EU Referendum – 23 June – The Result Discussion (UK Votes To Leave)

[Denver]

i cant believe how many members have personally attacked me in this thread and have got away scott free had it been me certain mods would have my head

[user104658]

i cant believe how many members have personally attacked me in this thread and have got away scott free had it been me certain mods would have my head

Pretty sure you just answered your own question there (if it was a question).

[joeysteele]

No I can still complain and will complain that other people can't vote properly.

The only people that can't complain about the result are the Leavers when they realise that it's not all that it's cracked up to be leaving the EU, as after all you voted out.

And what's this suppose to mean? All I've been stating is facts, not some fantasy bull**** of the NHS will be cured, Immigration will stop, and we'll still be needed by the rest of Europe, so who hasn't got their heads around the FACTS!?

Seriously so rude considering I'm only trying to warn people and instead they think that their fantasy will be reality, hopefully one day you'll become apologetic for this mistake as it is a mistake.

Take no notice Mock.

I understand why it was you didn't vote.
I know many others who wish they had and then there are others I am glad they didn't because they were going to vote to 'leave'.

You have every right to moan even if you did not vote this time for your personal reasons.
Honestly people can be so insensitive.

I agree,I think this is one of the biggest mistakes the electorate has made, I accept it obviously but it comes after the most pathetic,ill informed, nasty and misleading campaign likely ever held in the UK.

Time will tell but I doubt very much that England,Wales and Northern Ireland will in fact do as well as they were doing in the EU, and even after we officially leave the EU, they will be likely playing catch up for ages afterwards.
I say those 3 Nations because I d think there is more than a strong chance now that Scotland will split from the UK.

[Northern Monkey]

BBC News predicting possible FREXIT and SWEXIT

[ThriceShy]

BBC News predicting possible FREXIT and SWEXIT

The whole EU is crumbling!!!!!!:cheer2:

[AnnieK]

I've sat in a packed pub tonight as the only in in a wave of outs. I've said my piece, they've said theirs and there was none of the bitterness and bile that there is in this thread....I understand their reasonings and they mine....yes there tried to assure me of this and that...but at the end of the day it's happened .....I truly believe we have to unite and get on with it....

[Northern Monkey]

I've sat in a packed pub tonight as the only in in a wave of outs. I've said my piece, they've said theirs and there was none of the bitterness and bile that there is in this thread....I understand their reasonings and they mine....yes there tried to assure me of this and that...but at the end of the day it's happened .....I truly believe we have to unite and get on with it....

I think when typing rather than discussing it in person it can be hard to debate with differing opinions and not sound like you're angry at each other so it turns into more arguing than debating.I know loads of remain people irl and this issue does'nt divide us at all.Infact we can just chat about it and have a laugh.

[AnnieK]

I think when typing rather than discussing it in person it can be hard to debate with differing opinions and not sound like you're angry at each other so it turns into more arguing than debating.I know loads of remain people irl and this issue does'nt divide us at all.Infact we can just chat about it and have a laugh.
So true :love:

[Glenn.]

I've sat in a packed pub tonight as the only in in a wave of outs. I've said my piece, they've said theirs and there was none of the bitterness and bile that there is in this thread....I understand their reasonings and they mine....yes there tried to assure me of this and that...but at the end of the day it's happened .....I truly believe we have to unite and get on with it....

Well said Annie :clap1:

[Black Dagger]

I've sat in a packed pub tonight as the only in in a wave of outs. I've said my piece, they've said theirs and there was none of the bitterness and bile that there is in this thread....I understand their reasonings and they mine....yes there tried to assure me of this and that...but at the end of the day it's happened .....I truly believe we have to unite and get on with it....

Can I not be bitter and angry for another day at least. I might come to terms with it then :fist:

[kirklancaster]

I have a selection of songs on repeat to sing along too.

EU don't have to say you love me.
Only EU.
EU take my breath way.
If i can't have EU.
Do EU really want to hurt me.

:joker::joker::joker::joker::joker::joker::joker:: joker::joker::joker::joker::joker:

AND HERE'S ONE THAT ANY MISTY-EYED REMAIN SUPPORTERS CAN SING AT ANNUAL WAKES HELD EVERY 23RD JUNE:

Frank Ifield and "I Remenber EU":

rgm0KNICGcU:

[kirklancaster]

I've sat in a packed pub tonight as the only in in a wave of outs. I've said my piece, they've said theirs and there was none of the bitterness and bile that there is in this thread....I understand their reasonings and they mine....yes there tried to assure me of this and that...but at the end of the day it's happened .....I truly believe we have to unite and get on with it....

:clap1::clap1::clap1: In a nutshell Annie. :flowers::kiss:

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

Its a Full House
Historic Saturday.

On Ch5HD News a "Leave Voter"
relished in this.
The Reporter said are you enjoying giving
them a bloodied nose.
that Leave Voter smiled and said "Yes"


Spiffing

[arista]

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[Johnnyuk123]

BBC News predicting possible FREXIT and SWEXIT

Good for France and Sweden i say! :cheer2:
Apparently from some of the posts in here the UK is doomed.:joker:
Talk about sour grapes.

[Johnnyuk123]

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:joker::joker::joker:
That's brilliant!
Morning arista.:wavey:

[Ammi]

Good for France and Sweden i say! :cheer2:
Apparently from some of the posts in here the UK is doomed.:joker:
Talk about sour grapes.

..it's not about sour grapes though Johnny..it's about a representation that although the vote was Brexit, it was only just Brexit so a nation very much divided/half a nation...and how can that work moving forward unless that divide can be healed first because at the moment, we're not strong and we're not 'Great' as in Great Britian, we're squabbling, which makes us weak Britain...which will leave no 'victory' for any one of us...all of us, no matter how we voted...

[arista]

:joker::joker::joker:
That's brilliant!
Morning arista.:wavey:



Yes another Colleague of mine had it
Its worth Printing
and putting on a Office Wall.

Feel The Force

[arista]

Good for France and Sweden i say! :cheer2:
Apparently from some of the posts in here the UK is doomed.:joker:
Talk about sour grapes.


Yes France needs to be free
from Fecking Germany

[arista]

..it's not about sour grapes though Johnny..it's about a representation that although the vote was Brexit, it was only just Brexit so a nation very much divided/half a nation...and how can that work moving forward unless that divide can be healed first because at the moment, we're not strong and we're not 'Great' as in Great Britian, we're squabbling, which makes us weak Britain...which will leave no 'victory' for any one of us...all of us, no matter how we voted...


Yes the so called Divide
Democracy is Bliss

[Johnnyuk123]

:joker::joker::joker::joker::joker::joker::joker:: joker::joker::joker::joker::joker:

AND HERE'S ONE THAT ANY MISTY-EYED REMAIN SUPPORTERS CAN SING AT ANNUAL WAKES HELD EVERY 23RD JUNE:

Frank Ifield and "I Remenber EU":

rgm0KNICGcU:

:joker::joker::joker::joker::joker:

[Ammi]

..it's not bliss at all Arista...whichever had got the slightly more votes ..Remain or Brexit, it's the least possible bliss it could be to have such a close vote...

[Johnnyuk123]

..it's not bliss at all Arista...whichever had got the slightly more votes ..Remain or Brexit, it's the least possible bliss it could be to have such a close vote...

Regardless of how the vote went Ammi both sides knew it was going to be close and both knew one side would not be happy with the result. The only problem i can see in here is with the remainers inability to accept a democratic vote. :wavey:

[arista]

..it's not bliss at all Arista...whichever had got the slightly more votes ..Remain or Brexit, it's the least possible bliss it could be to have such a close vote...


Not that Close


Well over a Million more Wise Voters
voted to Leave the EU


And there is not going to be another one
The PM told everyone this is it
no chance of return.


I thank Him for being honest on that.


No General Election


a new PM in 3 months

[Ammi]

Regardless of how the vote went Ammi both sides knew it was going to be close and both knew one side would not be happy with the result. The only problem i can see in here is with the remainers inability to accept a democratic vote. :wavey:

...it really doesn't matter though Johnny, whether it was always going to be close...it still leaves a divided problem of a divided country and that problem is equal for everyone..yes, I do think that the vote has to be accepted by all but it also has to be respected by all..so the Brexiters also realising and respecting that this was never about a 'win'..because they won't lose any less than anyone else if this decision doesn't work for the country...and good morning..:love:..

[Ammi]

Not that Close


Well over a Million more Wise Voters
voted to Leave the EU


And there is not going to be another one
The PM told everyone this is it
no chance of return.


I thank Him for being honest on that.


No General Election


a new PM in 3 months


..I hope the vote and voters were most wise, Arista because we're all fairly stuffed if not...time will tell though, don't give me most wise on day one...because that's just the dumbest, my dear...

[arista]

..I hope the vote and voters were most wise, Arista because we're all fairly stuffed if not...time will tell though, don't give me most wise on day one...because that's just the dumbest, my dear...



Yes as a teacher
it will effect you
so you are bitter.

[Ammi]

Yes as a teacher
it will effect you
so you are bitter.

...don't tell me I'm bitter, Arista or I'll lock you in your bunker without any tinned goods...why would it effect me any more than any other person in the country, then..?....

[arista]

...don't tell me I'm bitter, Arista or I'll lock you in your bunker without any tinned goods...why would it effect me any more than any other person in the country, then..?....



http://schoolsweek.co.uk/brexit-education-sector-reacts-to-referendum-vote-to-leave-the-eu/

[user104658]

Was the phrase "sour grapes" in some sort of Brexit voter's pamphlet or something? "Things to say in the event of a leave result".

I'm more sick of hearing that phrase than I am about the result at this point. It's smug, unimaginative and ****ing boring. Cut it out.

[Ammi]

http://schoolsweek.co.uk/brexit-education-sector-reacts-to-referendum-vote-to-leave-the-eu/

"The status of a new national funding formula is uncertain, for example, and schools could face cuts if we experience the threatened austerity budget. School leaders will seek reassurances from government at this time of great instability.”


...well tbf Arista, those cuts were already there and were already very severe and already leaving schools struggling.. which has nothing to do with Brexit at all...

[arista]

"The status of a new national funding formula is uncertain, for example, and schools could face cuts if we experience the threatened austerity budget. School leaders will seek reassurances from government at this time of great instability.”


...well tbf Arista, those cuts were already there and were already very severe and already leaving schools struggling.. which has nothing to do with Brexit at all...


OK but as Hard as it is Now
it will get harder.


But thats good for Children
to learn hard work will pay off.

[Ammi]

OK but as Hard as it is Now
it will get harder.


But thats good for Children
to learn hard work will pay off.


..yeah, let them learn without teachers or resources in the classrooms to help them, the little buggers have it far too easy I think...it really has nothing to do with hard work or hard work paying off, Arista...if it's going to get harder as you say then a generation is going to be failed and there is no maybes or ifs about that and no 'win' for any one of us....

[Johnnyuk123]

...it really doesn't matter though Johnny, whether it was always going to be close...it still leaves a divided problem of a divided country and that problem is equal for everyone..yes, I do think that the vote has to be accepted by all but it also has to be respected by all..so the Brexiters also realising and respecting that this was never about a 'win'..because they won't lose any less than anyone else if this decision doesn't work for the country...and good morning..:love:..

Good morning Ammi :wavey:

I think if we give it time the remainers will eventually calm down.

[arista]

..yeah, let them learn without teachers or resources in the classrooms to help them, the little buggers have it far too easy I think...it really has nothing to do with hard work or hard work paying off, Arista...if it's going to get harder as you say then a generation is going to be failed and there is no maybes or ifs about that and no 'win' for any one of us....


In your Class
there is a Future MP
later on they can try Political Games.

Look for more Positives

[arista]

Good morning Ammi :wavey:

I think if we give it time the remainers will eventually calm down.



They better

[Johnnyuk123]

They better

If they are gonna be angry it should be with Cameron and Osborn for their scare tactics and the wasteful 9 million of tax payers cash on that leaflet.:nono:

[Ammi]

Good morning Ammi :wavey:

I think if we give it time the remainers will eventually calm down.

..and also the Brexiters respecting the feelings of almost half of the country as well, Johnny...:wink:...a two way thing, eh....because I don't think that there is any doubt that we're all together in wanting and needing this to work out for the country...anyways, Paris is still always a good idea...

[AnnieK]

..and also the Brexiters respecting the feelings of almost half of the country as well, Johnny...:wink:...a two way thing, eh....because I don't think that there is any doubt that we're all together in wanting and needing this to work out for the country...anyways, Paris is still always a good idea...

Can I come with you Ammi? :love:

[Ammi]

Can I come with you Ammi? :love:

...you're always with me, Annie...you are Paris..:love:...

[Kazanne]

Regardless of how the vote went Ammi both sides knew it was going to be close and both knew one side would not be happy with the result. The only problem i can see in here is with the remainers inability to accept a democratic vote. :wavey:

I accept the voting results but the gloating and taking the piss is quite pathetic,people need to grow up.

[Kazanne]

This is the logic of some voters,a woman asked on Sky News why she voted out "We are British,we just want us" lol wtf.

[Cherie]

..it's not about sour grapes though Johnny..it's about a representation that although the vote was Brexit, it was only just Brexit so a nation very much divided/half a nation...and how can that work moving forward unless that divide can be healed first because at the moment, we're not strong and we're not 'Great' as in Great Britian, we're squabbling, which makes us weak Britain...which will leave no 'victory' for any one of us...all of us, no matter how we voted...

Great post Ammi

[user104658]

...you're always with me, Annie...you are Paris..:love:...
Awwwwwwh... This is like one of those wartime love stories... Where there are battles and bombs in the background but the REAL story is the love that shines through even in the darkest of times. Magical, *sniff sniff*

[user104658]

I accept the voting results but the gloating and taking the piss is quite pathetic,people need to grow up.
This I agree with Kazanne (how unusual! Haha...) the response has been awful. Lots of jeering, sneering and clapping at people, most of whom are just genuinely worried about their future and their family's futures. Very few people who believe in Brexit bothering to take the time to reassure those who are worried that it will be OK? Or explain why they believe those fears aren't realistic? It makes me wonder, do they actually believe that it WILL be OK, or even care? Far far too much "we won we won lololol you lose losers!" as if it's all done and dusted now, nowhere near enough people saying "OK listen guys, here's how it's going to be better for all of us".


In my case specifically, I have a disabled daughter. Her future is uncertain at the absolute best of times, and it's terrifying. When things like this go on and create even more instability the anxiety it causes is very real, because I just simply do not trust the government we have in this country - now that it will be unrestrained - not to simply throw her / us on the trash heap. I don't trust this result not to generate the sort of economic instability that will make it impossible for us to build our own nestegg to protect her.

I can appreciate that when I was in my early 20's and had no responsibilities, I might have found this result / taking a risk at the unknown exciting even. I don't have that luxury anymore.

[Kazanne]

This I agree with Kazanne (how unusual! Haha...) the response has been awful. Lots of jeering, sneering and clapping at people, most of whom are just genuinely worried about their future and their family's futures. Very few people who believe in Brexit bothering to take the time to reassure those who are worried that it will be OK? Or explain why they believe those fears aren't realistic? It makes me wonder, do they actually believe that it WILL be OK, or even care? Far far too much "we won we won lololol you lose losers!" as if it's all done and dusted now, nowhere near enough people saying "OK listen guys, here's how it's going to be better for all of us".


In my case specifically, I have a disabled daughter. Her future is uncertain at the absolute best of times, and it's terrifying. When things like this go on and create even more instability the anxiety it causes is very real, because I just simply do not trust the government we have in this country - now that it will be unrestrained - not to simply throw her / us on the trash heap. I don't trust this result not to generate the sort of economic instability that will make it impossible for us to build our own nestegg to protect her.

I can appreciate that when I was in my early 20's and had no responsibilities, I might have found this result / taking a risk at the unknown exciting even. I don't have that luxury anymore.

Is this a first TS ?:hee: I also was thinking of my children when I voted,their future is what matters to me, some people seem to be so flippant ,when really the way we handle this is important for the future of Great Britain,good luck to you and your daughter btw.:wavey:

[Livia]

I haven't seen much gloating personally, although I have seen some. What I've seen quite a lot of is moaning from people who didn't get the vote they were expecting and a lot of insults toward the people who voted Out.... xenophobe, it's the older generation screwing the younger generation because all elderly people are racist, the suggestion that only those who voted to remain had really thought about it... The childishness on both sides needs to stop if anything is ever going to be discussed in an adult way. The decision has been made and now it's up to all of us to make it work, whether that's the way you voted or not.

[user104658]

Is this a first TS ?:hee:

I think so. :omgno: not Tibb politics changing too!

I also was thinking of my children when I voted,their future is what matters to me, some people seem to be so flippant ,when really the way we handle this is important for the future of Great Britain,good luck to you and your daughter btw.:wavey:


Well, my wife is back at University now and when she qualifies, emigration should hopefully be a realistic option as a worst case scenario! We'll just bail :joker:

[Jack_]

This I agree with Kazanne (how unusual! Haha...) the response has been awful. Lots of jeering, sneering and clapping at people, most of whom are just genuinely worried about their future and their family's futures. Very few people who believe in Brexit bothering to take the time to reassure those who are worried that it will be OK? Or explain why they believe those fears aren't realistic? It makes me wonder, do they actually believe that it WILL be OK, or even care? Far far too much "we won we won lololol you lose losers!" as if it's all done and dusted now, nowhere near enough people saying "OK listen guys, here's how it's going to be better for all of us".


In my case specifically, I have a disabled daughter. Her future is uncertain at the absolute best of times, and it's terrifying. When things like this go on and create even more instability the anxiety it causes is very real, because I just simply do not trust the government we have in this country - now that it will be unrestrained - not to simply throw her / us on the trash heap. I don't trust this result not to generate the sort of economic instability that will make it impossible for us to build our own nestegg to protect her.

I can appreciate that when I was in my early 20's and had no responsibilities, I might have found this result / taking a risk at the unknown exciting even. I don't have that luxury anymore.

I agree. There hasn't been a single person address mine or anyone else's concerns, try to reassure me that this and that won't happen and that everything will be okay, it has just been endless gloating about how it's 'independence day' and 'we've got our country back!' which if anything is just terrifying isolationism that I have no interest in being a part of.

I'm really sick of hearing about 'sour grapes' and being 'bitter'. Of course I'm ****ing bitter, as far as I am concerned my future has been ****ed and the things I care about the most are now at risk of being trashed forever by a hardline Tory right waiting in the wings of power, who will have absolutely no restraint on what they can do to the public services and rights of people in this country.

None of this has been addressed, either before the vote or after it. And it ****ing sucks.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I agree. There hasn't been a single person address mine or anyone else's concerns, try to reassure me that this and that won't happen and that everything will be okay, it has just been endless gloating about how it's 'independence day' and 'we've got our country back!' which if anything is just terrifying isolationism that I have no interest in being a part of.

I'm really sick of hearing about 'sour grapes' and being 'bitter'. Of course I'm ****ing bitter, as far as I am concerned my future has been ****ed and the things I care about the most are now at risk of being trashed forever by a hardline Tory right waiting in the wings of power, who will have absolutely no restraint on what they can do to the public services and rights of people in this country.

None of this has been addressed, either before the vote or after it. And it ****ing sucks.

"try to reassure me that this and that won't happen and that everything will be okay,"


:hug:


:laugh2:


I thought by day 2 the bitterness would have subsided somewhat?


Dont forget Jack you are still a EU citizen and will be for the next 2 years

there - do you feel better?

[joeysteele]

I agree. There hasn't been a single person address mine or anyone else's concerns, try to reassure me that this and that won't happen and that everything will be okay, it has just been endless gloating about how it's 'independence day' and 'we've got our country back!' which if anything is just terrifying isolationism that I have no interest in being a part of.

I'm really sick of hearing about 'sour grapes' and being 'bitter'. Of course I'm ****ing bitter, as far as I am concerned my future has been ****ed and the things I care about the most are now at risk of being trashed forever by a hardline Tory right waiting in the wings of power, who will have absolutely no restraint on what they can do to the public services and rights of people in this country.

None of this has been addressed, either before the vote or after it. And it ****ing sucks.

It does for sure Jack_.

[Jack_]

"try to reassure me that this and that won't happen and that everything will be okay,"


:hug:


:laugh2:


I thought by day 2 the bitterness would have subsided somewhat?


Dont forget Jack you are still a EU citizen and will be for the next 2 years

there - do you feel better?

See, more gloating. This only confirms to me that the people who voted leave haven't a clue about what the consequences of their decision will be, they haven't considered half of the outcomes and have voted merely on a pack of lies and buzzwords about how we'll 'take our country back'. That really fills me with confidence.

I'm aware we'll still be a part of the EU for the considerable future, but the issues don't change. The negotiations for our exit will not just be led by a party whose priorities I already fear don't align with mine, but by a leader of a party who will inevitably be even worse than the one that's just resigned. None of the issues I care and am worried about are likely to be on the table, it will be the same old **** that was recited ad nauseam throughout the campaign on both sides - trade, the economy and immigration. I don't give a **** about any of these things, I want reassurances about the public services and rights that are current protected and likely going to be at the bottom of the pile come the negotiations.

The timing of when we leave doesn't make these issues go away, perhaps if we had a different government I may have a different perspective on the whole thing but as it is we don't, and I am terrified at the prospect of what the next two, five, ten years will bring for this country. But no, you go back to your cheering about how 'we're free' and we've 'taken back control' or whatever meaningless phrases that apparently makes this result so great. Meanwhile the rest of us who've considered and care about the consequences this'll have on many people's lives will continue to be concerned about the direction the UK is about to take

[reece(:]

Jack :clap1::clap1::clap1:

[joeysteele]

See, more gloating. This only confirms to me that the people who voted leave haven't a clue about what the consequences of their decision will be, they haven't considered half of the outcomes and have voted merely on a pack of lies and buzzwords about how we'll 'take our country back'. That really fills me with confidence.

I'm aware we'll still be a part of the EU for the considerable future, but the issues don't change. The negotiations for our exit will not just be led by a party whose priorities I already fear don't align with mine, but by a leader of a party who will inevitably be even worse than the one that's just resigned. None of the issues I care and am worried about are likely to be on the table, it will be the same old **** that was recited ad nauseam throughout the campaign on both sides - trade, the economy and immigration. I don't give a **** about any of these things, I want reassurances about the public services and rights that are current protected and likely going to be at the bottom of the pile come the negotiations.

The timing of when we leave doesn't make these issues go away, perhaps if we had a different government I may have a different perspective on the whole thing but as it is we don't, and I am terrified at the prospect of what the next two, five, ten years will bring for this country. But no, you go back to your cheering about how 'we're free' and we've 'taken back control' or whatever meaningless phrases that apparently makes this result so great. Meanwhile the rest of us who've considered and care about the consequences this'll have on many people's lives will continue to be concerned about the direction the UK is about to take

All the parties in parliament should be part of the negotiations of any deal in my view.
In the end,it is in fact parliament who will have to approve any deal agreed with the EU,so for me,this should be a parliamentary across the board deal sought.

It should not be left just to the present govt and the new incoming PM, nor to just those on the leave side or indeed the remain side either.

[user104658]

That's the impression I'm getting a lot Jack. People aren't avoiding being reassuring because they want to... It's because they can't. They feel in their hearts that it will all be great but I've not seen one person even attempt to articulate why... Because they can't.

Unless you count all the old fellas in my place of work. "Coz we can get rid of all them extremists noo!"

:facepalm:

[AnnieK]

To be fair I spoke....actually physically spoke to some staunch Brexit supporters last night and was fully expecting some gloating etc being the only Remainer around the table...but I didn't get that. They actually told me why they think it will begetter and acknowledged that initially things will be difficult (for a far less time than I believe but they acknowledged it none the less). The main feeling around that table was of deciding our own fate through elected parliament rather than appointed EU officials, being able to negotiate better trade deals (and the odd immigration comment).

[Tom4784]

The leave campaign was just a protest vote and ,like all protest votes, it was based on pure idealism rather than anything realistic. Micheal Gove literally told people not to pay attention to financial experts and went as far as to call them nazis in order to discredit the truth, Nigel Farage lied through his teeth, none of the supposed benefits of leaving EU as stated by the leave campaign are actually true.

Leave is a pipedream that's going to turn into a living nightmare and we're all going to be forced to live it. We're simply going backwards out of spite.

[Ninastar]

I haven't seen much gloating personally, although I have seen some. What I've seen quite a lot of is moaning from people who didn't get the vote they were expecting and a lot of insults toward the people who voted Out.... xenophobe, it's the older generation screwing the younger generation because all elderly people are racist, the suggestion that only those who voted to remain had really thought about it... The childishness on both sides needs to stop if anything is ever going to be discussed in an adult way. The decision has been made and now it's up to all of us to make it work, whether that's the way you voted or not.

This.

I've seen people wishing the older generation death and suffering and I think its absolutely disgusting. These people fought to give us the right to vote, and there are some people out there all happy because "oh they'll be dead soon anyway!!"

Absolutely disgusting.

[Crimson Dynamo]

The leave campaign was just a protest vote and ,like all protest votes, it was based on pure idealism rather than anything realistic. Micheal Gove literally told people not to pay attention to financial experts and went as far as to call them nazis in order to discredit the truth, Nigel Farage lied through his teeth, none of the supposed benefits of leaving EU as stated by the leave campaign are actually true.

Leave is a pipedream that's going to turn into a living nightmare and we're all going to be forced to live it. We're simply going backwards out of spite.

"The leave campaign was just a protest vote"


Incorrect and arrogant

[Crimson Dynamo]

This.

I've seen people wishing the older generation death and suffering and I think its absolutely disgusting. These people fought to give us the right to vote, and there are some people out there all happy because "oh they'll be dead soon anyway!!"

Absolutely disgusting.

