EU Referendum – 23 June – The Result Discussion (UK Votes To Leave)

[joeysteele]

Well this is a nice welcome home isn't it :rolleyes:

I never wanted this referendum in the first place because I knew this would be the result. The politics of fear always wins (see: last year's general election) and on the subject of Trump I also wouldn't rule a presidential victory out now either.

All I can do is laugh. I will laugh at those who voted for this who find that in the near future they're being forced to work longer, for less and with less rights like holiday pay when the Tories come for a trashing of them. I will laugh when their bills for things that were capped under EU law skyrocket. I will laugh if and when it transpires that you need a ****ing visa to visit France. Only then will people realise the mistake they've made.

That said, I am delighted at how engaged so many people were in democracy and politics, it is great to see. Congrats to the Leave side, but your insults about sour grapes and being 'bitter' are completely pointless. Of course I'm ****ing bitter. This is MY future you've just ****ed, and I will bloody well tell you about it

Hope the Scots get another opportunity to get the **** away from Little Englanders and rightly take it this time


Excellent post Jack_.

If the Scots get another independence vote and go for it this time, I hope they will let me in, I would far rather support the Scots on this island.
In fact I may head off up there anyway.

[Livia]

There was an article from The Independent that showed that 80% of Out Campaigners would turnout for this Referendum, while only 70% of the Remain Campaigners would turnout.

Basically do the Maths for if everyone on both sides had've voted and Remain wins with 52%

You're telling ME to do the maths?

Lots of people who wanted to remain couldn't be bothered to vote, you included. You can't moan about the outcome now it's too late.

[Mystic Mock]

its branding people as silly, racist etc that has caused this result.

Well the fact that the one issue that the Leave campaigners did have did seem to only be about Immigration.

How do we run ourselves now that we're out of the EU? Because our leaders better have a good plan after pulling out of a stable market for us.

And what caused this result (and it's why this Referendum shouldn't have been handed out) is that the more negative side was gonna vote on this and of course they've screwed the majority of people that wanted to stay, over.

[Glenn.]

Worried about lack of immigration control makes you racist now?

[Mystic Mock]

Mock, you don't know how any of the generations voted. As for immigration, for years no one's been allowed to have a dialogue about immigration because the Left all scream "racist". If we'd had that dialogue and immigration had been controlled, the result would have been different.

Your comments seem very passionate. Shame you weren't passionate enough to vote.

There's been research into how all of the generations voted, and the younger people who have got to live in this country for many more years to come have got screwed over for older people's prejudices.

And I'm not saying that people should scream racist when people show concern about Immigration, it's when it becomes the sole reason for people to want to pull out of the EU is when it starts to look dodgy and really silly.

And I wish I had've voted tbh, I got really cocky and thought that the UK/England would've been smart enough not to **** ourselves over, I guess this country is thick like my parents.

[Northern Monkey]

Well that's a damning indictment of 80% of people who got off their arse go vote. You've heard most of them speak? MOST of them? Do you know how many people voted??

And as you weren't one of those people who bothered to vote it's a bit rich to whine about the outcome now.

:joker:

[kirklancaster]

Can we stop calling the leave voters racist people.

Thank you Glen.

[Mystic Mock]

Racism against white European people?

He means Xenophobia which I'm gonna presume that you know of Xenophobia.

[Livia]

There's been research into how all of the generations voted, and the younger people who have got to live in this country for many more years to come have got screwed over for older people's prejudices.

And I'm not saying that people should scream racist when people show concern about Immigration, it's when it becomes the sole reason for people to want to pull out of the EU is when it starts to look dodgy and really silly.

And I wish I had've voted tbh, I got really cocky and thought that the UK/England would've been smart enough not to **** ourselves over, I guess this country is thick like my parents.

Show me this research.

You think the whole country is thick because it doesn't agree with you.

And you've just insulted your parents because they didn't agree with you. Nice.

And alllllllll this after you didn't vote.

[billy123]

Did i just walk into satire hour and nobody told me?

[Mystic Mock]

Erm...not to be funny but surely noone believed it would b e directed to the NHS anyway?

I can't believe people was so thick as to think that the EU had control over our National Health Service.:joker::facepalm:

Oh trust me if there was a best time to cry then it's now, seriously what country am I living in?

[kirklancaster]

its branding people as silly, racist etc that has caused this result.

:clap1::clap1::clap1:

[Mystic Mock]

you listened to most of 17 million people ffs you must have been busy :joker:

With how vocal they've been I wouldn't be surprised if I have.:laugh:

[kirklancaster]

I can't believe people was so thick as to think that the EU had control over our National Health Service.:joker::facepalm:

Oh trust me if there was a best time to cry then it's now, seriously what country am I living in?

With respect Mock, you are progressively illuminating the fact that you know very little about the EU, with each post you make.

[Mystic Mock]

Well that's a damning indictment of 80% of people who got off their arse go vote. You've heard most of them speak? MOST of them? Do you know how many people voted??

And as you weren't one of those people who bothered to vote it's a bit rich to whine about the outcome now.

I hate people that say this.

1. My 1 vote wouldn't have made a difference.

2. I do expect that my fellow countrymen and women should be able to vote for what's best for this country and not personally on a subject like this, this isn't a General Election where you can get away with ****ing up.

And also with how hectic my life has been lately (which is only gonna get worse thanks to the Leavers) I haven't had the time to vote.

[kirklancaster]

Did i just walk into satire hour and nobody told me?

:joker: Welcome back Bob - To The Twilight Zone. :hee:

[Mystic Mock]

But they didn't and here we are.

I know.

Goodbye Scotland we'll miss you.

[jaxie]

Can we stop calling the leave voters racist people.

:clap2: I can't believe how some people who wanted to remain don't get the issues without flinging mud. They don't have to agree but to not get it at all? :shrug:

[Mystic Mock]

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Excellent post Jack_.

If the Scots get another independence vote and go for it this time, I hope they will let me in, I would far rather support the Scots on this island.
In fact I may head off up there anyway.

Great minds think alike.

[Tom4784]

:clap2: I can't believe how some people who wanted to remain don't get the issues without flinging mud. They don't to agree but to not get it at all? :shrug:

The Brexit campaign has been full of mudslinging and thug tactics so it's a bit rich to act like one side is better than the other.

[Vicky.]

I can't believe people was so thick as to think that the EU had control over our National Health Service.:joker::facepalm:

Oh trust me if there was a best time to cry then it's now, seriously what country am I living in?

I don't think anyone thought this?

But to believe that any savings made will be directed to the parts of the country that actually need it was very naive, IF anyone believed that part of the leave campaign that is.

[Mystic Mock]

You're telling ME to do the maths?

Lots of people who wanted to remain couldn't be bothered to vote, you included. You can't moan about the outcome now it's too late.

Well yes considering the most important thing in Politics is about Maths.:joker:

And yes I can moan when the majority of the people that did vote voted to screw this country over.

And not everyone has the time to vote, if you knew my situation you'd know what I'm on about so don't tell me what I can and can't do, it's no different to people telling you to stop talking about Immigration.

[kirklancaster]

Worried about lack of immigration control makes you racist now?

Yep, among people with the IQ of a peanut - collectively of course.

[Northern Monkey]

He means Xenophobia which I'm gonna presume that you know of Xenophobia.Yes.You presume right.I do know what xenophobia is.
Good we're making progress.Atleast we've now discounted racism from the reason Britain voted to leave.

So we're all Xenophobic or mostly xenophobic for wanting to have control of how many people we believe that our infrastructure can accommodate?Or for wanting to elect our own leaders?Or make our own laws?Or not give priority to small section of the world who want to come and contribute to our country?

The majority of people in Britain are not racist or xenophobic.That is a minority of people.

[jaxie]

I hate people that say this.

1. My 1 vote wouldn't have made a difference.

2. I do expect that my fellow countrymen and women should be able to vote for what's best for this country and not personally on a subject like this, this isn't a General Election where you can get away with ****ing up.

And also with how hectic my life has been lately (which is only gonna get worse thanks to the Leavers) I haven't had the time to vote.

Your one vote, added to the others who thought the same way one vote might just have given you what you wanted. Why moan if you can't be bothered to step up? I spoke to a friend this morning with the same attitude so that's 2 votes remain lost.

[Glenn.]

I hate people that say this.

1. My 1 vote wouldn't have made a difference.

2. I do expect that my fellow countrymen and women should be able to vote for what's best for this country and not personally on a subject like this, this isn't a General Election where you can get away with ****ing up.

And also with how hectic my life has been lately (which is only gonna get worse thanks to the Leavers) I haven't had the time to vote.

Is this a real post or?

You evidently have such a strong view on the subject, going as far as to insult people who voted leave, yet didn't think to vote yourself?

This referendum hasn't been an overnight thing it's been coming for months. There's literally no excuse for not voting.

[Mystic Mock]

Worried about lack of immigration control makes you racist now?

No it doesn't, what does look dodgy is the majority of the Leave campaigners being obsessed with it to the point of it feeling more personal than "oh we need to tighten the boarders."

As I've already asked and no one has answered me, what bright ideas did these people promise you to think that leaving the EU was the right decision? What Economic ideas did they come up with? What Immigration ideas did they come up with? Because as far as I'm aware they're gonna now bring in Immigrants from Third world Asia and Africa so good luck.

What Law & Order prospects will be given to us? What will the prices be for when people just want Bread and Milk from the Local Shop? What will the prices be on buying Homes? Or Businesses?

There's so much that's been left unknown that it was really stupid for people to vote out.

[AnnieK]

Is this a real post or?

You evidently have such a strong view on the subject, going as far as to insult people who voted leave, yet didn't think to vote yourself?

This referendum hasn't been an overnight thing it's been coming for months. There's literally no excuse for not voting.

Very true, there is also the option to postal vote too so if life is very hectic you only have to pass a post box.

I was in but have been democratically outvoted so now I believe we have to make the best, weather the inevitable storm and stop infighting, moaning and gloating to make it through this patch and hopefully come out stronger and more united.

[Tom4784]

I don't think anyone thought this?

But to believe that any savings made will be directed to the parts of the country that actually need it was very naive, IF anyone believed that part of the leave campaign that is.

TBH the whole Leave campaign was built on a staggering sense of naivety and wishful thinking.

We're still going to pay the same amount of money out as part of trade deals, immigration will not change and opting to leave has already adversely affected our economy. We aren't suddenly going to put millions into public services. we aren't guaranteed to succeed and we can't look to Norway as inspiration due to dramatically different circumstances. We'll still dance to the EU's tune except now we won't have ANY say in it if we want to trade with them.

Pretty much every financial expert in the world that matters both neutral and otherwise said it was a bad idea to leave. Even countries that would benefit from us leaving didn't want us to. It should have set alarm bells ringing in all honesty.

[Glenn.]

