Eurovision Grand Final discussion thread BBC1 18/05 8pm

[reece(:]

Of course his family will blame Brexit, they can't say him and his song are ****

[Amy Jade]

i would never vote for UK :fan:

Why?

If we sent a genuinely wonderful song you liked you wouldn't vote for us based on what?

[sleleen]

Remember when Poland won last night:love:

[Shaun]

Current UK iTunes chart positions:

#3 - Norway :clap1:
#6 - Netherlands
#20 - Azerbaijan
#22 - Switzerland
#23 - Sweden
#29 - Italy
#37 - Australia
#38 - Estonia
#41 - Czech Republic
#42 - Denmark
#53 - Cyprus
#56 - Another version of Norway
#62 - Malta
#67 - Russia
#68 - Iceland
#73 - Netta with Nana Banana :joker:
#74 - Spain
#81 - Mans with Heroes
#91 - Belarus
#104 - Netta with Toy
#106 - Slovenia :umm2:
#128 - Greece
#147 - Eleni Foureira - Fuego
#172 - San Marino

and nothing for Serbia, France, Germany, North Macedonia, Albania or Israel.

Ignoring our own because it's at #17 and we're obviously gonna support our own... although this further backs up my point: Lucie Jones was the first to chart even in our own country since Blue back in 2011. If we can't even listen to our own song, why should Europe vote for it?

[Shaun]

I'm really surprised by Norway cracking the top 10, let alone #3 and above the actual winner :love: we stan the public winners

[Denver]

I'm really surprised by Norway cracking the top 10, let alone #3 and above the actual winner :love: we stan the public winners

Well the public gave them the 12

[Crimson Dynamo]

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[Nicky91]

Duncan from least popular artist here to hero :flutter:

my parents didn't believe in him at his reveal some months, and i did :D

[Liam-]

Rightful winner Norway storming the charts :love:

[Denver]

How is he a hero

[sleleen]

Duncan from least popular artist here to hero :flutter:

my parents didn't believe in him at his reveal some months, and i did :D

He was the bookies fave since day one.......

[Denver]

The Norwegian broadcaster should put a complaint in, their jury performance had technical issues but they were denied a 2nd chance but then were clearly marked down

[Nicky91]

How is he a hero

He was the bookies fave since day one.......

he was our least known artist, and now everyone here loves him :D

[Nicky91]

The Norwegian broadcaster should put a complaint in, their jury performance had technical issues but they were denied a 2nd chance but then were clearly marked down

Norway had no rights to complain EBU said

[Liam-]

Is it time the jury votes were scrapped? They’re clearly very out of touch with what the public are interested in, they’re ruining people’s chances by low-balling fun, upbeat songs, are they needed?

In a year where the winner didn’t too either the public, or the jury vote, doesn’t it really have a benefit to the competition?

[Nicky91]

Is it time the jury votes were scrapped? They’re clearly very out of touch with what the public are interested in, they’re ruining people’s chances by low-balling fun, upbeat songs, are they needed?

no, we don't need upbeat fun song winners at eurovision ;)

[Denver]

Norway had no rights to complain EBU said

Because they were fixing it for the Dutch, there was speculation it would happen and it did

[Nicky91]

those are feelingless songs only for the joke and attention :bored:

[Nicky91]

Because they were fixing it for the Dutch, there was speculation it would happen and it did

:clap1: :clap1:

i am a proud dutch :cheer2: :cheer2:

[Denver]

Like Holland is the most boring country on the planet, who wants to go there

[Nicky91]

Like Holland is the most boring country on the planet, who wants to go there

:facepalm: ffs


don't you try to bring me down, cuz you won't succeed at that

[Liam-]

Surprisingly, hotels aren’t that expensive for the general time of the show next year, definitely gonna try and go

[Crimson Dynamo]

Israel put on good show

bit worried about Holland in this respect?

[Nicky91]

british being very salty on here i notice :laugh3: :laugh3:


be crazy next year and send that newly formation of spice girls with new song

[Nicky91]

Israel put on good show

bit worried about Holland in this respect?

so what, you are Always negative anyway :idc:

[Nicky91]

we don't need stars like madonna, we have our own dutch artists and entertainers for interval acts

[Crimson Dynamo]

we don't need stars like madonna, we have our own dutch artists and entertainers for interval acts

this is what im worried about

[Nicky91]

this is what im worried about

then don't watch the show, we don't need negative moaners next year :hmph:

[thisisdanny]

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Wasn't it 253 points? :smug:

[Crimson Dynamo]

then don't watch the show, we don't need negative moaners next year :hmph:

hopefully the interval will be proper British talent like say Steps to help the thing along

:fc:

[Nicky91]

hopefully the interval will be proper British talent like say Steps to help the thing along

:fc:

ew :yuk:

we don't need that, uk who finishes last place don't have to offer us anything

[Liam-]

hopefully the interval will be proper British talent like say Steps to help the thing along

:fc:

Show them what real talent looks like, no fake piano needed :amazed:

[Nicky91]

Show them what real talent looks like, no fake piano needed :amazed:

you can't play instruments live, you need to playback ;)

[Crimson Dynamo]

hast the dutch song been a hit already, I read this ?

