Woolwich murder- Police suspecting terrorist attack

[Vicky.]

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=549783901731849&set=vb.100001007321034&type=2&theater

Can these people just be deported or something...I'd rather them go than the Muslim immigrants they so vehemently despise.

Its ridiculous isnt it.

My friends list exploded with a load of anti-islam **** too. Its quite embarassing how a whole religion gets blamed for the actions of a couple of nutjobs

[Lee.]

because I have been in life or death situations, we live in dangerous times.

The fact that anybody is not shocked by this upsets me.

What the **** has the world come to when two human beings can use meat cleavers to brutally hack another human being to death on a busy street and then somebody says it doesn't shock them?!

[Scarlett.]

Why are we calling him a terrorist? It's like giving the insane **** some sort of badge, he's just a murderer.

[Mrluvaluva]

so it got worse now

Sorry Marcus. It was all over in less than an hour apparently..

PCQF5xKBH-g

[thesheriff443]

The fact that anybody is not shocked by this upsets me.

What the **** has the world come to when two human beings can use meat cleavers to brutally hack another human being to death on a busy street and then somebody says it doesn't shock them?!

this type of thing happens around the world, gangs running around chopping up men women and children.

[MTVN]

Why are we calling him a terrorist? It's like giving the insane **** some sort of badge, he's just a murderer.

Not sure I agree really, when a murder acquires a political character it crosses the line into terrorism and I think that's the case here, from the video it seems the guy is very concious of his actions and his motivations for them

[Omah]

As someone else said...his point is perfectly reasonable and I can totally understand the reasonings behind it, but an eye for an eye never works and this is truly just as disgusting as what he is condemning.

Excuse me, but what point is "perfectly reasonable" ..... :conf:

[Lee.]

this type of thing happens around the world, gangs running around chopping up men women and children.

And that makes it less shocking how?

[Scarlett.]

Not sure I agree really, when a murder acquires a political character it crosses the line into terrorism and I think that's the case here, from the video it seems the guy is very concious of his actions and his motivations for them

but by calling them terrorists, you're playing into their hands, they want to spread fear, if you call them crazed killers, people just blame the individuals. People say he's concious of his actions, but to be honest, someone shouting bull**** in the streets holding a cleaver and knife in their bloodied hands, beside a body they just beheaded is nothing short of utterly nuts.

[arista]

Why are we calling him a terrorist? It's like giving the insane **** some sort of badge, he's just a murderer.


Because they are
One is from Nigeria.


They a Typical cowards
Drove over him first

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2013/5/22/239192/default/v1/23may1national01-1-329x437.jpg

[Jack_]

Its ridiculous isnt it.

My friends list exploded with a load of anti-islam **** too. Its quite embarassing how a whole religion gets blamed for the actions of a couple of nutjobs

Mine too, I'm so disappointed by some of the stuff I've read by some people I know. It appears social media on the whole seem to be very 50/50 on scapegoating all Muslims/thinking that's pathetic, when I would've thought those peddling the anti-Islam rhetoric would've been in the minority. It's saddening that they seemingly aren't.

The mentality behind it is so ill informed and as you say, utterly embarrassing. I've seen comments like 'get back to your own county if you don't like our rules' and 'David Cameron needs to get all the immigrants to leave' (that one is dumb on so many levels). It's astounding. But that's the power of a right-wing media. Honestly, the amount of kids that go on about Muslims/immigrants/benefits in a derogatory manner is appalling. These kids are just spoonfed this misinformed bile every day wherever they go and it's perpetuated by their family and friends, it's like a vicious circle.

[Brother Leon]

Because they are
One is from Nigeria.


They a Typical cowards
Drove over him first

Not that he is or isn't one, don't really care....but how is he being from Nigeria meaning he is a terrorist?

What dumb ****ing logic.

[thesheriff443]

And that makes it less shocking how?

its less shocking to me because im well aware of these murders and the images that go with them, and other crime that involve children and their parents.

[Jack_]

Excuse me, but what point is "perfectly reasonable" ..... :conf:

I'll respond to that point when you justify your racist remark a few pages back and explain to me how it's surprising that a black man is 'well spoken'.

[Scarlett.]

Because they are
One is from Nigeria.


They a Typical cowards
Drove over him first

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2013/5/22/239192/default/v1/23may1national01-1-329x437.jpg

But there it is again, a nutcases words, printed for the masses to see, the guy is obviously insane and not representative of what Muslims are like, yet, his words are printed as if they are.

[arista]

Not that he is or isn't one, don't really care....but how is he being from Nigeria meaning he is a terrorist?

What dumb ****ing logic.

http://www.thisislocallondon.co.uk/resources/images/2462045.jpg
Nigeria - This one


Because its full of terrorists


Feck me look at that Killing in Nigeria , not that long ago
English charity worker and that Itlalian
both shot in the head

[arista]

But there it is again, a nutcases words, printed for the masses to see, the guy is obviously insane and not representative of what Muslims are like, yet, his words are printed as if they are.



Extreme Muslims Yes

[MTVN]

but by calling them terrorists, you're playing into their hands, they want to spread fear, if you call them crazed killers, people just blame the individuals. People say he's concious of his actions, but to be honest, someone shouting bull**** in the streets holding a cleaver and knife in their bloodied hands, beside a body they just beheaded is nothing short of utterly nuts.

I don't know, I think it's a bit flippant to dismiss him as insane & I don't imagine they would consider 'terrorist' to be anything like a badge of honour, I'd have thought they'd find it insulting to have their actions demeaned in such a way and would probably argue that our army are the terrorists.

[arista]

[Mum talked down Woolwich terrorists
who told her: 'We want to start a war in London tonight']

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/10074881/Mum-talked-down-Woolwich-terrorists-who-told-her-We-want-to-start-a-war-in-London-tonight.html

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02570/Woolwich-2nd-perso_2570580d.jpg
The mother talking to the Nigerian Terrorist

[Scarlett.]

I don't know, I think it's a bit flippant to dismiss him as insane & I don't imagine they would consider 'terrorist' to be anything like a badge of honour, I'd have thought they'd find it insulting to have their actions demeaned in such a way and would probably argue that our army are the terrorists.

The guys obviously wanted to get a message across, and didn't care about the outcome, them being classed as "terrorists" will stick in peoples minds more than "killers". I think it is right to call them insane, no sane person would run someone down and cut off his head for wearing a "Help for heroes" t-shirt.

[Jack_]

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=338323772962416&set=vb.100003543889134&type=2&theater

:love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love:

[Brother Leon]

http://www.thisislocallondon.co.uk/resources/images/2462045.jpg
Nigeria - This one


Because its full of terrorists


Feck me look at that Killing in Nigeria , not that long ago
English charity worker and that Itlalian
both shot in the head

Not gonna entertain this ****.

[GypsyGoth]

Yea I think that's unfair on Nigeria arista, yep there are terrorists there, but the majority of people there are decent. So it's not at all right to say it's full of terrorists.

[JohnnyBB]

im suprised theres been no message of support from the president yet wondering if camerons pissed him off.

[Benjamin]

Yea I think that's unfair on Nigeria arista, yep there are terrorists there, but the majority of people there are decent. So it's not at all right to say it's full of terrorists.

Yeah, I agree. A few of my closest friends are Nigerian and they are not terrorists. You cannot generalize everyone like that.

[Lee.]

its less shocking to me because im well aware of these murders and the images that go with them, and other crime that involve children and their parents.

I'm sorry, but I don't understand your logic.

A man, safe in his own country, was chopped to bits in cold blood in a busy street full of other innocent bystanders.

Regardless of other atrocities on the world, this is horrific and terrifying!

[Omah]

I'll respond to that point when you justify your racist remark a few pages back and explain to me how it's surprising that a black man is 'well spoken'.

That's not what I said ..... :nono:

I said "The "fanatic" is surprisingly black and well-spoken" ..... :idc:

At 1930, the news program I was watching described a "terrorist" attack having taken place in Woolwich where one of the assailants (no ethnicity or race mentioned) had been shouting incoherently except for one phrase "Allahu Akbar”, which, AFAIK, is an Islamic phrase which Muslims use, meaning "God is great".

I was therefore surprised when, later, linked on this site to a video which showed a black man speaking English very well* (or with "reason") when most of Britain's Muslims are of Pakistani/Indian/Bangladeshi origin or ethnicity and such extremists as belong to those origin/ethnicities are frequently portrayed as being lacking in English language communication and presentation skills **.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22624100

* "We must fight them as they fight us. An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth," said the Woolwich attacker who spoke with a London accent. "I apologise that women have had to witness this today, but in our land our women have to see the same."



** See Parviz Khan link in post #281.

Now explain your remark, as I requested, please ..... :pipe:

[Kizzy]

I couldn't believe on the news, the lady walking by him with a shopping trolley as he spoke to the bus passengers covered in blood holding 2 machetes... totally surreal.

[Lee.]

I couldn't believe on the news, the lady walking by him with a shopping trolley as he spoke to the bus passengers covered in blood holding 2 machetes... totally surreal.

Yeah, she seemed completely oblivious, or just desperate to get home for her cup of tea... She certainly didn't seem interested in anything going on around her!

[Omah]

I couldn't believe on the news, the lady walking by him with a shopping trolley as he spoke to the bus passengers covered in blood holding 2 machetes... totally surreal.

Yeah, many aspects of this "terrorist incident" are not what we have become "used to" ..... :idc:

[Omah]

http://www.channel4.com/news/woolwich-attack-chilling-echoes-of-a-previous-plot

In 2007 anti-terror officers uncovered a plot in Birmingham to kidnap and behead a serving British, Muslim soldier.

For six months, under the codename Operation Gamble, detectives had been investigating a group of men from Birmingham whom they suspected of a gruesome plot - to kidnap and behead a British soldier. The leader of the group was a 37 year old from Alum Rock named Parviz Khan. The group of plotters was mainly composed of Muslims of Pakistani origin.

The security services had placed a bug in the home of Khan, and this provided much of the evidence in the case. In court, a jury heard that Khan's motive was to undermine the morale of the British Army and to inhibit the recruitment of Muslims.

In one of the recordings, Khan was heard outlining his plan to co-defendant Basiru Gassama: "We give the judgment... well then cut it (the head) off like you cut a pig, man.