Both campaigns were appalling.

[Mystic Mock]

Show me this research.

You think the whole country is thick because it doesn't agree with you.

And you've just insulted your parents because they didn't agree with you. Nice.

And alllllllll this after you didn't vote.

It was on all of the News stations, Newspapers, and Internet Articles, if you haven't seen them then that's not my problem.:joker:

And tbh yes I think the country is thick for putting Immigration before the Economy of it's own country yes, if that makes me wrong then I'm glad to be wrong.

And my parents is a different matter to this, they're thick for different reasons.

And why does it matter if I didn't vote? I should trust my fellow countrymen to vote properly shouldn't I? Or are you saying that I can overturn a million vote gap of people voting with their heart instead of their head? If so I'm impressed that you think that much of me that I can overturn such a result.:joker:

[jaxie]

The Brexit campaign has been full of mudslinging and thug tactics so it's a bit rich to act like one side is better than the other.

When have I slung mud or called you a racist?

[Mystic Mock]

Did i just walk into satire hour and nobody told me?

Adam's gone now.

[Tom4784]

When have I slung mud or called you a racist?

Oh, I wasn't aware you were the brexit campaign personified.

[kirklancaster]

Well the fact that the one issue that the Leave campaigners did have did seem to only be about Immigration.

How do we run ourselves now that we're out of the EU? Because our leaders better have a good plan after pulling out of a stable market for us.

And what caused this result (and it's why this Referendum shouldn't have been handed out) is that the more negative side was gonna vote on this and of course they've screwed the majority of people that wanted to stay, over.

Mock, I find some of the inane drivel which you are posting highly offensive, and I am confounded as to why your name did not appear with any regularity on any of the long and fiercely debated threads on here concerning the EU, considering how vociferous you now are on the subject.

Let us 'grown ups' play a little game - one which I devised earlier in the thread for another 'bright young EU expert:

Without googling - tell me:

a) What The Rotterdam Effect is.
b) Whether the Uk has a positive trade balance with the EU or a deficit?
c) What is the mean average of our Gross Annual contribution to the EU?
d) What monumental benefit did Margaret Thatcher win from the EU in 1984?
e) What is the unfair anomoly in Britains EU Fishing quota?

The first young EU 'Expert' failed to even acknowledge this simple little quiz, so perhaps you will fare better?

[Mystic Mock]

With respect Mock, you are progressively illuminating the fact that you know very little about the EU, with each post you make.

With respect Kirk, I'm showing much better knowledge of it than the people that voted to leave by a country mile.

People still haven't answered me on other issues that are gonna be sorted now that we're out of the EU, and that's because the Leavers know that there isn't one yet.

[AnnieK]

It was on all of the News stations, Newspapers, and Internet Articles, if you haven't seen them then that's not my problem.:joker:

And tbh yes I think the country is thick for putting Immigration before the Economy of it's own country yes, if that makes me wrong then I'm glad to be wrong.

And my parents is a different matter to this, they're thick for different reasons.

And why does it matter if I didn't vote? I should trust my fellow countrymen to vote properly shouldn't I? Or are you saying that I can overturn a million vote gap of people voting with their heart instead of their head? If so I'm impressed that you think that much of me that I can overturn such a result.:joker:

Why would you trust your fellow countrymen to vote properly? They all voted with their own opinions and reasons. If you don't use the vote you have, it is very difficult for you to have a voice as you didn't exercise your democratic right and others did. Also, there was not a 100% turnout so many others "trusted" their fellow countrymen too. If only a small percentage more voted the outcome could have been very different.

[Mystic Mock]

The Brexit campaign has been full of mudslinging and thug tactics so it's a bit rich to act like one side is better than the other.

Oh I know but they don't realise how PC they can actually be, but just in a different way.:joker:

[Kyle]

It was on all of the News stations, Newspapers, and Internet Articles, if you haven't seen them then that's not my problem.:joker:

And tbh yes I think the country is thick for putting Immigration before the Economy of it's own country yes, if that makes me wrong then I'm glad to be wrong.

And my parents is a different matter to this, they're thick for different reasons.

And why does it matter if I didn't vote? I should trust my fellow countrymen to vote properly shouldn't I? Or are you saying that I can overturn a million vote gap of people voting with their heart instead of their head? If so I'm impressed that you think that much of me that I can overturn such a result.:joker:

It matters that you didn't vote because now when you call out others for not voting you look like a chuffing hypocrite.

[Mystic Mock]

Yep, among people with the IQ of a peanut - collectively of course.

We're talking about them right now actually.

[Glenn.]

We're talking about them right now actually.

Coming from the one who didn't do one of the easiest things to do, vote?

[Black Dagger]

Mock, please just stop.

You're arguing for the sake of it because you couldn't even be arsed to ****ing vote.

[_Tom_]

Mock this is embarrassing :umm2:

[jaxie]

It was on all of the News stations, Newspapers, and Internet Articles, if you haven't seen them then that's not my problem.:joker:

And tbh yes I think the country is thick for putting Immigration before the Economy of it's own country yes, if that makes me wrong then I'm glad to be wrong.

And my parents is a different matter to this, they're thick for different reasons.

And why does it matter if I didn't vote? I should trust my fellow countrymen to vote properly shouldn't I? Or are you saying that I can overturn a million vote gap of people voting with their heart instead of their head? If so I'm impressed that you think that much of me that I can overturn such a result.:joker:

It matters that you didn't vote because you shouldn't be trusting others to do things for you, you should be trusting yourself and your democratic right to vote.

[Livia]

It was on all of the News stations, Newspapers, and Internet Articles, if you haven't seen them then that's not my problem.:joker:

And tbh yes I think the country is thick for putting Immigration before the Economy of it's own country yes, if that makes me wrong then I'm glad to be wrong.

And my parents is a different matter to this, they're thick for different reasons.

And why does it matter if I didn't vote? I should trust my fellow countrymen to vote properly shouldn't I? Or are you saying that I can overturn a million vote gap of people voting with their heart instead of their head? If so I'm impressed that you think that much of me that I can overturn such a result.:joker:

Firstly, don't quote research that you can't back up or I'm going to assume you've made it up. Secondly, OF COURSE it matters that you didn't vote. You're making a huge fuss because people didn't vote how you wanted them to vote while saying you, yourself, was too busy. I was busy... everyone's busy. And no, I don't believe your one vote would have mattered much, but as you didn't vote at all, it kind of negates your right to have a view.

[Mystic Mock]

Yes.You presume right.I do know what xenophobia is.
Good we're making progress.Atleast we've now discounted racism from the reason Britain voted to leave.

So we're all Xenophobic or mostly xenophobic for wanting to have control of how many people we believe that our infrastructure can accommodate?Or for wanting to elect our own leaders?Or make our own laws?Or not give priority to small section of the world who want to come and contribute to our country?

The majority of people in Britain are not racist or xenophobic.That is a minority of people.

Okay we do make our own laws, they just have to pass through the European Court of Law (which btw has absolutely nothing to do with what the EU is about) And if you've read my other posts in this thread you know that I've said it's not Xenophobic to want tighter boarders on Immigration, it's just when people seem to be so venomous about any form of Immigration at all (which a lot of Leavers have been) it does look prejudiced which you've got to admit can look that way from an outside perspective?

And we could've elected our own European representatives in the EU, but instead we voted UKIP who didn't even attend the meetings, so of course we didn't get anything that we wanted.

And who said about giving priority to foreigners? It's just that we need some Immigration to survive in this current climate and Immigration will still happen anyway it will just instead come from backward countries like Saudi Arabia now.

[jaxie]

Oh, I wasn't aware you were the brexit campaign personified.

I am being vilified along with it, if I'm not dishing it out, give me he same courtesy.

[Mystic Mock]

Your one vote, added to the others who thought the same way one vote might just have given you what you wanted. Why moan if you can't be bothered to step up? I spoke to a friend this morning with the same attitude so that's 2 votes remain lost.

Because I should be able to trust that people in this country would prioritize the Economy over their own personal vendettas.

I can see that I was wrong in showing that much faith in people to do the right thing.

This isn't like some small Local Election, or some Reality TV Show result going against me, this will screw us all over for quite some time, and it's all because some of the older generations can't handle Immigration.

[Livia]

Okay we do make our own laws, they just have to pass through the European Court of Law (which btw has absolutely nothing to do with what the EU is about) And if you've read my other posts in this thread you know that I've said it's not Xenophobic to want tighter boarders on Immigration, it's just when people seem to be so venomous about any form of Immigration at all (which a lot of Leavers have been) it does look prejudiced which you've got to admit can look that way from an outside perspective?

And we could've elected our own European representatives in the EU, but instead we voted UKIP who didn't even attend the meetings, so of course we didn't get anything that we wanted.

And who said about giving priority to foreigners? It's just that we need some Immigration to survive in this current climate and Immigration will still happen anyway it will just instead come from backward countries like Saudi Arabia now.

Here you are, having not bothered to vote, and having not the first clue how the legal system works, attempting to school other people on how you think it might work and imagining that's going to reinforce your point.

You should just step away from it now.

[Mystic Mock]

Is this a real post or?

You evidently have such a strong view on the subject, going as far as to insult people who voted leave, yet didn't think to vote yourself?

This referendum hasn't been an overnight thing it's been coming for months. There's literally no excuse for not voting.

For Months my life has been screwed up it hasn't been a day or two.:joker:

[Tom4784]

I am being vilified along with it, if I'm not dishing it out, give me he same courtesy.

I'm not villifying you, I didn't even know you existed before a few minutes ago. Both campaigns have been awful, don't act like Brexit's been a light in the darkness because it's been just as bad, if not worse, than the leave campaign.

[VanessaFeltz.]

Status of London
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[Livia]

Because I should be able to trust that people in this country would prioritize the Economy over their own personal vendettas.

I can see that I was wrong in showing that much faith in people to do the right thing.

This isn't like some small Local Election, or some Reality TV Show result going against me, this will screw us all over for quite some time, and it's all because some of the older generations can't handle Immigration.

No. It's because some people who have, this morning, developed an understanding and a passion for the subject that was missing yesterday... didn't get off their arse to vote, Mock.

[Mystic Mock]

Mock, I find some of the inane drivel which you are posting highly offensive, and I am confounded as to why your name did not appear with any regularity on any of the long and fiercely debated threads on here concerning the EU, considering how vociferous you now are on the subject.

Let us 'grown ups' play a little game - one which I devised earlier in the thread for another 'bright young EU expert:

Without googling - tell me:

a) What The Rotterdam Effect is.
b) Whether the Uk has a positive trade balance with the EU or a deficit?
c) What is the mean average of our Gross Annual contribution to the EU?
d) What monumental benefit did Margaret Thatcher win from the EU in 1984?
e) What is the unfair anomoly in Britains EU Fishing quota?

