American Horror Story: Coven

[reece(:]

I'm glad it's not *as* scary as I'd expected it to be since I hate horrors. :laugh:

[reece(:]

Ep 7 synopsis
Fiona finds new purpose in a dangerous love affair. A night out with LaLaurie leads Queenie to question her place in the Coven. Cordelia makes a fateful decision about her mother.

No mention of Madison in this episode either.. :(

[Smithy]

I'm glad it's not *as* scary as I'd expected it to be since I hate horrors. :laugh:

I'm like that too, it seems more like a thriller with a horror twist

[reece(:]

I'm like that too, it seems more like a thriller with a horror twist
With a large douse of mystery. :)

[james130]

Only one more season for J. Lange. :(

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2473673/Jessica-Lange-reveals-plans-retire-acting--just-season-American-Horror-Story.html

[Glenn.]

I thought this season was going to be her last. It seems she'll be around for season 4 :worship::love:

[james130]

I hope they make her the 'big-bad' for her last season.
eg. Rubber Man/Bloody Face
but give her a bigger role than those two.

[Glenn.]

I think she's done the baddie part with Jude in S2 though. I liked the development of her character in Asylum. The last episode was perfect :love:

[Novo]

Is it really 6 episodes in already in the US? i have only just watched the first episode now.. didn't realise we were so far behind

[Niamh.]

Is it really 6 episodes in already in the US? i have only just watched the first episode now.. didn't realise we were so far behind

No, I don't think so, I think they're only up to Episode 3 now

[Novo]

Ah right thats okay then, just saw Reece's post about Episode 7 and thought that was the next episode

[Smithy]

OH MY GOD AT THAT EPISODE

Madison :sad:

[Niamh.]

ahhh feckin spoilers, can't watch it till later

[Smithy]

the episode was ****ed up i can't even http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/ed2305b7.png

[Niamh.]

in a bad way or a good way? hhhmmm don't tell me

[Smithy]

as in crazy i can't believe they're showing this

[Braden]

That episode was tense to say the least...

A lot of ****ed up **** going on.

[DrunkerThanMoses]

:o Cant wait to watch it

[reece(:]

I called it!!!!

[reece(:]

dat Misty bitch better bring Madison back to life and WTAF Queenie.... Kyle..... I can't

[Donovan.]

That episode.
That scene where Madame LaLaurie is crying as she watches Obama speak was actually hilarious, but most of the rest was so uncomfortable to watch. Poor Kyle :( and Queenie I just don't even know what to think about that.
Madison:( I knew she would die, but I was actually starting to like her.

[Smithy]

Queenie is obv thirty as fuq

[Ammi]

..I preferred Kathy Bates in the first episode when she was Madame LaLaurie, the Obama scene was funny but I don't want them to turn her into a 'comical character', she's best when she's sadistic..Kyle's mum..:shocked:..and the ending when she slit Madison's throat..!!!!!!....it was a good episode..

[DrunkerThanMoses]

Anyone else got the strange feeling that the daughter trying to get pregnant story-line might take a even more bizarre twist and the husband ends up carrying the baby?

[Smithy]

nope :laugh:

[DrunkerThanMoses]

Just me then I guess. I just think it will be a cruel twist, she is so desperate to get pregnant and her husband ends up becoming pregnant

Think I seen too many episodes of this show

[Tom4784]

It was a good twist at the end but I don't believe for a second that Madison will stay dead, she's a series regular so she'll be back in some form or another.

Also this episode was incredibly ****ed up.

[Niamh.]

Anyone else got the strange feeling that the daughter trying to get pregnant story-line might take a even more bizarre twist and the husband ends up carrying the baby?

well that would be mighty strange :laugh:

But yeah hhhmmm I don't know If I liked that episode it was a bit ****ed up

[reece(:]

It was a good twist at the end but I don't believe for a second that Madison will stay dead, she's a series regular so she'll be back in some form or another.

Also this episode was incredibly ****ed up.
I was waiting for some sick **** to happen.

[reece(:]

Interview with Ryan Murphy
[SPOILER ALERT IF YOU HAVEN’T SEEN THE LATEST AMERICAN HORROR STORY: COVEN!!!!!]

Sex with a minotaur. Goat blood fertility spells. Patti LuPone. Episode 3 of American Horror Story: Coven, titled “The Replacements,” certainly was not boring. EW talked to co-creator Ryan Murphy about all the witchy details as well as what’s in store for next week’s two-part Halloween episode (Zombies!!!!).

ENTERTAINMENT WEEKLY: I loved the flashbacks with Christine Ebersole as the Supreme before Fiona. Will we see her again?

RYAN MURPHY: There are flashbacks with her for sure. There’s a great flashback with her and Angela Bassett that’s set in 1970.

We get to see a young Fiona and it made me wonder, will we get to see Cordelia’s father?

We have talked about that. We don’t know for sure. I’m interested in it but I don’t know that’s really the story. Maybe, maybe not.

Spalding and Fiona clearly have a long history together.

They do. There’s almost an entire act in episode 4 that answers questions like, how did Fiona become the youngest Supreme in the history of the Coven and why does Fiona hate Myrtle so much? Why is Spalding so apparently willing to be Fiona’s right-hand man? There are big flashbacks in the episode.

And does that involve why he has no tongue?

Oh yes.

I remember I asked Denis O’Hare on set how Spalding compares to Larry the Burn Man and Denis said he’s even more twisted.I said to Denis, “In a very early episode, Denis, you’ll be having to wear a granny bonnet and a Kabuki nightgown.” And he said, “Okay, I’m in.” And you see that in the next episode. I think it’s such a great part for Denis, who’s so articulate. It’s almost like he’s in his own silent movie. We do show in the flashback the origins of the tongue loss and the speaking. He’s this silent sentinel.

I feel like this episode really ratcheted up the twists. It appears Queenie is entering into a sexual relationship with the minotaur — is that correct?

Well, I think that Queenie would like to be in a sexual relationship, not just with the minotaur. I think she wants to be accepted. I think what happens to her and the minotaur is also revealed in episode 4.

I didn’t know if it was a friends with benefits thing.

[Laughs] It doesn’t end well is all I will say.

We saw a somewhat darker side to Misty (Lily Rabe). Is it safe to say there’s a more malevolent side to her?

Yes, I think there is. I love that scene. I think she really just wants to belong. I’m very interested in that character because I think she’s representative of the minority group exploration we’re doing this year. I think she feels isolated with her beliefs. But I do think Misty is not just a shawl-twirling lady of the bog. I think that she’s maybe in many ways the most dangerous of them all because I think she has the greatest power of them all. You’ll see her grow into that this season.

We met Patti LuPone’s Joan in this episode. Is her son interested in Nan (Jamie Brewer)?

Yes. I think that he is a good boy who is drawn to a good, clean heart and I think of all those girls, Nan is in many ways the most like him. We haven’t seen Nan’s backstory yet but we will. I think she is in many ways the most innocent, kind and trusting and I think he’s drawn to those qualities of his own. I love that story. That actually becomes something in the next Halloween part one and two that I really think is quite special.

You had teased the Cordelia/fertility spell last week. So that goat thing is a real spell?!

Oh yeah. All the stuff we have in the show is researched. That said, I don’t know many women who have gone to the goat slaughter/in vitro. There was no one we could talk to. We had to base it on our research.

I was thinking Sarah Paulson has had it so easy this season compared to Asylum. But then she had goat’s blood dripped into her vagina. Was that a crazy day on set?

It was crazy. I think Angela really loved that scene. And Sarah I can’t say she enjoyed it but she gave it her all. Her story really ramps up in episode 4. Big plot point.

Are we going to find out why Cordelia is so intent on having a baby? Or is it just because Fiona was a horrible mother?

Yes, there’s that, and that idea that when you have a child, you can sort of heal yourself. But I’ve said it before I was not really interested in that happening. So that pregnancy thing and the voodoo thing are about a longing to be a normal person in a normal marriage. But then in the next episode you will see it goes horribly, horribly awry.

Speaking of horribly awry, Kyle’s resurrection does not go well. Obviously he killed his mother, which is not great.

[Laughs] I always loved the Frankenstein story because I love the idea of when you are created from parts of many people, I like the sort of mystical part of it that those personality traits are literally part of your body. Obviously, Kyle in that bus crash was with those horrible frat boys who did those horrible violent things. He’s created from those things that he detested. So his season-long arc is about him trying to control these horrible dark impulses that are not of him and yet he’s been dealt this bad hand. Also, he’s like a child now. He’s like a little baby Frankenstein just learning how to walk. Evan worked a lot on that stuff.

I love that you got Jessica Lange to play pool. I just love her in designer gown, shooting pool with Emma Roberts.

And slinging back some bourbon! I love that too.

What can you say about next week’s episode?

Episode 4 is called “Fearful Pranks Ensue.” Kathy Bates is very confused about Halloween and when she finds out it’s Halloween she wants to go out and burn a bonfire in the front yard to keep the evil spirits away. We’re doing a real Marie Laveau/white zombie tribute. I recently watched again that movie I Walked with a Zombie. I always loved that movie and the voodoo zombies are very different from The Walking Dead zombies. It’s a very gripping two-parter.

So we’re going to see voodoo zombies on American Horror Story?

You are. Specifically you’re going to see Madame LaLaurie’s three horrible daughters brought back. In part 5, the second part, there’s a brilliant thing that I love of Kathy Bates. You see how Madame LaLaurie used to celebrate Halloween — she had her own chamber of horrors in her dining room that she would make her Halloween ball guests go into.

It also is really about how the character of Zoe really comes into her own and helps save the coven.

So does Zoe defend the coven from the zombies?

Yes, and with Madison out of the way I think all of the remaining girls are like, ‘Well was Madison the Supreme?’ So there’s that battle to stop Jessica. We get into that a bit. Cordelia has a horrible, horrible event that may be one of the hardest things Sarah Paulson has ever shot, which is saying something on this show. It’s plucked from the headlines!

Will we discover who the new Supreme is before the end of the season?

You know I’m not sure. I know who it is but I’m not sure how we’re going to lay that out.