On 31 January 2007, just before 4:00 am, 100s of officers raided eight homes and four businesses, including a corner store, two Islamic bookstores and an internet cafe.

Nine men were arrested, six were later charged. Parviz Khan went on to admit the plot and was sentenced to life imprisonment, with a minimum of 14 years.


Parviz Khan taught sons: This is how you slit the throats of your enemies

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/beheading-fanatic-parviz-khan-taught-294158

Parviz Khan, 37, was secretly taped at home telling Ibrar, five: "What do you do with these people? How do you kill them? Cut their neck. Show me."

The dad of four was heard praising his son for making a throat-slitting gesture, telling him: "Good."

Khan was also overheard asking the lads: "Who do you love?" They chanted: "Sheikh Osama bin Laden" and "Sheikh Abu Hamza".

He asked "Who do you hate? Who do you kill?" One son yelled: "America, I kill. Bush, I kill. Blair, I kill."

Khan was also recorded boasting of how he planned for three-year-old daughter Samian to travel to Afghanistan when she grew up so she could marry a mujahadeen and give birth to a third generation of fanatics.

:sad:

[Novo]

Sad thing is what the guy said to the camera is semi true, but his disgusting actions have made his point redundant.

**** me, did you really just say that?


Makes me feel sick that someone who would risk his life for this country can be cowardly murdered by a couple of wasters in daylight. i've heard so many awful stories in my life but this will stay with me forever, i feel nothing but pure hate for them.

[Brother Leon]

**** me, did you really just say that?


What?
Inform what he said couldn't be classified as "Semi True"

He has a point about how what the witnesses just saw, as horrible as it is.... is what kids and Women have to see everyday in other parts of the world... and alot of it due to UK Soldiers. He's right about the Government and Army involvement in certain countries. He's just an animal for feeling the need to prove his point the way he did and makes his points redundant.

[Novo]

What?
Inform what he said couldn't be classified as "Semi True"

He has a point about how what the witnesses just saw, as horrible as it is.... is what kids and children have to see everyday in other parts of the world... and alot of it due to UK Soldiers. He's right about the Government and Army involvement in certain countries. He's just an animal for feeling the need to prove his point the way he did and makes his points redundant.

Without the Army in those countries that stuff would be happening on a larger scale.. so no he doesn't really have any point, blaming our Soldiers is just defecting any kind of responsibility, he's basically saying we shouldn't have a Government and the irony in the countries which they talk about are so ****ed up because they aren't governed probably

[lostalex]

What a shocking attack. It's also crazy to see him just standing there afterwards talking to people, not even trying to escape. He's standing like he hasn't done anything wrong, he had every right. He clearly has no regret at all.

By this terrorist's logic i have a right to kill every muslim, because muslims attack homosexuals every day, so i guess i have a right to butcher every muslim I see in the street. An attack on 1 homosexual is an attack on all homosexuals, right?

What an evil piece of ****.

[Nedusa]

I don't understand how members of the public seeing this poor young man hacked to death by these two madmen could calmly walk up to them and engage in dialogue . Especially as they still had bloodied Meat cleavers in their hands.

In fact the whole incident is shocking on so many levels one does not even know where to start dissecting this...

I like most people in this Country am in a state of shock...!!!

[joeysteele]

I don't understand how members of the public seeing this poor young man hacked to death by these two madmen could calmly walk up to them and engage in dialogue . Especially as they still had bloodied Meat cleavers in their hands.

In fact the whole incident is shocking on so many levels one does not even know where to start dissecting this...

I like most people in this Country am in a state of shock...!!!

The whole thing is beyond belief when you watch the footage, shock is the word to describe how a great many must feel.
Sick is what I feel too.
I just keep thinking of the Soldier and his family,what a horrific nightmare for him to have had to endure and then his family to live with for the rest of their lives knowing what happened.

[Cherie]

I don't understand how members of the public seeing this poor young man hacked to death by these two madmen could calmly walk up to them and engage in dialogue . Especially as they still had bloodied Meat cleavers in their hands.

In fact the whole incident is shocking on so many levels one does not even know where to start dissecting this...

I like most people in this Country am in a state of shock...!!!

From what I understand one of the women was on the bus, as she thought the man on the floor had been involved in a road accident she got off the bus and went to help him, it was at this point she realised the men had little axes, and knifes, and at that point she engaged them in dialogue, she is a very brave lady indeed.

[AnnieK]

Unless faced with such a situation, it's pretty impossible to know what you would do I think. Such an absolute horrific sight to be faced with. I pray I never experience it but I can't say if I would have done anything differently to what the people yesterday did...your body acts in a funny way when faced with such extremes. There were some very brave people from what I have seen talking to knife, axe and gun wielding perpetrators.

[SharkAttack]

Unless faced with such a situation, it's pretty impossible to know what you would do I think. Such an absolute horrific sight to be faced with. I pray I never experience it but I can't say if I would have done anything differently to what the people yesterday did...your body acts in a funny way when faced with such extremes. There were some very brave people from what I have seen talking to knife, axe and gun wielding perpetrators.

People get "shell-shocked" or confused, perhaps they didn't know what had truly happened, I think, until later. And I mean that in terms of who was lying on the ground behind the culprit. Still, Good God, a meat cleaver and chef's blade is the perfect reason to steer clear of *any* one. The man obviously wasn't coming off a fish-gutting expedition.

More word will come tomorrow, as news goes, there is more to this story. The "suspects" will be questioned, and hopefully brought to proper justice.

<feels nauseous>

[arista]

This Is Ironic From CNN, The Boston Bomber wrote eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth inside the boat when he was captured in, im now thinking these are linked?


Its Terrorist Type Talking
what he said in Woolwich yesterday
was fresh from a Terrorist Web Site

[thesheriff443]

I'm sorry, but I don't understand your logic.

A man, safe in his own country, was chopped to bits in cold blood in a busy street full of other innocent bystanders.

Regardless of other atrocities on the world, this is horrific and terrifying!

you don't need to understand my logic, no one is safe in there own country!
its only that these types of murders don't happen that often it gives you a sense of being safe.

[Jesus.]

you don't need to understand my logic, no one is safe in there own country!
its only that these types of murders don't happen that often it gives you a sense of being safe.

Eh?

Logic dictates the rarity of these events, proves we're generally safe in the UK.

This murder doesn't prove your point, it proves the opposite.

[thesheriff443]

Eh?

Logic dictates the rarity of these events, proves we're generally safe in the UK.

This murder doesn't prove your point, it proves the opposite.

your more safe in the uk but these types of murders happen on a daily basis around the world.

all anyone needs to know is im a hard bastard and have seen someone chopped in the face and head several times with a samurai sword.

[Lee.]

your more safe in the uk but these types of murders happen on a daily basis around the world.

all anyone needs to know is im a hard bastard and have seen someone chopped in the face and head several times with a samurai sword.

So you're desensitised to violence? I think that is a big problem in society.
It STILL doesn't make yesterday's murder any less shocking to most of us though.

[thesheriff443]

So you're desensitised to violence? I think that is a big problem in society.
It STILL doesn't make yesterday's murder any less shocking to most of us though.

im not saying its not shocking to most, april jones was playing on her street she was kidnapped raped and then cut up into little bits and burned.

we need the the death penalty brought back to a least get some sort of justice.

[Livia]

no im not shocked livia its no different to teenage gangs running round the streets stabbing another school kid to death!
yes people need to get a grip and sit down and shut up or should we all go and blame some muslim family and burn their house down.

soldiers and their family's know the risks more so in Ireland
I give you know one can be prepared for a killing like this.

Losing a soldier as a result of battle is one thing. Having him hacked to death in a London street is another. I lost my husband as a result of wounds received in Afghanistan. That was hard enough to cope with, I will never get over it, and trust me, although you are aware of the risks you are never prepared to lose the man you love when you still have your whole life in front of you. However, what this soldier's family will have to deal with is beyond my comprehension. They've already seen pictures of his dead body plastered all over the news, flashed all round the Internet, and diminished by people like you who think people should get a grip and come to terms with this kind of atrocity.

[Marc]

I feel sorry for those in the hospital having to treat these evil monsters. Must be difficult to want to keep these guys alive or treat them

[Lee.]

im not saying its not shocking to most, april jones was playing on her street she was kidnapped raped and then cut up into little bits and burned.

we need the the death penalty brought back to a least get some sort of justice.

... So, did you find the April Jones case shocking?

[Marc]

Losing a soldier as a result of battle is one thing. Having him hacked to death in a London street is another. I lost my husband as a result of wounds received in Afghanistan. That was hard enough to cope with, I will never get over it, and trust me, although you are aware of the risks you are never prepared to lose the man you love when you still have your whole life in front of you. However, what this soldier's family will have to deal with is beyond my comprehension. They've already seen pictures of his dead body plastered all over the news, flashed all round the Internet, and diminished by people like you who think people should get a grip and come to terms with this kind of atrocity.
:hug:

[Livia]

What?
Inform what he said couldn't be classified as "Semi True"

He has a point about how what the witnesses just saw, as horrible as it is.... is what kids and Women have to see everyday in other parts of the world... and alot of it due to UK Soldiers. He's right about the Government and Army involvement in certain countries. He's just an animal for feeling the need to prove his point the way he did and makes his points redundant.

Jesus Christ... Really... try to find your news from something other than social media.

[thesheriff443]

Losing a soldier as a result of battle is one thing. Having him hacked to death in a London street is another. I lost my husband as a result of wounds received in Afghanistan. That was hard enough to cope with, I will never get over it, and trust me, although you are aware of the risks you are never prepared to lose the man you love when you still have your whole life in front of you. However, what this soldier's family will have to deal with is beyond my comprehension. They've already seen pictures of his dead body plastered all over the news, flashed all round the Internet, and diminished by people like you who think people should get a grip and come to terms with this kind of atrocity.

livia im truly sorry you have had this happen to you, for the family of this soldier they will be devastated and for anyone who has lost a loved one thru being murdered.
but we live in a dangerous world.
the images of these events are not under any ones control anymore, and I cant see it changing.

[thesheriff443]

... So, did you find the April Jones case shocking?

no, we have seen many of these crimes now, and the sad thing is it wont be the last.