:suspect:

[Nicky91]

hast the dutch song been a hit already, I read this ?

:suspect:

in 2017 which is against the rules, we love breaking the rules and it is allowed by EBU :flutter:

[Liam-]

hast the dutch song been a hit already, I read this ?

:suspect:

It was written in 2017, which is against the rules, so it should have been disqualified, but for some reason they decided to rig it for them instead :idc:

We should a classic next year if that’s allowed now

[Nicky91]

It was written in 2017, which is against the rules, so it should have been disqualified, but for some reason they decided to rig it for them instead :idc:

We should a classic next year if that’s allowed now

or just stop moaning :idc: and vote for something better in your national final :hehe:


we dutch will do very well at our contest hosting, no drama, no conflicts just fun and love for music :love: :love:

[Calderyon]

Nicky360 strikes again, it seems.

[Nicky91]

Cald, i was being cornered D:


and btw my mom said on celine dion's facebook page ''maybe you should come as interval act to eurovision song contest next year, i bet you can sing better than madonna did last night in tel aviv''


i would love if we got celine next year, where it all started for her :flutter:

[Nicky91]

anyway i don't like rigging myself either, we won on televote and not jury vote

juries were more for north Macedonia, sweden ;)


israel's 3 shows i also found lots of fun, so yeah i hope we dutch can also give 3 pretty good shows

i will be your informative guide i guess, as for possible presenters, possible host cities, if the venue is great or not, and you guys don't know our music artists that well so give them a chance :hee:

[Shaun]

Wasn't it 253 points? :smug:

253pts would've caused a tie.

[Shaun]

It was written in 2017, which is against the rules, so it should have been disqualified, but for some reason they decided to rig it for them instead :idc:

We should a classic next year if that’s allowed now

perched for us to submit Ella Henderson's "Glow" next year

[Liam-]

perched for us to submit Ella Henderson's "Glow" next year

Winner confirmed

[Vanessa]

I see a spirit in the sky, when northern lights are dancing :dance:

[TwentyOneThrones]

this is what im worried about

All the Dutch artists that have ever been relevant only ever hit a play button when they perform. Yikes.

[Black Dagger]

then don't watch the show, we don't need negative moaners next year :hmph:

You literally moan at everything.

[Barry.]

It was written in 2017, which is against the rules, so it should have been disqualified, but for some reason they decided to rig it for them instead :idc:

We should a classic next year if that’s allowed now

No it's not. If it's been played on radio or been in the charts it's against the rules.

[Shaun]

If it's been played on radio or been in the charts it's against the rules.

In that case we are sending Louisa Johnson's YES!

[Vanessa]

My country always sends the winner of the Samremo festival to Eurovision. Hope next year we have another good one :fc::laugh:

[Amy Jade]

ew :yuk:

we don't need that, uk who finishes last place don't have to offer us anything

Apart from the money to run it, eh?

[Shaun]

I've said it in here before but we need to take it more seriously. Having Mel Giedroyc run around for an hour interviewing musical dullards like Mollie King whilst making crude jokes and allowing Mans Zelmerlow to flex his ego a bit more is just doing nothing for our musical reputation.

We distance our pop from Europe because we see it as beneath us, we just stick to a few big cities whenever our artists go out on tours (Paris, Berlin, Barcelona, Rome, nowhere else).

We need a complete attitude overhaul but it won't happen because we're little Britain and we find it easier to just throw our dummy out of the pram and say "it must be Europe that's in the wrong". Nah. We just send crap that even we don't want to listen to.

[Vanessa]

I've said it in here before but we need to take it more seriously. Having Mel Giedroyc run around for an hour interviewing musical dullards like Mollie King whilst making crude jokes and allowing Mans Zelmerlow to flex his ego a bit more is just doing nothing for our musical reputation.

We distance our pop from Europe because we see it as beneath us, we just stick to a few big cities whenever our artists go out on tours (Paris, Berlin, Barcelona, Rome, nowhere else).

We need a complete attitude overhaul but it won't happen because we're little Britain and we find it easier to just throw our dummy out of the pram and say "it must be Europe that's in the wrong". Nah. We just send crap that even we don't want to listen to.
They need to send credible artists. There are many in the UK.

[Amy Jade]

They need to send credible artists. There are many in the UK.