The first young EU 'Expert' failed to even acknowledge this simple little quiz, so perhaps you will fare better?

A - I don't know.
B - Is a positive considering our Economy has improved over the decades since we've been trading with the EU.
C - I don't know the Maths of that, but I know that we contribute within the top 3 within the EU in terms of funding.
D - I don't know.
E - I don't know.

I'm no expert, it's just basic knowledge that when the UK has got one of the best Economies in the world (which is thanks to the EU) then you don't vote to make our Economy worse just because of Immigration or whatever other issues that you've got.:umm2:

[kirklancaster]

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[Drew.]

My head hurts from talking to the people at work about why they voted to leave. None have good legit arguments/reasons. One guy only voted because he was worried housing and hospitals would be taken up by immigrants and that was the only reason he voted which pisses me off because the chances of there being a huge change in immigration is slim, not all but a majority of the older generation seem to be so gullible and believe anything they hear. Expecting a lot of leavers to be regretting their decisions soon, if not already

[bots]

i can't help but laugh. We had a democratic option to vote yes or no ... and we got a democratic result. Thats what being democratic is all about. I didnt vote for brexit, but it was the will of the people, so you accept it and move forward. Insulting people who didnt agree with you will not achieve anything :joker:

[jaxie]

Because I should be able to trust that people in this country would prioritize the Economy over their own personal vendettas.

I can see that I was wrong in showing that much faith in people to do the right thing.

This isn't like some small Local Election, or some Reality TV Show result going against me, this will screw us all over for quite some time, and it's all because some of the older generations can't handle Immigration.

I'm not voting on a vendetta. I do not believe in the European project, I do not share their views and ideals. I've wanted to vote on Europe for most of my adult life. I was too young last time. I voted for our economy and to release us from restrictions and trade deficit so that we can flourish. I don't think you have read extensively on the issues from some of the things you are saying but please don't presume we are all as uninformed.

[Livia]

i can't help but laugh. We had a democratic option to vote yes or no ... and we got a democratic result. Thats what being democratic is all about. I didnt vote for brexit, but it was the will of the people, so you accept it and move forward. Insulting people who didnt agree with you will not achieve anything :joker:

What a great post.

[Mystic Mock]

It matters that you didn't vote because now when you call out others for not voting you look like a chuffing hypocrite.

I haven't called out people for not voting?:conf:

I think you need to reread the post again as I said that I wish that more of us Remain voters (including myself) had've voted as we would've seen a different result.

How's that making me a hypocrite?

[Mystic Mock]

Coming from the one who didn't do one of the easiest things to do, vote?

It was that X, it was so tricky to write down.

[Glenn.]

It was that X, it was so tricky to write down.

Clearly

[Northern Monkey]

It was on all of the News stations, Newspapers, and Internet Articles, if you haven't seen them then that's not my problem.:joker:

And tbh yes I think the country is thick for putting Immigration before the Economy of it's own country yes, if that makes me wrong then I'm glad to be wrong.

And my parents is a different matter to this, they're thick for different reasons.

And why does it matter if I didn't vote? I should trust my fellow countrymen to vote properly shouldn't I? Or are you saying that I can overturn a million vote gap of people voting with their heart instead of their head? If so I'm impressed that you think that much of me that I can overturn such a result.:joker:
Even David Cameron said before the referendum campaign that Britain would manage fine out of the EU.He only changed his mind when campaigning began just like with his Turkey u-turn.Will we be better off economically in the long run?Only time will tell but we are'nt going to sink.
These so called 'experts' have a track record for either getting things wrong or missing them completely.Not to mention some are EU funded.Project fear from remain about doomsday and WW3 did'nt wash with the intellegent people of this country who saw right through it.

As for why does it matter if you did'nt vote?Are you being serious?It's people with that attitude that lost this referendum for the remain side.If you and the many more people like you had used your democratic right to vote then we may still be an EU member now.You can't rely on anyone to use your vote.Only you and all the other non voters can use it.
To complain about the result after truly deserves this :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:

[Mystic Mock]

Mock, please just stop.

You're arguing for the sake of it because you couldn't even be arsed to ****ing vote.

You do realise that I'm in the right? We're agreeing on the same thing so take my side.

All I've said is that people voted silly you should be agreeing with me on that considering we are on the same side.

And I'm not the one doing the arguing, just because people have an issue with me on here doesn't mean that you can't use your eyes and not rewrite history.

I swear to god if people say that I'm in the wrong because "I didn't vote" or because some people like to take swipes at me even when they agree with me (like here) then I will seriously flip out.

I am allowed to have opinions just because I haven't voted doesn't lessen my opinion over everyone else's opinion.

But seriously Lucas take your bias against me away for a second and look at who's starting the "arguments" or don't bother posting at all if you can't look at debates objectively.

I didn't even ****ing start the argument so don't pretend that I did.

It's like that ****ing Adele thread all over again where I made a flippant comment and people pretended that it was a massive deal, where as if someone else had've said there would've been nothing said.

[jaxie]

i can't help but laugh. We had a democratic option to vote yes or no ... and we got a democratic result. Thats what being democratic is all about. I didnt vote for brexit, but it was the will of the people, so you accept it and move forward. Insulting people who didnt agree with you will not achieve anything :joker:

:clap2:

[kirklancaster]

A - I don't know.
B - Is a positive considering our Economy has improved over the decades since we've been trading with the EU.
C - I don't know the Maths of that, but I know that we contribute within the top 3 within the EU in terms of funding.
D - I don't know.
E - I don't know.

I'm no expert, it's just basic knowledge that when the UK has got one of the best Economies in the world (which is thanks to the EU) then you don't vote to make our Economy worse just because of Immigration or whatever other issues that you've got.:umm2:

I'm not trying to be 'clever' Mock, I am just trying to illustrate to you that you know so very little about a subject matter which you are now so vociferous about.

Admonishing and reproaching and insulting members for their 'informed' choices when you are so clearly ignorant of the subject under discussion, is pure folly.

You are simply NOT qualified to make the erroneous and sweeping statements which you are making.

[Mystic Mock]

Mock this is embarrassing :umm2:

Making well reasoned posts about our future is embarrassing.:laugh3:

[Tom4784]

i can't help but laugh. We had a democratic option to vote yes or no ... and we got a democratic result. Thats what being democratic is all about. I didnt vote for brexit, but it was the will of the people, so you accept it and move forward. Insulting people who didnt agree with you will not achieve anything :joker:

I'm not insulting anyone, people are allowed to be unhappy about the decision just like the Leavers were allowed to scream bloody murder about it being rigged when it wasn't going their way.

[Mystic Mock]

Firstly, don't quote research that you can't back up or I'm going to assume you've made it up. Secondly, OF COURSE it matters that you didn't vote. You're making a huge fuss because people didn't vote how you wanted them to vote while saying you, yourself, was too busy. I was busy... everyone's busy. And no, I don't believe your one vote would have mattered much, but as you didn't vote at all, it kind of negates your right to have a view.

No it doesn't.

And my kind of busy is a bit different to most people's which has made it hard for me to probably be able to ever vote on anything in Politics after this result.

[kirklancaster]

i can't help but laugh. We had a democratic option to vote yes or no ... and we got a democratic result. Thats what being democratic is all about. I didnt vote for brexit, but it was the will of the people, so you accept it and move forward. Insulting people who didnt agree with you will not achieve anything :joker:

Yes, I've got to agree with Livia - a GREAT post.

[Mystic Mock]

Here you are, having not bothered to vote, and having not the first clue how the legal system works, attempting to school other people on how you think it might work and imagining that's going to reinforce your point.

You should just step away from it now.

Well considering I got it bang on I think that you need to look at what the EU and the European Court of Law is.:joker:

[Jack_]

You're assuming your opinion is right and everyone else who voted to leave is a little bit silly and didn't think it through. How likely do you think that is?

Of course I think my opinion is right, it's my damn opinion. Why do people say this on forums? It's so stupid, it wouldn't be much of an opinion if I didn't think it was right would it?

LOL @ "Brexit being won on fear". The people of the UK have rejected a campaign built on months of non-stop fear and negativity by voting out.

Oh please, both campaigns were atrociously negative and focused on none of the main benefits of the EU, just the economy, trade and immigration on repeat ad nauseam, I've said this plenty of times.

So too did Cameron and co engage in fearmongering of their own with talk of another recession, but to deny that much of the Leave campaign used people's very real concerns about the lack of housing and jobs to blame immigration for it is just delusional. Ramping up and playing on people's sense of nationalism and scapegoating immigrants for societal problems they didn't cause is most definitely a campaign run on fear

[jaxie]

You do realise that I'm in the right? We're agreeing on the same thing so take my side.

All I've said is that people voted silly you should be agreeing with me on that considering we are on the same side.

And I'm not the one doing the arguing, just because people have an issue with me on here doesn't mean that you can't use your eyes and not rewrite history.

I swear to god if people say that I'm in the wrong because "I didn't vote" or because some people like to take swipes at me even when they agree with me (like here) then I will seriously flip out.

I am allowed to have opinions just because I haven't voted doesn't lessen my opinion over everyone else's opinion.

But seriously Lucas take your bias against me away for a second and look at who's starting the "arguments" or don't bother posting at all if you can't look at debates objectively.

I didn't even ****ing start the argument so don't pretend that I did.

It's like that ****ing Adele thread all over again where I made a flippant comment and people pretended that it was a massive deal, where as if someone else had've said there would've been nothing said.
You can flip all you like. :shrug: but that still doesn't change the fact that you are angry and complaining because you didn't vote and other people didn't achieve your desires for you. That's just barmy.

[Crimson Dynamo]

My head hurts from talking to the people at work about why they voted to leave. None have good legit arguments/reasons. One guy only voted because he was worried housing and hospitals would be taken up by immigrants and that was the only reason he voted which pisses me off because the chances of there being a huge change in immigration is slim, not all but a majority of the older generation seem to be so gullible and believe anything they hear. Expecting a lot of leavers to be regretting their decisions soon, if not already

and what have the remainers been saying about the benefits of being in the EU?

[Mystic Mock]

Oh and apparently what Farage has said about Immigration is wrong is it Livia? And the fact that the public did indeed vote for UKIP to represent us in the EU is also wrong? Because the last time I checked these things happened, and the EU and the European Court of Law are separate entities.

So what exactly did I get wrong?:think:

[jaxie]

No it doesn't.

And my kind of busy is a bit different to most people's which has made it hard for me to probably be able to ever vote on anything in Politics after this result.

Anyone can get a postal vote. You mark the box and post it,how is anyone too busy for that?

[Mystic Mock]

Redundant Post

The Economy being important is a redundant post to you?

And you wonder why I have a low opinion of the Leave campaigning when all I catch is silly posts/tweets like this.