:clap1:


Most young people have no concept of the bs we were fed in 1975 to join - and what the common market actually was back then and the vile beast that it morphed into all these years later

[Tom4784]

Like I've said before, acting like the Remainers are evil because they're annoyed that fear won the vote is ridiculous. They are allowed just as much of an opinion as you are.

I'll say it again, if the Remainers having a negative opinion is so offensive to you then be glad Leave didn't lose. You think all those extreme right wing groups would have been all 'oh well, we lost nevermind :)' **** no. All you'll get from the Remainers is a bit of saltiness which they are entitled to, there would have been violence if Leave lost.

[Denver]

I dont know why people are desperate to be in the EU when it looks like its about to collapse with all its major countries wanting out

[Livia]

I spoke to a friend of mine this morning who works for the Tories. She tells me that there's been a surge in membership since the result, and since Cameron stepped down.

[Wizard.]

I spoke to a friend of mine this morning who works for the Tories. She tells me that there's been a surge in membership since the result, and since Cameron stepped down.

If I become a member will I be allowed to vote for the next Prime Minister? It's only £5 a month right?

[Livia]

If I become a member will I be allowed to vote for the next Prime Minister? It's only £5 a month right?

If you're under 23 it's £5, otherwise it's £25. To be a qualifying member you have to have been a member for three months before the leader election. So if you want to vote, you should join now.

[Tom4784]

I spoke to a friend of mine this morning who works for the Tories. She tells me that there's been a surge in membership since the result, and since Cameron stepped down.

Ironic (and terrifying) considering that he was probably the best out of a bad bunch.

The thought of Boris or Osbourne filling in until the next election fills me with dread.

[Livia]

Ironic (and terrifying) considering that he was probably the best out of a bad bunch.

The thought of Boris or Osbourne filling in until the next election fills me with dread.

I'm actually okay with Boris. Osborne though... scary.

What we need of course, is a brand new party with a brand new way to govern. If only...

[Jack_]

All the parties in parliament should be part of the negotiations of any deal in my view.
In the end,it is in fact parliament who will have to approve any deal agreed with the EU,so for me,this should be a parliamentary across the board deal sought.

It should not be left just to the present govt and the new incoming PM, nor to just those on the leave side or indeed the remain side either.

I agree, and I hope that is the case. A negotiation led by a Tory PM even worse than the one we have now is not something I wish to envisage.

This.

I've seen people wishing the older generation death and suffering and I think its absolutely disgusting. These people fought to give us the right to vote, and there are some people out there all happy because "oh they'll be dead soon anyway!!"

Absolutely disgusting.

Most of the criticism is being directed at those aged 60+, you have to be pushing 80 to be a part of the people who fought for suffrage.

I'm not denying anyone the right to vote, it is what it is and everyone is entitled to their opinion. Do I think the futures of those who are likely to be around to experience the consequences are more important though? Yes, but again that doesn't mean those who won't be shouldn't be entitled to vote.

There's nothing disgusting about thinking like that, I don't wish anyone dead, but acknowledging that this (like many other societal issues) is a generational thing that'll change over time and those who long for progression only have to wait is perfectly fine.

Someone I know from uni put it well on Facebook yesterday, even if this isn't the result that a majority of 18-25 year olds wanted, we should take solace in the fact than an overwhelming number of us voted for inclusion, solidarity and for the protection of a number of rights that are under threat by the UK government. That's a positive thing, it shows that we are progressive and forward thinking and that in time, just like many other things we've been on the right side of history for, we will get what we hope for. It's just a matter of weathering the storm that's coming before we get there.

I spoke to a friend of mine this morning who works for the Tories. She tells me that there's been a surge in membership since the result, and since Cameron stepped down.

That isn't a good thing, it means there's more people frothing at the mouth about the thought of dismantling our public services and at last being able to eradicate the rights of working people without any restraint whatsoever.

[arista]

Ironic (and terrifying) considering that he was probably the best out of a bad bunch.

The thought of Boris or Osbourne filling in until the next election fills me with dread.


No he will go in Oct.

Dezzy see this as a New Movie Script

[arista]

"I'm not denying anyone the right to vote,"


But Young Jack
why do the Fecking Young folks
not Get out of bed and Fecking Vote


Feel The Force

[Suze]

I'm actually okay with Boris. Osborne though... scary.

What we need of course, is a brand new party with a brand new way to govern. If only...

Livia, I need to say all your posts are so on the ball for me re all this, I feel I don't need to debate any points as yourself and Kirky both, especially, are doing that splendidly imho. All I can add is everyone is entitled to vote whichever way and for whatever reasons they want whether some agree or not. We are out the EU and the acceptance of that needs to come, and I absolutely believe it's for the best, although as with most things only time will tell, but I feel confident we got the right result.

[Cherie]

To be fair I spoke....actually physically spoke to some staunch Brexit supporters last night and was fully expecting some gloating etc being the only Remainer around the table...but I didn't get that. They actually told me why they think it will begetter and acknowledged that initially things will be difficult (for a far less time than I believe but they acknowledged it none the less). The main feeling around that table was of deciding our own fate through elected parliament rather than appointed EU officials, being able to negotiate better trade deals (and the odd immigration comment).

Is that an English born to English born person debate Annie? Because it doesn't feel very nice being a non English person in this country at the moment, I've never felt this way in all the years I have lived here in all honesty

[Tom4784]

I'm actually okay with Boris. Osborne though... scary.

What we need of course, is a brand new party with a brand new way to govern. If only...

Boris is like Mr. Bean, someone great for a laugh but I don't want him in power.

I'm just hoping that people remember what the Tories tried to do to Tax Credits and ESA when it comes to the next election.

[arista]

Boris is like Mr. Bean, someone great for a laugh but I don't want him in power.

I'm just hoping that people remember what the Tories tried to do to Tax Credits and ESA when it comes to the next election.



Yes we need a Lady with Spunk

[Northern Monkey]

I think in the next few years we will see a good few referenda throughout Europe and a good few countries taking back their sovereignty.A Europe of democratic nations who will all still work together for the common good but without the overbearing dictatorship breathing down their necks.There is alot of anti EU sentiment accross Europe and people want the chance to govern themselves again.
We just need to get a decent(or better) government in this country who will make the most of this opportunity we now have.

[arista]

I think in the next few years we will see a good few referenda throughout Europe and a good few countries taking back their sovereignty.A Europe of democratic nations who will all still work together for the common good but without the overbearing dictatorship breathing down their necks.There is alot of anti EU sentiment accross Europe and people want the chance to govern themselves again.
We just need to get a decent(or better) government in this country who will make the most of this opportunity we now have.



How Nice

[Black Dagger]

I spoke to a friend of mine this morning who works for the Tories. She tells me that there's been a surge in membership since the result, and since Cameron stepped down.

How worrying considering what the replacement is likely to be.

[Johnnyuk123]

See, more gloating. This only confirms to me that the people who voted leave haven't a clue about what the consequences of their decision will be, they haven't considered half of the outcomes and have voted merely on a pack of lies and buzzwords about how we'll 'take our country back'. That really fills me with confidence.

I'm aware we'll still be a part of the EU for the considerable future, but the issues don't change. The negotiations for our exit will not just be led by a party whose priorities I already fear don't align with mine, but by a leader of a party who will inevitably be even worse than the one that's just resigned. None of the issues I care and am worried about are likely to be on the table, it will be the same old **** that was recited ad nauseam throughout the campaign on both sides - trade, the economy and immigration. I don't give a **** about any of these things, I want reassurances about the public services and rights that are current protected and likely going to be at the bottom of the pile come the negotiations.

The timing of when we leave doesn't make these issues go away, perhaps if we had a different government I may have a different perspective on the whole thing but as it is we don't, and I am terrified at the prospect of what the next two, five, ten years will bring for this country. But no, you go back to your cheering about how 'we're free' and we've 'taken back control' or whatever meaningless phrases that apparently makes this result so great. Meanwhile the rest of us who've considered and care about the consequences this'll have on many people's lives will continue to be concerned about the direction the UK is about to take

So basically because the vote went the wrong way for you then all those who voted out are the only ones who don't care about the UK and didn't think it through properly?
I disagree.

[Jack_]

So basically because the vote went the wrong way for you then all those who voted out are the only ones who don't care about the UK and didn't think it through properly?
I disagree.

Correct, because I am, as I keep saying, as yet to see any reassurance from the Leave camp as to why this is a good decision, and how any of the fears that I have won't come to light. No one is addressing my or anyone else's concerns, just gloating about the result and how it's 'independence day', which as far as I'm concerned says it all.

If you had contextualised the comment you highlighted you'd know that, since I was responding to LeatherTrumpet who replied to a post concerned about the endless gloating with...you guessed it, more gloating. Fail to address the concerns of those who didn't want this result, and you will have people questioning whether those who voted for it truly thought it through. Reassure people and you may receive a different response. It's quite simple really.

[Johnnyuk123]

Correct, because I am, as I keep saying, as yet to see any reassurance from the Leave camp as to why this is a good decision, and how any of the fears that I have won't come to light. No one is addressing my or anyone else's concerns, just gloating about the result and how it's 'independence day', which as far as I'm concerned says it all.

If you had contextualised the comment you highlighted you'd know that, since I was responding to LeatherTrumpet who replied to a post concerned about the endless gloating with...you guessed it, more gloating. Fail to address the concerns of those who didn't want this result, and you will have people questioning whether those who voted for it truly thought it through. Reassure people and you may receive a different response. It's quite simple really.

Everyone got the chance to vote for what they wanted, the votes were counted and the result announced. What business is it of anyone how another person voted and for what reasons? That's down to the individual. They are also not accountable to me you or anyone for the choice they made
be it because of policy or simply because they didn't like Camerons choice of suit or Boris Johnsons haircut. That is their choice to make.

[arista]

Everyone got the chance to vote for what they wanted, the votes were counted and the result announced. What business is it of anyone how another person voted and for what reasons? That's down to the individual. They are also not accountable to me you or anyone for the choice they made
be it because of policy or simply because they didn't like Camerons choice of suit or Boris Johnsons haircut. That is their choice to make.


Yes I love the Sun Pull Out Map
give ages of all the Fecking Lazy Young
who DID not get out bed to vote.


Fecking Students

[Johnnyuk123]

Yes I love the Sun Pull Out Map
give ages of all the Fecking Lazy Young
who DID not get out bed to vote.


Fecking Students

I know a few students arista and one of them told me recently that their mates were voting to remain because their friends were voting remain. :shrug:

[user104658]

This.

I've seen people wishing the older generation death and suffering and I think its absolutely disgusting. These people fought to give us the right to vote, and there are some people out there all happy because "oh they'll be dead soon anyway!!"

Absolutely disgusting.
Bull**** there are hardly any WW2 vets left alive. The older generation these days is boomers who have never fought for anything more than their spot on the sofa.

[Northern Monkey]

I think alot of people seem to be sat perched waiting for some big event to happen.We're not going to see much.We will get a new PM and the government will trigger article 50 when they choose to as we are still an EU member until we decide to do that and then we start negotiating our divorce terms which will take two years.After that we sort out our trade deals however long that takes and carry on.EU countries are just as keen to keep trading with us as we are with them which will carry on all through the process.Scotland may have a referendum and if they're sensible which they proved they are last referendum then they will stay in the UK but that's up to them.Then we reap the benefits of being a free nation without having to bend over and take Juncker's stonker.We decide all our own laws etc etc etc.
We will more than likely see other EU countries having referenda and very possibly leaving the EU and taking their own sovereignty and the EU will need to take a long hard look at itself.
Maybe one day it collapses or remains as a small insignificant organisation.

[Denver]

Bull**** there are hardly any WW2 vets left alive. The older generation these days is boomers who have never fought for anything more than their spot on the sofa.

So because they are not WW2 veterans that gives youths the right to wish them dead?

[Denver]

I don't understand when people say old people shouldn't be allowed to vote when they was the ones who voted us in the EU so they should have a say if we leave

[user104658]

So because they are not WW2 veterans that gives youths the right to wish them dead?
My only aim was to point out that the "they fought for this country snarf snarf emotional blackmail engerlaaannndd" rhetoric has a sell by date and people are going to have to stop using it soon. The VAST majority of over-65's simply did not.

[arista]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07glx81#play


Dead Ringers
features The Donald
offering "Boret" Johnson
help to Build the Wall between
England And Scotland

http://media-2.web.britannica.com/eb-media/95/x19695-004-3FEBCE5D.jpg.pagespeed.ic.8-CzkVy4Sp.jpg

Dezzy & Jack
You need this On Now

[Jack_]

Everyone got the chance to vote for what they wanted, the votes were counted and the result announced. What business is it of anyone how another person voted and for what reasons? That's down to the individual. They are also not accountable to me you or anyone for the choice they made
be it because of policy or simply because they didn't like Camerons choice of suit or Boris Johnsons haircut. That is their choice to make.

Err...I think you're missing the point. People are asking why the remainers are so 'bitter', we are telling you it is because we are worried about what the future holds and that nobody who supported this result is giving anyone any reassurances as to why it's apparently going to be so amazing, hence why people are continuing to air their concerns.