[lime]

The EDL are a strange bunch .I watched one being interviewed last night complaining about muslim women wearing the burka whilst he was wearing a balaclava

[Vanessa]

Looks like there's a Cobra meeting this morning. :suspect:

[Lee.]

no, we have seen many of these crimes now, and the sad thing is it wont be the last.

I find your lack of empathy sad

[joeysteele]

Losing a soldier as a result of battle is one thing. Having him hacked to death in a London street is another. I lost my husband as a result of wounds received in Afghanistan. That was hard enough to cope with, I will never get over it, and trust me, although you are aware of the risks you are never prepared to lose the man you love when you still have your whole life in front of you. However, what this soldier's family will have to deal with is beyond my comprehension. They've already seen pictures of his dead body plastered all over the news, flashed all round the Internet, and diminished by people like you who think people should get a grip and come to terms with this kind of atrocity.

Really appropriate post Livia and full of fact and sensitivity too. I agree with all you have said.
For me, since this barbaric murder was made known last night, all I can think of is the truly horrific end to his life this Soldier had but to also just try to think too how his family must be feeling.

If this were my Brother, cousin friend or for that matter even anyone I just knew,I haven't a single idea how I would start to cope with this.
For his family it must now be a long running living nightmare of the worst possible scale.

(Shark Attack put feeling nauseous in their post above, that is also very appropriate,I feel that every time as more and more of this horror is made known).

Really strong thoughtful post Livia,very well said.

[arista]

The men - one of whom has been named as Michael Adeboloja - were arrested
following the hacking to death of a serving soldier in the
street in Woolwich, southeast London.
Sky's crime correspondent Martin Brunt
said Adeboloja is a 28-year-old Londoner of Nigerian descent.


http://news.sky.com/story/1094560/woolwich-terror-murder-suspect-named

[Kizzy]

This man is just the type recruited into extremist groups easily influenced, disaffected angry young men.
They can then be coerced into acts of terrorism, this is the problem today, the 'enemy' could be anywhere in any guise.

[arista]

Loose women debate it live now

[Kizzy]

I would rather gouge out my eyes with rusty spoons than watch that.

[arista]

I would rather gouge out my eyes with rusty spoons than watch that.


come on Kizzy

Janet Street Porter has a fair view

[Lee.]

I would rather gouge out my eyes with rusty spoons than watch that.

Same. Make that red hot, rusty spoons in fact

[arista]

at least they talked about it

[Kizzy]

come on Kizzy

Janet Street Porter has a fair view

She used to be great...but even she is as bland as them now.

[Omah]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22634468

Both suspects in the killing of a serving soldier in London were known to security services, senior Whitehall sources have confirmed to the BBC.

One of the suspects is understood to be 28-year-old Muslim convert Michael Adebolajo, according to sources.

According to BBC sources, Mr Adebolajo comes from a devout Christian family but took up Islam after leaving college in 2001.

He was described as "bright and witty" when he was at college.

So, he was only 16 when he was "turned" .... :idc:

[arista]

[Suspect identified on internet forums
as Michael Adebolajo
He was filmed ranting with bloodied hands
shortly after the attack
Police raid house thought to be his father's
home in Lincolnshire village
Suspects in attack on a soldier are not
believed to be part of a terror group
Both have been arrested and are being
treated in separate hospitals after being shot by police
David Cameron: 'We will defeat violent extremism by standing together']

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/05/23/article-2329470-19F4406F000005DC-300_634x479.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/05/23/article-2329470-19F241AD000005DC-156_634x681.jpg



Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2329470/Michael-Adebolajo-named-Woolwich-killers.html#ixzz2U7KUwf00


http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2013/5/23/239284/default/v1/woolwich-attackers-split-2-named-1-626x352.jpg

[Brother Leon]

Jesus Christ... Really... try to find your news from something other than social media.

I don't have Twitter or FB. Use Twitter for football news.


Try again.

[Omah]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2329470/Michael-Adebolajo-named-Woolwich-killers.html#ixzz2U7QGekwB

Michael Adeboloja, 28, was born in Lambeth, south London, in 1985 to a Christian family of Nigerian descent.

At the age of 15 or 16 he started getting involved in Islam and started to speak about Jihadi ideas.

He joined several extremist groups - including Al Muhajiroun - that were banned in Britain and in 2003 converted to Islam, calling himself Mujaheed while at Marshalls Park School*.

Fearing he had become radicalised, his parents moved him away from Romford to a village in Lincolnshire.

Concerned parents, a comfortable home, a good school - where did it all go wrong for Adeboloja?

* OFSTED :

“The school effectively promotes students’ personal development, which results in a positive, inclusive school environment where staff and students work very well together……Students of all backgrounds get on well together because the school ethos effectively promotes tolerance and understanding…..Good relationships between students and between students and staff, good teacher subject knowledge and focused intervention for students falling behind in their learning are raising attainment”.

[Jesus.]

WTF has the guys school got to do with anything? The 9/11 bombers were graduates.

Extremism is not only the practice of the poor and uneducated.

[Kizzy]

I don't think this was part of an 'organised' terrorist plot, the fact it is so shocking is it has that 'amateur' feel to it.
A suicide bomber targeting buildings and planes we are aware of and are prepared for, these random acts of murder we are not.
COBRA will want to know how likely it is for this type of violence to happen again.

[Omah]

WTF has the guys school got to do with anything? The 9/11 bombers were graduates.

Extremism is not only the practice of the poor and uneducated.

I also mentioned parents and home ..... :rolleyes:

[Jack_]

An interesting take on the events

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22634095

[Kizzy]

WTF has the guys school got to do with anything? The 9/11 bombers were graduates.

Extremism is not only the practice of the poor and uneducated.

He isn't saying he was poor or uneducated, he was radicalised at a impressionable age... brainwashed, this is how they work to infiltrate the UK.

[Brother Leon]

The men - one of whom has been named as Michael Adeboloja - were arrested
following the hacking to death of a serving soldier in the
street in Woolwich, southeast London.
Sky's crime correspondent Martin Brunt
said Adeboloja is a 28-year-old Londoner of Nigerian descent.


http://news.sky.com/story/1094560/woolwich-terror-murder-suspect-named

Yeah. We get it dude. No wonder he done this. He's Nigerian :o

[Omah]

An interesting take on the events

I'm glad you're back Jack :


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/10074881/Mum-talked-down-Woolwich-terrorists-who-told-her-We-want-to-start-a-war-in-London-tonight.html



As someone else said...his point is perfectly reasonable and I can totally understand the reasonings behind it, but an eye for an eye never works and this is truly just as disgusting as what he is condemning.

Excuse me, but what point is "perfectly reasonable" ..... :conf:

I'll respond to that point when you justify your racist remark a few pages back and explain to me how it's surprising that a black man is 'well spoken'.

That's not what I said ..... :nono:

I said "The "fanatic" is surprisingly black and well-spoken" ..... :idc:

At 1930, the news program I was watching described a "terrorist" attack having taken place in Woolwich where one of the assailants (no ethnicity or race mentioned) had been shouting incoherently except for one phrase "Allahu Akbar”, which, AFAIK, is an Islamic phrase which Muslims use, meaning "God is great".

I was therefore surprised when, later, linked on this site to a video which showed a black man speaking English very well* (or with "reason") when most of Britain's Muslims are of Pakistani/Indian/Bangladeshi origin or ethnicity and such extremists as belong to those origin/ethnicities are frequently portrayed as being lacking in English language communication and presentation skills **.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22624100

* "We must fight them as they fight us. An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth," said the Woolwich attacker who spoke with a London accent. "I apologise that women have had to witness this today, but in our land our women have to see the same."



** See Parviz Khan link in post #281.

Now explain your remark, as I requested, please ..... :pipe:

#281

http://www.channel4.com/news/woolwich-attack-chilling-echoes-of-a-previous-plot



Parviz Khan taught sons: This is how you slit the throats of your enemies

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/beheading-fanatic-parviz-khan-taught-294158



:sad:


I've been waiting for your response ..... :dance2:

[Brother Leon]

Keep seeing this guy when I see the second person...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f0/The_Wire_Partlow.jpg

[Jesus.]

He isn't saying he was poor or uneducated, he was radicalised at a impressionable age... brainwashed, this is how they work to infiltrate the UK.

Concerned parents, a comfortable home, a good school - where did it all go wrong for Adeboloja?

That's nonsense, Kizzy.

[arista]

Keep seeing this guy when I see the second person...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f0/The_Wire_Partlow.jpg


http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/05/23/article-2329470-19F187B4000005DC-388_634x521.jpg

We only have a distant photo of the other killer

[Kizzy]

That's nonsense, Kizzy.

It actually isn't jesus, and watching jacks clip I see that the guy has a similar stance on it.
If you don't agree with me fine, I won't suggest your comments are nonsense and would appreciate if you do the same.

[Omah]

That's nonsense, Kizzy.

That's balderdash Jesus ..... :joker:

[Jesus.]

It actually isn't jesus, and watching jacks clip I see that the guy has a similar stance on it.
If you don't agree with me fine, I won't suggest your comments are nonsense and would appreciate if you do the same.

As you interjected in a conversation that wasn't yours to begin with, then maybe that should identify how you could avoided having your point identified as nonsense to begin with.

School and family has nothing to do with radicalisation.

[Kizzy]

As you interjected in a conversation that wasn't yours to begin with, then maybe that should identify how you could avoided having your point identified as nonsense to begin with.

School and family has nothing to do with radicalisation.

:conf: this is a forum jesus, I will interject if I wish.
I didn't say it had, anyway I'm leaving the debate for a bit as you are beginning your usual assault.

[arista]

It was a Police Women who shot the two
Islamic Terrorists to the ground


Good on her
to act so fast

[Omah]

As you interjected in a conversation that wasn't yours to begin with, then maybe that should identify how you could avoided having your point identified as nonsense to begin with.

School and family has nothing to do with radicalisation.

IYO ..... :shrug:

[Jesus.]

Bye then.

[Omah]

Bye then.

:xyxwave:

[Jesus.]

IYO ..... :shrug:

Please explain the 9/11 hijackers to me then?

[Omah]

Bye then.

Please explain the 9/11 hijackers to me then?

I thought you were history ..... :laugh2:

[Vanessa]

I haven't watched the video yet. I can't bring myself to. I just don't understand how people could do this. :(

[Jesus.]