[letmein]

I'm not voting on a vendetta. I do not believe in the European project, I do not share their views and ideals. I've wanted to vote on Europe for most of my adult life. I was too young last time. I voted for our economy and to release us from restrictions and trade deficit so that we can flourish. I don't think you have read extensively on the issues from some of the things you are saying but please don't presume we are all as uninformed.

There will be no flourishing. You can't do business without doing business with the EU (if you're doing business with European countries). That's the great irony. No one is going to invest in Britain now. Britain's economy is officially DONE. The debt is going to skyrocket and people aren't going to be able to afford jacksh-t. Good luck. Britain now has no seat at the table. It will have no power economically or politically.

[Mystic Mock]

i can't help but laugh. We had a democratic option to vote yes or no ... and we got a democratic result. Thats what being democratic is all about. I didnt vote for brexit, but it was the will of the people, so you accept it and move forward. Insulting people who didnt agree with you will not achieve anything :joker:

Stuff that hurts this country should not be being given out to the public.

The people that voted to Leave thought with their heart instead of their head.

[AnnieK]

No it doesn't.

And my kind of busy is a bit different to most people's which has made it hard for me to probably be able to ever vote on anything in Politics after this result.

Can you say why you are so busy mock? That might help people understand why you couldn't vote

[Mystic Mock]

Clearly

Or it could be the fact that I've got a lot of drama going on in my life that's distracted me away from the Referendum.

But of course it's my fault for having financial problems hit the family and focusing to keep us off the street instead of voting to Remain in the EU.

[Mystic Mock]

Even David Cameron said before the referendum campaign that Britain would manage fine out of the EU.He only changed his mind when campaigning began just like with his Turkey u-turn.Will we be better off economically in the long run?Only time will tell but we are'nt going to sink.
These so called 'experts' have a track record for either getting things wrong or missing them completely.Not to mention some are EU funded.Project fear from remain about doomsday and WW3 did'nt wash with the intellegent people of this country who saw right through it.

As for why does it matter if you did'nt vote?Are you being serious?It's people with that attitude that lost this referendum for the remain side.If you and the many more people like you had used your democratic right to vote then we may still be an EU member now.You can't rely on anyone to use your vote.Only you and all the other non voters can use it.
To complain about the result after truly deserves this :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:

To vote to Leave when thinking that it's gonna end Immigration, and break us away from the European Court of Law deserves this.:facepalm:facepalm::facepalm::laugh::laugh2:: laugh3:

[jaxie]

Or it could be the fact that I've got a lot of drama going on in my life that's distracted me away from the Referendum.

But of course it's my fault for having financial problems hit the family and focusing to keep us off the street instead of voting to Remain in the EU.

I'm sorry for your problems. We all have problems and we still manage to vote and do other things. My family collapsed when I was a teenager because my father had both his legs amputated. It was hard times.

[Mystic Mock]

I'm not trying to be 'clever' Mock, I am just trying to illustrate to you that you know so very little about a subject matter which you are now so vociferous about.

Admonishing and reproaching and insulting members for their 'informed' choices when you are so clearly ignorant of the subject under discussion, is pure folly.

You are simply NOT qualified to make the erroneous and sweeping statements which you are making.

The Leave campaigners are not informed.

A lot of them don't even know that we voted the UKIP to represent us in the EU ffs.:laugh3:

[bots]

Stuff that hurts this country should not be being given out to the public.

The people that voted to Leave thought with their heart instead of their head.

you miss the point. It doesnt matter if the voter knows every detail on a subject to vote. There is no intelligence test to vote. That is one of the fundamental principles of democracy. The other principle is that you accept the result. Without that, you may as well live in a dictatorship. Somehow, i think you will find that option much, much worse.

[Kyle]

Can you say why you are so busy mock? That might help people understand why you couldn't vote

People need to be schooled on the Internet. It's a full time occupation that.

[Mystic Mock]

You can flip all you like. :shrug: but that still doesn't change the fact that you are angry and complaining because you didn't vote and other people didn't achieve your desires for you. That's just barmy.

I'm angry that I didn't vote, I'm angry that other people didn't vote that wanted to Remain, I'm angry that people damaged our Economy because of a few niggles, I'm angry that we could lose Scotland because of this, I'm angry that people on here on the Leave side have been so rude not just today but throughout the entire campaign making up stuff about what the EU is about and then pretend that the other person isn't "informed" because they point out a less perfect picture of our UK Government.

I am also angry that David Cameron gave out this Referendum knowing that the Out vote was always gonna get a surge in the vote because the more negative side of anything is gonna attract more passion and more people to vote from that side than the positive option.

I'm angry that the Media favoured the Leave campaign so blatantly yet nothing has been done to reprimand them about it because our stupid Laws makes them be able to not be impartial on important matters such as a Referendum.

[Mystic Mock]

and what have the remainers been saying about the benefits of being in the EU?

A better Economy
A much happier Scotland
Tighter relations with America and Japan
Tighter relations with our Neighbours (Europe)
And Boris Johnson doesn't become Tory leader for just that little bit longer

[Mystic Mock]

Anyone can get a postal vote. You mark the box and post it,how is anyone too busy for that?

I've kind of given you hints as to why I can't do that.

[kirklancaster]

No he isn't, he lied about being able to spend £350 million a week on the NHS :joker:

He did not lie Smithy. Our wasted £20 billion pounds per year to the failed mess that is the EU (HALF A TRILLION POUNDS UP TO NOW!) COULD and SHOULD be spent right here in this country.

Where Nigel Farage erred, was in saying it WOULD be spent here, and his error was compounded by the fact that he is not in any position of power which would enable him to make that decision.

What Farage has done, is made it possible for the electorate of tbis country to impose their collective will upon the Government and FORCE them to allocate these collossal sums to the NHS and Education, and to our services, because we KNOW about this money. We KNOW the amounts. It is NOT hidden, and the Government can be made publicly accountable for it.

The Government cannot secretly utilise this money on other matters - in the way Cameron covertly paid over £34 billion pounds of UK taxpayers money to the EU to help it make good the £259 billion deficit in the EU Budget caused by fraud and embezzlement - we did NOT know about this until AFTER the event, but this £20 Billion+ PA is different.

We KNOW about it and it is money which the UK Treasury cannot hide, so it is now up to us as voters and taxpayers to ensure that we FORCE them to spend on the NHS etc.

[Crimson Dynamo]

A better Economy
A much happier Scotland
Tighter relations with America and Japan
Tighter relations with our Neighbours (Europe)
And Boris Johnson doesn't become Tory leader for just that little bit longer

A better Economy - better means nothing and no one knows the markets

A much happier Scotland - true

Tighter relations with our Neighbours (Europe) - that is not the reality of people like Norway who are not members at all


And Boris Johnson doesn't become Tory leader for just that little bit longer - and the better tory choice is?

[Suze]

i can't help but laugh. We had a democratic option to vote yes or no ... and we got a democratic result. Thats what being democratic is all about. I didnt vote for brexit, but it was the will of the people, so you accept it and move forward. Insulting people who didnt agree with you will not achieve anything :joker:

Spot on.

It will be debated of course, but some also need to try and respect others choices also for whatever reasons for voting to stay or leave. We are each given that vote to use how we choose to use it not how some might prefer us to.

[Mystic Mock]

Can you say why you are so busy mock? That might help people understand why you couldn't vote

It's a bit too personal, but I think that I've given enough hints as to why I couldn't do it through Postal in particular.

But it doesn't matter anyway people can complain about the result no matter if they've voted or not.

The only ones that can't complain about the result are the Leavers when they hate it being out of the EU as they did vote for this after all.

[kirklancaster]

People need to be schooled on the Internet. It's a full time occupation that.

Welcome back Kyle - great to see you posting.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Nigel will be having a few fags and a few ales tonight

[Mystic Mock]

I'm sorry for your problems. We all have problems and we still manage to vote and do other things. My family collapsed when I was a teenager because my father had both his legs amputated. It was hard times.

I'm sorry to hear about your Dad.

But tbh it's not exactly easy to vote when you're just trying to live through the day which is practically over for me now.

[Mystic Mock]

He did not lie Smithy. Our wasted £20 billion pounds per year to the failed mess that is the EU (HALF A TRILLION POUNDS UP TO NOW!) COULD and SHOULD be spent right here in this country.

Where Nigel Farage erred, was in saying it WOULD be spent here, and his error was compounded by the fact that he is not in any position of power which would enable him to make that decision.

What Farage has done, is made it possible for the electorate of tbis country to impose their collective will upon the Government and FORCE them to allocate these collossal sums to the NHS and Education, and to our services, because we KNOW about this money. We KNOW the amounts. It is NOT hidden, and the Government can be made publicly accountable for it.

The Government cannot secretly utilise this money on other matters - in the way Cameron covertly paid over £34 billion pounds of UK taxpayers money to the EU to help it make good the £259 billion deficit in the EU Budget caused by fraud and embezzlement - we did NOT know about this until AFTER the event, but this £20 Billion+ PA is different.

We KNOW about it and it is money which the UK Treasury cannot hide, so it is now up to us as voters and taxpayers to ensure that we FORCE them to spend on the NHS etc.

The money will just go into the MP's back pockets instead of being spent on the NHS or any other fundamental services.

Farage, Cameron, Corbyn, Sturgeon etc do not care about the people's health that's in the lower classes, that just needs to be accepted sadly.

[Suze]

Nigel will be having a few fags and a few ales tonight

:D

I wanted something to celebrate, more on Cameron resigning than the vote, though they go hand in hand. For me a few muller corners will have to suffice and/or maybe a trifle :hee:

[Mystic Mock]

A better Economy - better means nothing and no one knows the markets

A much happier Scotland - true

Tighter relations with our Neighbours (Europe) - that is not the reality of people like Norway who are not members at all


And Boris Johnson doesn't become Tory leader for just that little bit longer - and the better tory choice is?

A better Economy is the most important thing about this Remain vs Leave campaign.

And we're much closer with the EU countries than we are with Norway Politically.

And tbh I can't believe I'm saying this but I would just keep the Pig ****er.

[Northern Monkey]

Okay we do make our own laws, they just have to pass through the European Court of Law (which btw has absolutely nothing to do with what the EU is about) And if you've read my other posts in this thread you know that I've said it's not Xenophobic to want tighter boarders on Immigration, it's just when people seem to be so venomous about any form of Immigration at all (which a lot of Leavers have been) it does look prejudiced which you've got to admit can look that way from an outside perspective?

And we could've elected our own European representatives in the EU, but instead we voted UKIP who didn't even attend the meetings, so of course we didn't get anything that we wanted.

And who said about giving priority to foreigners? It's just that we need some Immigration to survive in this current climate and Immigration will still happen anyway it will just instead come from backward countries like Saudi Arabia now.
Er no....
1.The EU Commissioners(who are appointed.Not elected)make EU laws which are then passed down to the European Parliament(not the European court of law which you speak of).We do not make the laws the unelected Commissioners do.

2.Your "alot of leavers" are venomous about any form of immigration is pure speculation.You have'nt spoken to or even heard the opinions of "alot" of leavers you've only heard from a tiny amount of leavers so have no clue on the opinions of "alot" of leavers and "it does look prejudiced" means nothing."it does look predjudiced" to you.

3.We do have representatives in the EU Parliament who do turn up but only have a tiny voice as they are outnumbered 27-1.We can't get "anything we wanted".

4.If we are not bound by EU law to take unlimited EU immigration then we can pick and choose whoever we want without having to discriminate one part of the world over another.The point is that it is up to us and if we decide that we want more Indian doctors or Polish builders or whatever then that is our decision.

[Kizzy]

So DEMOCRACY is exercised and all of a sudden, this is a "stupid backwards country" full of "stupid backward people"?

Obviously your opinion weighs more heavily than that of 17,410,742 other British Citizens?

:shrug:

Unfortunately, you are - like the rest of us - but a mere passenger on the good ship HMS Great Britain, NOT the Captain.

Yep backwards, some will only be happy when there's a wall around England and we can only marry our cousins.
My opinion is no heavier than anyone elses , would never suggest it was.

In my opinion the ship is sinking in a sea of right wing bull.

[Jack_]

He did not lie Smithy. Our wasted £20 billion pounds per year to the failed mess that is the EU (HALF A TRILLION POUNDS UP TO NOW!) COULD and SHOULD be spent right here in this country.

Where Nigel Farage erred, was in saying it WOULD be spent here, and his error was compounded by the fact that he is not in any position of power which would enable him to make that decision.

What Farage has done, is made it possible for the electorate of tbis country to impose their collective will upon the Government and FORCE them to allocate these collossal sums to the NHS and Education, and to our services, because we KNOW about this money. We KNOW the amounts. It is NOT hidden, and the Government can be made publicly accountable for it.

The Government cannot secretly utilise this money on other matters - in the way Cameron covertly paid over £34 billion pounds of UK taxpayers money to the EU to help it make good the £259 billion deficit in the EU Budget caused by fraud and embezzlement - we did NOT know about this until AFTER the event, but this £20 Billion+ PA is different.

We KNOW about it and it is money which the UK Treasury cannot hide, so it is now up to us as voters and taxpayers to ensure that we FORCE them to spend on the NHS etc.

You honestly believe a majority of the electorate give a flying **** about the NHS? If that were the case they wouldn't have put the Tories into power on their own a year ago. They're far too concerned with the 'effects' of immigration rather than what the actual causes of NHS failures are - underfunding

The NHS isn't going to see a penny of this money and I've been baffled as to why the Leave campaign kept using it as a reason to leave, as if this government has any interest whatsoever in spending it on the things which need it the most, namely the health service, the education system and housing. They don't, it'll disappear into the pockets of the minority and we'll be no better off for it - and they won't even have as many restrictions on what policies they can impose on said electorate since we'll no longer have the protections the EU afforded us

The hard line Tories waiting in the wings of power must be frothing at the mouth about what they'll soon be able to do to the working people of Britain

[Headie]

746209676564402176

:worry:

[Northern Monkey]

Yep backwards, some will only be happy when there's a wall around England and we can only marry our cousins.
My opinion is no heavier than anyone elses , would never suggest it was.

In my opinion the ship is sinking in a sea of right wing bull.

The European Union is the sinking ship and we just found the first lifeboat to dry land:dance:

[Mystic Mock]

Yep backwards, some will only be happy when there's a wall around England and we can only marry our cousins.
My opinion is no heavier than anyone elses , would never suggest it was.

In my opinion the ship is sinking in a sea of right wing bull.

Also it's not smart to allow the people to vote on something if they're gonna damage the country, yes it's a dictatorship doing that, but sometimes countries have had to do dictatorial things to make sure that the country is run to the best of it's abilities.

As I've said this isn't a General Election where you can afford to vote with your heart, we needed people to use their brain and they failed on that all because of the wishful thinking of Immigration control, and a better NHS.:crazy:

The latter being the most ridiculous as the NHS is gonna die unless our Political Parties actually start caring about it's people again, the EU can't do anything to save that.

I'm sorry for quoting this at you Kizzy btw, I just couldn't find Kirk's post.

[Mystic Mock]

746209676564402176

:worry:

I'm sorry Hayden and half of TIBB.

Just know that people like myself have warned people in their families and on the Internet about the horrible changes that could happen with the EU now gone.

[Jack.]

Also it's not smart to allow the people to vote on something if they're gonna damage the country, yes it's a dictatorship doing that, but sometimes countries have had to do dictatorial things to make sure that the country is run to the best of it's abilities.

As I've said this isn't a General Election where you can afford to vote with your heart, we needed people to use their brain and they failed on that all because of the wishful thinking of Immigration control, and a better NHS.:crazy:

The latter being the most ridiculous as the NHS is gonna die unless our Political Parties actually start caring about it's people again, the EU can't do anything to save that.

I'm sorry for quoting this at you Kizzy btw, I just couldn't find Kirk's post.

I agree with you. People shouldn't have been voting with their heart, They should have been voting with their head. Like most of the people I know have voted leave, They say they voted leave as they were all the polish etc out of this country none of them have actually looked at all the different aspects of the vote to leave.

I've been vote remain for the start, But I made sure that did my research into both remain and leave campaigns before I decided to vote remain. The Uk will soon we how did of a mistake leaving the EU is.

[letmein]

Morgan Stanley just announced they're moving 2000 jobs out of London starting next week.

[reece(:]

So how on Earth are Nicola Sturgeon and The Mayor of London (Khan) going to fight to have their respective areas heard and stay in the EU.

[Mystic Mock]

Morgan Stanley just announced they're moving 2000 jobs out of London starting next week.

So it begins.

[Mystic Mock]

I agree with you. People shouldn't have been voting with their heart, They should have been voting with their head. Like most of the people I know have voted leave, They say they voted leave as they were all the polish etc out of this country none of them have actually looked at all the different aspects of the vote to leave.

I've been vote remain for the start, But I made sure that did my research into both remain and leave campaigns before I decided to vote remain. The Uk will soon we how did of a mistake leaving the EU is.

I've never had issues with the Polish as most of them do work, and they've always been nice to me when I've spoken to some of them so I've always had a good impression of them.

I'm glad that you can see what I'm saying though instead of having the Leavers refusing to understand, or LucasMichael's weird stance against me earlier when I was taking his side lol.

[Jack.]

Morgan Stanley just announced they're moving 2000 jobs out of London starting next week.

Oh what a surprise the leave campaign staying that we'll get loads more jobs but instead we're losing jobs, Not like them to lie :hehe:

[reece(:]

Morgan Stanley just announced they're moving 2000 jobs out of London starting next week.

That's only the start of it

[Jack.]

I've never had issues with the Polish as most of them do work, and they've always been nice to me when I've spoken to some of them so I've always had a good impression of them.

I'm glad that you can see what I'm saying though instead of having the Leavers refusing to understand, or LucasMichael's weird stance against me earlier when I was taking his side lol.

Yeah I've never had any issue with the polish either, Yeah I see what you're trying to say :laugh:

[Mystic Mock]

Oh what a surprise the leave campaign staying that we'll get loads more jobs but instead we're losing jobs, Not like them to lie :hehe:

The Leave campaign had Farage and Galloway supporting it.

Well renowned liars.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Oh what a surprise the leave campaign staying that we'll get loads more jobs but instead we're losing jobs, Not like them to lie :hehe:

and was their deadline 3pm on the first day?


:laugh2:

[arista]

https://softleftpolitics.files.wordpress.com/2016/05/straight-outta-europe.jpg?w=600

[joeysteele]

So it begins.

It does indeed Mock,it does indeed.

[arista]

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[Crimson Dynamo]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mystic Mock View Post
So it begins.

Quote:
Originally Posted by joeysteele
It does indeed Mock,it does indeed.



What?

the bitterness?

:laugh2:

[arista]

http://ih1.redbubble.net/image.89545124.5868/ra,fitted_scoop,x1350,fafafa:ca443f4786,front-c,30,60,940,730-bg,f8f8f8.4u2.jpg
hi lady

[Black Dagger]

stop

[Mystic Mock]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mystic Mock View Post
So it begins.

Quote:
Originally Posted by joeysteele
It does indeed Mock,it does indeed.



What?

the bitterness?

:laugh2:

Not as bitter as the Leavers when the EU fail to listen to your demands.:joker:

[AnnieK]

Am sure there will be a lot of knee jerk reaction s are to be expected in the early days. I have spent the day researching how it will effect my industry (recruitment) and the immediate future is very bleak indeed. Can only hope we stabilise quickly but there is no telling how quick or slow it will be. Lots of untested and grey areas....difficult times will come quickly for a lot of us initially.

[reece(:]

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[Crimson Dynamo]

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and what about the people in 1975 when we decided to join?


or does being young stop you studying recent history?

[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/06/24/12/article-3657852-359EE7A100000578-870_636x382.jpg


At least all these Respect our choice.

[user104658]

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And fear of The Other is strongest in the over 60's. Pretty clear picture of what's actually happened here, IMO, and it's really quite horrifying. Add to that the very real possibility of Trump becoming the President of the United States, and the world is heading back in a seriously dark direction.

[letmein]

And fear of The Other is strongest in the over 60's. Pretty clear picture of what's actually happened here, IMO, and it's really quite horrifying. Add to that the very real possibility of Trump becoming the President of the United States, and the world is heading back in a seriously dark direction.

There's next to no possibility of Trump becoming president with the way the electoral college is set up. The math isn't there for him. The US is safe.

[Wizard.]

What has Hitler, I mean Merkel said?

[_Tom_]

Morgan Stanley just announced they're moving 2000 jobs out of London starting next week.

Um...

Morgan Stanley denies moving 2,000 London jobs to Dublin and Frankfurt:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/morgan-stanley-brexit-eu-referendum-jobs-dublin-frankfurt-a7100911.html

Maybe try posting a source next time?

[reece(:]

Mess at Fox news

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[Northern Monkey]

There's next to no possibility of Trump becoming president with the way the electoral college is set up. The math isn't there for him. The US is safe.

I don't think the US is safe either way

[EspeonBB]

There's next to no possibility of Trump becoming president with the way the electoral college is set up. The math isn't there for him. The US is safe.

Barely anyone thought the Brexit would actually happen either. I think it proves the anti-immigrant anti-establishment movement is bigger than expected which will help Trump

[_Tom_]

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:worry:

Sorry that's a lie - our rights come from the Equality Act 2010. Many EU countries have far fewer LGBT rights.