Who would Do it though really?

[Vanessa]

Who would Do it though really?

Adele could win the whole thing. But admittedly she wouldn't do it.

[Amy Jade]

Adele could win the whole thing. But admittedly she wouldn't do it.

I think Shaun made a great point tbf, we keep sending duds. The best we have sent in years was Lucie and she did fine in the jury vote.

Adele would probably be awesome but she'd never do it and I can't think of anyone who would.

[Vanessa]

I think Shaun made a great point tbf, we keep sending duds. The best we have sent in years was Lucie and she did fine in the jury vote.

Adele would probably be awesome but she'd never do it and I can't think of anyone who would.

Ed Sheeran maybe ? He would be popular.

[Shaun]

I don't think we need to send someone of the calibre of Adele, Ed Sheeran, Sam Smith, etc because they're all already hugely successful. Same reason you don't get Sweden sending Zara Larsson and Robyn, or Norway sending Sigrid.

But I think if the BBC are going to continue to hold the threshold on who we send, then tying it in with the annual "BBC Sound of...." lists they come up with would be a great gateway for the pop musicians we are supposedly so keen to promote. The only problem here is that "Sound Of..." also promotes other countries' acts (Billie Eilish, Sigrid, ROSALIA, ALMA in the past 2 years).

If burgeoning popstars turn it down and refuse to perform for 200+ million potential listeners then that's their problem. I just wonder if we even offer the likes of recent British popstars like RAYE, Charli XCX, Jack Garratt, Rag n Bone Man, Dua Lipa, Stefflon Don etc. the chance? Or just take the easy route and assemble some nobodies that were in a musical once.

[Vanessa]

Dua Lipa would be interesting, I think.

[Twosugars]

I've said it in here before but we need to take it more seriously. Having Mel Giedroyc run around for an hour interviewing musical dullards like Mollie King whilst making crude jokes and allowing Mans Zelmerlow to flex his ego a bit more is just doing nothing for our musical reputation.

We distance our pop from Europe because we see it as beneath us, we just stick to a few big cities whenever our artists go out on tours (Paris, Berlin, Barcelona, Rome, nowhere else).

We need a complete attitude overhaul but it won't happen because we're little Britain and we find it easier to just throw our dummy out of the pram and say "it must be Europe that's in the wrong". Nah. We just send crap that even we don't want to listen to.

:clap1:

[Amy Jade]

That's why people refusing to do it make me laugh.

Even if you lose your song is heard by 100's of millions of people!

[Vanessa]

That's why people refusing to do it make me laugh.

Even if you lose your song is heard by 100's of millions of people!

Exactly.

[Liam-]

Norway lost and they’re storming the British charts, Eurovision is the biggest music audience in the world, it’s a false economy to refuse doing it

[Vanessa]

Norway lost and they’re storming the British charts, Eurovision is the biggest music audience in the world, it’s a false economy to refuse doing it

Norway song has to be one of the best the show has ever had. Can't stop listening to it. And dancing :dance:

[Morgan.]

I remember when we nearly sent Rita Ora but she didn’t want to do it in fear of it ruining her career and she didn’t want to end up on Splash :skull:

[Amy Jade]

I remember when we nearly sent Rita Ora but she didn’t want to do it in fear of it ruining her career and she didn’t want to end up on Splash :skull:

Yet she did X Factor...

[joeysteele]

Norway song has to be one of the best the show has ever had. Can't stop listening to it. And dancing :dance:

It was really good.
Glad the public saw that.

[Nicky91]

Norway's song is a copy of saara aalto monsters :joker: cannot believe people falling for that :laugh3: :laugh3:

[Black Dagger]

****ing bore off.

[Nicky91]

https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/9109004/eurovision-michael-rice-brexit-blame-elton-john-gary-barlow/?utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=sunmaintwitter&utm_source=Twitter

exactly Michael :clap1: :clap1: that vile brexit is the reason for your last place

[Vanessa]

Norway's song is a copy of saara aalto monsters :joker: cannot believe people falling for that :laugh3: :laugh3:

I like the bits where they're singing in the sami dialect. All three of them have amazing voices.

[Vanessa]

It was really good.
Glad the public saw that.

They 291 points from the public. Shame the jury let thsm down, I.think it should have won. This or Soldi.

[Liam-]

****ing bore off.

:joker:

[Calderyon]

Norway song has to be one of the best the show has ever had. Can't stop listening to it. And dancing :dance:

It's good, but the hoiling ruins it somewhat.

[Black Dagger]

https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/9109004/eurovision-michael-rice-brexit-blame-elton-john-gary-barlow/?utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=sunmaintwitter&utm_source=Twitter

exactly Michael :clap1: :clap1: that vile brexit is the reason for your last place

No. The fact he had a weak song and an unmemorable performance coming just after the televote winner and before Iceland was his downfall.