I thought you were history ..... :laugh2:

I was saying goodbye to Kizzy who said she was leaving the thread.

[Omah]

I was saying goodbye to Kizzy who said she was leaving the thread.

So am I ..... :xyxwave:

[Jesus.]

So am I ..... :xyxwave:

http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6011956&postcount=339

[Marcus.]

I haven't watched the video yet. I can't bring myself to. I just don't understand how people could do this. :(

it not nice nessy

[Nedusa]

I feel sorry for those in the hospital having to treat these evil monsters. Must be difficult to want to keep these guys alive or treat them

Oh I think the very least we can do is keep them alive. No 72 virgins for these guys, no they need to be kept alive so they can enjoy decades of pain and regret mixed together with the odd bit of torture now and again.

No quick exit for these "men" ?? more a long life spent inside 4 brick walls with very little light, perhaps someone finally who does deserve Guantanamo Bay and all the delights it has to offer........!!!!

[Marcus.]

Help for Heroes website to crash because of lots of Surge in donations

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4939521/Help-for-Heroes-website-crashes-after-Woolwich-killing-causes-traffic-surge.html

[Nedusa]

Does anyone feel Muslim religious leaders need to be a bit more vocal in their condemnation of acts like these. Maybe the time has come for the Muslim communities to stand up a bit more and protest at the way their religion is used by extremists who carry out this type of atrocity.

Non Muslim British people go to great pains to distance normal peace loving Muslims from the maniac types who carry out these sorts of attack, but maybe now all Muslims from all walks of life should rise up with one voice and say enough is enough.

Perhaps the Islamic centres should look more closely at the style of teaching in Mosques and the truer beliefs of some of their Imams.

It would be nice if all religions (Incl Islam) stood together to condemn this type of barbarity once and for all and re-iterate that peace and love are the only way to move forward.

Or am I being too idealistic....????

[Omah]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/10074881/Mum-talked-down-Woolwich-terrorists-who-told-her-We-want-to-start-a-war-in-London-tonight.html

“And then when I went up there was this black guy with a revolver and a kitchen knife, he had what looked like butcher’s tools and he had a little axe, to cut the bones, and two large knives and he said 'move off the body’.

“So I thought 'OK, I don’t know what is going on here’ and he was covered with blood. I thought I had better start talking to him before he starts attacking somebody else. I thought these people usually have a message so I said 'what do you want?’

“I asked him if he did it and he said yes and I said why? And he said because he has killed Muslim people in Muslim countries, he said he was a British soldier and I said really and he said 'I killed him because he killed Muslims and I am fed up with people killing Muslims in Afghanistan they have nothing to do there.”

“He was not high, he was not on drugs, he was not an alcoholic or drunk, he was just distressed, upset. He was in full control of his decisions and ready to everything he wanted to do.

I said 'right now it is only you versus many people, you are going to lose, what would you like to do?’ and he said I would like to stay and fight.”


As someone else said...his point is perfectly reasonable and I can totally understand the reasonings behind it, but an eye for an eye never works and this is truly just as disgusting as what he is condemning.

Excuse me, but what point is "perfectly reasonable" ..... :conf:

I'll respond to that point when you justify your racist remark a few pages back and explain to me how it's surprising that a black man is 'well spoken'.

That's not what I said ..... :nono:

I said "The "fanatic" is surprisingly black and well-spoken" ..... :idc:

At 1930, the news program I was watching described a "terrorist" attack having taken place in Woolwich where one of the assailants (no ethnicity or race mentioned) had been shouting incoherently except for one phrase "Allahu Akbar”, which, AFAIK, is an Islamic phrase which Muslims use, meaning "God is great".

I was therefore surprised when, later, linked on this site to a video which showed a black man speaking English very well* (or with "reason") when most of Britain's Muslims are of Pakistani/Indian/Bangladeshi origin or ethnicity and such extremists as belong to those origin/ethnicities are frequently portrayed as being lacking in English language communication and presentation skills **.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22624100

* "We must fight them as they fight us. An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth," said the Woolwich attacker who spoke with a London accent. "I apologise that women have had to witness this today, but in our land our women have to see the same."



** See Parviz Khan link in post #281.

Now explain your remark, as I requested, please ..... :pipe:

http://www.channel4.com/news/woolwich-attack-chilling-echoes-of-a-previous-plot



Parviz Khan taught sons: This is how you slit the throats of your enemies

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/beheading-fanatic-parviz-khan-taught-294158



:sad:

I'm glad you're back Jack :

I've been waiting for your response ..... :dance2:


:bored:

[Omah]

Does anyone feel Muslim religious leaders need to be a bit more vocal in their condemnation of acts like these. Maybe the time has come for the Muslim communities to stand up a bit more and protest at the way their religion is used by extremists who carry out this type of atrocity.

Non Muslim British people go to great pains to distance normal peace loving Muslims from the maniac types who carry out these sorts of attack, but maybe now all Muslims from all walks of life should rise up with one voice and say enough is enough.

Perhaps the Islamic centres should look more closely at the style of teaching in Mosques and the truer beliefs of some of their Imams.

It would be nice if all religions (Incl Islam) stood together to condemn this type of barbarity once and for all and re-iterate that peace and love are the only way to move forward.

Or am I being too idealistic....????

BIB ..... Yes

[Kazanne]

Does anyone feel Muslim religious leaders need to be a bit more vocal in their condemnation of acts like these. Maybe the time has come for the Muslim communities to stand up a bit more and protest at the way their religion is used by extremists who carry out this type of atrocity.

Non Muslim British people go to great pains to distance normal peace loving Muslims from the maniac types who carry out these sorts of attack, but maybe now all Muslims from all walks of life should rise up with one voice and say enough is enough.

Perhaps the Islamic centres should look more closely at the style of teaching in Mosques and the truer beliefs of some of their Imams.

It would be nice if all religions (Incl Islam) stood together to condemn this type of barbarity once and for all and re-iterate that peace and love are the only way to move forward.

Or am I being too idealistic....????

No,I agree,they need to be seen condemning this barbaric behaviour otherwise it looks as though they are condoning it.Has anyone stood up yet?

[Marcus.]

they been told to cover up when not on duty

[arista]

Help for Heroes website to crash because of lots of Surge in donations

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4939521/Help-for-Heroes-website-crashes-after-Woolwich-killing-causes-traffic-surge.html


Marcus would you put a T-Shirt on in London?

[Marcus.]

Marcus would you put a T-Shirt on in London?

ermm
yeah but two promblems

1. they been told to cover up
2 i live in newcastle

[arista]

MOD say the Soldier that was killed
was Lee Rigby

25 years old

[Marcus.]

MOD say the Soldier that was killed
was Lee Rigby

25 years old

they named him

[arista]

they named him



http://news.sky.com/story/1094804/woolwich-terror-attack-soldier-named


Yes


[The soldier murdered in a terrorist attack near
a military barracks in Woolwich has
been named as Drummer Lee Rigby.
The 25-year-old, of 2nd Batallion the Royal Regiment
of Fusilliers, was killed in front of shocked onlookers.
Witnesses said he was attacked by two men with
a number of weapons, including knives and a meat cleaver,
while they shouted the name of "Allah".]

[Marcus.]

http://news.sky.com/story/1094804/woolwich-terror-attack-soldier-named


Yes

awwwwwwwwwwwwww:sad:

[arista]

He was a dad
2 year old son.

[Marcus.]

He was a dad
2 year old son.

oh it get sader

[Omah]

He was a dad
2 year old son.

How sad ..... :sad:

[arista]

He was from Manchester

[AnnieK]

So sad :sad:

Thoughts with his family in Manchester and friends...

[arista]

from Ch5NewsHD Live

He sent a text home home each evening to his mother
simply saying "he was alright"

Of course sadly yesterday no text went.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/05/23/article-2329516-19F5EA9D000005DC-167_306x423.jpg
25 year old Drummer Lee Rigby was Killed in London yesterday

[Kazanne]

from Ch5NewsHD Live

He sent a text home home each evening to his mother
simply saying "he was alright"

Of course sadly yesterday no text went.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/05/23/article-2329516-19F5EA9D000005DC-167_306x423.jpg
25 year old Drummer Lee Rigby was Killed in London yesterday

This is such a shame,so young with a baby too,RIP soldier Rigby.:bawling:

[Lee.]

God, when you put a name and face to that body we all saw lying on the road, it makes it even more unbearable to think about.

I hope his family eventually find peace

[Marcus.]

awwwwwwwwwwwwww

[AnnieK]

God, when you put a name and face to that body we all saw lying on the road, it makes it even more unbearable to think about.

I hope his family eventually find peace

Totally Lee.

The worst thing I wonder when they were told? Did they watch it unfold like the rest of us blissfully unaware it was their loved one? Doesn't bear thinking about.

[Kazanne]

Totally Lee.

The worst thing I wonder when they were told? Did they watch it unfold like the rest of us blissfully unaware it was their loved one? Doesn't bear thinking about.

I wondered that annie,imagine watching that and finding out it was your son/husband/father.it makes me shudder.

[Lee.]

Totally Lee.

The worst thing I wonder when they were told? Did they watch it unfold like the rest of us blissfully unaware it was their loved one? Doesn't bear thinking about.

No, it doesn't Annie... And watching those psychopaths with blood on his hands must be so distressing for them

[Ninastar]

that makes it so much more sad. his poor family.

[Nedusa]

Apparently he was deliberately targeted by the two assailants , as he worked in the nearby Army recruitment office he was followed and then attacked as they knew he was still serving in the Army.

Cold calculating nasty cowardly brutal murderers...!!!!

[Vicky.]

Got my haircut today and the old biddies were taking about this with the hairdresser. Old ladies were saying **** like 'we should send them all back, this happens all the time with them people' and stuff...and saying we should bring our boys home (that part I do agree with btw) and the hairdresser said that the only reason we are in their country is to stop them flooding our country with heroin (?!)

It was extremely hard to keep my mouth shut. I had skye with me so didnt want to cause a scene so I kept quiet. But the ****ing ignorance of some people is ridiculous.