[_Tom_]

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[letmein]

Barely anyone thought the Brexit would actually happen either. I think it proves the anti-immigrant anti-establishment movement is bigger than expected which will help Trump

No. You have to crunch the numbers and learn how it works. It's a bit complicated. He's at an extreme disadvantage. It's not a popular vote. Clinton is also beating him by 10 points now nationally. His negatives are at 70%. He's not going to get Florida. You can't win in America by winning just white voters. It's impossible.

Donald Trump Favorable: 29%, Unfavorable: 70%

Whites (39/59)
Blacks (4/94)
Hispanics (11/89)
Non-White Other (12/88)

Clinton has $43 million dollars in cash on hand. Trump has just $1.3. The ads she's running on a loop are killing him.

Quinnipiac:

Florida: Clinton 47%, Trump 39% (Clinton +8)
Ohio: Clinton 41%, Trump 41% (Even)
Pennsylvania: Clinton 42%, Trump 41% (Clinton +1)

There is no way forward for Donald Trump if he's that far behind in Florida; he could win New Hampshire, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Iowa, North Carolina, AND Colorado, and still lose the election by 12 Electoral Votes.

His own party wants to drop him. His staff is leaving in droves. Republicans are coming out and supporting Hillary. He can't even find anyone other than Chris Christie to be his VP. It's over. Even he knows. He's already launching his own television network, TrumpTV. He's got a new gig already lined up. He's going on trial soon for fraud though, not to mention the rape lawsuit that was just filed against him.

[joeysteele]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mystic Mock View Post
So it begins.

Quote:
Originally Posted by joeysteele
It does indeed Mock,it does indeed.



What?

the bitterness?

:laugh2:

Speak for yourself please, I am far from bitter, just massively disillusioned and disappointed with my Country.

Laugh your sarcastic way all you like but it's hardly the greatest contribution on a serious thread.

If you think it funny that a company may be moving jobs out of the UK to mainland Europe, that's far from anything to laugh at.

[_Tom_]

Except they're not...

Morgan Stanley denies moving 2,000 London jobs to Dublin and Frankfurt:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/bu...-a7100911.html

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[arista]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/06/24/14/article-3657965-35A07A7A00000578-959_308x487.jpg

[kirklancaster]

You honestly believe a majority of the electorate give a flying **** about the NHS? If that were the case they wouldn't have put the Tories into power on their own a year ago. They're far too concerned with the 'effects' of immigration rather than what the actual causes of NHS failures are - underfunding

The NHS isn't going to see a penny of this money and I've been baffled as to why the Leave campaign kept using it as a reason to leave, as if this government has any interest whatsoever in spending it on the things which need it the most, namely the health service, the education system and housing. They don't, it'll disappear into the pockets of the minority and we'll be no better off for it - and they won't even have as many restrictions on what policies they can impose on said electorate since we'll no longer have the protections the EU afforded us

The hard line Tories waiting in the wings of power must be frothing at the mouth about what they'll soon be able to do to the working people of Britain

First of all Jack, over 63% of the British Electorate did NOT vote the Tories into power a year ago.

Secondly, I do believe that the majority of the electorate do care about the NHS, and my belief is bolstered by the fact that the working classes and the disenfranchised are in the majority in this country, therefore THEY make up most of that 63% who did not vote Tory, and being working class or disenfranchised, THEY are also the ones who most need and use the NHS.

Making a statement that the above majority are "far too concerned with the 'effects' of immigration rather than what the actual causes of NHS failures are - underfunding" is frankly ludicrous, contrary to the huge public concerns about the NHS, and cannot be substantiated, and is, therefore, mere opinion, which is no more valid than anyone else's which may oppose what you claim.

As for: "The NHS isn't going to see a penny of this money" - in the very post which you are responding to, I outlined just how WE the public must collectively FORCE the Government to utilise this money for the NHS and other ailing, cash-starved services.

The Government are NOT going to freely elect to allocate these sums to the NHS and other services, but they CAN be forced to, by 'people power' - EXACTLY as we forced another Government to do a U Turn over The Poll Tax.

I'm afraid that when it comes to your other point - about 'EU Protections' - we must agree to disagree, because my years of exhaustive research into the EU, persuades me that, far from protecting the NHS, the EU -- in league with the USA -- were fully intent on privatising the best elements of the NHS, and dismantling the rest, and all via the TTIP agreement that both have been actively, if covertly working towards for years.

[Pete.]

746209676564402176

:worry:
I thought the HRA was determined by the EC on Human Rights which is completely seperate from the EU?

[arista]

Except they're not...

Morgan Stanley denies moving 2,000 London jobs to Dublin and Frankfurt:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/bu...-a7100911.html

[2]


Poxy BBC reporting
not correcting

[kirklancaster]

Poxy BBC reporting
not correcting

Too true Arista, but eliciting the usual, hysterical reaction from some embittered 'Remain' campaigners nonetheless.

[Black Dagger]

Why are we not allowed to be angry and keep getting 'bitter' jibes :umm2:

[kirklancaster]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/06/24/14/article-3657965-35A07A7A00000578-959_308x487.jpg

Fecking Poland Top Of The Chart - there's a surprise.

[Northern Monkey]

Greece and France out next.

Merkel was ****ting her pants earlier in her speech that the EU is about to collapse

[Headie]

Sorry that's a lie - our rights come from the Equality Act 2010. Many EU countries have far fewer LGBT rights.

So just because some European countries have worse LGBT rights than the UK, that justifies it? :suspect:

What about all the countries outside of the EU who have poor LGBT rights

[Johnnyuk123]

Fecking Poland Top Of The Chart - there's a surprise.

Hey Kirk! I thought this day could not get any better but i was wrong!
I've just found £1.23 down the back of the sofa! RESULT!:cheer2:

[Alf]

Sky news saying France ,Austria, Finland, Netherlands and Hungary Could follow The UK.

[Headie]

Why are we not allowed to be angry and keep getting 'bitter' jibes :umm2:

:clap1:

[Northern Monkey]

Hey Kirk! I thought this day could not get any better but i was wrong!
I've just found £1.23 down the back of the sofa! RESULT!:cheer2:

Atleast you can keep it and not have to pay it for your EU membership subs.

[joeysteele]

Why are we not allowed to be angry and keep getting 'bitter' jibes :umm2:

Just like with the general election last year ,some,thankfully only a few, people are far from magnanimous when they are on the winning side.

I dare bet had this been 52% to 48% the other way,from some on the 'leave' side, we would probably be hearing it was a fix,it was rigged or that it was so close we would need another vote sooner rather than later, and that it shouldn't count.

[Crimson Dynamo]

some people just keep backing losing horses..

[_Tom_]

I thought the HRA was determined by the EC on Human Rights which is completely seperate from the EU?

It is - as I posted on the page before - the rights come from the Equality Act 2010 - plus many EU countries have far fewer LGBT rights

[Scarlett.]

I also find it annoying that people have been belittling Scotland for wanting another referendum, Scotland voted almost unanimously to remain, part of the reason they stayed in the UK was fear mongering over them being pushed out of the EU when going it alone. England and Wales have ****ed Scotland and Northern Ireland over, if they want to leave, good on them, Scotland voted to remain, so they should get to remain.

[Black Dagger]

Just like with the general election last year ,some,thankfully only a few, people are far from magnanimous when they are on the winning side.

I dare bet had this been 52% to 48% the other way,from some on the 'leave' side, we would probably be hearing it was a fix,it was rigged or that it was so close we would need another vote sooner rather than later, and that it shouldn't count.

Farage already alluded to it

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36306681

But now he's won I'm sure the wonderfully modest and HONEST man would not be calling for one now.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Why are we not allowed to be angry and keep getting 'bitter' jibes :umm2:

you cant be angry at a democratic referendum, you can be dissapointed


Many countries would kill to have a fair and honest system like our one

[kirklancaster]

Why are we not allowed to be angry and keep getting 'bitter' jibes :umm2:

Read through this and other threads LM - impartially - and then trawl through social media, then you will understand that the difference between understandable 'anger' and the barbed attacks and snide comments to which I am referring to.

I KNOW that I am one of the most genuinely friendly and civil members on here, despite my passion, and I NEVER attack anyone first, but I will not shirk from stating the facts as I perceive them, very clearly.

Finally LM, I did say 'some' members of 'Remain' - not ALL, and certainly, I did not have you in mind.

[Scarlett.]

you cant be angry at a democratic referendum, you can be dissapointed


Many countries would kill to have a fair and honest system like our one

Pretty sure we are allowed to be angry and disappointed.

[joeysteele]

Farage already alluded to it

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36306681

But now he's won I'm sure the wonderfully modest and HONEST man would not be calling for one now.

No it is a great victory now to the 'leave' side you see, whereas had it been the other way, this would have been seen as 'remain' 'just' edging it, as he said last night too.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Pretty sure we are allowed to be angry and disappointed.

:nono:

No, i checked

[Johnnyuk123]

Atleast you can keep it and not have to pay it for your EU membership subs.

I've now found a total of £1.50 from the back of the sofa so i'm gonna celebrate with a bag of good old British chips.:wavey:

[Crimson Dynamo]

I think Nigel should be knighted now. It has to happen.

[Scarlett.]

:nono:

No, i checked

:laugh:

[reece(:]

Farage already alluded to it

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36306681

But now he's won I'm sure the wonderfully modest and HONEST man would not be calling for one now.

The question of a second referendum was raised by Mr Farage in an interview with the Mirror in which he said: "In a 52-48 referendum this would be unfinished business by a long way. If the Remain campaign win two-thirds to one-third that ends it."

He definitely won't be now it's swung his way!

[Headie]

plus many EU countries have far fewer LGBT rights

But I don't get why that would have affected the UK's LGBT policies if they stayed in, how come the UK has better LGBT rights now than these other EU countries don't? What will leaving do to improve it?

And isn't Europe supposed to have some of the best countries when it comes to LGBT rights? (Malta is supposedly the best country in the world for it)

[arista]

you cant be angry at a democratic referendum, you can be dissapointed


Many countries would kill to have a fair and honest system like our one


Bang On Right LT

[kirklancaster]

I think Nigel should be knighted now. It has to happen.

:clap1::clap1::clap1: Or will Dave get one intead LT You know the Establishment penchant for rewarding failure when it suits. :laugh:

[Johnnyuk123]

I think Nigel should be knighted now. It has to happen.

Cheryl Cole Versini (whatever her name is) is furious right now because our Nige has ousted her to become the nations sweetheart. She's not happy at all LT.
https://unseenflirtspoetry.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/cheryl.jpg?w=300&h=263

[Headie]

#notmyvote trending :clap1:

[kirklancaster]

I've now found a total of £1.50 from the back of the sofa so i'm gonna celebrate with a bag of good old British chips.:wavey:

:joker: INVEST IT JOHNNY - In British companies. You KNOW it makes sense. :laugh:

[kirklancaster]

Cheryl Cole Versini (whatever her name is) is furious right now because our Nige has ousted her to become the nations sweetheart. She's not happy at all LT.
https://unseenflirtspoetry.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/cheryl.jpg?w=300&h=263

Nah - It's 'cos Nige is a better singer. :laugh:

[Johnnyuk123]

Nah - It's 'cos Nige is a better singer. :laugh:

We should have a party later on tonight to celebrate this momentous occasion. Who's up for it?:dance:

[Crimson Dynamo]

#notmyvote trending :clap1:

let remain win twitter

:hehe:

[jaxie]

I've now found a total of £1.50 from the back of the sofa so i'm gonna celebrate with a bag of good old British chips.:wavey:

Just think we might be able to save our cod stocks now! Might be cod down the chippy again.

[Crimson Dynamo]

We should have a party later on tonight to celebrate this momentous occasion. Who's up for it?:dance:

Mines a pint of Bitter

[Johnnyuk123]

Just think we might be able to save our cod stocks now! Might be cod down the chippy again.

Cheaper fish n chips now guaranteed!:cheer2:

[Johnnyuk123]

Mines a pint of Bitter

I never had you down as bitter. :joker:

[Northern Monkey]

I've now found a total of £1.50 from the back of the sofa so i'm gonna celebrate with a bag of good old British chips.:wavey:

What?Not French Fries??

[kirklancaster]

What?Not French Fries??

:laugh: Very droll.

[Northern Monkey]

If anybody needs any cheese with their whine i'd stock up now before the French refuse to sell anything ever again:laugh:

[Black Dagger]

I've now found a total of £1.50 from the back of the sofa so i'm gonna celebrate with a bag of good old British chips.:wavey:

Hope they don't put too much vinegar on them and spoil them xo

[kirklancaster]

We should have a party later on tonight to celebrate this momentous occasion. Who's up for it?:dance:

Me. (Even though I have had no sleep yet since 4am yesterday morning.)

[Crimson Dynamo]

Hope they don't put too much vinegar on them and spoil them xo

http://www.bbc.co.uk/events/ewcj5v/live/cc8g9r

hurry, she is nearly done

xx

[Black Dagger]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/events/ewcj5v/live/cc8g9r

hurry, she is nearly done

xx

I've already fallen out with you today, don't try and make things worse.

Hopefully she falls off stage and breaks her neck.

xx

[Crimson Dynamo]

:laugh2:

[kirklancaster]

If anybody needs any cheese with their whine i'd stock up now before the French refuse to sell anything ever again:laugh:

:laugh: The French want OUT, but if they are forced to remain in that fecked up EU, it will not be very long before they are BEGGING us to buy their produce. :hee:

[kirklancaster]

I've already fallen out with you today, don't try and make things worse.

Hopefully she falls off stage and breaks her neck.

xx

:joker::joker::joker:

[Crimson Dynamo]

i think lots of countries will be looking at our result and wanting out

[Livia]

i think lots of countries will be looking at our result and wanting out

There have already been rumblings. I think this is the beginning of the end for the huge, unaccountable, unelected, wasteful, expensive machine that the EU had become.

[Northern Monkey]

i think lots of countries will be looking at our result and wanting outThe EU could shrink in the next few years.Merkel is worrying abit.

[Livia]

MONKEY! Where the hell have you been...?

[Dollface]

today is a good day

[Northern Monkey]

MONKEY! Where the hell have you been...?Hey Liv!
Well i've been on here all night and just before that.....banned(again:laugh:)

[reece(:]

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[Livia]

Hey Liv!
Well i've been on here all night and just before that.....banned(again:laugh:)

You must learn to behave yourself and be good.

And if you can't... pm me.

[Braden]

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:worry:

This was one of the reasons why I voted to remain. It makes me feel a little sick that my rights (and other LGBT people) are in the hands of the Tory government. Obvious the UK itself is a tolerant country, but it wouldn't surprise me if there were a law or two that would disparage the LGBT community. Boris, who is a contender to become the new PM, has made homophobic and racist comments in the past. He gets away with it because he's a bumbling weirdo that some people find quirky and amusing. Awful.

[reece(:]

If Boris gets PM, we ARE doomed. Vile man

[Dollface]

I like Boris, don't know an awful lot about him but he seems nice

[Mystic Mock]

I like Boris, don't know an awful lot about him but he seems nice

It's not Big Brother.

Do not judge him on likability, Boris makes me laugh, but he would not be a good leader for this country.

People seriously redeem yourselves, I'm hoping one of the Leavers or my Mom does something right to redeem themselves after harming me financially.

[Jack_]

I like Boris, don't know an awful lot about him but he seems nice

I'd recommend doing some more research if I were you

[Dollface]

It's not Big Brother.

Do not judge him on likability, Boris makes me laugh, but he would not be a good leader for this country.

People seriously redeem yourselves, I'm hoping one of the Leavers or my Mom does something right to redeem themselves after harming me financially.

I'm aware it's not Big Brother. I feel you're suggesting i'm stupid by that statement and I assure you i'm not stupid, I know enough about Boris to think he's not a bad guy, but I don't know enough about him to know whether or not he's PM worthy. You don't know how this will effect you financially, no-one knows how this will effect people/the country. All we can do is wait and see. No-one needs to redeem themselves yet.

[_Tom_]

So just because some European countries have worse LGBT rights than the UK, that justifies it? :suspect:

What about all the countries outside of the EU who have poor LGBT rights

What? We won't lose any LGBT rights. As I posted, our LGBT rights come from our Equality Act 2010, nothing to do with the EU. My other point was that other countries in the EU have far poorer LGBT rights, which means that the EU is not a guarantee for them.

[arista]

It's not Big Brother.

Do not judge him on likability, Boris makes me laugh, but he would not be a good leader for this country.

People seriously redeem yourselves, I'm hoping one of the Leavers or my Mom does something right to redeem themselves after harming me financially.


No its another Lady PM
due

[Dollface]

This is how I see it... The country was almost at rock bottom (i've just been refused surgery on the NHS, surgery that I need, despite my family paying outrageous tax for years and years and years, it's not right that the NHS funding is so piss poor!) being in the EU was not working, so maybe, it was time to try something different. If it doesn't work and this all goes tits up, at least we tried, and i'm proud that the majority of the country voted to try, despite it being such a risk.

[kirklancaster]

This is how I see it... The country was almost at rock bottom (i've just been refused surgery on the NHS, surgery that I need, despite my family paying outrageous tax for years and years and years, it's not right that the NHS funding is so piss poor!) being in the EU was not working, so maybe, it was time to try something different. If it doesn't work and this all goes tits up, at least we tried, and i'm proud that the majority of the country voted to try, despite it being such a risk.

:clap1::clap1::clap1: Well said Dollface. We will prosper as the EU disintegrates - you will see.

[kirklancaster]

What? We won't lose any LGBT rights. As I posted, our LGBT rights come from our Equality Act 2010, nothing to do with the EU. My other point was that other countries in the EU have far poorer LGBT rights, which means that the EU is not a guarantee for them.

I thought all the fecking scaremongering and misinformation would stop once the Referendum was over, but it's getting worse. :shrug:

[Black Dagger]

It's not my fault that I'm going to get hanged from a tree for being a gay, I'm allowed to be worried!!!!

[joeysteele]

It's not Big Brother.

Do not judge him on likability, Boris makes me laugh, but he would not be a good leader for this country.

People seriously redeem yourselves, I'm hoping one of the Leavers or my Mom does something right to redeem themselves after harming me financially.

He has never made me laugh,he has this buffoon front he puts on but I think he is likely to be more hardline than anything we have seen thus far since 2010.

He will certainly very sadly,appeal to the hard hearted hardliners who make a up a fair few of diehard Conservative supporters.

[Black Dagger]

Yes this whole lovable buffoon persona that he has because he'll play football with kids and fall over or dress up in ridiculous costumes is all a facade, he's a very dangerous bloke.

[Dollface]

:clap1::clap1::clap1: Well said Dollface. We will prosper as the EU disintegrates - you will see.

Thank you Kirk. I don't like getting involved in debates but I keep seeing people saying the only reason people voted out was due to immigration... but for me personally, immigration didn't even come into it. I think people need to realise that everyone had different reasons for voting.

[user104658]

This is how I see it... The country was almost at rock bottom (i've just been refused surgery on the NHS, surgery that I need, despite my family paying outrageous tax for years and years and years, it's not right that the NHS funding is so piss poor!) being in the EU was not working, so maybe, it was time to try something different. If it doesn't work and this all goes tits up, at least we tried, and i'm proud that the majority of the country voted to try, despite it being such a risk.

The country hit recession like every other country did across the globe, and we would have been no less affected out of the EU.

The fact that the NHS is crumbling has nothing to do with the EU and everything to do with the fact that the Tories are systematically sabotaging it because they want to follow a US style insurance model which will now be easier for them to follow. Your family will pay no less tax, but now you will also have to pay for your own surgery on top of that. Well done.

This isn't really a "let's try something different :hmm: " situation... But these little insights into people's thinking are very enlightening at least. Horrifying, but enlightening.

[Dollface]

The country hit recession like every other country did across the globe, and we would have been no less affected out of the EU.

The fact that the NHS is crumbling has nothing to do with the EU and everything to do with the fact that the Tories are systematically sabotaging it because they want to follow a US style insurance model which will now be easier for them to follow. Your family will pay no less tax, but now you will also have to pay for your own surgery on top of that. Well done.

This isn't really a "let's try something different :hmm: " situation... But these little insights into people's thinking are very enlightening at least. Horrifying, but enlightening.

Well, now that we aren't giving millions of pounds to other countries, maybe we can focus on the NHS. Like I said though, we can only wait and see how things will pan out.
That's exactly why I explained my reasons for supporting leave, to enlighten some people. Horrifying you is just an added bonus :hee:

[Cherie]

Just think we might be able to save our cod stocks now! Might be cod down the chippy again.


Great, the chippy might have gone out of business though

[user104658]

Well, now that we aren't giving millions of pounds to other countries, maybe we can focus on the NHS. Like I said though, we can only wait and see how things will pan out.

The amount we'll be "better off" is probably hugely exaggerated for one... But then, even if we were several-million-a-week better off, they simply wouldn't give it to the NHS. The NHS is being systematically demolished, deliberately, and will continue regardless (has nothing at all to do with the EU vote, or lack of funds, would be the same either way).


Horrifying you is just an added bonus :hee:

:joker: whatever butters your muffin, I suppose!

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Lol at EU telling Britain to go on and get out quick then cause they don't want our dead weight to drag this on any longer so they can sort themselves out. The disconnect and loneliness begins.