Until someone addresses the issues people have, those who are worried about what this means for their future are going to speak up and rightly so. It's a cyclical thing. Don't moan about people complaining or ask why people are so 'bitter' if you aren't prepared to address the reason why they're bitter in the first place. Do so, and they may stop.

[Livia]

I don't understand when people say old people shouldn't be allowed to vote when they was the ones who voted us in the EU so they should have a say if we leave

What makes me smile is people's willingness to accepts stats and figures so long as it fits in with their own agenda. They've come to the conclusion that so many more young people voted remain... but they used the feedback from only 12000 voters when well over 30 million people voted.

The stat I would like to see is, how many young people eligible to vote, didn't bother... against how many older people eligible to vote, didn't bother.

And another thing... when does young become old? What's the cut-off point and who gets to decide it? Because there's a whole range of people between 21 and 70.

[Black Dagger]

I'm yet to actually see any comments from youths wishing old people would just drop dead already, but if people are wanting to continue pushing that story arc then be my guest.

[Livia]

I'm yet to actually see any comments from youths wishing old people would just drop dead already, but if people are wanting to continue pushing that story arc then be my guest.


I've never seen anyone on here wish them dead either. Mock came close once or twice though...

[Crimson Dynamo]

What makes me smile is people's willingness to accepts stats and figures so long as it fits in with their own agenda. They've come to the conclusion that so many more young people voted remain... but they used the feedback from only 12000 voters when well over 30 million people voted.

The stat I would like to see is, how many young people eligible to vote, didn't bother... against how many older people eligible to vote, didn't bother.

And another thing... when does young become old? What's the cut-off point and who gets to decide it? Because there's a whole range of people between 21 and 70.

Not young people thinking everything is about them and then going in a huff when they dont get their own way?

:joker:

[Tom4784]

Evan Davis has accused a leading Brexit campaigner of peddling an immigration policy “completely at odds with what the public think they’ve just voted for” after Brexit.

The Newsnight presenter confronted MEP Daniel Hannan, when he was reduced to putting his head in his hands out of visible frustration over the “change of tone on freedom of movement”.

A tense exchange between the two saw Davis accuse Hannan of promising to take back control of immigration, but after a Brexit win on Friday, admit the country would still allow free movement of labour from Europe.

Hannan had said the UK should stay within the “common market” - the EU trading group - but Davis reminded him that meant Britain would still have to allow in unlimited numbers of European workers.

“I’m sorry we’ve just been through three months of agony on the issue of immigration,” Davis lamented. “The public have been led to believe that what they have voted for is an end to free movement.”

Hannan defended the Leave campaign saying Britain would not longer have to give certain legal rights to EU citizens
Hannan rebutted that after Brexit, EU citizens would lose some of their legal entitlements and the right to pay the same level of university tuition fees.

But an exasperated Davis hit back, saying:

Why didn’t you say this in the campaign? Why didn’t you say in the campaign that you were wanting a scheme where we have free movement of labour?
It comes after Nigel Farage yesterday admitted it was a “mistake” of the official Vote Leave campaign to claim that the £350m contribution paid by Britain to the EU could be re-invested in the NHS after Brexit.

He was questioned by ITV’s Susanna Reid, who asked the Ukip leader:

“You’re saying, after 17m people have voted for Leave based - I don’t know how many people voted on the basis of that advert, but it was a huge part of the propaganda - you’re saying that was a mistake?”
Farage responded that he had been “ostracised” by the official Leave campaign, adding: “As I’ve always done, [I] did my own thing.”

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/evan-davis-newsnight-bbc-daniel-hannan-mep-eu-referendum-brexit_uk_576e2967e4b08d2c56393241

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[Cherie]

http://i.imgbox.com/1DQNVTZC.gif


:hehe:

[Tom4784]

:hehe:

We should make sure to stock up on cans of 'I told you so' Cherie, we'll be using them in abundance in the coming months :hehe:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Summing up yesterday's events, Suzanne Evans, a prominent Vote Leave campaigner and Ukip spokesperson, wrote on her Facebook: 'If this was the predicted apocalypse, well, it was a very British one. It was all over by teatime. Not a bad first day of freedom.'

:joker:

[Crimson Dynamo]

We should make sure to stock up on cans of 'I told you so' Cherie, we'll be using them in abundance in the coming months :hehe:

https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5326/13968917952_171b7cf07f_b.jpg

[Johnnyuk123]

Not young people thinking everything is about them and then going in a huff when they dont get their own way?

:joker:

Half of them couldn't be arsed to get out of bed and vote LT.:shrug:

[_Tom_]

Whatever happened to "back of the queue"?

746335712031707136

[_Tom_]

Half of them couldn't be arsed to get out of bed and vote LT.:shrug:

75% of the younger generation didn't bother to actually turn up and vote.

[Denver]

We should make sure to stock up on cans of 'I told you so' Cherie, we'll be using them in abundance in the coming months :hehe:

This is where the ignorance is tbh people who voted remain expect changes immediately when in reality its a marathon not a sprint

[Crimson Dynamo]

I can't wait for Nigel to make his first speech back in the European parliament

That will be worth watching

[Crimson Dynamo]

This is where the ignorance is tbh people who voted remain expect changes immediately when in reality its a marathon not a sprint

indeed

Most of the young ones think we have left the EU already

:joker:

[Cherie]

indeed

Most of the young ones think we have left the EU already

:joker:


Excuse you though I am young :hee:


No ignorance involved, if we sign up to the single market, freedom of movement is part and parcel, how many of the 17 million voted for that?

[Tom4784]

This is where the ignorance is tbh people who voted remain expect changes immediately when in reality its a marathon not a sprint

It's not ignorance (I like the not-so-subtle dig though, if this situation was reversed you'd be screaming about being bullied but okay.) The whole Leave campaign was built on the idea of putting an end to unlimited EU immigration but now they've got their way the Leave camp is going back on that, it's not something that's going to change since we need the EU market and will have to play by EU's rules to access it. Remainers have been saying this for months.

I said that the Leave campaign was built on nothing more than idealism and I'm already being proved correct, two campaign promises have already been mooted and we're not even a week past the vote yet.

[Crimson Dynamo]

It's not ignorance (I like the not-so-subtle dig though, if this situation was reversed you'd be screaming about being bullied but okay.) The whole Leave campaign was built on the idea of putting an end to unlimited EU immigration but now they've got their way the Leave camp is going back on that, it's not something that's going to change since we need the EU market and will have to play by EU's rules to access it. Remainers have been saying this for months.

I said that the Leave campaign was built on nothing more than idealism and I'm already being proved correct, two campaign promises have already been mooted and we're not even a week past the vote yet.


not Dezzy being proved right again....


:joker:

Jan will be shocked

[billy123]

I just saw this posted elsewhere by Economist and entrepreneur Roger Hamilton that works in Hong Kong.
I wish people would stop whining and crying it isnt helping anyone least of all yourself.


I’ve just landed in London to learn that the UK has voted for ‪#‎brexit‬. What’s next? Here’s one possible outcome…
In a similarly dramatic referendum 50 years ago, Singapore citizens voted to leave British colonial rule and join the new Federation of Malaysia. But following race riots that ran out of control, Singapore was expelled from Malaysia and left as an island to fend for itself.
At the time, the skeptics saw a bleak future for Singapore.
At the time, the leader of Singapore, Lee Kuan Yew spoke with tears on National TV: "Every time we look back on this moment when we signed this agreement which severed Singapore from Malaysia, it will be a moment of anguish… because all my life... I have believed in merger and the unity of these two territories.”
Then, realizing Singapore had no one to depend on but themselves, Lee Kuan Yew decided to reinvent Singapore - and focus the newly independent island on becoming a world leading nation.
He looked beyond their relationship with the British Empire and Malaysia to the rest of the world. He looked beyond the present to 50 years in the future.
Suddenly, what looked like a crisis was turned into an opportunity, with SIngapore being the first nation to be deliberately designed for the 21st Century.
50 years after that separation and new focus, here’s what that separation has led to…
Today Singapore has been recognized globally as:
> The No.1 most educated country, according to the OECD Global Education Report.
> The most innovative country, based on the Global Innovation Index published by INSEAD, WIPO & Cornell University.
> The world’s easiest country to do business in, according to the World Bank (7 years in a row)
> The No.1 country with the best business environment, according to the Economist Intelligence Unit.
> The No.1 city with the best investment potential, according to BERI.
> The most transparent country in the world, according to the Global Competitiveness Report.
> The 2nd most competitive country in the world, according to the World Economic Forum.
> The 2nd most technologically advanced country, according to the WEF Global Information Technology Report.
> And the 3rd richest country in the world, according to Forbes, with one of the lowest levels of poverty and one of the highest density of millionaires in the world.
Singapore has achieved all of this 50 years after a separation that was seen at the time as a major crisis from which it might never recover.
It was achieved by focusing at future potential over existing partnerships and by focusing at the advantage of speed over scale. They set their own rules based on where the world was going instead of where the world was.
Of course, there’s huge differences between the UK and Singapore. But there’s also huge difference in the times we now live in. With the growing waves of technological and economic change, it’s the most nimble nations that will win in the next 50 years.
And while it will be the ones that can move rapidly with the times that will win, it will be the ones tied down in regulation and bureaucracy that will be left behind.
Of course, this is just one possible outcome from the current situation. The UK could also get caught up in bitter in-fighting and holding on to the past. It could be left behind in a wave of anti-immigration and protectionism. It could trip up over a fatalistic focus on short term currency and market swings. Or get stuck in everyone spending more time complaining about the weather than preparing for a sunny future.
Which path the UK takes is up to its citizens. But to choose to be a world leading nation of the new tomorrow is as valid a path as any.
In the midst of the current chaos and divide, there now lies an incredible opportunity for the UK to unite, put the past behind it, and reinvent itself for the future ahead.
And just as countries can reinvent themselves, against all odds, so can you.


“The future belongs to those who prepare for it today.” ~ Malcolm X

Wring your knickers out cheer up and get on with it FFS.

I do also agree though that some of the gloating on here is pretty pathetic.

[Headie]

Whatever happened to "back of the queue"?

746335712031707136

We'll still be back of the queue, this is just damage control on both sides

[Johnnyuk123]

Ys_EyMCYbHo

[Cherie]

I just saw this posted elsewhere by Economist and entrepreneur Roger Hamilton that works in Hong Kong.
I wish people would stop whining and crying it isnt helping anyone least of all yourself.




Wring your knickers out cheer up and get on with it FFS.

It's a discussion forum we are getting on with it :D:

[arista]

Ys_EyMCYbHo


I like the Facebook Lefties


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[_Tom_]

Ys_EyMCYbHo

PJW spot on as always :clap1:

[Jack_]

Yes something Young Jack
skips

I don't skip it at all, political apathy is a terrible thing and it's especially bad amongst young people which makes me sad, but as with everything it has a cause and one that needs to be addressed.

Politics just doesn't speak to a lot of young people, and the government are intent on making sure of that. Politics and sociology should be core subjects from the start of secondary school to engage students in the world around them but in typical fashion it's actually going the other way, and such important subjects are being downgraded and don't carry the same weight that other more ~prestigious~ ones do.

Unfortunately it's a cyclical thing. Political parties tend to target their more beneficiary policies towards those who are retired because they're more likely to vote and young people therefore have to carry the burden, so as a result they feel marginalised and disaffected and so don't vote. They don't vote, and nothing changes. It's a difficult problem to address but you can't expect young people to take an interest in it when not only do they feel like it either doesn't speak for them or is irrelevant, but they are presented with very little opportunities to learn about it.

[arista]

I don't skip it at all, political apathy is a terrible thing and it's especially bad amongst young people which makes me sad, but as with everything it has a cause and one that needs to be addressed.

Politics just doesn't speak to a lot of young people, and the government are intent on making sure of that. Politics and sociology should be core subjects from the start of secondary school to engage students in the world around them but in typical fashion it's actually going the other way, and such important subjects are being downgraded and don't carry the same weight that other more ~prestigious~ ones do.

Unfortunately it's a cyclical thing. Political parties tend to target their more beneficiary policies towards those who are retired because they're more likely to vote and young people therefore have to carry the burden, so as a result they feel marginalised and disaffected and so don't vote. They don't vote, and nothing changes. It's a difficult problem to address but you can't expect young people to take an interest in it when not only do they feel like it either doesn't speak for them or is irrelevant, but they are presented with very little opportunities to learn about it.


OK Young Jack
Sorry

[_Tom_]

We'll still be back of the queue, this is just damage control on both sides

He's backtracked on everything he said during the EU referendum campaign. As usual - Obama meddled in another country's elections and backed the losing side.

[Black Dagger]

Ys_EyMCYbHo

What a wanker.

[Northern Monkey]

Ys_EyMCYbHo

:clap1:

[arista]

What a wanker.


Fast Forward
to the USA Black Reporter
in a proper studio

[_Tom_]

W84unqJgCd0

[Crimson Dynamo]

Not that ridiculous see saw advert backfiring

:hehe:

[arista]

Not that ridiculous see saw advert backfiring

:hehe:


Yes and he is a Polish Punk Rocker

[kirklancaster]

W84unqJgCd0

PERHAPS THEY COULD HAVE USED THIS POLISH TATTOED SKINHEAD INSTEAD - OR ANY ONE OF THE 6,000 OTHER IMMIGRANT SERIOUS CRIMINALS WHICH THE UK CANNOT DEPORT BECAUSE OF THE EU?

http://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/1/590x/Polish1-676767.jpg

Polish rapist who threw man in front of a bus had slipped into UK unchecked 2 DAYS earlier

A POLISH rapist with a criminal record stretching back two decades was able to sneak into Britain and beat a man with learning difficulties before throwing him in front of a bus.

Damian Pankiewicz, 37, had been in the country just 48 hours when, high on drugs, he attacked the innocent bystander at a bus stop in south London.

The EU citizen, who has convictions for rape and violent assaults, punched the man unconscious then grabbed him by the neck before dragging him into the path of a double decker bus on a busy Brixton road.

The driver screeched to a halt, only just missing the unconscious man.

The 52-year-old victim suffered bleeding on the brain, a broken leg and broken ribs and spent three weeks in hospital.

Pankiewicz appeared at the Inner London Crown Court where he was jailed for 12 years for grievous bodily harm with intent.

It has been revealed that Scotland Yard did not know about Pankiewicz's criminal past until police arrested him for the attack on July 22 last year.

The sick criminal considers himself to be a celebrity villain in his native country where he boasted about his convictions, writing on a dating website that he was a "good thief" and even rapping about his crimes.
A drug addict, Pankiewicz has a string of offences dating back to when he was just 17, for rape, violent assaults, burglary, drink driving and theft.

He came to Britain in July 20 last year, just weeks after being released from prison in Poland.

He will be deported after serving his prison sentence.

Pankiewicz is by no means the only dangerous foreign criminal who has managed to slip into Britain undetected.

Our prisons are full of thousands of foreigners, hundreds of them serving life sentences.

There are currently 4,171 EU criminals among the 9,895 foreigners in jail in England and Wales.

Of these, 248 EU citizens are serving life sentences, costing the British taxpayer £36,000 a year, even though the government has the power to send them home.

Under the EU Prisoner Transfer Agreement, Britain can deport European citizens jailed by UK courts yet many are still clogging up our prison system.

The top three EU nationalities serving life sentences in British prisons are Ireland, with 77 prisoners, Poland with 70 and Lithuania with 41.

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EU? EWW.

[user104658]

You can actually stop with the xeno-scare propaganda now Kirk... the vote is done...

[Northern Monkey]

An excellent discussion reflecting on Brexit.Well worth a watch
/tbZ9EIOQzXU

[kirklancaster]

You can actually stop with the xeno-scare propaganda now Kirk... the vote is done...

You, and certain other defeated 'Remainers' are still posting absolutely false B.S. propaganda about Brexit and the EU on every thread - even though the 'vote is done' - yet you have the temerity to post this hypocrisy above.

Is there one rule for you defeated 'Remainers' and another for us 'victors'?

I think not - especially since ALL my posts are 100% factual.

If you want to confine your comments to acually debating the facts, then I will gladly accomodate you, but stop giving me unsolicited advice to stop doing the very thing you are doing oevery EU thread.

[user104658]

You, and certain other defeated 'Remainers' are still posting absolutely false B.S. propaganda about Brexit and the EU on every thread - even though the 'vote is done' - yet you have the temerity to post this hypocrisy above.

Is there one rule for you defeated 'Remainers' and another for us 'victors'?

I think not - especially since ALL my posts are 100% factual.

If you want to confine your comments to acually debating the facts, then I will gladly accomodate you, but stop giving me unsolicited advice to stop doing the very thing you are doing oevery EU thread.
I'm just saying, you don't need to use immigrant bogeymen to convince people to "vote out" anymore... It's already worked :shrug:. You could save lots of time and energy.

[Jack_]

These make for very interesting reading

https://www.facebook.com/tom.short.351/posts/10155134392909152?pnref=story

http://jackofkent.com/2016/06/why-the-article-50-notification-is-important/

I'm pretty sure article 50 will be triggered, but one thing is for sure is that 2016 is a great year for political buffs like me :flutter:

[kirklancaster]

I'm just saying, you don't need to use immigrant bogeymen to convince people to "vote out" anymore... It's already worked :shrug:. You could save lots of time and energy.

No, you are not just saying that at all, you are doing what EVERYONE on these forums KNOWs you do - popping in to a thread when someone is having sensible debate and posting in earnest, to post flippant and immature comments for the purpose of trying to show everyone what a 'clever little man' you are.

Thus, why you included the term 'Big chair' and a load of piss-taking nonsense to bait me on another - totally unrelated thread.

The only difference in my post which you allude to above and the posts which you keep making on various threads about Brexit and the EU, is that mine ARE factual.

Fecking grow up or stop trolling me.

[jaxie]

It's not ignorance (I like the not-so-subtle dig though, if this situation was reversed you'd be screaming about being bullied but okay.) The whole Leave campaign was built on the idea of putting an end to unlimited EU immigration but now they've got their way the Leave camp is going back on that, it's not something that's going to change since we need the EU market and will have to play by EU's rules to access it. Remainers have been saying this for months.

I said that the Leave campaign was built on nothing more than idealism and I'm already being proved correct, two campaign promises have already been mooted and we're not even a week past the vote yet.

How can you possibly say 17 million people are all idealistic. Did you spend 6 months before the vote personally chatting to all of them about their voting motivations? :shrug:

[user104658]

No, you are not just saying that at all, you are doing what EVERYONE on these forums KNOWs you do - popping in to a thread when someone is having sensible debate and posting in earnest, to post flippant and immature comments for the purpose of trying to show everyone what a 'clever little man' you are.

Thus, why you included the term 'Big chair' and a load of piss-taking nonsense to bait me on another - totally unrelated thread.

The only difference in my post which you allude to above and the posts which you keep making on various threads about Brexit and the EU, is that mine ARE factual.

Fecking grow up or stop trolling me.

The big chair comment was entirely relevant as an illustration of a leave voter who has an inflated idea of post-Brexit Britain's level of influence and importance. I find the comment ridiculous... It's stands out to me - genuinely - even amongst all of the comments I've seen across Facebook etc.

None of my comments have been flippant and I am perfectly well informed. Immature might be a matter of opinion. I can be immature. I enjoy being immature. I'm not about to change how I post, because I find that the ability to get under people's skin just that little bit is a surefire way to get them to blurt out their true opinions and intentions once all of the "mature, sensible, structured debate" BS is stripped back. It works exceptionally well with yourself, for example.

I personally don't consider it to be trolling. You might, and that's fine, feel free to ignore it if so (although it can be hard to ignore trolls, I realise, I've been trying and failing all day today).

As a final trolly thought though:

I have literally no idea why you are so sure that your opinions are "facts".

[Liberty4eva]

Whatever happened to "back of the queue"?

746335712031707136

I knew Obama was blowing hot air when he said it. I'm used to it by now.
"If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor". "I'm not coming after your guns". "I'm not going to hire any lobbyists in my administration" on and on and on. The man is a fraud and I cringed when he threatened the UK in that condescending way like the British would just eat it up. And actually, I think it backfired.

Why he has any kind of support in the UK I don't understand. I think people on both sides of the Atlantic are reluctant to criticize because he is the first African American president but people forget that there are scumbags in the world who happen to be black.

[Ninastar]

I'm yet to actually see any comments from youths wishing old people would just drop dead already, but if people are wanting to continue pushing that story arc then be my guest.

I should have said that it wasnt on here, but on my facebook. I've seen plenty of people saying it. I just think its disgusting :shrug:

[letmein]

I knew Obama was blowing hot air when he said it. I'm used to it by now.
"If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor". "I'm not coming after your guns". "I'm not going to hire any lobbyists in my administration" on and on and on. The man is a fraud and I cringed when he threatened the UK in that condescending way like the British would just eat it up. And actually, I think it backfired.

Why he has any kind of support in the UK I don't understand. I think people on both sides of the Atlantic are reluctant to criticize because he is the first African American president but people forget that there are scumbags in the world who happen to be black.

Honey, he, like most people, knows that the UK just committed suicide. There's nothing more to say. It will pay the ultimate price in the end. It's like the Iraq war. People who were opposed were raked over the coals. In the end, they were proven right. Obama, and everyone else who warned the UK against what they just stupidity did, will also be proven right. All you have to do now is sit back and watch the country sink into the abyss. In this case, the UK will just become completely politically and economically irrelevant on the world's stage while paying bucket loads to do business with anyone.

[Liberty4eva]

Honey, he, like most people, knows that the UK just committed suicide. There's nothing more to say. It will pay the ultimate price in the end. It's like the Iraq war. People who were opposed were raked over the coals. In the end, they were proven right. Obama, and everyone else who warned the UK against what they just stupidity did, will also be proven right. All you have to do now is sit back and watch the country sink into the abyss. In this case, the UK will just become completely politically and economically irrelevant on the world's stage while paying bucket loads to do business with anyone.

Obama is a globalist like most politicians. I don't think he believes the US and UK should exist as sovereign nations with their own unique cultures and peoples. He should have said the US would be a friend of the UK regardless of how they voted. But he threatened them.

I don't think you committed suicide but I do think you have to watch your backs because the EU might try to ruin you guys as an example.

[Kizzy]

You, and certain other defeated 'Remainers' are still posting absolutely false B.S. propaganda about Brexit and the EU on every thread - even though the 'vote is done' - yet you have the temerity to post this hypocrisy above.

Is there one rule for you defeated 'Remainers' and another for us 'victors'?

I think not - especially since ALL my posts are 100% factual.

If you want to confine your comments to acually debating the facts, then I will gladly accomodate you, but stop giving me unsolicited advice to stop doing the very thing you are doing oevery EU thread.

Us 'victors'? :joker: :joker: you say this like there's a prize, is farage handing out bottles of prosecco for those who voted brexit?....

No is he balls, you're a big fat loser like the rest of us in this ex European dumping ground, the only thing that we'll be known for soon is for being the worlds nuclear waste drop off point.

[AnnieK]

The only thing that is factual about this result so far is the United Kingdom has never been less United. Beyond that, everything is conjecture and a waiting game that is scary for some and exciting for others. We will struggle to move forwards with the level of division and people just waiting to say I told you so on both sides.

[Northern Monkey]

I think alot has been said of the leave campaign.Saying how bad it was but the remain campaign have been just as bad.
The scare tactics they've used have actually struck fear into the hearts of alot of remainers who actually believed alot of this stuff.

There are people on the remain side who actually think that we've left Europe and are set to float off into the Atlantic somewhere in....."isolation"......A word that has been used many many times in this campaign to try and make people think that we will now be just sat shivering in some cold corner of the globe(yes i know globes don't have corners).
Another one used by Tim Farron on various occasions is that we will be "glowering off the cliffs of Dover" as if we all hate Europe now.We don't hate Europe or its people and we have not left Europe.People need to try and grasp that.

All we've done is freed ourselves from a corrupt corporate organisation who holds power over and dictates to all the citizens of Europe to shape it HOW THEY WANT IT TO BE not WHAT IS BEST FOR IT'S PEOPLE.
European countries should all have a referendum and decide if they really still want to be dictated to by this monster or free themselves as we Great Britain have done.

[kirklancaster]

Us 'victors'? :joker: :joker: you say this like there's a prize, is farage handing out bottles of prosecco for those who voted brexit?....

No is he balls, you're a big fat loser like the rest of us in this ex European dumping ground, the only thing that we'll be known for soon is for being the worlds nuclear waste drop off point.

zzzzz - another who floats from thread to thread, interjecting or commenting without actually adding anything of merit to the subjects being discussed.

Go look up the word 'Victor' in any dictionary dear - 'Remain' and 'Leave' were opponents in the Referendum, hence the word 'victors'.

As for; "is Farage (capitalise dear girl) handing out bottles of Prosseco" (capitalise dear girl) - NO, Nigel does not have to, he has handed us all the greatest prize that anyone could - our country back.

It is a country which has been extensively damaged and robbed of its culture, its traditions, and half a trillion pounds of its money over the 42 years since it was handed over to Brussels by traitor Heath, and there is a lot of of hard work to do to redress all the wrongs inflicted upon it, but it is now our country again, and I'm not afraid of hard work. Are you?

p.s.

I love the curious manner in which - in the space of a few days - your pro-'Remain' mumblings that this country is better 'IN' the EU, have now transmogrified into 'Ex-European dumping ground'.

[Wizard.]

The way I see it is that the UK is Katniss Everdeen and the EU is President Snow and we have stood up and started a rebellion and we will take them down!

[AnnieK]

I have just had this sent to me over Facebook....apparently it's from the comments section in the comments section of the Guardian....

12:56

From the guardians comments section:
If Boris Johnson looked downbeat yesterday, that is because he realises that he has lost.
Perhaps many Brexiters do not realise it yet, but they have actually lost, and it is all down to one man: David Cameron.
With one fell swoop yesterday at 9:15 am, Cameron effectively annulled the referendum result, and simultaneously destroyed the political careers of Boris Johnson, Michael Gove and leading Brexiters who cost him so much anguish, not to mention his premiership.
How?
Throughout the campaign, Cameron had repeatedly said that a vote for leave would lead to triggering Article 50 straight away. Whether implicitly or explicitly, the image was clear: he would be giving that notice under Article 50 the morning after a vote to leave. Whether that was scaremongering or not is a bit moot now but, in the midst of the sentimental nautical references of his speech yesterday, he quietly abandoned that position and handed the responsibility over to his successor.
And as the day wore on, the enormity of that step started to sink in: the markets, Sterling, Scotland, the Irish border, the Gibraltar border, the frontier at Calais, the need to continue compliance with all EU regulations for a free market, re-issuing passports, Brits abroad, EU citizens in Britain, the mountain of legistlation to be torn up and rewritten ... the list grew and grew.
The referendum result is not binding. It is advisory. Parliament is not bound to commit itself in that same direction.
The Conservative party election that Cameron triggered will now have one question looming over it: will you, if elected as party leader, trigger the notice under Article 50?
Who will want to have the responsibility of all those ramifications and consequences on his/her head and shoulders?
Boris Johnson knew this yesterday, when he emerged subdued from his home and was even more subdued at the press conference. He has been out-maneouvered and check-mated.
If he runs for leadership of the party, and then fails to follow through on triggering Article 50, then he is finished. If he does not run and effectively abandons the field, then he is finished. If he runs, wins and pulls the UK out of the EU, then it will all be over - Scotland will break away, there will be upheaval in Ireland, a recession ... broken trade agreements. Then he is also finished. Boris Johnson knows all of this. When he acts like the dumb blond it is just that: an act.
The Brexit leaders now have a result that they cannot use. For them, leadership of the Tory party has become a poison chalice.
When Boris Johnson said there was no need to trigger Article 50 straight away, what he really meant to say was "never". When Michael Gove went on and on about "informal negotiations" ... why? why not the formal ones straight away? ... he also meant not triggering the formal departure. They both know what a formal demarche would mean: an irreversible step that neither of them is prepared to take.
All that remains is for someone to have the guts to stand up and say that Brexit is unachievable in reality without an enormous amount of pain and destruction, that cannot be borne. And David Cameron has put the onus of making that statement on the heads of the people who led the Brexit campaign.

Don't know how true it is but it was an interesting read...Any thoughts?

[arista]

"Tory party has become a poison chalice."


No it has Not
but 8 Labour Ministers have resigned Today

[bots]

I have just had this sent to me over Facebook....apparently it's from the comments section in the comments section of the Guardian....

12:56

From the guardians comments section:
If Boris Johnson looked downbeat yesterday, that is because he realises that he has lost.
Perhaps many Brexiters do not realise it yet, but they have actually lost, and it is all down to one man: David Cameron.
With one fell swoop yesterday at 9:15 am, Cameron effectively annulled the referendum result, and simultaneously destroyed the political careers of Boris Johnson, Michael Gove and leading Brexiters who cost him so much anguish, not to mention his premiership.
How?
Throughout the campaign, Cameron had repeatedly said that a vote for leave would lead to triggering Article 50 straight away. Whether implicitly or explicitly, the image was clear: he would be giving that notice under Article 50 the morning after a vote to leave. Whether that was scaremongering or not is a bit moot now but, in the midst of the sentimental nautical references of his speech yesterday, he quietly abandoned that position and handed the responsibility over to his successor.
And as the day wore on, the enormity of that step started to sink in: the markets, Sterling, Scotland, the Irish border, the Gibraltar border, the frontier at Calais, the need to continue compliance with all EU regulations for a free market, re-issuing passports, Brits abroad, EU citizens in Britain, the mountain of legistlation to be torn up and rewritten ... the list grew and grew.
The referendum result is not binding. It is advisory. Parliament is not bound to commit itself in that same direction.
The Conservative party election that Cameron triggered will now have one question looming over it: will you, if elected as party leader, trigger the notice under Article 50?
Who will want to have the responsibility of all those ramifications and consequences on his/her head and shoulders?
Boris Johnson knew this yesterday, when he emerged subdued from his home and was even more subdued at the press conference. He has been out-maneouvered and check-mated.
If he runs for leadership of the party, and then fails to follow through on triggering Article 50, then he is finished. If he does not run and effectively abandons the field, then he is finished. If he runs, wins and pulls the UK out of the EU, then it will all be over - Scotland will break away, there will be upheaval in Ireland, a recession ... broken trade agreements. Then he is also finished. Boris Johnson knows all of this. When he acts like the dumb blond it is just that: an act.
The Brexit leaders now have a result that they cannot use. For them, leadership of the Tory party has become a poison chalice.
When Boris Johnson said there was no need to trigger Article 50 straight away, what he really meant to say was "never". When Michael Gove went on and on about "informal negotiations" ... why? why not the formal ones straight away? ... he also meant not triggering the formal departure. They both know what a formal demarche would mean: an irreversible step that neither of them is prepared to take.
All that remains is for someone to have the guts to stand up and say that Brexit is unachievable in reality without an enormous amount of pain and destruction, that cannot be borne. And David Cameron has put the onus of making that statement on the heads of the people who led the Brexit campaign.

Don't know how true it is but it was an interesting read...Any thoughts?

Its a case of massaging facts to match a scenario. The people decided to exit the EU, so any leader that formally submits the exit request is following the will of the people.

The snp could veto the vote and they have a mandate to do it based on their countries voting, and what that would do is hasten independence because they would tie casting their veto to Scotland getting a referendum.

I don't see a need to rush anything personally. We will all be better prepared, at home and in europe with some time to reflect.

[joeysteele]

Its a case of massaging facts to match a scenario. The people decided to exit the EU, so any leader that formally submits the exit request is following the will of the people.

The snp could veto the vote and they have a mandate to do it based on their countries voting, and what that would do is hasten independence because they would tie casting their veto to Scotland getting a referendum.

I don't see a need to rush anything personally. We will all be better prepared, at home and in europe with some time to reflect.

One Conservative MP on TV today, James cleverly,thinks we should not even think of triggering Article 50,until at least 2019.
Parliament as a whole could I think, go for that.

Over 400 MPs do not want to leave the EU at all, legally too from all accounts, I thought it was but you are right, this result and referendum is 'not' binding on the government.

It seems no one has a single clue as to the best thing to do now,not even the leaders of the 'leave' campaign.
Except for Nigel Farage,who isn't an MP anyway.

[Northern Monkey]

One thing's for sure though.Whoever becomes the next PM will have to trigger article 50.It is what the electorate have decided.The pressure will be huge.

[user104658]

Exactly Joey, it sort of seems like the big figures in Brexit have been like;

"Yaaaayyyy, yaaaaaayyy we did it guys! We won! We won the referendum! OK so now what? What do you mean "dunno"? I don't know either! I thought YOU knew what we were doing next?? Errrrr..."

Seems like exceptionally poor planning. Like there should have been a road map drawn up for post-Brexit long before the vote. My only conclusion can be that they honestly didn't think that it was actually going to happen.

[VanessaFeltz.]

https://scontent-yyz1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/p403x403/13529066_10154141134774404_6018490689375818259_n.j pg?oh=ffbdc507c77c5eda9b4bf5920abe36e4&oe=5807C3C0

simple solution for people wanted to remain?

[user104658]

https://scontent-yyz1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/p403x403/13529066_10154141134774404_6018490689375818259_n.j pg?oh=ffbdc507c77c5eda9b4bf5920abe36e4&oe=5807C3C0

simple solution for people wanted to remain?
:omg: it's beautiful...

[Northern Monkey]

https://scontent-yyz1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/p403x403/13529066_10154141134774404_6018490689375818259_n.j pg?oh=ffbdc507c77c5eda9b4bf5920abe36e4&oe=5807C3C0

simple solution for people wanted to remain?
I'll go get my hacksaw out now.Should'nt take too long.

[Cherie]

https://scontent-yyz1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/p403x403/13529066_10154141134774404_6018490689375818259_n.j pg?oh=ffbdc507c77c5eda9b4bf5920abe36e4&oe=5807C3C0

simple solution for people wanted to remain?

Why is Northern Ireland sticking out of the west coast :worry: can we add London please?

[arista]

https://scontent-yyz1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/p403x403/13529066_10154141134774404_6018490689375818259_n.j pg?oh=ffbdc507c77c5eda9b4bf5920abe36e4&oe=5807C3C0

simple solution for people wanted to remain?



Yes Cut Them off
join it with 500 cranes

[arista]

Why is Northern Ireland sticking out of the west coast :worry: can we add London please?


NO
4 zones Of London Voted LEAVE

[billy123]

Some people need to grow up.

https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/s480x480/13495214_10209632853680866_5193211743007699315_n.j pg?oh=60a15a9bc3b5e80e9d60c6f4f3626db8&oe=57C2AEE6

[Cherie]

NO
4 zones Of London Voted LEAVE


They can stay here :hmph:

[arista]

They can stay here :hmph:


You can not Cut Romford OFF

[AnnieK]

Some people need to grow up.

https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/s480x480/13495214_10209632853680866_5193211743007699315_n.j pg?oh=60a15a9bc3b5e80e9d60c6f4f3626db8&oe=57C2AEE6
:clap1:

[user104658]

Some people need to grow up.

https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/s480x480/13495214_10209632853680866_5193211743007699315_n.j pg?oh=60a15a9bc3b5e80e9d60c6f4f3626db8&oe=57C2AEE6
I no longer identify as British, a clear majority of my country did not vote to leave, and I refuse to accept the blinkered mob rule of a more heavily populated nation. Sorry.

[Tom4784]

I'm not going to get in line and be all happy and dandy with a terrible decision especially since it's the second terrible decision the UK has made in just over a year. All this unity crap is just a way to silence the remain voter's opinions.

[user104658]

I'm not going to get in line and be all happy and dandy with a terrible decision especially since it's the second terrible decision the UK has made in just over a year. All this unity crap is just a way to silence the remain voter's opinions.
Exactly. People don't like their buzz being killed by all of this pesky "pointing out that the leave campaign has now backtracked on every single campaign focus point" business.

[billy123]

I no longer identify as BritishCool that means you can stop bitching and worrying about what they get up to then.

[billy123]

Exactly. People don't like their buzz being killed by all of this pesky "pointing out that the leave campaign has now backtracked on every single campaign focus point" business.Is that what you think? Is your mentality really to think Im killing ther buzz? :joker: Thats funny. Grim but amusing. Do you think im "buzzing" ?
Im suprised at you to be honest. Not so much quite a few others on here but i thought you were a bit brighter than that.

[Tom4784]

I no longer identify as British, a clear majority of my country did not vote to leave, and I refuse to accept the blinkered mob rule of a more heavily populated nation. Sorry.

Too right, I hope Scotland and NI get their chances of independence and unification. This vote has simply highlighted that their voices and opinions simply do not matter in the long run. England is more populated and will always have the final say because of it and that's dumb.

Two countries voted to remain and two voted to leave but that doesn't matter because England has more numbers so screw the opinions of Scotland and NI.

[user104658]

Is that what you think? Is your mentality really to think Im killing ther buzz? :joker: Thats funny. Grim but amusing. Do you think im "buzzing" ?
Im suprised at you to be honest. Not so much quite a few others on here but i thought you were a bit brighter than that.
No no no its not the aim, the aim is for people to be able to freely express themselves however they damn well want when they're quite rightly reeling from a terrible decision. I'm saying that there are two types of people who want everyone to "Shut up".

The first is people on the Leave side who want to be able to hoot and pat each other on the back in peace. I have no inclination to let them.

The second is those who want people to shut up because the things that are being said are scaring them. In that case... :shrug: they should be scared, as above I have no inclination to help people to Bury their heads in the sand.

I see no convincing argument for anyone to "be quiet", "just accept it", "heal the divide", "kiss and make up" or whatever else. You do what you want, and stop trying to dictate the reactions of others.

[user104658]

Cool that means you can stop bitching and worrying about what they get up to then.
If only, if only. Sadly, I live in an occupied nation under British dictatorship :worry:.

[billy123]

No no no its not the aim, the aim is for people to be able to freely express themselves however they damn well want when they're quite rightly reeling from a terrible decision. I'm saying that there are two types of people who want everyone to "Shut up".

The first is people on the Leave side who want to be able to hoot and pat each other on the back in peace. I have no inclination to let them.

The second is those who want people to shut up because the things that are being said are scaring them. In that case... :shrug: they should be scared, as above I have no inclination to help people to Bury their heads in the sand.

I see no convincing argument for anyone to "be quiet", "just accept it", "heal the divide", "kiss and make up" or whatever else. You do what you want, and stop trying to dictate the reactions of others.Im not trying to dictate to anyone TS it is my humble opinion that people involved on both sides are behaving like childish wankers and need to pack it in and instead of the tantrums and gloating should all be thinking about what we all need to do to get on with life.
The scummy media are hard at work creating divisions and people i thought were bigger than that are well and truly blinded by it all and guzzling down every single word that that helps endorse their viewpoint.
Sad times.

[user104658]

Im not trying to dictate to anyone TS it is my humble opinion that people involved on both sides are behaving like childish wankers and need to pack it in and instead of the tantrums and gloating should all be thinking about what we all need to do to get on with life.
The scummy media are hard at work creating divisions and people i thought were bigger than that are well and truly blinded by it all and guzzling down every single word that that helps endorse their viewpoint.
Sad times.
You're not trying to dictate, but people "need to pack it in".

It's been three days. Maybe give people a little longer to forgive and forget?

[Wizard.]

Anyone else seen that the ****ty petition calling for a 2nd referendum has been manipulated and has signatures from around the world.

[Tom4784]

A second referendum is pointless, the damage is done. People will reap what they have sown.

[billy123]

You're not trying to dictate, but people "need to pack it in".

It's been three days. Maybe give people a little longer to forgive and forget?OK you have until tomorrow you bastard.

[user104658]

OK you have until tomorrow you bastard.
I'm thinking more like September... BUT I won't ever forgive Kirklancaster, he accused me of "psycho babble and tomfoolery" :hmph: I've never heard the like.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Maybe English people and some on here should take note of Scotland after the indy ref

a much more passionate affair than the EU


we just got on with it and despite the mail and a few other media outlets predicting riots

nowt happened

[Crimson Dynamo]

A second referendum is pointless, the damage is done. People will reap what they have sown.

why dont you emigrate to an EU country if you are so upset?

like say Belgium

[user104658]

why dont you emigrate to an EU country if you are so upset?

like say Belgium
My head-of-6th-year at school had a catchphrase; "If you don't like it, leave!"

... He was an arsehole. And he looked like the third Chuckle brother.

[Alf]

“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”

Mark Twain

[Kizzy]

define patriot in this instance.

[Alf]

define patriot in this instance.Me

[Crimson Dynamo]

define patriot in this instance.

http://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/ukipdev/pages/3454/meta_images/original/Nigel_Farage.jpeg?1460560534

[kirklancaster]

Some people need to grow up.

https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/s480x480/13495214_10209632853680866_5193211743007699315_n.j pg?oh=60a15a9bc3b5e80e9d60c6f4f3626db8&oe=57C2AEE6

:clap1::clap1::clap1: If only - those two saddest words in the English language.

[Kizzy]

http://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/ukipdev/pages/3454/meta_images/original/Nigel_Farage.jpeg?1460560534

Looks like a lying twonk to me......

[Crimson Dynamo]

Looks like a lying twonk to me......

A hero that hopefully will be knighted

[kirklancaster]

http://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/ukipdev/pages/3454/meta_images/original/Nigel_Farage.jpeg?1460560534

:clap1::clap1::clap1:Truth - that Grail that fools seek who are not equipped to recognise it if they find it.

[user104658]

Farage has outed himself as a bare-faced liar, not two days ago. He had a ****ing BUS with his lies splattered on the side. Truth indeed. You have a very odd definition of it. "Lie your face off to achieve whatever your goal happens to be and then take it all back" - the mantra of most if not all politicians - and it has been irrefutably proven that Farage is no different.

[kirklancaster]

Looks like a lying twonk to me......

Can there be any more compelling an endorsement then, that the man is more than worthy of a Knighthood.

(I use no question mark because the question is rhetorical.)

[Kizzy]

Some people need to grow up.

https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/s480x480/13495214_10209632853680866_5193211743007699315_n.j pg?oh=60a15a9bc3b5e80e9d60c6f4f3626db8&oe=57C2AEE6

Nope not possible, there are the old middle englanders and the knuckle draggers that the media have been courting over this deepening the divide until the country quite literally splits in two... To suggest it can be resolved as simply as this is impossible.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Farage has outed himself as a bare-faced liar, not two days ago. He had a ****ing BUS with his lies splattered on the side. Truth indeed. You have a very odd definition of it. "Lie your face off to achieve whatever your goal happens to be and then take it all back" - the mantra of most if not all politicians - and it has been irrefutably proven that Farage is no different.

He has single handedly brought about this ref, against the full force of the establishment

to not recognise his feat is just bitter sour grapes

It is an amazing achievement and he has written himself into the history books

[Kizzy]

:clap1::clap1::clap1:Truth - that Grail that fools seek who are not equipped to recognise it if they find it.

________________
"Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but they are not entitled to their own facts"

Unless you're nigel farage...

[Crimson Dynamo]

Nope not possible, there are the old middle englanders and the knuckle draggers that the media have been courting over this deepening the divide until the country quite literally splits in two... To suggest it can be resolved as simply as this is impossible.

:nono:

Kizzy, someone has made a square box image with text on the internet that can be easily posted on facebook, twitter and forums

we must obey it

[user104658]

He has single handedly brought about this ref, against the full force of the establishment

to not recognise his feat is just bitter sour grapes

It is an amazing achievement and he has written himself into the history books
It is impressive that he managed to push his agenda against the stream of bigger fish who didn't want it, I'll grant you that.

Has absolutely no bearing on the fact that the campaign focus points he used to convince voters to vote alongside him, were lies. He backtracked on them IMMEDIATELY after the result, meaning that he knew they were lies before the poll. He spread them knowingly, and willingly, to manipulate and to achieve his personal wishes.

And you would Knight the man :facepalm:.

[Crimson Dynamo]

It is impressive that he managed to push his agenda against the stream of bigger fish who didn't want it, I'll grant you that.

Has absolutely no bearing on the fact that the campaign focus points he used to convince voters to vote alongside him, were lies. He backtracked on them IMMEDIATELY after the result, meaning that he knew they were lies before the poll. He spread them knowingly, and willingly, to manipulate and to achieve his personal wishes.

And you would Knight the man :facepalm:.

I would, a decent honest man

:clap1:

[user104658]

I would, a decent honest man

:clap1:
You're being disingenuous; you know fine well that he lied his chinless face off to get the result he wanted.

[billy123]

Just for the record i think Farage is a wanktickling bigot of the highest order and a disgrace to the leave campaign but anybody that thinks that most people that wanted to leave share his mentality is as much as a bigot as he is.

[Kizzy]

:nono:

Kizzy, someone has made a square box image with text on the internet that can be easily posted on facebook, twitter and forums

we must obey it

Someone wrote random figures on a bus and people believed them...you'd be surprised how gullible some are.

[Crimson Dynamo]

You're being disingenuous; you know fine well that he lied his chinless face off to get the result he wanted.

rubbish, but all sides did not cover themselves in glory with scare rhetoric

par for the course

[Crimson Dynamo]

Someone wrote random figures on a bus and people believed them...you'd be surprised how gullible some are.

well look how many voted for Corbyn and look at what he turned out to be

:hehe:

[Jack_]

These make for very interesting reading

https://www.facebook.com/tom.short.351/posts/10155134392909152?pnref=story

http://jackofkent.com/2016/06/why-the-article-50-notification-is-important/

I'm pretty sure article 50 will be triggered, but one thing is for sure is that 2016 is a great year for political buffs like me :flutter:

The media have started picking up on this now

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/26/who-will-dare-pull-trigger-article-50-eu?CMP=fb_gu

[billy123]

The media have started picking up on this now

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/26/who-will-dare-pull-trigger-article-50-eu?CMP=fb_guQuoting you own posts how cool. :joker:

[Crimson Dynamo]

The media have started picking up on this now

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/26/who-will-dare-pull-trigger-article-50-eu?CMP=fb_gu

yes its a "could" and "may" article

Editors love them and journalists hate them

[kirklancaster]

Farage has outed himself as a bare-faced liar, not two days ago. He had a ****ing BUS with his lies splattered on the side. Truth indeed. You have a very odd definition of it. "Lie your face off to achieve whatever your goal happens to be and then take it all back" - the mantra of most if not all politicians - and it has been irrefutably proven that Farage is no different.

You comfort yourself son in clutching your solitary straw tight, hold it aloft in triumph, but do not fool yourself that anyone can see your self-satisfaction, because they cannot; for you are buried under 10 billion tons of straw - all the lies of the 'Remain' campaigners which you absorbed, believed, and still do.

Farage is not perfect, but he is the most honest, eloquent politician in Great Britain.

That poisoned dwarf Sturgeon who shames Scotland, wishes to DESTROY her country for her own twisted prejudices, Farage wants to MEND his country for its inhabitant's cause.

[Kizzy]

well look how many voted for Corbyn and look at what he turned out to be

:hehe:

What did he turn out to be? Your smiley is a bit vague on that.

[Tom4784]

http://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/ukipdev/pages/3454/meta_images/original/Nigel_Farage.jpeg?1460560534

A liar that as misled the gullible and has expressed a desire to dismantle the NHS which plenty of UK citizens rely on to live? What a hero.

[Kizzy]

You comfort yourself son in clutching your solitary straw tight, hold it aloft in triumph, but do not fool yourself that anyone can see your self-satisfaction, because they cannot; for you are buried under 10 billion tons of straw - all the lies of the 'Remain' campaigners which you absorbed, believed, and still do.

Farage is not perfect, but he is the most honest, eloquent politician in Great Britain.

That poisoned dwarf Sturgeon who shames Scotland, wishes to DESTROY her country for her own twisted prejudices, Farage wants to MEND his country for its inhabitant's cause.

#notinmyname

[Tom4784]

“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.”

Mark Twain

Patriotism is a foolish concept that exists only to shame and discredit anyone who dares think differently.

[Northern Monkey]

Not remainers turning into remoaners?

:laugh:

[Crimson Dynamo]

When questioned about the Leave campaign's assertion that leaving the EU would free up £350m a week extra to spend on the NHS, Mr Duncan Smith said the NHS would receive "the lion's share".
"It is not a promise broken, I never said that during the course of the election," he said.
"What I said was we would be able to spend the lion's share of that money, now the government is now able to spend, so people can say that there is more money available now for the NHS, categorically more, which is what's required and that's the key point."
http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1066101/thumbs/a-IAIN-DUNCAN-SMITH-640x468.jpg?6



Asked if Ukip leader Nigel Farage would be involved in the cross-party exit negotiations with Brussels, Mr Duncan Smith suggested the party's sole MP Douglas Carswell would be consulted.
"There is a Ukip MP who is part of that process in a parliamentary sense, and I'm very happy to discuss... with Ukip about what their expectations are, but the government itself, right now, actually dictates how this will happen," he said.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36633595


IDS taking some control

:clap1:

[kirklancaster]

A liar that as misled the gullible and has expressed a desire to dismantle the NHS which plenty of UK citizens rely on to live? What a hero.

We are referring to Farage - NOT Fuhrer Juncker and his underlings Cameron and Osborne. :shrug:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Not remainers turning into remoaners?

:laugh:

:joker:


They seem to want everything to go wrong with the UK just to vindicate them and soothe the fact they lost?

crazy:shrug:

[GiRTh]

Patriotism is a foolish concept that exists only to shame and discredit anyone who dares think differently.:clap1:

[Jack_]

Quoting you own posts how cool. :joker:

:umm2: quoting my own post to contextualise where the content of the article originates from...

Being poor at spelling and grammar how cool :joker:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Patriotism is a foolish concept that exists only to shame and discredit anyone who dares think differently.


So you are having a go at the Irish at the Euros and the Welsh?


:shrug:

[user104658]

You comfort yourself son in clutching your solitary straw tight, hold it aloft in triumph, but do not fool yourself that anyone can see your self-satisfaction, because they cannot; for you are buried under 10 billion tons of straw - all the lies of the 'Remain' campaigners which you absorbed, believed, and still do.

Farage is not perfect, but he is the most honest, eloquent politician in Great Britain.

That poisoned dwarf Sturgeon who shames Scotland, wishes to DESTROY her country for her own twisted prejudices, Farage wants to MEND his country for its inhabitant's cause.
:nono: we're not talking about sturgeon or any of the remain campaigners, or if he's "more" honest than the others. We're talking about whether Farage individually, aside from comparison, is an "honest man", or a bare-faced liar who knowingly lied to his own supporters.

He is the latter. He backtracked on something fundamental to winning over the hearts of voters, not 24 hours after achieving his life long goal. Unless you are trying to tell me that he didn't know that the figures were fudged days, weeks, MONTHS earlier... Then the man has shown himself to be a liar. Full stop. Pointing out that Nicola Sturgeon likes to pile on the bull**** now and then too doesn't change that. I did point out that I believe this to be true of all politicians by nature. I'm just oh-so-pleased that we now have concrete evidence to cite when people ludicrously claim that Farage is somehow different...

[joeysteele]

The day I ever listen to or believe Ian Duncan Smith on anything at all is a day that will never come for me.

[Kizzy]

Not remainers turning into remoaners?