[arista]

Breaking news:

Police have made two further arrests following Woolwich attack, Scotland Yard say

29 years old

[arista]

Got my haircut today and the old biddies were taking about this with the hairdresser. Old ladies were saying **** like 'we should send them all back, this happens all the time with them people' and stuff...and saying we should bring our boys home (that part I do agree with btw) and the hairdresser said that the only reason we are in their country is to stop them flooding our country with heroin (?!)

It was extremely hard to keep my mouth shut. I had skye with me so didnt want to cause a scene so I kept quiet. But the ****ing ignorance of some people is ridiculous.


Our troops will be home but a year to go or so.

[Marcus.]

an man and women aged 29

[arista]

a man and women aged 29


Yes both now arrested


http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/may/23/woolwich-latest-developments-live


http://news.sky.com/story/1094602/woolwich-terror-murder-live-updates


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2329757/Woolwich-attack-Man-woman-29-arrested-suspicion-conspiracy-murder-following-terror-attack.html

[Marcus.]

Yes both now arrested


http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/may/23/woolwich-latest-developments-live


http://news.sky.com/story/1094602/woolwich-terror-murder-live-updates


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2329757/Woolwich-attack-Man-woman-29-arrested-suspicion-conspiracy-murder-following-terror-attack.html

aye seen it now

[Ammi]

He was a dad
2 year old son.

....I don't even know where to begin with this..I don't know how a family will ever have peace with it and how he was killed....

[joeysteele]

....I don't even know where to begin with this..I don't know how a family will ever have peace with it and how he was killed....

Absolutely Ammi, this whole thing has had me really feeling sick all day thinking about it. His poor family, this must be a totally long and living nightmare for them now.

[Mystic Mock]

While what happened is disgusting and I hope that the people involved get tortured and god knows what else, I think it's OTT of the people on Facebook that are saying all Muslims should be kicked out of the country, after all not every Muslim was involved in the attack and it's just a ridiculous statement.

[joeysteele]

While what happened is disgusting and I hope that the people involved get tortured and god knows what else, I think it's OTT of the people on Facebook that are saying all Muslims should be kicked out of the country, after all not every Muslim was involved in the attack and it's just a ridiculous statement.

It is wrong to be saying that I agree,it is likely part of the kind of knee jerk reactions that the PM has warned against today.

[Marcus.]

yep same

[arista]

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02571/blog-four_2571629b.jpg
Top left: Anjem Choudary, centre, and Woolwich attacker Michael Adebolajo, left in the white hat, at a protest.

Choudary was just on Ch4News
he refused to say sorry for teaching M. Adebolajo

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anjem_Choudary

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/05/23/article-2329582-19F68DE2000005DC-756_634x478.jpg
On Ch4News

[bbfan1991]

RIP Lee Rigby:(. I cannot imagine what his family/friends/colleagues are feeling right now, my thoughts are with them.

These disconnected and vile extremists bring shame to their religion and do not represent it. Islam is a religion whose rules state that you must not harm or hurt other people.

I feel sorry for the majority of Muslims who are getting tarred with the same brush and who would condemn these attacks.

[Marcus.]

rip R.I.P Lee Rigb treanding

[Mystic Mock]

It is wrong to be saying that I agree,it is likely part of the kind of knee jerk reactions that the PM has warned against today.

I can't believe it but David Cameron is actually making sense.:shocked:

[Marcus.]

I can't believe it but David Cameron is actually making sense.:shocked:

aye mock

[Bluerang1]

I don't know the details but did they hack him in public? In front of the people? Couldn't someone have thrown something to knock them down?

[Ninastar]

the thing that annoys me is the fact that he said 'an eye for an eye' when if really, if he was truly that bothered, he'd go back to his own country and fight back.

[Marc]

Thankfully I've not yet seen any ignorant stupid people on Facebook

[Marc]

I don't know the details but did they hack him in public? In front of the people? Couldn't someone have thrown something to knock them down?

Apparently people thought these two guys were helping him because there was a car crashed on the pavement. So people thought 'okay they're helping him'... until well, it was too late and they noticed. They had a gun too so I think people were too scared.

It's hard to say how anybody might act in that situation

[Kizzy]

This is being discussed on question time now.

[Omah]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/10074881/Mum-talked-down-Woolwich-terrorists-who-told-her-We-want-to-start-a-war-in-London-tonight.html



As someone else said...his point is perfectly reasonable and I can totally understand the reasonings behind it, but an eye for an eye never works and this is truly just as disgusting as what he is condemning.

Excuse me, but what point is "perfectly reasonable" ..... :conf:

I'll respond to that point when you justify your racist remark a few pages back and explain to me how it's surprising that a black man is 'well spoken'.

Bad Jack ..... I had the courtesy to reply to you but you failed miserably to reply to me ..... :nono:

[Kazanne]

This is being discussed on question time now.

watching it too kizzy

[Kizzy]

As I said this afternoon more needs to be done to make young men and their families aware of the need to inform the authorities if they feel they are being targetted by extremist radical groups.
More information needs to be made available to make teachers, friends and families aware of the indications that signal that a young person may have been indoctrinated.

[arista]

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2013/5/23/239345/default/v1/daily-telegraph-230513-1-329x437.jpg

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2013/5/23/239343/default/v1/daily-express-230513-1-329x437.jpg

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2013/5/23/239350/default/v1/guardian-240513-1-329x437.jpg

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2013/5/23/239354/default/v1/240513-independent-1-778x437.jpg

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2013/5/23/239352/default/v1/240513-i-newspaper-front-1-329x437.jpg

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2013/5/23/239351/default/v1/daily-mail-240513-1-329x437.jpg

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2013/5/23/239355/default/v1/daily-mirror-240513-1-329x437.jpg

http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2013/5/23/239342/default/v1/daily-star-230513-1-329x437.jpg

[Kizzy]

I fill up everytime I see his face..

[GypsyGoth]

:sad:

[Ninastar]

I fill up everytime I see his face..

married with a 2 year old child... it gets worse with every bit of news you hear.

i hope his child remembers him and will know of the hero he is.

[joeysteele]

I fill up everytime I see his face..

I keep saying it but I feel really sick, this has had my attention most of today.

Since he was named and then the picture too, it just makes the whole thing even more of a tragedy and sickening if that was possible.

[Brother Leon]

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=84c_1369344545

Moment they got shot. Wow he got super close to getting a police.

[Jack_]

Omah will you stop being obsessive ffs, I'm not Katie Price.

I fail to understand why I need to explain my point, it's pretty obvious. He says he's sorry that women had to witness this, but that is what Muslim women around the world are having to witness - which is a perfectly reasonable point, his means of going about it however are not, because as we all know 'an eye for an eye' doesn't work. This attack is supposed to be (in his eyes at least) just that, an eye for an eye act to make a political point against British foreign policy. I agree with Leon for the most part.

[Novo]

The way that guy fall after he got shot :joker: it was like a Ronaldo style dive

[Omah]

http://www.channel4.com/news/woolwich-attack-second-suspect-name-michael-adebowale

The second suspect in the fatal attack on a soldier in Woolwich is named locally as 22-year-old Michael Adebowale, Channel 4 News can reveal.

A woman, who would not give her name, told Channel 4 News: "I know the family. I think Michael is a student at Greenwich University. I haven't seen him there for about three months. I don't know where he's been."

:idc:

[SharkAttack]

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=84c_1369344545

Moment they got shot. Wow he got super close to getting a police.

He didn't have a chance because he didn't have his car to drive over them first. And then decided to bring a knife to a gunfight. :nono:

[Nedusa]

I'm surprised he got so close to the armed response car but to look at it another way the closer he got the bigger target he made and the bullets would have more energy in them as they had less distance to travel,so in real terms he was just making the armed police officers jobs easier and certainly more effective...!!!

[lostalex]

I wish he killed himself.

[thesheriff443]

I'm surprised he got so close to the armed response car but to look at it another way the closer he got the bigger target he made and the bullets would have more energy in them as they had less distance to travel,so in real terms he was just making the armed police officers jobs easier and certainly more effective...!!!

I think they had just pulled on to the scene hence they ran at the car just as armed police where getting out.

[thesheriff443]

Apparently people thought these two guys were helping him because there was a car crashed on the pavement. So people thought 'okay they're helping him'... until well, it was too late and they noticed. They had a gun too so I think people were too scared.

It's hard to say how anybody might act in that situation

this what happened for sure, people went thinking it was an accident and found them self's next to two murderers, there would have been more killed if not for the fact their sole motive was to kill a soldier.

[Nedusa]

Just listening to some radical imam talking about how the killing of this soldier was entirely justified and that the Muslims who carried out this attack will be praised by Allah himself. This Imam went on to say that all soldiers in UK serving or non serving are legitimate targets and it is the DUTY of all Muslims to kill them.

He went on to say that all Non believers of Islam are enemies of Islam. At this point I am thinking religion usually equates to moral code of living and love and peace !! But Wtf is all this talk of killing non believers ??

Am I missing something here.... Why are young Muslims being indoctrinated with this evil ?? Who is doing this, is it being peddled on the Internet either way makes for very difficult listening...!!!!

[lime]

the thing that annoys me is the fact that he said 'an eye for an eye' when if really, if he was truly that bothered, he'd go back to his own country and fight back.
They were in their own country,they were born in Uk.

[lostalex]

They were in their own country,they were born in Uk.

Then he should have killed himself. He is British and his complaint is that the British have been killing Muslims, so why didn't he kill himself for being British?

[lime]

Then he should have killed himself. He is British and his complaint is that the British have been killing Muslims, so why didn't he kill himself for being British?
I would think they were expecting to be" martyred" because of the fact that they never left the scene and how they rushed at armed police waving their weapons.

[lostalex]

I would think they were expecting to be" martyred" because of the fact that they never left the scene and how they rushed at armed police waving their weapons.

It was pathetic watching him just stand there at the crime scene, talking to randoms, just waiting for cops to show up.

[Kizzy]

It is a political issue and nothing to do with religion, these fundamentalists are manipulating young muslims for their own political agenda.
They don't care about how many young men have to die to make their point, in exactly the same way as David Cameron doesn't care how many of our soldiers have to die.

[Jesus.]

It sort of is a religious issue. It would be impossible to use the dogma of the Jainism in a political manner like this, but Islam is an Abrahamic religion, and as such is very much open to the idea that killing everyone is a good way to win a debate.

The idea of Jihad and eye for an eye is found in the text.