[Kazanne]

They are wriggling out of promises already
http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/3-brexit-promises-campaigners-had-wriggled-out-of-before-breakfast-on-eu-referendum-results-day/ar-AAhA39F?li=AAhzr5D

[letmein]

Well, now that we aren't giving millions of pounds to other countries, maybe we can focus on the NHS. Like I said though, we can only wait and see how things will pan out.
That's exactly why I explained my reasons for supporting leave, to enlighten some people. Horrifying you is just an added bonus :hee:

The NHS isn't getting anything. They already conceded that today. It was a lie.

[empire]

peter hitchens said something today, labour and the tory's are both corpses and are dead today, and he is right, nobody in their rightmind, would want to vote for parties that are so out of touch, and also have a very europhillia abjective to the voters, both parties are finished, traditional labour voters have come back to haunt labour, for who they abandoned so long ago, loyal tory voters have given dodgy dave a kicking, for he was trying to take them for granted, are next objective is to get rid of the lib-lab-con elite who are in westminster, for years they have sold this country, and its the ordinary who get nothing out of it,

[Johnnyuk123]

They are wriggling out of promises already
http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/3-brexit-promises-campaigners-had-wriggled-out-of-before-breakfast-on-eu-referendum-results-day/ar-AAhA39F?li=AAhzr5D

If we are talking about liars then David Cameron did make a promise to the UK before the result came in that he would remain PM regardless of the outcome, the result came in and then he resigned. That clearly makes him a liar. We are also still waiting for Osborn to give us this emergency budget we now need because the world is about to end because we voted to leave the EU or was that too just another scaremonger story/lie?

[jaxie]

Lol at EU telling Britain to go on and get out quick then cause they don't want our dead weight to drag this on any longer so they can sort themselves out. The disconnect and loneliness begins.

Actually the truth is closer to get out quick before half the other countries follow you.

Germany are already drawing up papers to offer us some sort of special partner status so they don't lose out on their exports.

[Mystic Mock]

I'm aware it's not Big Brother. I feel you're suggesting i'm stupid by that statement and I assure you i'm not stupid, I know enough about Boris to think he's not a bad guy, but I don't know enough about him to know whether or not he's PM worthy. You don't know how this will effect you financially, no-one knows how this will effect people/the country. All we can do is wait and see. No-one needs to redeem themselves yet.

I'm not saying that you're stupid, I'm just saying don't be naive, there is a difference between the two.

And trust me when the prices shoot through the roof just to get food and drink I will not be able to afford it in the slightest, trust me I know this as a fact unless I can sort myself out quickly which I highly doubt that will happen when me and my Brother are the only intelligent people in this family.

[jaxie]

I'm not saying that you're stupid, I'm just saying don't be naive, there is a difference between the two.

And trust me when the prices shoot through the roof just to get food and drink I will not be able to afford it in the slightest, trust me I know this as a fact unless I can sort myself out quickly which I highly doubt that will happen when me and my Brother are the only intelligent people in this family.

We voted to leave the EU, it's not the zombie apocalypse. :shrug:

[Mystic Mock]

This is how I see it... The country was almost at rock bottom (i've just been refused surgery on the NHS, surgery that I need, despite my family paying outrageous tax for years and years and years, it's not right that the NHS funding is so piss poor!) being in the EU was not working, so maybe, it was time to try something different. If it doesn't work and this all goes tits up, at least we tried, and i'm proud that the majority of the country voted to try, despite it being such a risk.

The EU isn't involved with the NHS, they're about the Economy.

It's up to the UK Government at that given time if they want to spend money on the NHS and sadly they don't want to as they're cold hearted bastards that will blame anybody else but themselves, first it was the Lib Dems holding them back, now it's the EU, what is next?

I'm sorry about the NHS refusing to give you surgery btw, they're really understaffed and not very well run, and I've still never forgiven them for what they did to my Grandad when I was only 6 years old, but it's really not the EU's fault for the NHS.

[Mystic Mock]

I thought all the fecking scaremongering and misinformation would stop once the Referendum was over, but it's getting worse. :shrug:

It's because it's not scaremongering and is actually the truth.:eek:

We're actually living in the real world not la la land.

The EU wasn't perfect, but we had a good lifestyle for the most part and it's been chucked away by the older generations who have made the younger generations have to wait years before getting back into the EU, if they ever let us.

[Mystic Mock]

We voted to leave the EU, it's not the zombie apocalypse. :shrug:

I never said it was, just think of me as a more intelligent "Scrounger" off those Ch5 Documentaries for awhile.

[Marsh.]

More "older generations" claptrap.

Shall we stop the terminally ill and disabled from voting too? They won't make it another 30 or 40 years. :idc:

[Livia]

It's because it's not scaremongering and is actually the truth.:eek:

We're actually living in the real world not la la land.

The EU wasn't perfect, but we had a good lifestyle for the most part and it's been chucked away by the older generations who have made the younger generations have to wait years before getting back into the EU, if they ever let us.

If you feel so strongly you should have voted. That's the bottom line. You're wasting your time moaning about it now. And frankly, some of the stuff you're saying makes it clear you haven't even got your head around the facts that are available.

[Mystic Mock]

More "older generations" claptrap.

Shall we stop the terminally ill and disabled from voting too? They won't make it another 30 or 40 years. :idc:

It's been proven that over 75% of the younger generations voted to Remain, considering younger people are the future, and are a large population of this country, I do think that the parents and Grandparents should be voting with their children/grandchildren's wishes in mind, especially as the Economy is more important than anything else for a country to survive.

And I'd never ban anyone from voting, it's just that I don't agree with sending this country back to the 60's.

[Glenn.]

I love that Mock is STILL bleating on when he never voted

[Mystic Mock]

If you feel so strongly you should have voted. That's the bottom line. You're wasting your time moaning about it now. And frankly, some of the stuff you're saying makes it clear you haven't even got your head around the facts that are available.

No I can still complain and will complain that other people can't vote properly.

The only people that can't complain about the result are the Leavers when they realise that it's not all that it's cracked up to be leaving the EU, as after all you voted out.

And what's this suppose to mean? All I've been stating is facts, not some fantasy bull**** of the NHS will be cured, Immigration will stop, and we'll still be needed by the rest of Europe, so who hasn't got their heads around the FACTS!?

Seriously so rude considering I'm only trying to warn people and instead they think that their fantasy will be reality, hopefully one day you'll become apologetic for this mistake as it is a mistake.

[Marsh.]

Hang on, Mock is completely ripping people to shreds for voting the opposite to what he wanted but he didn't vote at all?

Where was your passion for yours and your family's situation then? (Assuming you're of age to vote).

[Mystic Mock]

I love that Mock is STILL bleating on when he never voted

Because people that never voted CAN have an opinion.

Just like you'll have one post-EU despite voting out which would make you not be able to complain about your dislike of post-EU.

[Livia]

I love that Mock is STILL bleating on when he never voted

We have a Yiddish word for it: chutzpah.

[Mystic Mock]

Hang on, Mock is completely ripping people to shreds for voting the opposite to what he wanted but he didn't vote at all?

Where was your passion for yours and your family's situation then? (Assuming you're of age to vote).

Trying to make sure we're not out on the streets everyday.

Tbh I shouldn't have to spell it out for people that they should be looking after their vulnerable, and themselves if they're also in that situation.

Yes I should've voted, but I still have a right to an opinion, this backward thinking on here of "if you don't vote you can't complain" is simply wrong.

The only people that can't complain about this are the people that voted out, everybody else can complain and nobody can moan about it from the out campaign.

But yes everyone should be putting finances before some of the stuff being mentioned, especially something that has nothing to do with the EU like the NHS.

[Livia]

Yes I should've voted, but I still have a right to an opinion, this backward thinking on here of "if you don't vote you can't complain" is simply wrong.


No, it's completely right.

[Marsh.]

Trying to make sure we're not out on the streets everyday.

Tbh I shouldn't have to spell it out for people that they should be looking after their vulnerable, and themselves if they're also in that situation.

Yes I should've voted, but I still have a right to an opinion, this backward thinking on here of "if you don't vote you can't complain" is simply wrong.

The only people that can't complain about this are the people that voted out, everybody else can complain and nobody can moan about it from the out campaign.

But yes everyone should be putting finances before some of the stuff being mentioned, especially something that has nothing to do with the EU like the NHS.

Of course you have a right to an opinion, I never said otherwise.

But if you're THIS passionate about it and you're THAT opposed to leaving the EU I would've thought voting would've been of a top priority for you.

[Alf]

peter hitchens said something today, labour and the tory's are both corpses and are dead today, and he is right, nobody in their rightmind, would want to vote for parties that are so out of touch, and also have a very europhillia abjective to the voters, both parties are finished, traditional labour voters have come back to haunt labour, for who they abandoned so long ago, loyal tory voters have given dodgy dave a kicking, for he was trying to take them for granted, are next objective is to get rid of the lib-lab-con elite who are in westminster, for years they have sold this country, and its the ordinary who get nothing out of it,
Here it is

He's right when he say's they should all resign.


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[Johnnyuk123]

I am now on my third beer to celebrate Nigel's Independence Day and I'm Loving it!:dance::dance::dance:

[Johnnyuk123]

I have a selection of songs on repeat to sing along too.

EU don't have to say you love me.
Only EU.
EU take my breath way.
If i can't have EU.
Do EU really want to hurt me.

[Cherie]

I am now on my third beer to celebrate Nigel's Independence Day and I'm Loving it!:dance::dance::dance:


Enjoy Johnny!

[Johnnyuk123]

It's because it's not scaremongering and is actually the truth.:eek:

We're actually living in the real world not la la land.

The EU wasn't perfect, but we had a good lifestyle for the most part and it's been chucked away by the older generations who have made the younger generations have to wait years before getting back into the EU, if they ever let us.

I for one do not think that the UK fishing industry would agree with you on that.

[Johnnyuk123]

Enjoy Johnny!

Cherie i don't usually drink but i am almost on my 4th can.:joker:

[Vanessa]

:facepalm: i think it's a mistake, but hopefully things will be fine.

[Johnnyuk123]

I want to stand up and dance but i'm afraid if i do i will fall on my arse.

[Jay28jay2]

Actually fuming, my future has been determined. Should have let the younger ones vote only, the older should not have got to vote because they won't be alive by the time it affects us

[Marsh.]

Actually fuming, my future has been determined. Should have let the younger ones vote only, the older should not have got to vote because they won't be alive by the time it affects us

:facepalm:

Let's ban all the terminally ill and disabled too. They won't live long enough. :idc:

[Denver]

Adam please stop talking it's embarrassing reading your posts

your a nasty vile bully who cant handle losing

[ThriceShy]

Actually fuming, my future has been determined. Should have let the younger ones vote only, the older should not have got to vote because they won't be alive by the time it affects us

Their children will.