[Me. I Am Salman]

What a strange ep
Can someone explain what happened in the end please, I didn't quite catch the conversation

[Me. I Am Salman]

That episode.
That scene where Madame LaLaurie is crying as she watches Obama speak was actually hilarious, but most of the rest was so uncomfortable to watch. Poor Kyle :( and Queenie I just don't even know what to think about that.
Madison:( I knew she would die, but I was actually starting to like her.

the Obama bit made me laugh too omg :joker:

[Smithy]

What a strange ep
Can someone explain what happened in the end please, I didn't quite catch the conversation

Fiona was pretending to try to get madison to kill her, knowing that she'd freak out and wouldn't and she used it as an opportunity to "accidentally" kill who she thinks the next supreme is

[reece(:]

Madison better raise from the dead!

And loving the HBIC Laveau :love:

[Me. I Am Salman]

Fiona was pretending to try to get madison to kill her, knowing that she'd freak out and wouldn't and she used it as an opportunity to "accidentally" kill who she thinks the next supreme is

what's significant about the next supreme

[Smithy]

they're the most powerful witch in the coven, if it's madison, it means it's not fiona anymore, and she's clearly a bit power mad

[reece(:]

& Fiona doesn't want to die/age

[Me. I Am Salman]

Ohh ok I thought her storyline was just wanting to live forever

[Smithy]

yeah, so that she can stay the supreme

[Novo]

I have only seen 1 episode and the theme tune has been stuck in my head all day

[Smithy]

the lalala bit?

[reece(:]

The opening titles are sooooo amazing.

[MeMyselfAndI]

Madison was my fave character :(

I love the 'La La La La' song that constantly plays

[MeMyselfAndI]

omg how weird that the la la la la thing was just mentioned

[reece(:]

Madison was my fave character :(

I love the 'La La La La' song that constantly plays
She's got to be back she's main cast :shocked:

[Novo]

the fat black girl reminds me of the black girl in the famous gif where she looks like she is about to murder someone and drinking something from a glass

[reece(:]

When do we find out how the 3rd episode did ratings wise?

[Smithy]

We get the overnights straight away, it was 3.8, but they're usually really inaccurate, like it was 4.8 for episode 2 but the official numbers show that it was the same as the premiere, US ratings are really confusing cause they do it in demographics

With week-over-week increases in time-shifted viewing nearly doubling (Live+3), the second episode of American Horror Story: Coven, "Boy Parts" (10/16/13), posted a spectacular performance and set a record for the highest delivery of Adults 18-34 of any program in FX's history. Week 2 of Coven, featuring Broadway vet Patti Lupone, delivered 2.95 million Adults 18-34 topping its debut episode 2.92 million (Live+3) in the demo, and all FX telecasts inclusive of Live+7.

Inclusive of Live+ 3 data, episode 2 of American Horror Story: Coven delivered 7.12 million Total Viewers and 4.98 million Adults 18-49, just -2% off from the premiere episode. Coven is averaging 7.2 million Total Viewers, 5.03 million Adults 18-49, and 2.93 million Adults 18-34, which are respective gains of +49% in Total Viewers, +41% in Adults 18-49 and +33% in Adults 18-34 of American Horror Story: Asylum (Live+3 to Live+3 comparison). Coven's gains over American Horror Story: Murder House are significantly higher with increases of +89% in Total Viewers, +90% in Adults 18-49, and +97% in Adults 18-34.

[reece(:]

7.2 million on a satellite channel?! :shocked:

[Smithy]

Is FX satellite in the US? idk

[Novo]

not sure actually i know Fox, ABC, NBC and CBS i think are the main 4

[reece(:]

It is.. I think

FX (standing for "Fox extended", suggesting "effects") is an American basic cable and satellite television channel

[Shaun]

As of August 2013, approximately 97,157,000 American households (85.08% of households with television) receive FX

compared to HBO's 30m (according to September 2012)

[reece(:]

I come bearing good news
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The final scene in this week’s episode, however, when Fiona broke down and admitted she was dying and being stripped of all of her gifts, courtesy of burgeoning Supreme Madison, the audience saw a softer side of Ms. Montgomery. “When I agreed to do the role, I was like, ‘Even if on paper, she might not be likable, I have to do certain things to make her a little bit likable and have redeeming qualities.’ And I tried to do that because I didn’t want to just do the quintessential bitchy thing,” Roberts said. “I like that everyone was kind of on board with that because as the show goes on, you’ll see different sides of her … What I love about American Horror Story is, I feel like with every single character on the show, no one’s good and no one’s bad. Everyone has kind of the good angel and the devil on their shoulders.”
But good or bad, what could be next for what looked like a very dead Madison Montgomery. “We don’t even know what our characters are going to end up being ultimately,” Roberts said. “I think that’s what makes it so great is we’re all playing our characters one way and then we’ll get a script and we’re like, ‘Oh, so this happens.’”
Production recently wrapped on Episode 8 of Coven’s 13-episode run and, according to Roberts, fans better buckle up. “There are so many surprises. I mean, when I was reading upcoming scripts, my mouth was open. I was like, ‘(Gasps.) Oh my god!’ I definitely gasped more than once,” she said. “Just when you think you know where things are going, it just goes the other way.”

[Ammi]

I come bearing good news
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The final scene in this week’s episode, however, when Fiona broke down and admitted she was dying and being stripped of all of her gifts, courtesy of burgeoning Supreme Madison, the audience saw a softer side of Ms. Montgomery. “When I agreed to do the role, I was like, ‘Even if on paper, she might not be likable, I have to do certain things to make her a little bit likable and have redeeming qualities.’ And I tried to do that because I didn’t want to just do the quintessential bitchy thing,” Roberts said. “I like that everyone was kind of on board with that because as the show goes on, you’ll see different sides of her … What I love about American Horror Story is, I feel like with every single character on the show, no one’s good and no one’s bad. Everyone has kind of the good angel and the devil on their shoulders.”
But good or bad, what could be next for what looked like a very dead Madison Montgomery. “We don’t even know what our characters are going to end up being ultimately,” Roberts said. “I think that’s what makes it so great is we’re all playing our characters one way and then we’ll get a script and we’re like, ‘Oh, so this happens.’”
Production recently wrapped on Episode 8 of Coven’s 13-episode run and, according to Roberts, fans better buckle up. “There are so many surprises. I mean, when I was reading upcoming scripts, my mouth was open. I was like, ‘(Gasps.) Oh my god!’ I definitely gasped more than once,” she said. “Just when you think you know where things are going, it just goes the other way.”


..more bizarre than the last episode..:amazed:...Oh My God....!!!...

[reece(:]

..more bizarre than the last episode..:amazed:...Oh My God....!!!...
Yes it can tend to get awry often :joker:

[HD]

i don't think it's been that good so far, I prefer Asylum but I'll stick with it :hugesmile:

[Donovan.]

The storyline has had a lot more to it, but I feel like the quality of Asylum's story was better. Like it actually got me thinking about stuff. It was deep.

[reece(:]

Apparently she's returning (young Moira from S1) :amazed:
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[reece(:]

W T F just happened with that episode.

[reece(:]

3G_MwARgyjg

[Ammi]

W T F just happened with that episode.

..OMG, don't tell me...:amazed:..I'll watch it later, surely it couldn't get any more messed up than last week....

[Donovan.]

That was kind of a weird episode all together.

I really liked all of the exaggerated scenes (Madison with the stethoscope, that counsel, Nan stepping out of nowhere and saying that she called them, Queenie's answers to their questions), but there was a lot that happened. Like too much almost. As soon as it was over I forgot most of the beginning. Kind of a disjointed episode, in the moment though, while watching, it was really enjoyable. Poor Cordelia.

[Smithy]

Omg twist after twist -falls on the floor-


surely nan knows that Fiona killed Madison though

[DrunkerThanMoses]

Found that episode to be a bit of a disappointment.

Next week looks a lot better

[Braden]

Another episode that I really enjoyed!

The opening was probably the scariest I have ever seen in AHS because of the horror of knowing that it genuinely happened to people.

It was brilliant to see Frances Conroy, I loved the involvement of the council and seeing a back-story to Fiona and Myrtle's relationship. I'm glad that Hank is relevant now, a plot-line seems to me materializing a lot more.

I don't know how I feel towards how much of a villian they're making of Leveau and how they seem to be characterizing LaLaurie in a good light.

and omg what is going to happen to Cordelia, I love her as a character... no Misty either this episode :(

[Jesus.]

A good episode that added back story and history to the place, which was probably needed after last weeks episode. I think this season is building spectacularly.

[Me. I Am Salman]

I need to find a stream that works on iPad :'(

[Ammi]

A good episode that added back story and history to the place, which was probably needed after last weeks episode. I think this season is building spectacularly.

..I'm not sure where the character of Madamme LaLaurie is going to...in modern times she doesn't seem to have any relevance because she has no powers of magic, she was just extremely sadistic..but now she seems almost a comedy character...

[Smithy]

I need to find a stream that works on iPad :'(

Tubeplus.me works for iPad

[MeMyselfAndI]

Good episode, but my least favorite episode yet. I think it's suffering from Madison being gone tbh

[Me. I Am Salman]

Tubeplus.me works for iPad

omg yay that site is really good thanks :D

[reece(:]

Cordelia :c
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[reece(:]

and... :amazed:
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[Ammi]

Cordelia :c
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..poor Cordelia..:sad:...

[Tom4784]

It was probably the best episode so far,it had a lot more focus than the others and it probably benefitted from a lack of Zoe.

[james130]

Cordelia. :(
Need it to be next week already.

Also Breckenridge is boring and always plays 'the other woman who gets killed' for gods sake, bring back Kate Mara!

[MeMyselfAndI]

Best episode? Lol

[reece(:]

http://vt.tumblr.com/tumblr_mvjq7nC0FY1qefwl8.mp4#_=_ <3

[reece(:]

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[reece(:]

Next ep synopsis (HOLYHELL!)

1832: Madame LaLaurie’s daughters can’t bear much more of their terrifying mother… and make the mistake of saying so within earshot.