:laugh:

I proclaim you king of the soundbite, have you ever considered writing straplines for 'the sun'? :fan:

[Crimson Dynamo]

The day I ever listen to or believe Ian Duncan Smith on anything at all is a day that will never come for me.

Joey I predict you will be a tory by the end of this year so you have to soften your stance on him a little:joker:

[user104658]

The day I ever listen to or believe Ian Duncan Smith on anything at all is a day that will never come for me.
I was about to say, talk about scraping the bottom of the barrel. IDS of all people :joker:

[_Tom_]

Farage has outed himself as a bare-faced liar, not two days ago. He had a ****ing BUS with his lies splattered on the side. Truth indeed. You have a very odd definition of it. "Lie your face off to achieve whatever your goal happens to be and then take it all back" - the mantra of most if not all politicians - and it has been irrefutably proven that Farage is no different.

Don't keep using lies please. That wasn't Farage's bus - that was Boris's and the Vote Leave campaign's bus. Nigel was excluded from the Leave campaign but is being made a scapegoat for that statement.

[user104658]

I proclaim you king of the soundbite, have you ever considered writing straplines for 'the sun'? :fan:
The sun isn't ready for zingers like that, come on now.

[Alf]

Joey I predict you will be a tory by the end of this year so you have to soften your stance on him a little:joker:I'm pedicting Joey will be UKIP.

[Tom4784]

We are referring to Farage - NOT Fuhrer Juncker and his underlings Cameron and Osborne. :shrug:

My comment still stands, patriotism is a dangerous thing.

[user104658]

:joker:


They seem to want everything to go wrong with the UK just to vindicate them and soothe the fact they lost?

crazy:shrug:
Want? No. Wanting and expecting are not the same.

I said on another thread that I'll be ecstatic to be proven wrong, I just don't see it happening.

[arista]

[MP Douglas Carswell would be consulted.
"There is a Ukip MP who is part of that process in a parliamentary sense"]

Yes LT
he is the one MP
who can consult
with the new Conservative Leave PM.

[Tom4784]

So you are having a go at the Irish at the Euros and the Welsh?


:shrug:

I'm having a go at anyone who lets their patriotism blind them to sense and reason.

[user104658]

Don't keep using lies please. That wasn't Farage's bus - that was Boris's and the Vote Leave campaign's bus. Nigel was excluded from the Leave campaign but is being made a scapegoat for that statement.
Ahh, so now we're rewriting history and pretending that Farage never suggested that EU millions would go to the NHS. In fact he was saying it would be privatised all along!

[Kizzy]

Don't keep using lies please. That wasn't Farage's bus - that was Boris's and the Vote Leave campaign's bus. Nigel was excluded from the Leave campaign but is being made a scapegoat for that statement.

He reiterated the £350m figure emblazoned on the side of the bus countless times across many debates, that in itself was the biggest lie which most faux patriot brexiteers believed.

ergo he is a liar.

[Tom4784]

Ahh, so now we're rewriting history and pretending that Farage never suggested that EU millions would go to the NHS. In fact he was saying it would be privatised all along!

Let's not forget when he promised to resign if the last election didn't go well for him and he didn't.

He has a history of lying.

[Cherie]

Is that what you think? Is your mentality really to think Im killing ther buzz? :joker: Thats funny. Grim but amusing. Do you think im "buzzing" ?
Im suprised at you to be honest. Not so much quite a few others on here but i thought you were a bit brighter than that.

No one shines as bright as you Bob :unsure:

[arista]

I'm having a go at anyone who lets their patriotism blind them to sense and reason.


No its more than that
Dezzy.

[bots]

Let's not forget when he promised to resign if the last election didn't go well for him and he didn't.

He has a history of lying.

the guy is an idiot. He had conceded defeat prior to a vote being counted, he then accused Cameron of fixing the result, before then claiming victory, for a project he wasn't an official representative for :joker:

[arista]

the guy is an idiot. He had conceded defeat prior to a vote being counted, he then accused Cameron of fixing the result, before then claiming victory, for a project he wasn't an official representative for :joker:


Only Because of Bad BBC reporting

ITV News Live called it a Hour before
the Slow BBC

[Cherie]

I don't really get that we must all roll up our sleeves and get on with it, get on with what exactly ? Is this what people do when their party doesn't win an election..no ..and they have the comfort that in 5 years there will be a chance for change, the ramifications of this vote will be sinking in for months, yet we are not meant to speak about it ..no that won't be happening

[bots]

Only Because of Bad BBC reporting

ITV News Live called it a Hour before
the Slow BBC

lol bollocks, he said that they were beaten prior to a single vote being counted. Its not the BBC's fault that they filmed him saying it :joker:

[joeysteele]

Joey I predict you will be a tory by the end of this year so you have to soften your stance on him a little:joker:

I am a Conservative in part, I do believe the Conservatives are good with the economy,I can see a lot of good in the Conservative party and know they have really good, consensus people among their ranks,as all parties do.

I just have new priorities which experience has drawn me to.
For me because I believe now that Labour has a heart and would now do far more for the sick, disabled and most vulnerable,(more than they ever did,when they could have, to protect them when in govt).
I have though set myself with that party now.

However, I now do feel let down myself by Corbyn,I didn't vote for him as leader.
I also feel all supporters of parties should be served by one of the best candidates and leader available and for me Corbyn is not one of the best now.

Had I lived in Scotland now,it would have been the SNP I was drawn to there, I admired Alex Salmond and now do also Nicola Sturgeon and near all the SNP have done in govt.

There is good and not so good all over all parties, I can see that and look for that good.
It is the far extremes I dislike as to all of them.

However as to Ian Duncan Smith, I have witnessed way too many people who suffered at the hands of his policies, so for me he is a certain write off.

Finally, Nigel Farage, for me he is the one who who really over decades fought for and got this referendum.

For me, he should have led the leave campaign, being the only real unwavering credible figure of same.
Clearly I do not agree with him as to that or other policy but I do think his sincerity to that cause can never be questioned justifiably.

[Tom4784]

I don't really get that we must all roll up our sleeves and get on with it, get on with what exactly ? Is this what people do when their party doesn't win an election..no ..and they have the comfort that in 5 years there will be a chance for change, the ramifications of this vote will be sinking in for months, yet we are not meant to speak about it ..no that won't be happening

Exactly, this has split the UK in half and one half has to simply put up and shut up with it because the winning side said so and want to brag in peace?

What about NI and Scotland who voted remain but it ultimately didn't matter because England will always have the final say? How frustrating it must be for them. I seriously hope they get their own referendums for independence.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Let's not forget when he promised to resign if the last election didn't go well for him and he didn't.

He has a history of lying.

Nigel Farage is to remain as UKIP leader after the party rejected his resignation.

Mr Farage had previously said he would stand down after failing to win a seat in last week's general election.

But the party said there was "overwhelmingly evidence" that UKIP members did not want Mr Farage to go.

Writing in the Telegraph, Mr Farage said he had been "reluctant", but decided he "owed it to the party to stay" on as leader.

Source: various



so looks like he isnt the liar but someone else is?


:hee:

[Crimson Dynamo]

I am a Conservative in part, I do believe the Conservatives are good with the economy,I can see a lot of good in the Conservative party and know they have really good, consensus people among their ranks,as all parties do.

I just have new priorities which experience has drawn me to.
For me because I believe now that Labour has a heart and would now do far more for the sick, disabled and most vulnerable,(more than they ever did,when they could have, to protect them when in govt).
I have though set myself with that party now.

However, I now do feel let down myself by Corbyn,I didn't vote for him as leader.
I also feel all supporters of parties should be served by one of the best candidates and leader available and for me Corbyn is not one of the best now.

Had I lived in Scotland now,it would have been the SNP I was drawn to there, I admired Alex Salmond and now do also Nicola Sturgeon and near all the SNP have done in govt.

There is good and not so good all over all parties, I can see that and look for that good.
It is the far extremes I dislike as to all of them.

However as to Ian Duncan Smith, I have witnessed way too many people who suffered at the hands of his policies, so for me he is a certain write off.

Finally, Nigel Farage, for me he is the one who who really over decades fought for and got this referendum.

For me, he should have led the leave campaign, being the only real unwavering credible figure of same.
Clearly I do not agree with him as to that or other policy but I do think his sincerity to that cause can never be questioned justifiably.

:clap1:

[Kizzy]

Nigel Farage is to remain as UKIP leader after the party rejected his resignation.

Mr Farage had previously said he would stand down after failing to win a seat in last week's general election.

But the party said there was "overwhelmingly evidence" that UKIP members did not want Mr Farage to go.

Writing in the Telegraph, Mr Farage said he had been "reluctant", but decided he "owed it to the party to stay" on as leader.

Source: various



so looks like he isnt the liar but someone else is?


:hee:

Nope he definitely is a liar.

[joeysteele]

Exactly, this has split the UK in half and one half has to simply put up and shut up with it because the winning side said so and want to brag in peace?

What about NI and Scotland who voted remain but it ultimately didn't matter because England will always have the final say? How frustrating it must be for them. I seriously hope they get their own referendums for independence.

I agree and it is true the UK is split in half on this, this is the point I was trying to make yesterday, it cannot be said that all the Nations of the UK have an equal place in it when the largest can always dictate the results to the rest.

The Scots voted,62% to 38% to remain in the EU as a percentage of their electorate.
The Welsh voted 52.5% to 47.5% to leave from the same status.

Northern Ireland voted as to their percentage of electorate,55.8% to 44.2% to remain in the EU.

England from their population and electorate status voted only by 53.4% to 46.6% to leave.

Of course the UK is split, 2 of its Nations voted to remain and 2 to leave.
As a percentage,those voting to remain did so by a greater margin.

However in comes England with its bigger population and therefore able to override the decisions of the other 3 even collectively.
Now either all the Nations have an equal seat at the UK table or they don't.

Ignoring the votes of all the 4 Nations here and just accepting the votes really of the largest,pushing the others aside, is bound to cause division, frustration, anger and disillusionment too.

[Northern Monkey]

Scotland should have another referendum if they think they could actually survive outside the UK.

[the truth]

if scotland have another one and vote to leave can we have another eu referendum? where do these neverendums end?

[Cherie]

Scotland should have another referendum if they think they could actually survive outside the UK.

I would like to see the back of LT to be fair

[Cherie]

if scotland have another one and vote to leave can we have another eu referendum? where do these neverendums end?

Neverendums :joker:

[Tom4784]

Nigel Farage is to remain as UKIP leader after the party rejected his resignation.

Mr Farage had previously said he would stand down after failing to win a seat in last week's general election.

But the party said there was "overwhelmingly evidence" that UKIP members did not want Mr Farage to go.

Writing in the Telegraph, Mr Farage said he had been "reluctant", but decided he "owed it to the party to stay" on as leader.

Source: various



so looks like he isnt the liar but someone else is?


:hee:

Please, like that actually happened. He had no intention of going anywhere, it was all an empty gesture to get him out of his promise.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I would like to see the back of LT to be fair

makes a change from the pms wanting to see my front..


:idc:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Please, like that actually happened. He had no intention of going anywhere, it was all an empty gesture to get him out of his promise.

Dezzy I know you like Nigel I just wish you would come out?

[user104658]

Scotland should have another referendum if they think they could actually survive outside the UK.
Fingers crossed. Sadly I honestly don't trust that it would be an independence result. If the vote was held today I reckon it could easily be 60/40 to split but after a "No" campaign has had a chance to weave a Web of lies like last time? Meh. We were duped out of it last time and it would probably just happen again. It's genuinely getting too hard to continue to hope. :bawling:

... Yeah thats a bit dramatic. But seriously, I have very little faith at this point, three votes in a year and nothing but disappointment after campaigns filled with nothing but lies and fear. It's draining.

[Black Dagger]

Patriotism is a foolish concept that exists only to shame and discredit anyone who dares think differently.

:clap1:

Who gives a **** about being patriotic, you're simply born and live in a place, what is there to really be prideful about?

[Scarlett.]

Can we all agreed that both Labour and Conservatives seem to be running around like headless chickens?

[joeysteele]

Can we all agreed that both Labour and Conservatives seem to be running around like headless chickens?

Yes, certainly for me.

Although now apparently the Lib Dems too are joining the chaos and now going to set themselves up as a party to take the UK back into the EU.

[jaxie]

Exactly, this has split the UK in half and one half has to simply put up and shut up with it because the winning side said so and want to brag in peace?

What about NI and Scotland who voted remain but it ultimately didn't matter because England will always have the final say? How frustrating it must be for them. I seriously hope they get their own referendums for independence.

And wouldn't it have been exactly the same had it gone the other way? Or is only the evil leavers who would have had to put up and shut up? What about the 39% of Scots who voted to leave the EU? Is their vote less valid than the 60 odd percent who voted to stay? Is your vote more valid than mine, is mine more valid than yours? Of course not. It's democracy. The majority wins.

If I were you I would be more worried about the implication of the little noises in the EU about not letting others in the EU who might want a referendum have one. Now that smacks of dictatorship.