[Kizzy]

It may be, if that is the case and they are acting purely as their religion dictates are those who are recruiting and radicalising not martyring themselves?
Why give all the glory and virgins to these young men?

[Jesus.]

I'm not disputing that they are being used, I'm just disputing it's not religious.

You could ask why our leaders don't put themselves on the front line as well in that case. Any army requires leaders and soldiers, and religious ones are no different.

I would introduce a law that requires the children of any mp (of the right age) to be drafted into the forces when the country goes to war. (that's a separate point, but it was on my mind).

[arista]

Its Religious and Political
and Fecking Evil.


He could not fight back as they drove into him first.


I hope they get killed in prison

[Omah]

It may be, if that is the case and they are acting purely as their religion dictates are those who are recruiting and radicalising not martyring themselves?
Why give all the glory and virgins to these young men?

Such is the selfless predilection of those must lead but not follow into Paradise - it is, indeed, a dilemma that all commanders face - death or duty ..... :puzzled:

[Kizzy]

I'm not disputing that they are being used, I'm just disputing it's not religious.

You could ask why our leaders don't put themselves on the front line as well in that case. Any army requires leaders and soldiers, and religious ones are no different.

I would introduce a law that requires the children of any mp (of the right age) to be drafted into the forces when the country goes to war. (that's a separate point, but it was on my mind).

I said it wasn't religious, you said it was remember?
You are saying that they are using their muslim teachings to manipulate and influence in a strategic and political manner? Which is basically my point.

[lostalex]

It is a political issue and nothing to do with religion, these fundamentalists are manipulating young muslims for their own political agenda.
They don't care about how many young men have to die to make their point, in exactly the same way as David Cameron doesn't care how many of our soldiers have to die.

It's not a religious issue?? umm WHAT?

how many atheists have you seen murder someone and shout allah akbar? oh yea, ZERO.

Of course it's religious. If this guy wasn't a muslim he wouldn't have done what he did.

Saying he's not a "real" muslim is just like saying a muslim that drinks alcohol is not a real muslim. or saying a muslim woman who doesn't wear hijab is not a "real" muslim. You can't pick and choose who you think is a "real" muslim and who is not.

That being said, there are plenty of fanatics of all religions. Not just muslim. It is not only the religion of Islam that creates fanatics. just like not all members of the KKK kill black people, but the ideology does create hate. Not all KKK members have done evil things, but the ideology, the belief system does create a toxic environment. The KKK and Islam are the same when it comes to breeding hatred and violence.

[Kizzy]

It's not a religious issue?? umm WHAT?

how many atheists have you seen murder someone and shout allah akbar? oh yea, ZERO.

Of course it's religious. If this guy wasn't a muslim he wouldn't have done what he did.

Saying he's not a "real" muslim is just like saying a muslim that drinks alcohol is not a real muslim. or saying a muslim woman who doesn't wear hijab is not a "real" muslim. You can't pick and choose who you think is a "real" muslim and who is not.

That being said, there are plenty of fanatics of all religions. Not just muslim. It is not only the religion of Islam that creates fanatics. just like not all members of the KKK kill black people, but the ideology does create hate. Not all KKK members have done evil things, but the ideology, the belief system does create a toxic environment.

You are going off at a tangent alex, simply I am saying the guy had a political grievance and message, this was not done in the name of religion even though he shouted 'praise to Allah' at the end.

[lostalex]

You are going off at a tangent alex, simply I am saying the guy had a political grievance and message, this was not done in the name of religion even though he shouted 'praise to Allah' at the end.

umm, what about the part where he said he's doing it because muslims are being killed and an attack on 1 muslim is an attack on all muslims? how is that not religious?

or the part where he said women shouldn't see this, because he thinks all women should be locked in their homes and serve their husbands?

Of course it was religious. If he wasn't religious do you think he would of done this? of course not.

[Jesus.]

I said it wasn't religious, you said it was remember?
You are saying that they are using their muslim teachings to manipulate and influence in a strategic and political manner? Which is basically my point.

There's a mix up there. You said it wasn't motivated by religion, I was disputing your opinion that it isn't. Meaning I disagreed with your initial premise.

My 2nd point was that any war requires an army, even a holy one. In any army (just as life) there is hierarchy. The generals send their soldiers into battle to die, they never send themselves to die.

[Kizzy]

My point is I feel that the act was more a reaction to UK foreign policies than religion, it had religious connotations due to the words he used, but the driving force behind the attack was political and not religious.
You both may disagree, but that is how I see it.

[lostalex]

My point is I feel that the act was more a reaction to UK foreign policies than religion, it had religious connotations due to the words he used, but the driving force behind the attack was political and not religious.
You both may disagree, but that is how I see it.

You don't understand that Islam IS political. If you ask a Muslim they will tell you that Islam is not just about their personal relationship with God, but that it is a way of life, and a culture, and it is every aspect of life. So you need to understand that to Muslims, Islam is always political.

Just like the Catholic church is also political. just like Feminism is political, just like homosexuality is also political.

[Omah]

There's a mix up there. You said it wasn't motivated by religion, I was disputing your opinion that it isn't. Meaning I disagreed with your initial premise.

My 2nd point was that any war requires an army, even a holy one. In any army (just as life) there is hierarchy. The generals send their soldiers into battle to die, they never send themselves to die.

So, if the Muslim "generals" aren't going to get 72 virgins in Paradise, is that why they make do with four on earth ..... :conf:

[Jesus.]

Fair enough, but it would be impossible for a Jainist with the same political grievances to act in such a manner.

That is the key thing for me. If a belief in a different religious dogma can change the outcome of this horrific scenario, then somewhere down the line, that dogma needs to be identified as a problem. Not the sole problem, but a problem nonetheless.

[thesheriff443]

So, if the Muslim "generals" aren't going to get 72 virgins in Paradise, is that why they make do with four on earth ..... :conf:

jesus as made a good point in his post:shocked:,.
your post does not detract from the point he was making.

[thesheriff443]

its very hard to fight someone who is not afraid to die for what they believe in.

[Omah]

jesus as made a good point in his post:shocked:,.
your post does not detract from the point he was making.

Who's trying to detract?

I had previously made the same point, albeit ironically ..... :rolleyes:

[Kizzy]

Fair enough, but it would be impossible for a Jainist with the same political grievances to act in such a manner.

That is the key thing for me. If a belief in a different religious dogma can change the outcome of this horrific scenario, then somewhere down the line, that dogma needs to be identified as a problem. Not the sole problem, but a problem nonetheless.

But isn't that the definition of a fundamentalist... to take religious dogma to extremes?

[Omah]

its very hard to fight someone who is not afraid to die for what they believe in.

A bit of a truism there, I believe ..... :idc:

[Jesus.]

But isn't that the definition of a fundamentalist... to take religious dogma to extremes?

But when the dogma itself is naturally extreme, when is that the issue under the spotlight? A fundamentalist Jainist will get less violent, the same cannot be said of the Abrahamic religions.

[thesheriff443]

A bit of a truism there, I believe ..... :idc:

it is but it sums up the fact that we will never win this war, we can only try to prevent the loss of life.

[lostalex]

Imagine if Martin Luther King or Ghandi decided to be terrorists, would we even know their names? probably not. They are heroes because they advocated NON-VIOLENT change. If they had tried to lead terrorists for their causes they would have only hurt their causes. instead Martin Luther King was able to make the KKK the bad guys, and Ghandi was able to make the British the bad guys, and their strategy was far more effective.

Imagine if homosexuals were blowing up buildings and doing suicide attacks, murdering heterosexuals at weddings. Would that help or hurt the gay equality cause? It would certainly hurt it.

[Omah]

it is but it sums up the fact that we will never win this war, we can only try to prevent the loss of life.

Nobody wins a war where ALL sides are "not afraid to die for what they believe in".

In war, 'collateral damage' cannot be "prevented".

[Kizzy]

But when the dogma itself is naturally extreme, when is that the issue under the spotlight? A fundamentalist Jainist will get less violent, the same cannot be said of the Abrahamic religions.

It is under the spotlight very much so, the dogma of jihadism advocated by sunnis for instance.
Like I said yesterday more needs to be done to raise awareness of the difference in muslim teaching to identify extremism

[SharkAttack]

it is but it sums up the fact that we will never win this war, we can only try to prevent the loss of life.

Sounds a lot like cancer, but strides are being made, a little at a time. Keep up a little bit of the hope there, Sheriff, all is not lost yet.

[thesheriff443]

Nobody wins a war where ALL sides are "not afraid to die for what they believe in".

In war, 'collateral damage' cannot be "prevented".

this is a very different war, in which only one side fights fair, one side fights to protect the other fights to destroy.

[Omah]

this is a very different war, in which only one side fights fair, one side fights to protect the other fights to destroy.

Your simplistic view appears to suggest unfamiliarity with the true nature of "war" - I suggest further, deeper, reading ..... :pipe:

[thesheriff443]

Sounds a lot like cancer, but strides are being made, a little at a time. Keep up a little bit of the hope there, Sheriff, all is not lost yet.

like cancer you never know when it will strike who it will try and kill.

[lostalex]

I feel like i'm not getting as much attention as i'd like in this thread. just saying...

[thesheriff443]

Your simplistic view appears to suggest unfamiliarity with the true nature of "war" - I suggest further, deeper, reading ..... :pipe:

unlike most I don't need to take up most of the page to say what I mean!
if you cant post without being rude I suggest you go and read a book on good manners!

[thesheriff443]

I feel like i'm not getting as much attention as i'd like in this thread. just saying...

every little helps alex:wavey:

[Omah]

unlike most I don't need to take up most of the page to say what I mean!
if you cant post without being rude I suggest you go and read a book on good manners!

Who's being rude?

Physician, heal thyself ..... :wink:

[Lee.]

I feel like i'm not getting as much attention as i'd like in this thread. just saying...

I'm paying attention to you Alex:)

[Kizzy]

unlike most I don't need to take up most of the page to say what I mean!
if you cant post without being rude I suggest you go and read a book on good manners!

Omah manages to get over everything he wants to say with one pipe smiley sheriff... why can't you? haha!

[thesheriff443]

Who's being rude?

Physician, heal thyself ..... :wink:

you are by suggesting I need to do more deeper reading, would suggest you think im not educated enough to under stand war!
take your pipe else where.

[lostalex]

Thanks Sheriff and Lee, i thought maybe i was talking to myself. :hug:

[thesheriff443]

Thanks Sheriff and Lee, i thought maybe i was talking to myself. :hug:

those are the best coversations:joker:

[Jesus.]

http://www.christopherward-usa.com/skin/frontend/christopherward/default/WomensAlexLogo.gif

[thesheriff443]

Omah manages to get over everything he wants to say with one pipe smiley sheriff... why can't you? haha!

put that big spoon down kizzy before someone gets hurt or infracted:joker:

[arista]

put that big spoon down kizzy before someone gets hurt or infracted:joker:


This is a debate
We Invaded Muslim Nations (thanks to Corrupt blair/bush)

Now they get revenge



War on Terror
is expecting to go on for 20 years

[Omah]

you are by suggesting I need to do more deeper reading, would suggest you think im not educated enough to under stand war!.

If you believe that, in any "war" :

a) only one side fights fair

b) one side fights to protect, the other fights to destroy

then, IMO, you are remarkably under-informed.

:idc:

[thesheriff443]

This is a debate
We Invaded Muslim Nations (thanks to Corrupt blair/bush)

Now they get revenge



War on Terror
is expecting to go on for 20 years

this war will never be over as its based around religion.

[lostalex]

http://www.christopherward-usa.com/skin/frontend/christopherward/default/WomensAlexLogo.gif

http://blogs.babycenter.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/awe_child.jpg

[thesheriff443]

If you believe that, in any "war" :

a) only one side fights fair

b) one side fights to protect, the other fights to destroy

then, IMO, you are remarkably under-informed.

:idc:

on this war all that I said is true, in other wars its very different.
this war is soldiers in uniform against people going about un noticed in civilian clothes.

[Omah]

on this war all that I said is true, in other wars its very different.
this war is soldiers in uniform against people going about un noticed in civilian clothes.

Erm, ever heard of the IRA ..... :conf:

[Kizzy]

Sorry, yep it is Blair /Bush are no longer in power.. why are there still tensions then?

[arista]

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02572/woolwich-4-way_2572075d.jpg

[thesheriff443]

Erm, ever heard of the IRA ..... :conf:

of course I have! we are talking about this war!
its a form of Guerrilla warfare in Ireland, and we may see more of the tactics that have been used in Ireland being used over here.

[thesheriff443]

Sorry, yep it is Blair /Bush are no longer in power.. why are there still tensions then?

who's that question for?

[Kizzy]

who's that question for?

It was to arista sheriff, you are all too quick haha!

[billy123]

The definition of terrorism according to the Oxford English dictionary.

the unofficial or unauthorized use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims.

I despair of the UK and USA they are probably responsible for more terrorist attacks than any other nations in the world.
If you are going to dish it out in the pursuit of money then be prepared to get it back occasionally.
The ****ing media in this country turn my stomach what chance does anyone stand when you have the likes of ITV stating that a "muslim looking" couple of people were responsible for the murder of a soldier.
WTF does a muslim look like? They are trying to poison your mind to think that a "muslim looking" person is a bad person.

Who would choose to base an opinion on mainstream media? They are politically driven there is nothing impartial about them they have an agenda and they stick to it.
The truth doesnt even figure in what they choose to report.

[Omah]

of course I have! we are talking about this war!
its a form of Guerrilla warfare in Ireland, and we may (sic) see more of the tactics that have been used in Ireland being used over here.

Read on :

List of terrorist incidents in London

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_London#Irish_republ ican_attacks_during_.22the_Troubles.22

Irish republican attacks during the Second World War

On 16 January 1939, the Irish Republican Army (IRA) launched a campaign of bombing and sabotage against the civil, economic, and military infrastructure of the United Kingdom. The campaign petered-out in early 1940.

1939
16 January: a bomb exploded outside the control room of a large power station. It created a large crater in the forecourt of the building. There were no casualties and the control station was reportedly undamaged. A second explosion damaged an overhead cable running from Grand Union Canal to Willesden Power Station.
17 January: a bomb exploded at Williams & Deacons Bank, damaging gas mains.
4 February: two bombs exploded in the London Underground – one at Tottenham Court Road station and one at Leicester Square station. They were timed suitcase bombs stored in the left-luggage rooms overnight. There were no deaths, although two people were wounded and severe damage was done to the stations.
9 February: two bombs exploded at King's Cross station.
2 March: a bomb exploded on an aqueduct for the Grand Union Canal near Stonebridge Park.
23 March: five bombs exploded at different times during the day. Targets included telephone and gas installations, and the offices of the News Chronicle in Fleet Street.
29 March: two bombs exploded on Hammersmith Bridge.
31 March: seven bombs exploded in different parts of the city.
5 May: two bombs exploded.
10 June: bombs exploded in thirty post offices and postboxes in London, Birmingham and Manchester.
24 June: several bombs exploded before or after a republican demonstration (under police protection) demanding the release of IRA volunteers.
24 June: bombs exploded at the London branches of the Midland Bank, Westminster Bank and Lloyds Bank.
26 July: two bombs exploded in the London Underground – one in the left-luggage area of King's Cross Station and one in the left-luggage area of Victoria Station. In the King's Cross attack, one man was killed and two wounded. In the Victoria Station attack five were wounded.

1940
6 February: two bombs exploded in mailbags at Euston Station.
23 February: two bombs exploded in the West End. The devices had been placed in litter bins. Thirteen people were wounded.

Irish republican attacks during "the Troubles"

In many cases telephoned warnings were given about bombs due to explode, identified as genuine by the use of a code word. In some cases the warning gave the wrong location, or did not give enough time to evacuate the area. Hoax calls, intended to cause disruption, were often made.

1970–1979
8 March 1973: The Provisional Irish Republican Army (IRA) conducted its first operation in England, planting four car bombs in London. Two bombs exploded, one near the Old Bailey and the other at Scotland Yard,killing one person and injuring 180 others. Ten members of the IRA unit, including Gerry Kelly, Dolours Price and Marian Price, were arrested at Heathrow Airport trying to leave the country. A car bomb left outside the post office in Broadway, Westminster outside New Scotland Yard was spotted and defused.
24 December 1973: The Provisional IRA left two packages which exploded almost simultaneously in the late evening on Christmas Eve. One was in the doorway of the North Star public house South Hampstead, which exploded injuring six people, and the other exploded on the upstairs verandah of the nearby Swiss Cottage Tavern where an unspecified number of people were injured.
17 June 1974: A bomb exploded at the Houses of Parliament in London, causing extensive damage and injuring 11 people.
17 July 1974 An explosion in the Tower of London left one person dead and 41 injured. This was the second bomb in London on this day. At 0430 BST there was an explosion at government buildings in Balham, South London. Nobody was injured in the morning blast but there was substantial damage to surrounding buildings.
7 November 1974: An off-duty soldier and a civilian were killed when a bomb was thrown through the window of the Kings Arms pub in Woolwich, and 28 people were injured.
21 December 1974: A bomb was defused in Harrods department store in Knightsbridge, London. A second bomb was defused in the King's Arms public house in Warminster, Wiltshire.
28 August 1975: Seven people were injured when a bomb exploded in Oxford Street, London, outside the south-east corner of Selfridges store. A telephone warning was issued to The Sun newspaper five minutes before the explosion.[11]
5 September 1975: Two people were killed and 63 injured when an IRA bomb exploded in the lobby of the Hilton hotel in London.
3 November 1975: Several people injured by a car bomb in Connaught Square, London W2.
6–12 December 1975: Four IRA members held two people hostage in the Balcombe Street Siege.
27 March 1976: A bomb placed by the Provisional IRA exploded in a litter bin at the top of an escalator in a crowded exhibition hall, Earl's Court. 20,000 people were attending the Daily Mail Ideal Home Exhibition at the time. 70 were injured, 4 people lost limbs.
30 March 1979, Shadow Northern Ireland Secretary Airey Neave was killed as he left the House of Commons car park by a car bomb planted by the Irish National Liberation Army (INLA) in 1979.

1980–1989
10 October 1981: a bomb blast on Ebury Bridge Road next to Chelsea Barracks kills two people and injures 39.
26 October 1981: a bomb planted by the IRA in a Wimpy Bar on Oxford Street kills Kenneth Howorth, the Metropolitan Police explosives officer who is attempting to defuse it.
20 July 1982: Two bombs in Hyde Park and Regent's Park, London by the Provisional Irish Republican Army (IRA) kill 11 members of the Household Cavalry and the Royal Green Jackets. Seven horses are also killed.
17 December 1983: Harrods was bombed by the IRA. Six people were killed (including three police officers) and 90 wounded during Christmas shopping at the West London department store. (See Harrods bombing)

1990–1999
16 May 1990: Wembley IRA detonate a bomb underneath a minibus killing Sgt Charles Chapman (The Queen's Regiment) and injuring another soldier. No one was ever convicted of Sgt Chapman's murder.
20 July 1990: London Stock Exchange, the IRA detonated a large bomb at the London Stock Exchange causing massive damage.
7 February 1991: Mortar attack on 10 Downing Street[
18 February 1991: A bomb explodes in Paddington Station, damaging the building's roof but causing no casualties. Three hours later another bomb explodes at Victoria Station. One man is killed and 38 people injured.
10 January 1992: Small device exploded. No injuries, Whitehall Place, London SW1.
28 February 1992: A bomb explodes at London Bridge station injuring 29 people.
10 April 1992: Baltic Exchange bombing: A large bomb explodes outside 30 St Mary Axe in the City of London. The bomb was contained in a large white truck and consisted of a fertiliser device wrapped with a detonation cord made from Semtex. It killed three people: Paul Butt, aged 29, Baltic Exchange employee Thomas Casey, aged 49, and 15-year old Danielle Carter. Several people were critically or severely injured. The bomb also caused damage to surrounding buildings (many of which were further damaged by a second bomb the following year). The bomb caused £800 million worth of damage—£200 million more than the total damage costs resulting from all 10,000 previous explosions that had occurred relating to the Troubles in Northern Ireland. A new skyscraper was built on the site of the previous historic building.
11 April 1992: A large bomb explodes underneath the A406 flyover at Staples Corner, causing serious damage to roads and nearby buildings including a B&Q DIY store and causing the closure of the junction. The blast was large enough to be felt many miles away.
12 October 1992: A device exploded in the gentlemen's toilet of the Sussex Arms public house in Covent Garden, killing one person and injuring four others.
16 November 1992: the IRA planted a bomb at Canary Wharf in the Docklands. The device was spotted by security guards and was deactivated safely.
17 December 1992: A bomb hidden in a litter bin in a third-floor men's lavatory of the John Lewis department store, Oxford Street, London, was detonated by the IRA just after 11 am. A second bomb exploded 15 minutes later at the rear of the store, in Cavendish Square, while shoppers and staff were still being evacuated. Four people were injured.
28 January 1993: a bomb exploded in a litter bin outside Harrods, injuring four people.
27 February 1993: a bomb exploded in a litter bin outside a McDonalds restaurant in Camden Town, injuring several people.[22]
24 April: 1993 Bishopsgate bombing: the IRA detonated a huge truck bomb in the City of London at Bishopsgate, It killed journalist Ed Henty, injured over 40 people, and causing approximately £1 billion worth of damage,
including the near destruction of St Ethelburga's Bishopsgate church, and serious damage to Liverpool Street station. Police had received a coded warning, but were still evacuating the area at the time of the explosion. The insurance payments required were so large that Lloyd's of London almost went bankrupt under the strain, and there was a crisis in the London insurance market. The area had already suffered damage from the Baltic Exchange bombing the year before.
October 1993: Over eight days, a series of IRA bombs were left in various London locations. On 1 October, four bombs were left on Finchley Road, three of which exploded, causing damage to buildings and several injuries caused by falling glass. On 4 October, pairs of bombs were left in Highgate (where one failed to explode), Hornsey, and Archway, causing significant damage but no injuries. On 8 October, bombs exploded in Staples Corner and West Hampstead, again causing damage but no injuries.
March 1994: Heathrow Airport, The IRA launched a series of mortar attacks on the airport, partially paralysing the capital's main air route.
9 February: 1996 Docklands bombing: the IRA bombed the South Quay area of London, killing two people.
15 February 1996: A 5-pound (2.3 kg) bomb placed in a telephone box is disarmed by Police on the Charing Cross Road.
18 February 1996: An IRA bomb detonates prematurely on a bus travelling along Aldwych in central London, killing Edward O'Brien, the IRA terrorist transporting the device and injuring eight others.
29 April 1997: Britain's transport industry claimed minimum losses of £30 million after a series of IRA bomb alerts in southern England brought traffic to a standstill. In the London area, the Heathrow airport and the M25 motorway were closed.

:idc:

[Kizzy]

of course I have! we are talking about this war!
its a form of Guerrilla warfare in Ireland, and we may see more of the tactics that have been used in Ireland being used over here.

This form of terrorism is totally different, in Ireland there were targets, coded warnings and dialogue... With this there is no warning, just random acts of extreme and totally unexpected violence. That is why it is such a huge threat.

[lostalex]

The definition of terrorism according to the Oxford English dictionary.



I despair of the UK and USA they are probably responsible for more terrorist attacks than any other nations in the world.
If you are going to dish it out in the pursuit of money then be prepared to get it back occasionally.
The ****ing media in this country turn my stomach what chance does anyone stand when you have the likes of ITV stating that a "muslim looking" couple of people were responsible for the murder of a soldier.
WTF does a muslim look like?

No actually the vast majority of terrorist attacks are by muslims against other muslims. You can't blame America or the UK for al queda setting off road side bombs or bombs in market places in afgahnistan and iraq for the past 10 years.

Muslim terrorists have killed far more muslim civilians than America's drones.


The Muslim world has been a violent **** hole for hundreds of years, since before the United States has even existed as a country. (the rest of the world has also been a violent **** hole, America and Europe included)

[thesheriff443]

Read on :

List of terrorist incidents in London

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_London#Irish_republ ican_attacks_during_.22the_Troubles.22



:idc:

you get a hard on im sure of it over this type of stuff!
yes those attacks happened over here by the ira! im saying that they may be used in new terrorist attacks.

[billy123]

No actually the vast majority of terrorist attacks are by muslims against other muslims. You can't blame America or the UK for al queda setting off road side bombs or bombs in market places in afgahnistan and iraq for the past 10 years.

Muslim terrorists have killed far more muslim civilians than America's drones.


The Muslim world has been a violent **** hole for hundreds of years, since before the United States has even existed as a country.Do you have a source with figures that includes the terror campaigns waged by the UK and USA around the world?

[lostalex]

Do you have a source?

yea, buy any world history book. Well any western history book. Maybe the history books in Gaza will tell you that mickey mouse caused all of the conflict in the muslim world. lol

[thesheriff443]

This form of terrorism is totally different, in Ireland there were targets, coded warnings and dialogue... With this there is no warning, just random acts of extreme and totally unexpected violence. That is why it is such a huge threat.

im talking about targeting soldiers like the ira did!
of course this is a huge threat because you don't know when or what the next attack will be or who they will target.

[billy123]

yea, buy any world history book.So that is a no then. :bored:

[Omah]

you get a hard on im sure of it over this type of stuff!
yes those attacks happened over here by the ira! im saying that they may be used in new terrorist attacks.

You said the IRA was "a form of Guerrilla warfare in Ireland", which is patently wrong ..... :nono:

Ever heard of the SOE ..... :conf:

[lostalex]

So that is a no then. :bored:

sorry, i didn't realize i had to provide a bibliography to post on a big brother forum, my bad.

Don't be a pedantic moron.

[billy123]

sorry, i didn't realize i had to provide a bibliography to post on a big brother forum, my bad.

Don't be a pedantic moron.No just a source for your strange claims will do Alex.

[lostalex]

So it's okay for him to call me strange, but it's not okay for me to call him a moron? We all know which mod is in a bad mood today, don't we...

[billy123]

If it was to come down to religion the only personal experience i have of terror attacks were Christians having to make me fear for my life and evacuate my workplace because of coded bomb threats on two occasions and exploding a huge bomb within 20 miles of my house.

[Omah]

yes those attacks happened over here by the ira! im saying that they may be used in new terrorist attacks.

You said the IRA was "a form of Guerrilla warfare in Ireland", which is patently wrong ..... :nono:

Ever heard of the SOE ..... :conf:

While you're googling "SOE", try "Victorian Anarchists", as well ..... :pipe:

Look up "Vietnam War", too .... :idc:

BTW, IIRC, Lawrence of Arabia never wore a uniform when he massacred the Turks.

[billy123]

So it's okay for him to call me strange, but it's not okay for me to call him a moron? We all know which mod is in a bad mood today, don't we...LOL i take it you got a bit over excited.
I called your claims strange not you awwww. :kiss:

[MTVN]

So it's okay for him to call me strange, but it's not okay for me to call him a moron? We all know which mod is in a bad mood today, don't we...

He said your claims were strange not that you were strange, and in any case that was after you called him a moron

Don't moan about this on the main board or you will be infracted again

Also for the record, I am in quite a good mood today

[lostalex]

LOL i take it you got a bit over excited.
I called your claims strange not you awwww. :kiss:

And i didn't call you a moron, i said don't be one. I still got an infraction though.

[lostalex]

He said your claims were strange not that you were strange, and in any case that was after you called him a moron

Don't moan about this on the main board or you will be infracted again

Also for the record, I am in quite a good mood today

I'm sure you are, feeling mighty powerful arn't you.

[Kizzy]

im talking about targeting soldiers like the ira did!
of course this is a huge threat because you don't know when or what the next attack will be or who they will target.

Ah right sorry then, I was just highlighting the differences in the forms involved.

[billy123]

And i didn't call you a moron, i said don't be one. I still got an infraction though.I dont mind we can disagree without being angry dont start blaming mods n stuff i hate it when you are banned.
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t255/ladyjayne2283/bth_2117017nlc2fjcfn9.gif

[lostalex]

I dont mind we can disagree without being angry.
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t255/ladyjayne2283/bth_2117017nlc2fjcfn9.gif

It's not yur fault. I don't blame you. I got that infraction so fast there's no way you would have even had time to report it. Clearly a certain someone was just waiting jump on me.

[MTVN]

Yeah ok, back on topic now please

[Brother Leon]

So that is a no then. :bored:

Don't forget you have to make sure you buy a Western book too..

[billy123]

Don't forget you have to make sure you buy a Western book too..:laugh2: Those "muslim looking" books are inferior didnt you know. :joker:
Its enough to make me think i dont know what to think its almost become like a team sport! pick a side and and support them right or wrong.
It would be funny if it wasnt so scary.

[lostalex]

:laugh2: Those "muslim looking" books are inferior didnt you know. :joker:
Its enough to make me think i dont know what to think its almost become like a team sport! pick a side and and support them right or wrong.
It would be funny if it wasnt so scary.

Well those muslim history books tend to leave some important things out, you know like the HOLOCAUST, and 9/11....

The education system in most muslim countries makes christian homeschooling look like Harvard in comparison. (for the record i'm completely against homeschooling)

[GiRTh]

Well those muslim history books tend to leave some important things out, you know like the HOLOCAUST, and 9/11....:bored:

[billy123]

Well those muslim history books tend to leave some important things out, you know like the HOLOCAUST, and 9/11....

The education system in most muslim countries makes christian homeschooling look like Harvard in comparison.
Go team west! :bored:

[lostalex]

Go team west! :bored:

If they were teaching your children what they teach in those muslim schools, you'd be outraged. You have a double standard.

[HD]

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=84c_1369344545

video of the scum getting shot. :)

[Drew.]

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=84c_1369344545

video of the scum getting shot. :)

bloody hell

[GiRTh]

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=84c_1369344545

video of the scum getting shot. :)Wow

[Drew.]

he got seriously close to the police

[arista]

he got seriously close to the police


Yes trying to Kill a Police Women



She fired 8 shots

[lostalex]

It definitely looks like it was an attempted suicide by cops.

You see the other videos of him just hanging around, chatting and spewing his hate speech, then when the cops show up he charges at them. You can tell he wanted them to kill him.

Too cowardly to take his own life, he wanted to make the cops do it. Bad luck buddy! you're still alive, and you'll have to face real justice now.