd need a cellar the size of Edinburgh castle!

:joker:

[Lee.]

You still get money for taking your glass bottles back!! It's 30p now though! :amazed:

[Kyle]

You still get money for taking your glass bottles back!! It's 30p now though! :amazed:

Do they not sell them anymore though Lee?

[fingers]

You still get money for taking your glass bottles back!! It's 30p now though! :amazed:

That's 6 shillings in REAL money!

[Cherie]

You still get money for taking your glass bottles back!! It's 30p now though! :amazed:

I love that you can still do that.

[Kyle]

I really hope you still sell them, If you do I'll have to pop into the centre next time I'm in livi and relive old times.

[Lee.]

Do they not sell them anymore though Lee?

Yeah the chippy sells glass bottles. I always get barrs red cola

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_bT8TXbnBAyw/S_guQMvwYSI/AAAAAAAAAAw/boQaQzw9aB8/s1600/Barr_Red-Kola_750ml_FS.jpg

[Kyle]

Never tried that, what's it taste like?


Reminds me of Tizer looking at it.

[fingers]

As an independent country, this presupposes that this NEW country will need a new currency even if they decide to call it the "Pound". ALL Countries have their own currency, don't they?

[Lee.]

I can't really describe what it tastes like.. Like a little bit of heaven maybe? Especially with a smoked sausage supper :love:

[fingers]

I can't really describe what it tastes like.. Like a little bit of heaven maybe? Especially with a smoked sausage supper :love:
Yeah, sounds like "Tizer, the appetizer".