Today: Fiona is devastated when Cordelia suffers a crippling attack, and, at the hospital, breaks down with guilt over all the love she never gave her daughter – a guilt she manifests in unnerving ways. At the Academy, the girls, LaLaurie, Spalding and Luke find themselves besieged by Marie Laveau’s zombie army… and LaLaurie finds herself confronted by old ghosts. Luke is trapped outside, and Nan tends to him while others attempt to barricade themselves in an upstairs room. As Queenie and LaLaurie find themselves unexpected allies, Zoe turns the tide of the advancing zombie horde when she suddenly unleashes a new power. Back at the hospital, Hank comes to see Cordelia, only to be faced with Fiona’s fury… and things may never be the same between him and Cordelia, who has been changed in more ways than one. The next day, the Council, led by Myrtle, return to demand that Fiona step down as the Supreme of her Coven and turn over control to the Council until such time as the new Supreme manifests. Fiona’s struggle with Myrtle to retain control of the Coven involves many secrets – some of them Myrtle’s, some of them Fiona’s… and another member of the Coven finds herself with a disturbing new secret of her own. But the results of this power struggle may not be as clear-cut as they seem, as another witch makes a return appearance.

[Niamh.]

I loved that episode

[reece(:]

Oh my gosh.....

The Problem With Queenie on American Horror Story
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To be honest much of the time I hate watch American Horror Story. From season one it has been filled with racism, sexism, homophobia and ableism. When I learned that Gabourey Sidibe had been cast, a shiver of dread went down my spine. Though Sidibe is an Oscar nominated actress and is extremely talented the fact that she is fat, dark skinned Black woman had little chance of resulting in a well rounded character. While I am not surprised with the hot mess that Queenie has become, I am disgusted. Why bother getting an actress who is so talented and then reduce her character to a cheap stereotype?

American Horror Story: Coven has taken Queenie and run down a positive bingo card of racist and fatphobic stereotypes and portrayals.

She is loud, angry and, yes, sassy - the trifecta of a cookie cutter Sapphire character. Snarky, loud and angry, she just needs some finger snaps and to talk about wig snatching.

Her signature power is being a human voodoo doll - which is problematic on many levels. First of all, the “voodoo doll” is not a major factor of Voudoun, or wasn’t before Hollywood got its hands on the religion and decided to transpose one of the most well known aspects of European witchcraft. The use of a poppet to transfer effects onto a person is an ancient tradition in many branches of European magical beliefs - in Voodoo? Not so much. But it remains the most stereotypical “Black people” magic that television and our general culture know of - Voodoo is Black people magic. Voodoo = Voodoo dolls so of course the Black witch will have a Voodoo Doll power.

It has the added bonus of reducing Queenie to an object and forces her to graphically mutilate herself (even if the wounds disappear) to fight her enemies.

This bodily destruction is especially poignant because Queenie is fat and fat people are coded to hate their bodies - which includes Queenie. While Queenie describes her virginity as her “waiting”, she is clearly lonely, unhappy and looking for companionship and a relationship. Relationships that are considered beyond her, even comically, because of her weight. She even overtly talks about her weight and her eating as being because she is unhappy, lonely and abandoned - that food is a comfort to her. Queenie can’t just be a fat character, she can’t be a happy fat character - she has to be miserable in her fatness, her eating is portrayed almost as a form of self-harm and rarely does an episode go by without one character commenting on her weight in a mocking and derogatory fashion.

And on top of all that, her backstory involves her, a Black woman, fighting with a Black man over fried chicken. Chicken. Seriously, it could have been anything in the world and American Horror Story chose to have Black people fighting over chicken. We should be grateful there wasn’t a watermelon dessert and a fifth of malt liquor as a drink, I suppose.

It only took until the third episode for American Horror Story to cross an extreme line. When LaLaurie is threatened by the minotaur she created, Queenie jumps up to help. Queenie went on a tour of LaLaurie’s house and is well aware of the crimes this woman committed - not only that but LaLaurie has hurled racist abuse and even physically attacked Queenie.
Queenie could have thrown LaLaurie out to the minotaur, she could have turned her back, but instead Queenie channeled Mammy and decided to help this woman who tortured scores of Black slaves for the sadistic pleasure of it. Not only did Queenie help LaLaurie, she risked her safety to protect her by going outside. Why are we alway getting the stories in the media of Black people rushing to protect hateful bigots? We don’t even get a proper explanation as to why Queenie would decide to help LaLaurie.

Things go from bad to worse when Queenie gets outside. She doesn’t use her magical powers to disable the minotaur, no, Queenie starts to frantically masturbate. But wait, what’s wrong with masturbation you say? Well, honestly, nothing but when it is done by a fat Black woman who has been portrayed as unloveable, while she croons for a half beast man to have sex with her, well, that’s just (say it with me folks) RACIST. This encounter with the minotaur will be Queenie’s first sexual experience and she of course is the only virgin in the girl’s school. No man will have sex with Queenie and it is heavily implied that this is because she is both fat and Black.

We must take a moment to deal with the minotaur itself because it is a very specific kind of horror. Black men have long been constructed as beasts and this is particularly true when it comes to sexuality. They aren’t understood to be gentle lovers, capable of being in a committed relationship. They are nothing but beasts with roving dicks desperate to get sex anywhere and anytime they can. What does it say when a White writer literally turns a Black man into a sexual predator for the sake of entertainment? Further, what about the fact that the Black man is wearing the head of a beast because he is a victim of horrific racially based violence? By placing that animal head on him, LaLaurie turned him into an animal and American Horror Story reified it by making him act like one. It screams racism and no amount of twisting, turning, or white-washing can cause this horrible scene to be read in any other way.

[Ammi]

I loved that episode

..it was pretty messed up but much better than last weeks though...

[Jesus.]

Oh my gosh.....

The Problem With Queenie on American Horror Story
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To be honest much of the time I hate watch American Horror Story. From season one it has been filled with racism, sexism, homophobia and ableism. When I learned that Gabourey Sidibe had been cast, a shiver of dread went down my spine. Though Sidibe is an Oscar nominated actress and is extremely talented the fact that she is fat, dark skinned Black woman had little chance of resulting in a well rounded character. While I am not surprised with the hot mess that Queenie has become, I am disgusted. Why bother getting an actress who is so talented and then reduce her character to a cheap stereotype?

American Horror Story: Coven has taken Queenie and run down a positive bingo card of racist and fatphobic stereotypes and portrayals.

She is loud, angry and, yes, sassy - the trifecta of a cookie cutter Sapphire character. Snarky, loud and angry, she just needs some finger snaps and to talk about wig snatching.

Her signature power is being a human voodoo doll - which is problematic on many levels. First of all, the “voodoo doll” is not a major factor of Voudoun, or wasn’t before Hollywood got its hands on the religion and decided to transpose one of the most well known aspects of European witchcraft. The use of a poppet to transfer effects onto a person is an ancient tradition in many branches of European magical beliefs - in Voodoo? Not so much. But it remains the most stereotypical “Black people” magic that television and our general culture know of - Voodoo is Black people magic. Voodoo = Voodoo dolls so of course the Black witch will have a Voodoo Doll power.

It has the added bonus of reducing Queenie to an object and forces her to graphically mutilate herself (even if the wounds disappear) to fight her enemies.

This bodily destruction is especially poignant because Queenie is fat and fat people are coded to hate their bodies - which includes Queenie. While Queenie describes her virginity as her “waiting”, she is clearly lonely, unhappy and looking for companionship and a relationship. Relationships that are considered beyond her, even comically, because of her weight. She even overtly talks about her weight and her eating as being because she is unhappy, lonely and abandoned - that food is a comfort to her. Queenie can’t just be a fat character, she can’t be a happy fat character - she has to be miserable in her fatness, her eating is portrayed almost as a form of self-harm and rarely does an episode go by without one character commenting on her weight in a mocking and derogatory fashion.

And on top of all that, her backstory involves her, a Black woman, fighting with a Black man over fried chicken. Chicken. Seriously, it could have been anything in the world and American Horror Story chose to have Black people fighting over chicken. We should be grateful there wasn’t a watermelon dessert and a fifth of malt liquor as a drink, I suppose.

It only took until the third episode for American Horror Story to cross an extreme line. When LaLaurie is threatened by the minotaur she created, Queenie jumps up to help. Queenie went on a tour of LaLaurie’s house and is well aware of the crimes this woman committed - not only that but LaLaurie has hurled racist abuse and even physically attacked Queenie.
Queenie could have thrown LaLaurie out to the minotaur, she could have turned her back, but instead Queenie channeled Mammy and decided to help this woman who tortured scores of Black slaves for the sadistic pleasure of it. Not only did Queenie help LaLaurie, she risked her safety to protect her by going outside. Why are we alway getting the stories in the media of Black people rushing to protect hateful bigots? We don’t even get a proper explanation as to why Queenie would decide to help LaLaurie.

Things go from bad to worse when Queenie gets outside. She doesn’t use her magical powers to disable the minotaur, no, Queenie starts to frantically masturbate. But wait, what’s wrong with masturbation you say? Well, honestly, nothing but when it is done by a fat Black woman who has been portrayed as unloveable, while she croons for a half beast man to have sex with her, well, that’s just (say it with me folks) RACIST. This encounter with the minotaur will be Queenie’s first sexual experience and she of course is the only virgin in the girl’s school. No man will have sex with Queenie and it is heavily implied that this is because she is both fat and Black.

We must take a moment to deal with the minotaur itself because it is a very specific kind of horror. Black men have long been constructed as beasts and this is particularly true when it comes to sexuality. They aren’t understood to be gentle lovers, capable of being in a committed relationship. They are nothing but beasts with roving dicks desperate to get sex anywhere and anytime they can. What does it say when a White writer literally turns a Black man into a sexual predator for the sake of entertainment? Further, what about the fact that the Black man is wearing the head of a beast because he is a victim of horrific racially based violence? By placing that animal head on him, LaLaurie turned him into an animal and American Horror Story reified it by making him act like one. It screams racism and no amount of twisting, turning, or white-washing can cause this horrible scene to be read in any other way.

Someone needs to tell whomever wrote that, that AHS isn't a documentary.

[reece(:]

Murphy teases that what Spalding puts the dead witch through is “the most shocking thing we’ve ever done on the show.” And unfortunately for the teen, she won’t be getting a proper burial anytime soon. Dressed up in a bra and panties last time we saw her, Ryan Murphy dished that “dead Madison is in many, many, many episodes.”

[Jords]

So Ive started S2 (3 eps in) and ****ing hell its stepped up on the freaky level compared to S1 :o

[Niamh.]

So Ive started S2 (3 eps in) and ****ing hell its stepped up on the freaky level compared to S1 :o

Yeah, S2 was very different, I couldn't separate them until the very end and then I decided that i preferred S2 because I thought they ended it better than S1

[Smithy]

Murphy teases that what Spalding puts the dead witch through is “the most shocking thing we’ve ever done on the show.” And unfortunately for the teen, she won’t be getting a proper burial anytime soon. Dressed up in a bra and panties last time we saw her, Ryan Murphy dished that “dead Madison is in many, many, many episodes.”

How much more shocking can it get D:

I hope he doesn't have sex with the body ewwwww

[reece(:]

How much more shocking can it get D:

I hope he doesn't have sex with the body ewwwww
I can definitely see that coming sadly D:

[Smithy]

renewed for S4 :D

[reece(:]

renewed for S4 :D
Woooo!

So excited for tonight's episode :amazed:

[Me. I Am Salman]

So Ive started S2 (3 eps in) and ****ing hell its stepped up on the freaky level compared to S1 :o

It's SO much better <3

[Tom4784]

S2 had a slow start but it surpasses the first season by the end.

[Glenn.]

renewed for S4 :D

:amazed: :love:

[Me. I Am Salman]

I was so emotionally invested in series 2
Couldn't give a toss about any of the characters in series 1

[Tom4784]

I was so emotionally invested in series 2
Couldn't give a toss about any of the characters in series 1

I thought S 1 told a better overall story while the characters were stronger in S2 but were let down by an inconsistent plot.

[Glenn.]

S1 had me gripped. I watched S1 way after it aired so I had the glorious advantage of being able to watch episode after episode.

S2 did lack something. I enjoyed it and it definitely got better towards the end.

[Smithy]

Spoiler about who gets burnt at the stake tonight

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[Glenn.]

D:

[MeMyselfAndI]

I can't tell who that is

[Smithy]

I saw it coming tbh
she said you're as blind as your mother, then blinded her..

[Smithy]

I can't tell who that is

r u srs

[MeMyselfAndI]

Oh it's who i expected I can tell who it is from your quote

[MeMyselfAndI]

oh wait im confused

[Smithy]

she's got bright red hair how can you be confused

[Glenn.]

*facepalm

[MeMyselfAndI]

I can't remember the characters hair colours

Is it the girl working for the council or Lana from AHS2

[Jesus.]

Great episode. So much happening, and all of it made sense in the overall story. Looks like I was right about DVG being the supreme, and anytime you throw zombies into a show, it can only be a good thing. The only downside was that now we have to wait another week to watch the next episode.

[Smithy]

Really good ep, the ending :o

next weeks looks brilliant too :D

[reece(:]

I loved that episode!

Stills from the next ep promo show Misty to have Madison laid down on a table! *prays she's brought back!*

[smeagol]

is this show any good. i need to start watching something else as tv is driving me cuckooo lol

[reece(:]

is this show any good. i need to start watching something else as tv is driving me cuckooo lol
I think it's great, always has you thinking about why someone acts a way and the motives they have. It's nice to unravel the mysteries as the seasons run through.

[smeagol]

I think it's great, always has you thinking about why someone acts a way and the motives they have. It's nice to unravel the mysteries as the seasons run through.

Thanks im going to get it. i need something good to watch while i wait for vampire diaries and supernatural to finish their seasons lol

[HD]

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;)

[DrunkerThanMoses]

Zombies + Chainsaw = Heaven

[james130]

Created some wallpapers and blu ray designs if you guys are interested...

http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6472778#post6472778
http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?t=240088

[Tom4784]

That episode was magnificent.

Zoe with the Chainsaw <3. I didn't like her before but the chainsaw bit won me over.

My guess is that the war with Marie will come to an end by the mid series break, I can easily see Misty becoming the big bad of the series as I think Myrtle will turn her against them and Misty will carry on getting stronger until she realises she's being used and just decides to unleash hell on everyone.

I'm also starting to think that Fiona could be Lange's best AHS character yet.

[Me. I Am Salman]

I'm two eps behind lol

[james130]

Best episode yet tbf.

[Jords]

I cant get enough of season 2, Ive got 5 eps to go and its just too exciting!

[Ammi]

That episode was magnificent.

Zoe with the Chainsaw <3. I didn't like her before but the chainsaw bit won me over.

My guess is that the war with Marie will come to an end by the mid series break, I can easily see Misty becoming the big bad of the series as I think Myrtle will turn her against them and Misty will carry on getting stronger until she realises she's being used and just decides to unleash hell on everyone.

I'm also starting to think that Fiona could be Lange's best AHS character yet.

..I agree, that was a great episode, some bits of it I thought were almost comedic as well, like chainsaw Zoe, I did think that was funny the way she just ploughed through the zombies..it seems too obvious for her to be the new Supreme though, I wonder if there will be a twist to that..and I also love Fiona's complicated character in this..the scene in the hospital with the mother and still-born baby was quite touching...

[HD]

..I agree, that was a great episode, some bits of it I thought were almost comedic as well, like chainsaw Zoe, I did think that was funny the way she just ploughed through the zombies..it seems too obvious for her to be the new Supreme though, I wonder if there will be a twist to that..and I also love Fiona's complicated character in this..the scene in the hospital with the mother and still-born baby was quite touching...

Agreed, Fiona redeemed herself for me in that scene

[Smithy]

“I have approached them and they wanna do it,” says Murphy. He adds, “That’s very exciting when you can work with A.) actresses you’ve always idolized and B.) those two are loving this season. They love what they get to do. Kathy Bates sent the writers a basket of plush toys all in the shapes of disemboweled organs. It doesn’t get better than when an Oscar winner sends you a grab bag of stuffed pancreas to say ‘Thank you and job well done.’”


On Angela Bassett and Kathy Bates in S4 :amazed:

[Tom4784]

I hope Madison stays dead for a few more episodes though, boring character.

[Niamh.]

On Angela Bassett and Kathy Bates in S4 :amazed:

It's brilliant seeing good older actresses getting great parts like they get in AHS

[reece(:]

On Angela Bassett and Kathy Bates in S4 :amazed:
Wooo:amazed:


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[rk3388]

Misty <3

[smeagol]

just finished watching season 1. pretty good. bit confusing at times and unreal like when they die they dont seem to be bothered , or when they see a dead person but still good.
about to start watching season 2

[MeMyselfAndI]

It's brilliant seeing good older actresses getting great parts like they get in AHS

And an actress with down syndrome, thats why I love AHS, the last is so diverse & great

[lily.]

Loving this season so far.. Angela Bassett is FIERCE!

[reece(:]

And an actress with down syndrome, thats why I love AHS, the last is so diverse & great
Jamie Brewer :love:

[Glenn.]

Just watched last weeks episode and omg :love:

I love this series so much. I think it could be my favourite series.

[reece(:]

Just watched last weeks episode and omg :love:

I love this series so much. I think it could be my favourite series.
Same :love: I just love all these characters so much (bar FrankenKyle indifference).

[smeagol]

i finished watching season 2 last night the asylum. will wait till season 3 is over before i watch it all.
season 2 was really awesome from 1-9 was perfect then it lost its horror and got abit lame but still good. just wished theyd ended the main characters better. no big endings like i hoped. brilliaint acting by the older woman /nun

looking forward to the coven

[reece(:]

S03, E08 Synopsis (First Aired: December 4, 2013)
Cordelia rallies the girls in the fight to stop Fiona; a dangerous new enemy puts Misty in the cross hairs; the rivalry between Marie Laveau and Delphine comes to a head.
Cast:Jessica Lange,Kathy Bates,Sarah Paulson,Angela Bassett,Gabourey Sidibe,Evan Peters,Taissa Farmiga,Lily Rabe,Frances Conroy,Denis O'Hare,Emma Roberts,Patti LuPone

[reece(:]

S03, E09 Synopsis
Chapter 9 / Production #309 – “Head”
(Airs December 11, 10:00pm e/p)

Cordelia’s attacker is revealed. Fiona looks to form an alliance with Marie Laveau. Nan learns a disturbing truth about Luke’s past.

Written by Tim Minear; directed by Howard Deutch.

[Niamh.]

And an actress with down syndrome, thats why I love AHS, the last is so diverse & great

Yes definitely, she's fantastic too :love:

[HD]

Jamie Brewer :love:

I adore her <3

[Ammi]

..does anyone else think that she could be the Supreme..?...Zoe just seems too obvious...

[Niamh.]

..does anyone else think that she could be the Supreme..?...Zoe just seems too obvious...

ahhhh maybe, that would be a better twist

[james130]

ahhhh maybe, that would be a better twist


Yeah, that's plausible.
But I kinda hope/want it to be Misty...

[Niamh.]

Yeah, that's plausible.
But I kinda hope/want it to be Misty...

She definitely seem the most powerful but is she even in their coven? How does that work?

[james130]

She definitely seem the most powerful but is she even in their coven? How does that work?

Not sure, but as long as Zoe is not the supreme, I don't care. That'd be way too obvious and I find her incredibly annoying as a character. (Find the Zoe/Kyle storyline really boring)

[Niamh.]

Not sure, but as long as Zoe is not the supreme, I don't care. That'd be way too obvious and I find her incredibly annoying as a character. (Find the Zoe/Kyle storyline really boring)

They're usually good at throwing in a few twists here and there so i don't think it will be Zoe

[james130]

Break out your shawls and beads because Fleetwood Mac's Stevie Nicks will guest star on "American Horror Story: Coven.

Series co-creator Ryan Murphy tweeted the casting news.

http://voices.suntimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Stevienicks.jpg

:shocked: :worship:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/12/stevie-nicks-american-horror-story-coven_n_4260812.html?ir=TV

[Niamh.]

Oh wow!

[reece(:]

I hope she joins Misty's covenhttp://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z448/reeecerawwr/075ee6d1.gif

[Ammi]

..do we know whether she's playing a character or playing herself as Misty's 'obsession'..?...

[Niamh.]

Can't wait till Misty comes into it more

[reece(:]

Can't wait till Misty comes into it more
I think we'll be seeing more of her next ep when she goes to the coven and finds Madison

Looking forwards to tonight's ep!!!! :amazed:

[Ammi]

Can't wait till Misty comes into it more

..yeah, that's really frustrated me because she's one of the main actresses and yet so far, she hasn't been in it so much but this week, she finds the burnt council lady..I can't remember her name..so hopefully this is where Misty will start becoming more key to the story...

[Niamh.]

Yep to you both ^

I guess she's making her own resurrection coven :love: Oh what happened to FrankenKyle as well?

[reece(:]

Here's the preview for tonight, might answer a few Qs
L6VvZEpo-aY

[Ammi]

Yep to you both ^

I guess she's making her own resurrection coven :love: Oh what happened to FrankenKyle as well?

..was he in it last week, I can't remember since he butchered his perverted mother...I think the storyline in this is much more spread out than Asylum because not all the characters are in each week...or not much, anyway..just a bit to remind you of what happened the last time you saw them...

[Ammi]

Here's the preview for tonight, might answer a few Qs
L6VvZEpo-aY

..:amazed:..

[Niamh.]

..was he in it last week, I can't remember since he butchered his perverted mother...I think the storyline in this is much more spread out than Asylum because not all the characters are in each week...or not much, anyway..just a bit to remind you of what happened the last time you saw them...

No, he's not been init since Zoe found him after he killed his mother and she was going to poison his food but he had disappeared by the time she went back to him with it

[reece(:]

No, he's not been init since Zoe found him after he killed his mother and she was going to poison his food but he had disappeared by the time she went back to him with it
Kind of glad his appearances have been minimal cos his character is the most boring so far (not his fault mind).

[Niamh.]

Kind of glad his appearances have been minimal cos his character is the most boring so far (not his fault mind).

Yeah, he's not been great at all

[reece(:]

oh and Happy Birthday to Frances Conroy (Myrtle) :amazed:

Some little spoilers for tonight's ep
No myrtle, joan ramsey or luke this week, kyle is back, Misty gets more screentime than any other episode so far, we meet the axeman,madison is found, creepiest episode so far, we start to see cordelias dark side, hank doesnt like cordelias new power and discusses with someone we ll recognize, kalie (the woman hank shot) appears in a flashback scene,the final scene from this episode will make us asking for more, the song Lace & Leather by stevie nicks will be featured in this episode, and aparently basset, lange and bates get little screen time today

[Ammi]

No, he's not been init since Zoe found him after he killed his mother and she was going to poison his food but he had disappeared by the time she went back to him with it

Kind of glad his appearances have been minimal cos his character is the most boring so far (not his fault mind).

..he played one of the central characters in asylum, so maybe it's in their contract that the next time they have to be boring, so they don't get too big headed and 'starry'...demanding extra money and throwing tantrums,...I didn't watch the first series though, so I don't know what his character was there...

[Niamh.]

I'm going to resist those spoilers :laugh:

[reece(:]

I'm going to resist those spoilers :laugh:
Tough cookie :joker:

[Niamh.]

..he played one of the central characters in asylum, so maybe it's in their contract that the next time they have to be boring, so they don't get too big headed and 'starry'...demanding extra money and throwing tantrums,...I didn't watch the first series though, so I don't know what his character was there...

Except Queen Jessica of course :worship:

[reece(:]

..he played one of the central characters in asylum, so maybe it's in their contract that the next time they have to be boring, so they don't get too big headed and 'starry'...demanding extra money and throwing tantrums,...I didn't watch the first series though, so I don't know what his character was there...
Will you get round to watching the first series? He's quite prominent in that one, like 2.

[Ammi]

oh and Happy Birthday to Frances Conroy (Myrtle) :amazed:

Some little spoilers for tonight's ep



..oh wow, it looks like a great episode but maybe Cordelia could still be the Supreme, it's just that it didn't emerge until the acid attack and her personality changed because of it..:amazed:...

[Ammi]

Except Queen Jessica of course :worship:

Will you get round to watching the first series? He's quite prominent in that one, like 2.

..that was that conspiracy theory out of the window, then..:pipe:...

[reece(:]

..oh wow, it looks like a great episode but maybe Cordelia could still be the Supreme, it's just that it didn't emerge until the acid attack and her personality changed because of it..:amazed:...
I don't think she could be since she said so and seems to be about to "go down a dark path" ..I'll miss good Delia :(

[Niamh.]

Oh have you not watched Season 1 yet Ammi?

[Ammi]

I don't think she could be since she said so and seems to be about to "go down a dark path" ..I'll miss good Delia :(

..yeah, Good Delia was never a good part for her though, she would have been too shaded by the other characters and she's too good an actress for that, it would have been a waste...and she did get very interesting as a person in Asylum, when she became really selfish and cold at the end...

[Ammi]

Oh have you not watched Season 1 yet Ammi?

...no, not yet because when Scott recommended it, he said to watch Asylum first as it was better than the first one and it wasn't that long after, when Coven started...well, it probably was but I just didn't get round to it lol...

[Niamh.]

...no, not yet because when Scott recommended it, he said to watch Asylum first as it was better than the first one and it wasn't that long after, when Coven started...well, it probably was but I just didn't get round to it lol...

Ohhh Zoe is a main character in season 1 as well. You should watch it. It was almost as good as Season 2 imo, I couldn't separate them for ages but I eventually decided I like 2 better because I preferred how they ended it

[reece(:]

I really enjoyed Jamie Brewer (Nan) in season 1 too :love:

[Niamh.]

I really enjoyed Jamie Brewer (Nan) in season 1 too :love:

yeah me too :love:

[Ammi]

Ohhh Zoe is a main character in season 1 as well. You should watch it. It was almost as good as Season 2 imo, I couldn't separate them for ages but I eventually decided I like 2 better because I preferred how they ended it

..tbh I'm really not sure yet whether I'm going to end up liking The Coven more than Asylum or not..each episode is good atm but there are so many threads to the story that it'll either all come together dramatically and amazingly and be epic or it'll feel like it all got a little lost and fragmented, getting there...I hope it's the first one...I will watch the first series after this one is finished, it's my next 'mission'...

[HD]

Zoe & Kyle storyline is stupid.
These two shouldn't have been paired, it's too similar to Murder House.

[reece(:]

There’s not much Sarah Paulson won’t do for American Horror Story, between having angry, magical sex with snakes involved and letting serial killers do even worse things to her body. But it’s all in the name of freaking you out good. On Coven, she’s the buttoned-up witch whose mother is just waiting for her to let her freak flag show — and that moment, as Ryan Murphy hinted to Vulture earlier this season, is fast approaching. On her day off, the delightful Paulson, who was nominated for an Emmy (she should have won) last year, rang up Vulture to talk about the season-to-date, and the awkwardness that is having her parents and grandma watch.

What are you doing with your day off besides this interview?
I’m trying to clean out all my *beep* in this house. I’m just having like a weird cleaning rampage, which happens to me sometimes. And I just opened a drawer and found 50,000 Coven scripts and I realize I have to take them to the office to be shredded because I can’t just throw them into the garbage here. It makes me nervous, right? And all our names are on the scripts. So I have to take it to the office to be shredded. That’s the kind of stuff I’m doing with my day off.

So, tonight’s episode! Cordelia can now see everyone’s dirty secrets. Worst witchy gift? Or best?
I think it can be really great when you see good *beep* but knowing it’s American Horror Story means you’re going to be seeing a lot of *beep* you wish you never saw. I just love the metaphor of it. I love the idea that Cordelia started as this woman who tried to see the best in people, and who was kind and tried to be the opposite of her mother and never used her magic for anything other than good. And now she’s getting a real *beep* wake-up call about way people function in the world and, you know, *beep* about to go down.

[Series boss] Ryan Murphy said Cordelia was his version of what would have happened if Samantha on Bewitched had listened to Endora and gone dark.
Well, I think goodness is in the eye of the beholder, really. I don’t know she becomes a bad witch, but she’s certainly confronted by things about people I think she chose not to see. She chose to keep her head in the sand because it made it easier for her to move through the world the way she wanted to, which is by the book. But now she’s more, “I gotta figure out a way to survive.” The by-the-book days for Cordelia are over.

Vulture made these tarot cards –
Oh, they’re the greatest things ever. I tweeted it. They’re my favorite thing that I’ve ever seen in my life.

But we put Cordelia on the peaceful Temperance card. I’m thinking that might change.
Maybe you can do season-end cards. Something cool like maybe have the front and back be different based on what happens with the characters.

Maybe we will! So again, you’re playing someone being terrorized by a serial killer. And this time, you’re blind.
It’s fun to be trapped in a room with a murderer. It reminded me of Lana Winters and if something reminds me of Lana Winters that’s a good day as far as I’m concerned.

Which was scarier: getting chased by the Ax Man or being held by Bloody Face?
I would say Bloody Face because I endured his torture for much longer and ended up bearing his son and having to shoot my son in the head. But Danny Huston’s scary, too. His ax was really scary. When you can’t see what someone’s doing, like you can see them but nothing else in the room, it’s *beep* awful. It’s terrifying. But you don’t sign up for American Horror Story to go tiptoeing through tulips.

The other maybe scary thing you’ve had to do is have sex while snakes writhed around your body. I read that you really bonded with those snakes.
My mother of course wrote to me after she read that and was like, “Are you my child? Is this her?” Because I’m one of those people who is afraid of sharks and bees and everything. I’m a fearful person when it comes to creatures. I’m not real down with them. So the idea that I would spend the day on a set with a bunch of snakes and by the end of it wish I had one was a pretty marked change.
This sounds very actress-y and stupid but it’s true, if you’re committed to doing something in the moment, you’re gonna go balls out. You’re gonna go for it and not be afraid. In that moment, Cordelia was wanting something so desperately. I just decided, How can I be afraid of this thing that I’m trying to use to help fertilize my *beep* eggs? I gotta go there. Also, we were filming it on a Saturday and everyone was tired, and I didn’t want to be that girl who’s like [whines], “No! Get that creepy, gross snake away from me.” So I just wrapped that thing around my neck. There were things they didn’t even use. I hope Ryan puts it on the DVD. There were a couple of takes where that snake had its tongue in my mouth. I just let it do it. It was like Sssss … and that tongue came right up in my face. It’s crazy. They’re very beautiful and strong. It was sexy. I just kinda got into it.

The sexy way they’re trying to choke the life out of your leg ...
Yeah! I was like, “This is *beep* hot.” I was so into it. I couldn’t help it. But I’m not gonna lie. Tequila was involved. I had to have some tequila. I mean, not only are you simulating sexual acts, then you add in a bunch of snakes. Jessica Lange also decided to tell me a story that day. This is a very Jessica thing to do. She was leaving the set and I was staying to do the snake stuff and she goes, “Don’t let that snake near your face. I was in a pet store once where someone was holding a quote-unquote nice snake, and the snake reached up and bit the *beep* out of that person’s face.” I said, “Thanks a lot, mom,” and she goes, “Have fun!” I thinking she was feeling particularly Fiona-ish, like, “Have fun, sucker.”

I love that you call her mom.
Sometimes I do. I went, “Okay, mom. Peace out. See you later! Gonna go have sex with my husband and some snakes!”

And you said the scene was written out over two pages of all description, right?
Yeah. It was the same way with the the voodoo scene. Cordelia’s lifted up, and you see the jizz jar crackling in the fire. There wasn’t any dialogue. It was just two pages of description. Nobody could be confused as to what they wanted to see on camera, that’s for sure.

Fiona’s all about protecting Cordelia now. Is it just guilt over having been a bad mother?
I think both Fiona and Cordelia do a lot of posturing. Deep down you only ever hate someone that much when they affect you so greatly. Fiona loves her child desperately and feels so guilty about what she’s done to her, abandoning her as a child. And at the same time she’s infuriated because Cordelia doesn’t love and worship her the way everybody else does. Down the road, though, you’ll see there are moments where Cordelia and Fiona see eye to eye.

I have to assume they’re going to team up to take down her husband, the witch hunter.
It’s a common cause. What’s going to happen to this coven is pretty extraordinary in how it unites and divides them. It’s going to be very interesting.

Is there some sort of a rule requiring you and Evan Peters to get naked every season?
I just feel like when your body looks like Evan’s you should want to be running around naked a lot. That boy, he looks good. Everything’s good and tight, you know what I mean? So I feel like you gotta run around naked now, because pretty soon, nobody’s gonna want to see it. I wish I could say that’s in my contract. It’s not. Did I really get naked last [season]? Oh, that’s right, my boobs. “Baby needs colostrum” was last year, I forgot about that. And masturbation station with the aversion-conversion therapy. My poor dad. My dad watched every episode.

He did?
He did. My mom, it was too much for her. She couldn’t watch it. But my dad, after that aversion-conversion therapy scene, he posted on my Facebook, “I was riveted!” Like, Dad, no. Noooo. And he meant, “I’m just so proud of you,” but he wrote it after that episode! I was just like, Oh Dad, no. Creep-o. No, no, no. His heart was in the right place. I don’t think he intended to be like, “That’s my daughter pretending to jack off this young man who’s standing in the room while vomiting in a bucket! Yeah!”

Did they call you after the snake episode?
Ah, no. They were quiet. My sweet grandmother who lives in Maine, I told her she couldn’t watch last year, but this year she was like, “Can I watch this time?” And I was like, “Ummm, you can try?” and so she started to watch it but her blood pressure started to go up during the opening credits. If I give my grandmother a heart attack from asking her to watch my work on American Horror Story, then I deserve to go to hell. I can’t.

So now that Cordelia’s maybe going dark, is she getting a new wardrobe to match? Because I’m going to miss the high-waisted pants.
Actually, it does change after tonight’s episode. At first, Ryan was like, "I want her to look like Katherine Hepburn/Carole Lombard" – high-waisted pants, 40s, very light and airy compared to Fiona’s structured black stuff. But when I come home from the hospital in tonight’s episode, notice I’m wearing a black dress. Things start changing. Cordelia’s a different kind of woman now, and she probably can’t see a lot of what she’s wearing so Fiona’s probably handing her the clothes she thinks she should be wearing. It’s a lot more black. I remember I called Ryan because I loved those pants but I was getting tired of them. I wore them e-v-e-r-y day. We’d just change the tops. Jessica made a funny joke once when I walked in the trailer wearing pearls one day and she was like, “Jesus, Barbara Bush.” I can tell you the pearls I wear from now on are black.

http://www.vulture.com/2013/11/american-horror-story-sarah-paulson-interview.html

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Ep 6 almost downloaded, the wait is killing me :sobbing:

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Ep 7 promo
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I loved tonight's episode :love: Sooooo pleased Madison is back :amazed: but this Axeman character seems annoying... missed Kathy Bates and Frances tonight

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10 minutes left to wait.

I'm dying to click that spoiler tag..... don't....... do........ it....... :bawling::bawling:

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I'm still baffled as to why the acid didn't take her eyebrows off... :D

[Smithy]

not sure why they brought an axe murderer into, seems a bit random :conf2: if he'd been there for so long why did he wait until then to do that

[reece(:]

not sure why they brought an axe murderer into, seems a bit random :conf2: if he'd been there for so long why did he wait until then to do that
That storyline does seem boring, I'd rather see more of Kathy and Frances

[Braden]

This episode was very...meh

I feel so sorry for Cordelia, she's too good of a person for all of this horrible stuff to be happening to her :(

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ENTERTAINMENT WEEKLY: First tell me about how the Stevie Nicks thing happened. She’s actually going to appear?
RYAN MURPHY: She appears as herself. It’s part of Fiona’s ruse in that Fiona is trying to get the true Supreme to reveal herself because she needs to stay alive. So she tells Misty Day that the Supreme gets so many great things in life, like tickets to the Oscars and Met Ball tickets. So she brings Stevie Nicks in as a gift to Misty to prove to her that if she exhibits more power she’ll get that and more. Then the other girls come home and see Stevie and Misty singing and it starts them trying to move much quicker to prove that they are the Supreme.
Do you know when this will happen?
It’s episode 10. It’s right when we come back from winter break. I had a really good conversation with her and explained to her what the show was and it’s gotten such a big reaction from people. She said, “Oh I wish I could be on the show.” But she couldn’t because she was traveling with Fleetwood Mac in Europe but then Mick Fleetwood got cancer so they cancelled those dates. Then she called and said, “I’m now available sadly enough. If you wanna use me.” So I said, “Let’s do it!” So she’s flying in for like two days and doing her scenes. I know every person in the show is like, “I better be in that goddamn scene!” It’s funny.
I bet Lily Rabe was freaking out!
She was freaking out. She texted me this morning saying, “Is it true? Is it true?” We’re trying to figure what song she’s going to sing with Misty.
Tonight introduced Danny Huston’s character, The Axeman. So we will see The Axeman and Fiona have an affair?
Yeah he comes back and they have a very sexually charged love affair. It’s a very adult, forgiving love affair. I sort of look at them as the Macbeths. So their Macbethian love story plays out over the rest of the season and of course with the Macbeths what they really want is power. So it’s really about them trying to save not only the coven but themselves and ride off into the sunset together. But the question is: Can they do that?
Grace Gummer (The Newsroom) was one of the vintage Robichaux witches. Will we see her again?
No, she just auditioned. I thought she was terrific.
This episode once again showed Zoe turning more strong and confident and maybe dark. Is she going more dark?
I think all of them are going dark. In this episode, you’ve got Zoe really dark, you’ve got Queenie really dark, I think you’re gonna see Nan getting really dark, and Madison comes back incredibly dark. Misty Day is the only one so far who hasn’t gone dark but she needs to.
She’s got edge.
She’s edgy but I think she has a kinder heart than all the rest of them.
Madison is resurrected and next week is a big episode for her. She can’t seem to find anything to make her feel alive.
Yes it’s sort of like she’s dead and she can’t feel anything so we’re really are making a leap and saying she’s a poster person for the millennial generation. Unsatisfied. Entitled. Nothing makes them happy. She’s been on the other side and in her mind there’s nothing. So more than ever she really just realizes that the only way to exist is to satisfy all of your urges instantly. So she was deadly before but now she’s even more deadly. Of course she has to get her revenge on Fiona.
Marie has hired Hank to hunt down the Salem witches. Will we see how they first met?
Yes.
And will Cordelia learn the truth about Hank’s identity?
Oh yes. It has to come out at some point.
Obviously, Spalding has been caught and tortured by the girls. What’s next for him?
The Spalding story is obviously he’s crossed a line. He didn’t kill Madison but what he did to defile her body. So the girls find that out and have to take revenge on him. They have to make him pay for his dastardly necrophilia and bad fashion outfits.
Will Kyle ever get to speak?
Yes.
What else can you say about next week’s “The Dead?”
That I think is a very meditative episode. It’s very much about Madison and Zoe and Kyle. There’s a lot of great stuff about Queenie and Marie Laveaux and the unexpected friendship with LaLaurie. We dwell a lot on charaacters in that episode who are dead and are brought back and what their inner lives are and what their futures are.

Next episode being about Madison :amazed:

[Jamesy]

My views on the latest episode:

I felt it was a bit 'meh' to be honest. The Axeman story is rather boring and doesn't interest me in the slightest. It feels like Ryan Murphy has just brought in the Axeman as it's a real story in New Orleans. I'd rather it just be left as it doesn't seem like it's a story that will do far. Axeman and Fiona hook up, the end. Not much you can do inbetween that.

Other than that it was good to see Madison back. I was very happy to see Misty Day back on the screen (I love Lily Rabe) and got to see a bit of naked Evan Peters... what more could you want?! ;)

I hope next week steps up a gear. It was great on the whole although thw Axeman being brought in made this episode seem far worse than it really was.

Oh and just some speculation of my own, not a spoiler as such, but I'll put it in a spoiler tag just in case my theories become reality. :P

I was thinking about Misty Day and her resurrecting Myrtle Snow... and I was also thinking about Alexandra Breckenridge (Kaylee aka the girl who Hank shot in episode 5)... Alex is quite well known for her role in season one and I was thinking that her role may be a bit bigger in this season.

So, my theory... Misty Day tried to avoid Zoe asking her if she found her 'tribe' is the latest episode. Could Misty Day be in fact resurrecting all the 'good'/dead witches and forming her own tribe, one that could play a bigger role later in the series? I'm not sure how it will work but we know that Fiona will get caught out any moment with killing off witches and I can see there being some kind of Fiona versus the good witches versus Marie Laveau.

Saying that you never know where this show will lead with Ryan so time will tell.

[Tom4784]

It wasn't a great episode as it felt like it was all set up and no payoff, I reckon next week will be good though.

[Braden]

On a positive; I do love the intro bits :love:

Suffragettes and witches are an amazing, unlikely mix that would only happen on this show, and I love the distorted music they play just before the titles.

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I want to see another LaLaurie flashback, Kathy's acting in those is phenomenal.

[Ammi]

..I already felt that the plot was feeling a little fragmented sometimes but that it would all pull together and now we have the axeman as well..more or less a whole episode devoted to him, which doesn't make sense atm but his character must be quite vital to the plot...hmmmm...

[Smithy]

What I don't get is

If the Axeman's spirit has been there that whole time why did he wait until he was promised to be released before he manifested himself, why didn't he do it before?

And why wasn't madison a ghost and they just brought her back like that

Seems like a massive plot hole :conf2:

[Ammi]

What I don't get is

If the Axeman's spirit has been there that whole time why did he wait until he was promised to be released before he manifested himself, why didn't he do it before?

And why wasn't madison a ghost and they just brought her back like that

Seems like a massive plot hole :conf2:

..yeah, I didn't understand why he hadn't done it before either...but the whole thing with the axeman seemed completely random, like they had thought of a character and someone to play him, so they just popped it into the storyline, but it makes no sense..and anyway, the thing about jazz music isn't relevant to the time now, so is he just going to kill everyone because they don't listen to jazz....?.....

[Smithy]

..yeah, I didn't understand why he hadn't done it before either...but the whole thing with the axeman seemed completely random, like they had thought of a character and someone to play him, so they just popped it into the storyline, but it makes no sense..and anyway, the thing about jazz music isn't relevant to the time now, so is he just going to kill everyone because they don't listen to jazz....?.....

I think he's gonna go after the witches who he's been around the longest in that house (so fiona and any of her coven that are still around)

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My feelings towards the Axeman:
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[Ammi]

I think he's gonna go after the witches who he's been around the longest in that house (so fiona and any of her coven that are still around)

..the other thing I didn't understand was how was Cordelia so helpless against him, with her powers..she didn't even seem to try to use them against him...

[Smithy]

..the other thing I didn't understand was how was Cordelia so helpless against him, with her powers..she didn't even seem to try to use them against him...

Do we even know what her power is?

Apart from this new sight thingy :conf2: she seems a bit useless

[Ammi]

Do we even know what her power is?

Apart from this new sight thingy :conf2: she seems a bit useless

..but if she's a witch, she must have them and just chooses not to use them, probably because she doesn't want to be anything like Fiona...I would have thought that they would just 'emerge' when she was in danger, it was really frustrating that she couldn't seem to do anything...

[Tom4784]

The Axeman is just the filler historical character storyline of this season like the Black Dahlia storyline in S1 or Anne Frank in s2. I imagine he'll be cast aside easily in the next episode and swiftly forgotten.

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The Axeman is just the filler historical character storyline of this season like the Black Dahlia storyline in S1 or Anne Frank in s2. I imagine he'll be cast aside easily in the next episode and swiftly forgotten.
But he's in the preview...!

[Smithy]

But he's in the preview...!

He'll probably die next ep or something

[reece(:]

He'll probably die next ep or something
Fingers crossed, I need queen Frances to get more screentime.

[Jords]

Asylum was great :lovedup:

[Ammi]

Asylum was great :lovedup:

..have you started watching The Coven, Jords..?..

[Jords]

I shall do yepp :pipe:

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Asylum was great :lovedup:

Asylum is amaze <3

I still see Jessica Lange as Sister Jude, quite annoying

[Ammi]

Asylum is amaze <3

I still see Jessica Lange as Sister Jude, quite annoying

..I haven't watched the first series yet so I wasn't sure how it would be, them all being different characters but I have to say, I saw her as Fiona almost immediately...she's great as both though/a great actress...

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The first series:love: Connie Britton really needs to return!

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..I haven't watched the first series yet so I wasn't sure how it would be, them all being different characters but I have to say, I saw her as Fiona almost immediately...she's great as both though/a great actress...
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You NEED to watch the first series!

The first series:love: Connie Britton really needs to return!

Definitely! She would have been perfect for Coven.

[Jamesy]

Ahh, it would be great to see Connie back! We can wish for series 4 I suppose!

Regarding the Axeman. I think I've worked it out. Hopefully my explanation isn't too complicated. :P

His spirit is trapped in the room he was murdered. So he can't do anything in that room anyway. Scaring a witch while trapped in there will do nothing to help him. His spirit leads Zoe to the board thing (or maybe something else lead her to it? or maybe she lead herself to it? Who knows) and demands his release. Zoe lies about releasing him. He gets pretty angry. Now knowing Zoe has the board he decides to take an attack on the next witch who enters the room he's trapped in. That turns out to be Cordelia, he knows that Zoe will release him if a fellow witch of the coven in under attack. Zoe releases him. Ta da!

The Axeman could have easily killed Cordelia there and then. But he didn't want to kill her. He wanted release, and the only way to do that was to frighten/taunt all of them to force his release. Quite clever of him really!

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[Smithy]

Ryan Murphey talked about S4 and said it won't be a Coven spin off and that it'll be filmed in either New Orleans or Sante Fe

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I wish Coven was longer than 13 eps ;(

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“A year earlier: Kyle, hanging with his buddies, shares his dreams about leading a useful, helpful life.

Today: Those who died and were revived try to come to terms with their undead status. One of them, who lived a numbed life and is even more numbed now, is desperate to feel again… to feel anything at all… and is willing to go to extreme measures to make it happen. Another, horrified by what he’s become, only wants to die and feel nothing anymore. But the two find they ultimately have more in common than not. Meanwhile, Queenie spends a night out with Madame LaLaurie, and the two continue to forge their unlikely bond… and something LaLaurie says leads Queenie to question her place in the Coven, and seek out the only other place she feels she might belong. But will the price to be accepted there be too high? Meanwhile, an increasingly ailing and insecure Fiona finds new purpose in a love affair with a very, very dangerous lover… one who’s had his eye on her for a very, very long time. Cordelia makes a fateful decision about her mother, and enlists Zoe’s help. And Zoe goes on a fact-finding mission that leaves her thirsting for vengeance.”

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Zoe is coming for Fiona's weave!!!
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Apparently no Misty or Myrtle tonight.

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Big spoil for tonight's episode: http://www.spoilertv.com/2013/11/american-horror-story-coven-chapter-7.html


S4
As American Horror Story: Coven begins to wrap up its bold and brilliant season, fans are starting to wonder what next year will be like. Co-creator Ryan Murphy tells EW that he will begin dropping hints about season 4 around episode 11, but he will say that, “It’s not contemporary.” He adds: “It’s either going to shoot in New Orleans or it’s going to shoot in Santa Fe.”

One thing viewers definitely won’t see is a rumored spin-off of Coven. Murphy told reporters earlier this fall that he and FX had discussed an AHS spin-off, centered on this season. But that project is dead as of now. Reveals Murphy, “We were starting to break episode 8 or 9 and we were like, ‘Well, we can’t kill that person off because we need them for the spin-off.’ As soon as those words were said, I was like, ‘There is no spin-off.’ Because it took away from the joy of the show. The reason the show is successful is no one is safe ever.”

[Jamesy]

A wouldn't like a spin-off. It would just turn the show into a bit of a gimmick. The unique thing about AHS is that you have one season, one story and that's it. You can love each series as its own unique thing.

[Smithy]

Thought this episode was a bit meh, kinda saw it all coming, the episode in two weeks looks amazing though :amazed:

I think the witches will kill Fiona, then misty'll bring her back

Still don't like the axeman story, he's been in the house, able to manifest, yet he waited till then to do it, if he was a ghost why wasn't madison :shrug:

[Jamesy]

Shame we have to wait two weeks for the next episode, looks like it will be a good one.

I'm not bothered about the axeman either. I hope it ends in the next episode. It's not doing anything for me.

[james130]

Ryan Murphey talked about S4 and said it won't be a Coven spin off and that it'll be filmed in either New Orleans or Sante Fe

Murphy revealed that American Horror Story season 4 will be located in, “New Orleans or it’s going to shoot in Santa Fe.”

Murphy also teased when season 4 will tale place, saying, “It’s not contemporary.” And that fans can expect to start seeing hints about the next season in American Horror Story: Coven episode 11.

While he hasn’t yet given any clues about the theme of season 4, he is ruling out one option. Murphy says that season 4 will not be a spinoff of Coven. They had been tossing the idea around earlier this year but has since killed the idea.

Thank God it's not a spin off!

[james130]

Firstly, the lack of Misty throughout the season is a real piss-take.
Secondly, the Kyle threesome thing was just uncalled for. I found myself laughing because it was so stupid and you could see it coming.
Thirdly, the axeman/Fiona sub-plot is hell-a-annoying and I really don't give a **** about it.
PS. Queenie's a bitch. (Although, from the looks of the E08 promo, she might redeem herself.)
If it wasn't mentioned above, I liked it.
But, thank God we're not getting a spin-off.

I don't understand people saying it's by far the best season so far. I can understand people having their favourites but "by far"?
In my opinion, it's contender for the worst of the three. I find a lot of the plot is just put in there for shock factor and the best and most interesting characters/plot-lines are left underdeveloped. (Yes, I know we're not finished yet, but we are over half way!)

I don't find Zoe likeable at all (although thought she was pretty bad ass this episode) and want more Misty/Cordelia :love:.

I don't know why i'm having such a rant, it's still my favourite show of the year.
I just think the first two were so perfect (for me) that I find it easy to pick at.

[Jesus.]

All 3 series have had points where they seemed to lose the initial ideas. Aliens and Anne Frank last year for example.

I think the way it started, it was easily on course to be the best thing they've done so far. There was action, suspense, history, and gore. Horror is in the title, so people complaining about the shock value of some scenes to be missing the point.

You can't keep that up for a whole season as there just wouldn't be any room for the story to run through it, and the side story lines to happen. It's definitely the best series to me, as I remember them.

American Horror Story.

[Smithy]

It'd be better if they introduced them (the side stores) earlier imo, so that they don't just spring out of nowhere, like maybe some ghostly sort of things going on in the earlier eps that are then explained by the axeman saying it was him, rather than just having a flashback of something that happened when Fiona was 8

Or Madame whatsherface planting ideas in Queenies head that they'll never treat her equally, rather than her doing it once and Queenie sauntering off to Marie, everything seems to happen so suddenly

[Jesus.]

It's the problem with 12 show seasons. Some of the side stories could have just been done away with all together, but then I'm not sure how they'll pan out. You know that Queenie will eventually save her after the scenes where they get to know each other. And that Axeman who watches young girls dress is just s**t, but they can't get everything right I suppose it all depends how they manage the impending war that is about to take place. The way that everyone is being pitted against each other will make for some outstanding TV. I'll be really disappointed if it's s**t now!

[james130]

All 3 series have had points where they seemed to lose the initial ideas. Aliens and Anne Frank last year for example.

I think the way it started, it was easily on course to be the best thing they've done so far. There was action, suspense, history, and gore. Horror is in the title, so people complaining about the shock value of some scenes to be missing the point.

You can't keep that up for a whole season as there just wouldn't be any room for the story to run through it, and the side story lines to happen. It's definitely the best series to me, as I remember them.

American Horror Story.


It's not the shocking 'horror' scenes i'm on about. Gimme more of them.
It's things like the threesome thing, the jar of jizz and ott sex scene with Cordelia, the Kyle and his mom stuff...

I'm no prude but some of the stuff it's just like... 'really?'

[Smithy]

I think the "war" is gonna end up being resolved in the next couple of episodes, I think Queenie's gonna die, (seeing as she's credited as a guest star this season, rather than an actual main character, so I don't see why that'd be unless she died mid season.) and then the last few episodes will focus around the new supreme/misty/myrtle

[james130]

PS. Why'd they introduce the weird churchy neighbours so early and then not even mention them for a million episodes?
What is their purpose?

[james130]

I think the "war" is gonna end up being resolved in the next couple of episodes, I think Queenie's gonna die, (seeing as she's credited as a guest star this season, rather than an actual main character, so I don't see why that'd be unless she died mid season.) and then the last few episodes will focus around the new supreme/misty/myrtle

True, but I wouldn't write her out just yet.
They seem to be writing in the deaths as they go along so may/may not have planned for her to die when the titles were made...

“We were starting to break episode 8 or 9 and we were like, ‘Well, we can’t kill that person off because we need them for the spinoff.’ As soon as those words were said, I was like, ‘There is no spinoff.’ Because it took away from the joy of the show.

[Jesus.]

It's not the shocking 'horror' scenes i'm on about. Gimme more of them.
It's things like the threesome thing, the jar of jizz and ott sex scene with Cordelia, the Kyle and his mom stuff...

I'm no prude but some of the stuff it's just like... 'really?'

Aren't things like that really famously linked to the occult though? Sex rituals, ambiguity, and orgies come with the territory.

Apart from the sexual abuse, but it was hardly a hardcore porn scene. It's supposed to make you squirm and sit uncomfortably, otherwise what's the point?

[Jesus.]

PS. Why'd they introduce the weird churchy neighbours so early and then not even mention them for a million episodes?
What is their purpose?

As a plot device to make people think Maddy was the new supreme, it also added a contrast between the prim and proper Christian religion, and witchcraft? I don't know - I'm just speculating, but the chances are we'll see them again at some point.

[james130]

Aren't things like that really famously linked to the occult though? Sex rituals, ambiguity, and orgies come with the territory.

Apart from the sexual abuse, but it was hardly a hardcore porn scene. It's supposed to make you squirm and sit uncomfortably, otherwise what's the point?

True, I just think if less focus was put into ensuring those scenes were made (Sometimes I do feel like they are just put in their for the sake of it) and more was put into their plot-holes then it would be better overall.

[Jesus.]

True, I just think if less focus was put into ensuring those scenes were made (Sometimes I do feel like they are just put in their for the sake of it) and more was put into their plot-holes then it would be better overall.

The sex ritual may have been a touch OTT, but it was a really striking cinematic visual. It also showed the desperation to have a baby, and that's partly how she ended up blind to begin with. It's a story, and stories don't have to be completely literal. There are bigger plot holes in a show about witches and immortality, than a sex scene with some snakes.

[james130]

As a plot device to make people think Maddy was the new supreme, it also added a contrast between the prim and proper Christian religion, and witchcraft? I don't know - I'm just speculating, but the chances are we'll see them again at some point.

But why the big intro and promo shots for such a minor character.
https://scontent-b-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/1425523_622270581142262_1110664371_n.png

Yeah, i'm sure we'll see them again but I meant in the same way as Misty, they seem very under-explored for so far into the season.

[james130]

The sex ritual may have been a touch OTT, but it was a really striking cinematic visual. It also showed the desperation to have a baby, and that's partly how she ended up blind to begin with. It's a story, and stories don't have to be completely literal. There are bigger plot holes in a show about witches and immortality, than a sex scene with some snakes.


Of course that scene itself doesn't have plot holes and I didn't say it did. I'm referring to the other plot-holes you mention (that could be have been more developed) in regards to the relevance of that scene and others like it. :rolleyes:

[reece(:]

Thought this episode was a bit meh, kinda saw it all coming, the episode in two weeks looks amazing though :amazed:

I think the witches will kill Fiona, then misty'll bring her back

Still don't like the axeman story, he's been in the house, able to manifest, yet he waited till then to do it, if he was a ghost why wasn't madison :shrug:

You were not surprised at Spalding's death? :shocked:

[reece(:]

I really enjoyed the episode outside of the Axeman's character and it's nice to see Kyle get some proper development. Missed Nan, Myrtle and Misty's presence though. :(

And no new episode until December 4th :bawling:

[Braden]

I like how this episode has taken things into a different direction.

- LaLaurie and Leveau's feud being relevant again
- Kyle actually being useful within the plot-line
- Everybody turning against Fiona

Next episode looks ah-mazing...I can't wait till the 4th December :(

[reece(:]

Teases
http://www.ew.com/ew/gallery/0,,20302134_20758506_30057039,00.html

[Me. I Am Salman]

*is watching from the UK pace now*

[Smithy]

You were not surprised at Spalding's death? :shocked:

Oh, a little, but he was kinda irrelevant anyway so idc about him

[reece(:]

Just can’t wait to find out what happens in the next episode of American Horror Story: Coven? Ryan Murphy talked to Entertainment Weekly about his inspiration for the scenes and characters, as well as spoilers for the rest of the season.

On last night’s episode, Delphine was introduced to a new form of endless punishment for her sins when Queenie turns her over to Marie Laveau. “I love how Queenie finally does the right thing and Madame LaLaurie finally gets the justice she deserves,” said Murphy. “Well I just think now that Marie Laveau has her back she is going to make her life a living hell and she’s going to get her revenge. I think if LaLaurie thought living underground for all eternity was hell, she hasn’t seen nothing yet! It’s sort of an interesting synthesis of the rock up the hill idea because she can’t die.” Wow — a fate worse than being buried alive. Can’t wait to see what happens next!

But we’ll be able to see what happened in the past, too. They’re working on flashbacks to tell us more about Delphine. “We’re working on a great one right now that shows you how Madame LaLaurie became Madame LaLaurie. So we’re researching what actually happened to her. How did she go from being this creature to Jeffrey Dahmer? What happened?” I’m not sure I want to see what happened!

As for Queenie, she’ll be experiencing her own difficulties in the upcoming episodes. As she’s now a member of the voodoo witches, Murphy says, “Yes she’s trying to acclimate with that culture. She finds it both liberating but the truth of the matter is she does miss her friends over at the Robichaux house. She’s a lady torn.”

As for Spalding’s fate? He’s apparently not gone for long. “Well the interesting thing about that is he does come back of course,” said Murphy. “I think Spalding as a ghostly entity is almost more interesting than real life Spalding because he has many many many secrets. He knows where literally all the bodies are buried. The question is, who is he going to come back to protect?”

We have a lot more to be excited about next episode, though. Cordelia has a lot of work to do. “Well something happens in the next episode that is very eye-opening and illuminating for Cordelia which is this idea that no matter how much she hates her mother and no matter how horrible she is Fiona really is the strongest witch of them all,” said Murphy. “Do you get rid of your strongest player at a time when the witch hunters are trying to kill you? Also, Fiona is so smart she’s going to know if her daughter is trying to off her.” So they’re going to attempt something intense in the next episode. “It’s a tradition that dates back to the Salem days. Sometimes to protect other witches, a witch is allowed to create a sacred act, which is taking her own life. It is about that idea and the question is you know Fiona’s not going to go there on her own accord so the other witches try and get to her a place of trying to do that.”

Murphy even gave us some information about later episodes. Apparently Hank is going to wreak quite a lot of havoc soon. “Well he’s planning a big big big doomsday event, which we deal with in our winter cliffhanger, which is two episodes from now. It’s not pretty. It’s a great episode called ‘Head.’ Everything is about things that happen in the head.” Oh boy, we’d better get prepared!

[reece(:]

Apparently Delphine gets beheaded and when her head is sewn back on she returns to her old evil self

[Ammi]

..I'm so gutted that I can't watch this atm and trying not to look at any spoilers..:'(...

[reece(:]

http://vt.tumblr.com/tumblr_mxbmta0uMl1ruz6lg.mp4#_= <3 <3 <3 <3

[james130]

Was really disappointed with this weeks episode.
Would have liked more of Queenie/Laveau
and I could see the headless LaLaurie thing from a mile away.

Next weeks looks much better!

[Smithy]

I thought it was a really good ep, next weeks looks great too

Next weeks is the last ep until the new year though :sad:

[swinearefine]

Meh, was pretty unimpressed. I loved this season to begin with, but I like every episode less and less. I want more Laveau, Queenie, LaLaurie, Misty, and Myrtle. Don't really care about any of the other characters. Kyle is a waste of space, Zoe is dull, Madison should have stayed dead since she's done nothing since she's been back, and Cordelia has no charisma whatsoever. I miss Asylum :( it was the perfect show, hopefully next year they can return to that caliber. Coven seems like they're making it up as they go along, and not doing a very good job of it.

[james130]

Meh, was pretty unimpressed. I loved this season to begin with, but I like every episode less and less. I want more Laveau, Queenie, LaLaurie, Misty, and Myrtle. Don't really care about any of the other characters. Kyle is a waste of space, Zoe is dull, Madison should have stayed dead since she's done nothing since she's been back, and Cordelia has no charisma whatsoever. I miss Asylum :( it was the perfect show, hopefully next year they can return to that caliber. Coven seems like they're making it up as they go along, and not doing a very good job of it.

Agree with this tbf.

[Tom4784]

I thought it was a fun episode, Myrtle Snow is a fierce bitch.

The past few episodes have just been setting up the mid series finale I think, hopefully it'll all pay off. I do hope they develop Marie's character a bit more though, she was interesting at first but now she's just an unsympathetic 2D villain.

Also why are all the mothers on this show ****ed up?