[Nicky91]

No. The fact he had a weak song and an unmemorable performance coming just after the televote winner and before Iceland was his downfall.

his performance wasn't that bad, my parents liked it too :hee:

[Vanessa]

It's good, but the hoiling ruins it somewhat.

That was my favourite part. :joker:

[sleleen]

The jury was an absolute mess, two jurors ranked in reverse which meant poland should of qualified instead of belarus, austria should’ve finished last instead of ireland, also north macedonia actually won the jury vote and malta should’ve been three places higher, really annoyed since poland was my 2nd fave and malta and north macedonia were also faves of mine

[Vanessa]

Norway had technically difficulties during their jury performance. That is why they lost points. Thank god the public made up for it.
But still, they were robbed.

[Liam-]

I’ve grown to actually love Soldi

[Vanessa]

I’ve grown to actually love Soldi

Same. I wasn't convinced when he won Sanremo, but now I love the song !

[Shaun]

Soldi, SitS, She Got Me and Hatrid mun Sigra are the only 4 I'll probably listen to on repeat, and have done since last week :laugh:

Chameleon is a lot better on record than performed live, though

[bots]

i was glad to hear the uk did so well this time

[Calderyon]

That was my favourite part. :joker:

Definitely my least favorite parts of the song.

[Shaun]

The full jury results have been released and because stuff like this fascinates me, a look at our best placings:

- One Hungarian judge put as at #2, and one Portuguese judge did too.
- One Armenian person put us at #3
- One Croatian person put us at #4
- Two Israeli judges put us at #4 and #5 but two others said #19 and #20 so we ended up 11th and missed out by one place </3
- One Danish person put us at #5
- Two Swedes put us at #6 but two others put us at #22 (Lina Hedlund, of Alcazar fame) :joker: and #18, meaning we ended up 13th overall in their ranking

And then the Cypriot chairperson put us dead last :clap1: a man of taste.
The entire Azerbaijan jury placed us 20th or worse :love:
Australia put us second from last :love:

Every single member of our jury put North Macedonia in the top two :unsure:

[Denver]

North Macedonia was the best vocal performance ever

[Barry.]

North Macedonia was the best vocal performance ever

Not ever but she was good.

[Nicky91]

Not ever but she was good.

this :)


the song isn't that special, but the way Tamara delivered it was something great with lots of emotion

[LukeB]

Meh winners..I'm quite surprised Australia placed 9th i thought it would win or placed top 5.

my top 5 were
1.Italy
2.Australia
3.Cyprus
4.Norway
5.Switzerland

Low key liked Czech Republic and Estonia.

[Nicky91]

https://eurovisionworld.com/esc/eurovision-2019-the-mysterious-points-from-belarus-jury

random jury votes from Belarus, they hated israel's song but they randomly just gave them 12 pts :hehe:

[Twosugars]

this :)


the song isn't that special, but the way Tamara delivered it was something great with lots of emotion

She was great

[Calderyon]

It was OK.

[Twosugars]

It was OK.

No. It was great.

[MTVN]

The UK's last-placed Eurovision Song Contest entry has had its score lowered by five points, organisers say.

A revision of scores means Michael Rice's song Bigger Than Us picked up only 11 points from Saturday's final.

The contest said an incorrect calculation had been used to create a "substitute" set of points after the Belarusian jury was dismissed.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-48375560

:skull:

[Crimson Dynamo]

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[Nicky91]

after 2010 last place came a good result, so maybe next year after this years last place :think:

[Calderyon]

No. It was great.

It was not.

[Twosugars]

It was not.

It was though

[Twosugars]

Nicky and Cald, do you have this new revised points table and if yes could you post it here?

[Morgan.]

Nicky and Cald, do you have this new revised points table and if yes could you post it here?

There is a thread about it

[Morgan.]

http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?t=356861

[Twosugars]

There is a thread about it

:o

thanks, Blurreh!

[Nicky91]

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btw this is morocco's only artist at eurovision, from 1980 contest she was a nobody back then, and after that (she flopped) but still Samira went on afterwards to become morocco's superstar diva in music

and this is one of her more recent songs of this year (still looking fab too for 61)

[Headie]

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Everyone doing the conga line to Spain's song :love:

[Nicky91]

https://eurovoix.com/2019/05/29/luxembourg-anne-marie-david-pushing-for-nations-eurovision-return/

former winner anne marie david is pushing for a luxembourg return to eurovision next year

and there also is a petition by luxembourgish esc fans who also want them to return to the contest

[sleleen]

Rewatched this last night! One of the strongest finals ever! Full of bops:love: