Harry and Meghan - Official Discussion Thread

[Ammi]

Prince Philip: Funeral to take place on Saturday and will be televised - with national silence at 3pm...



Prince Philip's funeral will take place next Saturday and will be televised to mark the duke's "vast contribution and lasting legacy".

Members of the public will not be allowed to attend as the proceedings have been scaled down due to the pandemic, but a national minute's silence will be held at 3pm before the funeral begins at St George's Chapel.

The proceedings will be kept within the confines of Windsor Castle and the Duke of Edinburgh's body will be carried to the West Steps in a Land Rover, which was specially designed by Philip himself.

Prince Harry will be travelling from his home in the United States to attend, although his pregnant wife Meghan has been advised not to travel.

Prince Philip dies - Live reaction from UK and around the world

There is no confirmation yet on the rest of the guest list, although under government guidance only 30 people will be allowed to attend.

Prime Minister Boris Johnson has approved a recommendation for a period of national mourning until next Saturday, according to a Palace source.

They also said the Royal Family will observe two weeks of royal mourning until 22 April, when they will continue engagements where appropriate and wear mourning bands.

It will not be a state funeral, which is usually reserved for the monarch, and is line with the duke's own wishes.

He will also not lie In state and his body remains at rest within a private chapel in Windsor Castle.

Having helped to draw up the details himself, the Duke of Edinburgh was said to have wanted little fuss at his funeral.

The arrangements, codenamed Forth Bridge after the Scottish landmark, have been in place for many years but have been adapted due to the coronavirus pandemic.

The Queen has had final approval of the updated plans, although the original plans were drawn up in consultation with the Duke of Edinburgh himself.

The arrangements will be fully in line with government guidance and guests will be adhering to social distancing rules.

No public processions will take place and the public is being urged not to turn up at the royal residences.

Lord Chamberlain Baron Parker of Minsmere, the most senior official at the royal household, is overseeing the arrangements and will ensure everything is kept to a strict timetable.

Tasked with staging the practical side of the day is the Queen's Comptroller Lieutenant Colonel Michael Vernon, while many others will be involved in the days ahead.

The proceedings were originally planned for 800 attendees in St George's Chapel.

The Queen's four children and their partners - the Prince of Wales and the Duchess of Cornwall, the Princess Royal and Vice Admiral Sir Timothy Laurence, the Duke of York, and the Earl and Countess of Wessex - will undoubtedly be present.

We can also expect Prince Philip's eight grandchildren to be there: Peter Phillips, Zara Tindall, the Duke of Cambridge, the Duke of Sussex, Princess Beatrice, Princess Eugenie, Lady Louise Windsor and Viscount Severn.

Meanwhile, future queen the Duchess of Cambridge is also expected to attend.

Members of the public have also joined in their mourning, with some becoming visibly emotional as they paid tribute outside the royal palaces.

People have been urged not to leave flowers at the royal residences to prevent crowds forming, instead being asked to donate to charity or sign an online book of condolence if they wish to pay tribute to the duke.

[jet]

Jfc, even being criticised for the way they grieve, do people want their heads on a stick or something?

I'll criticize them for whatever I want, the way they treated their very elderly grandparents was horrendous, with no thought for anyone but themselves.
Harry should have come over when his grandfather was dying to say goodbye and APOLOGISE for causing so much stress and hurt to him and the Queen at such an awful time in their lives and for adding to their distress.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Harry is travelling solo, Meghan is not travelling on doctors advice

The doctor must have watched the "interview" then as well

:laugh:

[rusticgal]

I am surprised Harry didnt come and see him when he came out of Hospital...he didnt look good. :shrug:

[Cherie]

The doctor must have watched the "interview" then as well

:laugh:

:laugh:

I am surprised Harry didnt come and see him when he came out of Hospital...he didnt look good. :shrug:

Maybe under covid rules he couldn't? I don't know how the rules apply to people who are ill

I think all things considered he will come to regret the timing of the Ophrah interview, he had no axe to grind with with his grandparents when all was said and done

[rusticgal]

:laugh:



Maybe under covid rules he couldn't? I don't know how the rules apply to people who are ill

I think all things considered he will come to regret the timing of the Ophrah interview, he had no axe to grind with with his grandparents when all was said and done



I think you can come from the USA but you have to self isolate.

As for the interview...I think he will regret doing it completely....

[Liam-]

Why would he regret doing the interview? He didn’t say anything bad about Phillip or Lizzie for that matter, unless we’re now suggesting that the interview caused his death nor or something

[jet]

I think you can come from the USA but you have to self isolate.

As for the interview...I think he will regret doing it completely....

I agree he'll regret it, and as it was mostly Meghan's interview trashing his family, he'll come to resent her for it.

[Cherie]

Why would he regret doing the interview? He didn’t say anything bad about Phillip or Lizzie for that matter, unless we’re now suggesting that the interview caused his death nor or something

no one is suggesting that at all

[Crimson Dynamo]

I agree he'll regret it, and as it was mostly Meghan's interview trashing his family, he'll come to resent her for it.

i would not be surprised that he isnt already regretting it

[rusticgal]

Why would he regret doing the interview? He didn’t say anything bad about Phillip or Lizzie for that matter, unless we’re now suggesting that the interview caused his death nor or something


No one has suggested that the interview caused his death..although I’m sure you are itching for someone to suggest it..:hee:

I think HE will regret doing the interview because the hurt it has caused his family by doing this publicly....it’s backfired on them both and the popularity he had in this country is no more....

[rusticgal]

I agree he'll regret it, and as it was mostly Meghan's interview trashing his family, he'll come to resent her for it.


I think when Harry comes here on his own it will be a great opportunity for him to put things right and build bridges. However...he could find himself piggy in the middle and torn between the two but he will obviously stand by Meghan...but things can fester and you are right, he may come to resent her for it.

[Vicky.]

She should be too ashamed to show her face, but I doubt it would be shame that would keep her away, it would be cowardice if anything.

Well yeah. If she doesn't go its cowardice of course. Attention seeking also, as surely the press will speculate and make it all about her. Best to stay away.

But if she did, it would be attention seeking and purposely causing trouble. And potentially putting her baby at risk. Might be worth going.

Tough call really.

[user104658]

The number of people suggesting that they know how Harry is feeling/what he is thinking/what he does or doesn't regret/that he'll resent his wife... :joker: complete and utter guesswork and you're all out here spouting it like it's facts. Just bizarre stuff really.

[Cherie]

The number of people suggesting that they know how Harry is feeling/what he is thinking/what he does or doesn't regret/that he'll resent his wife... :joker: complete and utter guesswork and you're all out here spouting it like it's facts. Just bizarre stuff really.

Preceeding posts with ‘i think’ or ‘I would not be surprised’ is not anything like spouting facts, its an opinion, give your head a wobble :laugh:

[GoldHeart]

Why would he regret doing the interview? He didn’t say anything bad about Phillip or Lizzie for that matter, unless we’re now suggesting that the interview caused his death nor or something

Agree

The guilt tripping is so silly

[Jordan.]

Why would he regret doing the interview? He didn’t say anything bad about Phillip or Lizzie for that matter, unless we’re now suggesting that the interview caused his death nor or something

It's all just BS, people pretending they care about Philip and Queen Liz's feelings and then using Philips death as a platform to guilt trip their grandson as if that's something they would want or approve of. The irony is clearly lost.

[user104658]

Preceeding posts with ‘i think’ or ‘I would not be surprised’ is not anything like spouting facts, its an opinion, give your head a wobble :laugh:

Plenty of examples of statements not being preceeded with anything at all though? Either way the belief people have that their opinions on this are sound when they might as well be saying anything. "Oh I think he'll rent a hot air balloon and simply sail across the atlantic on a warm puff of wind from the gulf stream, arriving exactly at the moment Philip's funeral begins, to shower the proceedings with signed photographs of Meghan. Those scums!"

[Tom4784]

It has to be pretend denial. Or maybe some are so invested in Meghan for some strange reason they just can't accept that she can do anything wrong, ever. It's quite weird really.

It's a shame, if you changed one word like so, your statement would have been more true.

'It has to be pretend denial. Or maybe some are so invested in Meghan for some strange reason they just can't accept that she can do anything right, ever. It's quite weird really.'

You were so close. So. Close.

I thought their 2 line 'tribute' had no warmth at all, as if he was practically a stranger.

Imagine writing such an ugly comment with confidence despite the fact that you do not know these people. Love the confidence, hate the entitlement that allows you to think you can accurately judge the strength of familial bonds of a family you have never met or have never known.

Beastly post.

[Tom4784]

Meghan grieving? :joker: Philip seen right through her, he was nobody's fool, which was why Harry hadn't spoken to him since 2019.

Again, you do not know anything about this family, you may think you do because you pay attention to gossip rags and rent-a-gobs that tell you what you want to hear, but you don't. You are not part of their lives, you do not know them, you have no actual clue what they are like, none of us do. We are all ignorant of their lives but most of us have the decency to let them grieve in peace, It's a shame some don't.

I just couldn't imagine judging someone who has just lost a family member and acting like they didn't love their grandad because I didn't like their statement. Who even thinks like that? The lack of common decency or empathy is quite frustrating to see. I hope, when the sad day comes when you lose someone, there isn't somebody judging you and making assumptions about your relationship to the deceased based purely on their dislike of you. I hope you never have to experience that, I truly do.

[rusticgal]

Preceeding posts with ‘i think’ or ‘I would not be surprised’ is not anything like spouting facts, its an opinion, give your head a wobble :laugh:



Do people not get the art of Conversation..:laugh:

[Cherie]

Do people not get the art of Conversation..:laugh:

Apparently not :laugh:

The word empathy is chucked around a lot, I don’t think it’s too much of a stretch to consider Harry might have a pang of remorse about attacking his family during a very stressful time for all of them, not sure what is so bad about pointing that out

[jet]

It's a shame, if you changed one word like so, your statement would have been more true.

'It has to be pretend denial. Or maybe some are so invested in Meghan for some strange reason they just can't accept that she can do anything right, ever. It's quite weird really.'

You were so close. So. Close.



Imagine writing such an ugly comment with confidence despite the fact that you do not know these people. Love the confidence, hate the entitlement that allows you to think you can accurately judge the strength of familial bonds of a family you have never met or have never known.

Beastly post.

I stand by my opinions on both counts. :)

Words from people I don't respect don't affect me in the slightest. :smug:

[AnnieK]

I do think it's quite galling that people are making Prince Philip's death about Meghan and Harry, whilst saying they have utmost respect for the Monarchy.....again, the shame of the interview is mentioned constantly and Andrew's indiscretions are glossed over. At the end of the day, a family patriarch has been lost, the family are grieving. I'm sure the Queen can do without the media storm tbh

[user104658]

I do think it's quite galling that people are making Prince Philip's death about Meghan and Harry, whilst saying they have utmost respect for the Monarchy.....again, the shame of the interview is mentioned constantly and Andrew's indiscretions are glossed over. At the end of the day, a family patriarch has been lost, the family are grieving. I'm sure the Queen can do without the media storm tbh


It’s certainly put to bed any argument that the criticisms of Harry and Meghan have anything at all to do with “respect for the monarchy”. It was a dubious claim to begin with, but it’s been highlighted as clearly false now.

[jet]

It’s certainly put to bed any argument that the criticisms of Harry and Meghan have anything at all to do with “respect for the monarchy”. It was a dubious claim to begin with, but it’s been highlighted as clearly false now.

Oh really? Imagine people being angry that while a 99 yr old grandfather was dying and his 95 year old wife was devastated, their grandson and his wife appear on global TV and try to damage the institution they had both spent 70 years dedicating their lives to.
What is clearly false is all the holier than thou and preachy posts from people who really don't give a damn about the monarchy, the Queen, or Prince Philip for that matter. It's all about not wanting any criticism of the 'can do no wrong' Harry and Meghan.
Family values and loyalty? Respect for the elderly. Who cares about things like that anymore, eh?

[AnnieK]

Oh really? Imagine people being angry that while a 99 yr old grandfather was dying and his 95 year old wife was devastated, their grandson and his wife appear on global TV and try to damage the institution they had both spent 70 years dedicating their lives to.
What is clearly false is all the holier than thou and preachy posts from people who really don't give a damn about the monarchy, the Queen, or Prince Philip for that matter. It's all about not wanting any criticism of the 'can do no wrong' Harry and Meghan.
Family values and loyalty? Respect for the elderly. Who cares about things like that anymore, eh?

This is what I am struggling to get to grips with in all this. Harry obviously has some deep seated resentment to the family, possibly because of the Monarchys response to his own mothers death and how that shaped his life. Family dynamics are so intricate, if you are not personally involved its so hard to be able to comment.

Harry wants to be with his family, they all want to grieve together, the media storm is not respectful for afamily who have lost a loved member. Its shameful in all honesty and will only add to the Queens grief

[Niamh.]

This is what I am struggling to get to grips with in all this. Harry obviously has some deep seated resentment to the family, possibly because of the Monarchys response to his own mothers death and how that shaped his life. Family dynamics are so intricate, if you are not personally involved its so hard to be able to comment.



Harry wants to be with his family, they all want to grieve together, the media storm is not respectful for afamily who have lost a loved member. Its shameful in all honesty and will only add to the Queens griefAbsolutely

[jet]

This is what I am struggling to get to grips with in all this. Harry obviously has some deep seated resentment to the family, possibly because of the Monarchys response to his own mothers death and how that shaped his life. Family dynamics are so intricate, if you are not personally involved its so hard to be able to comment.

Harry wants to be with his family, they all want to grieve together, the media storm is not respectful for afamily who have lost a loved member. Its shameful in all honesty and will only add to the Queens grief

Well he should deal with his resentment privately with his family or talk to his friends or his therapist, there is no excuse for what he and Meghan did and when they did it. NONE.

What media storm? I haven't seen anything in the papers or on TV other than Harry is coming to the UK and Meghan has been advised against it by a doctor. Nothing that could be described as a 'storm' in any way. :conf:

[AnnieK]

Well he should deal with his resentment privately with his family or talk to his friends or his therapist, there is no excuse for what he and Meghan did and when they did it. NONE.

What media storm? I haven't seen anything in the papers or on TV other than Harry is coming to the UK and Meghan has been advised against it by a doctor. Nothing that could be described as a 'storm' in any way. :conf:

Well we have had LT quoting polls.on whether people think Meghan should attend, every paper carrying similar, forums such as this saying she shouldn't return etc etc. I could go on if you like?

You say there is no excuse for what he did.....exactly what did he do that was so wrong? The racism thing? He ensured it was known that it was not his grandmother or grandfather involved.

There was no excuse for the Queens coldness after Diana died, you yourself said it cooled your feelings towards her. Harry may be exhibiting learned behaviour??

[jet]

Well we have had LT quoting polls.on whether people think Meghan should attend, every paper carrying similar, forums such as this saying she shouldn't return etc etc. I could go on if you like?

You say there is no excuse for what he did.....exactly what did he do that was so wrong? The racism thing? He ensured it was known that it was not his grandmother or grandfather involved.

There was no excuse for the Queens coldness after Diana died, you yourself said it cooled your feelings towards her. Harry may be exhibiting learned behaviour??

The Queen didn't go on global TV and tell the world that Diana's family was racist and and let her partner say how heartless Diana's family was and tell a lot of lies while Diana's beloved husband was lying dying.
THAT is what he did wrong. If you think that is fine, for me there is no point in discussing it with you any further. :sad:

[AnnieK]

Where have I 'bashed' Harry? Saying that a tribute didn't show warmth means to you that I was implying he mustn't love his grandfather? That is what you SO want it to mean because you are always so OTT dramatic and often so wrong because you think you are such a wonderful mind reader.

What you are really doing is weaponising the death of an elderly man to bash someone for not adoring Meghan like you do. :nono:

....and don't talk about respect for the elderly when you fail to criticize Meghan and Harry for what they did to their very elderly grandparents. The hypocrisy!

To be fair, most of the Royal houses just retweeted the official statement. That is not showing warmth either. It is an emotional time for them all, online sentiments are not even posted by them I would imagine. I hardly think that Kate, William, Charles etc are sat on insta at this time

[AnnieK]

The Queen didn't go on global TV and tell the world that Diana's family was racist and and let her partner say how heartless Diana's family was and tell a lot of lies while Diana's beloved husband was lying dying.
THAT is what he did wrong. If you think that is fine, for me there is no point in discussing it with you any further. :sad:

No the Queen was very conspicuous on her silence after the death of Diana...which spoke volumes to the British public. We have discussed this before Jet, you confirmed her behaviour was not cool. These are people, actual human beings, not robots. Sadly, due to birthright, things play out differently. Harry will be aware of family secrets that were allowed to play out in public....charles and camilla affair etc....maybe he wanted some kind of retribution for his mother after all these years.?? Who knows, as I said they are human.

What is upsetting.is there are more posts slagging Harry and meghan since HRHs death than there is in his thread, so I agree there is no point discussing it further. I would rather the family be left to grieve in peace

[jet]

Well we have had LT quoting polls.on whether people think Meghan should attend, every paper carrying similar, forums such as this saying she shouldn't return etc etc. I could go on if you like?



I bought quite a few papers and there were no such polls, so every paper isn't...
I only read one other forum, a royal one, which has been respectful and I doubt the Queen or any senior royals reads any such things, so why would she/they be upset? I doubt the Queen is currently scouring forums or online right now.

[jet]

No the Queen was very conspicuous on her silence after the death of Diana...which spoke volumes to the British public. We have discussed this before Jet, you confirmed her behaviour was not cool. These are people, actual human beings, not robots. Sadly, due to birthright, things play out differently. Harry will be aware of family secrets that were allowed to play out in public....charles and camilla affair etc....maybe he wanted some kind of retribution for his mother after all these years.?? Who knows, as I said they are human.

What is upsetting.is there are more posts slagging Harry and meghan since HRHs death than there is in his thread, so I agree there is no point discussing it further. I would rather the family be left to grieve in peace

I agree, the Queen's behaviour wasn't cool at all, but neither was Diana's - as much as I loved her, she wasn't perfect and I didn't agree with her doing her interview either - as I predicted at the time she bitterly regretted it later. I think Harry will too - as he should!
But we'll leave it there. :wavey:

[Ammi]

...even for a few days until he was laid to rest, Philip couldn’t be shown enough respect to have it about him...this thread is horrendous...but then the hate is fed so...

[Cherie]

...even for a few days until he was laid to rest, Philip couldn’t be shown enough respect to have it about him...this thread is horrendous...but then the hate is fed so...

There was much more disrespect shown in Philips thread with the constant moaning about coverage imo

[joeysteele]

...even for a few days until he was laid to rest, Philip couldn’t be shown enough respect to have it about him...this thread is horrendous...but then the hate is fed so...

This thread is horrendous.
You're so right there.

Prince Philip has been in Prince Harry's life, all his life.
I'd imagine no matter the current problems with the family, that Prince Harry will be deeply upset at the death of his Grandfather.

As to respect, I can't say for sure as I didn't know Prince Philip, however, I'm as sure as I personally can be, that Prince Philip himself would be more than likely filled with contempt for those tearing to pieces his Grandson AND his Grandson's CHOSEN wife too.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I do think it's quite galling that people are making Prince Philip's death about Meghan and Harry, whilst saying they have utmost respect for the Monarchy.....again, the shame of the interview is mentioned constantly and Andrew's indiscretions are glossed over. At the end of the day, a family patriarch has been lost, the family are grieving. I'm sure the Queen can do without the media storm tbh

1. this is a thread about harry and meghan and of course members will discuss their attendance at the funeral of Philip (just as ALL media are doing) and this is the tread to do it.

2. this is a thread about harry and meghan so noone will be discussing andrew. as i have said many times there is an andrew thread to discuss him (noone does).

3. there is no "media storm"

[Crimson Dynamo]

The readers of the Daily mail are none too happy about the announcement that Meghan is not coming to the funeral. Top comments from the article:

"How convenient... Funny she was allowed to fly to her baby shower at 8 months! She knows she is not welcome Hope she doesnt stop Harry going with 'an emergency' I'm sure little Archie wont grace uk soil again."


"Did she ask her doctor the affects her interview full of lies would have on Prince Philip who at 99 years old was in hospital recovering from heart surgery or the affect it would have on HRH Queen Elizabeth who at 94 years old was dealing with the illness of her husband of 73 years.....especially with all the lies...."

:shocked:

[jet]

Yes, all the faux outrage is simply another tactic to have a dig at people they don’t agree with.
No outrage at all and never has been for Meghan and Harry however for the distress they caused their very elderly family members at a very sad time in their lives.
I could have written the holier than thou high ground stance in advance, so predictable. :hee:

[user104658]

Oh really? Imagine people being angry that while a 99 yr old grandfather was dying and his 95 year old wife was devastated, their grandson and his wife appear on global TV and try to damage the institution they had both spent 70 years dedicating their lives to.
What is clearly false is all the holier than thou and preachy posts from people who really don't give a damn about the monarchy, the Queen, or Prince Philip for that matter. It's all about not wanting any criticism of the 'can do no wrong' Harry and Meghan.
Family values and loyalty? Respect for the elderly. Who cares about things like that anymore, eh?

Nah. Discussing the Monarchy as a concept, the job, their roles, how they engage with them, the ceremony, the duty, the responsibilities etc etc. is all one thing and really up for anyone to discuss, as well as to some extent what the members of the Royal Family choose to get up to in their public lives. Really that's all fair game. I think it sometimes spills over into undignified detail, but it is there to discuss.

What you seem to be failing to realise, though, is that a man's relationship with a family member of his who has just died - and the other personal family relationships surrounding that - are simply none of your damn business and anyone with any respect for them as a family (not as "The Royals") would understand that and respectfully not play guessing games with how they are or should be feeling in their own personal grief.

So like I said by all means carry on commenting - I will reiterate what I said before. It's put to bed any claims that criticism of Meghan and Harry have anything to do with respect for The Queen or the rest of the family. Continually bashing and disparaging members of The Queen's family - her grandson FFS, forget all the Prince nonsense - when her husband has just died is not "respect" of any kind, it's utterly foul.

[user104658]

It will be deemed a "convenient excuse" :idc:. You can write it before it happens.

The readers of the Daily mail are none too happy about the announcement that Meghan is not coming to the funeral. Top comments from the article:

"How convenient..."

..... Tadaaaaaaa.

[Dogeatdog]

..... Tadaaaaaaa.

Do you happen to know the numbers for the Euromillions on Tuesday TS? :laugh:

[jet]

Nah. Discussing the Monarchy as a concept, the job, their roles, how they engage with them, the ceremony, the duty, the responsibilities etc etc. is all one thing and really up for anyone to discuss, as well as to some extent what the members of the Royal Family choose to get up to in their public lives. Really that's all fair game. I think it sometimes spills over into undignified detail, but it is there to discuss.

What you seem to be failing to realise, though, is that a man's relationship with a family member of his who has just died - and the other personal family relationships surrounding that - are simply none of your damn business and anyone with any respect for them as a family (not as "The Royals") would understand that and respectfully not play guessing games with how they are or should be feeling in their own personal grief.

So like I said by all means carry on commenting - I will reiterate what I said before. It's put to bed any claims that criticism of Meghan and Harry have anything to do with respect for The Queen or the rest of the family. Continually bashing and disparaging members of The Queen's family - her grandson FFS, forget all the Prince nonsense - when her husband has just died is not "respect" of any kind, it's utterly foul.

Nah. Just more faux outrage to hit members with in a thread about Harry and Meghan. This isn't Philips dedicated thread.
Talking about what Harry and Meghan put their grandparents through in their last years of LIFE is not bashing them, its understandable anger and criticism and the truth. Truth hurts, I know.
Don't you faux worry, nobody is going to contact the family personally and give off about H&M, we'll be respectful and say how we feel here on a thread about them.... :smug:

[AnnieK]

The readers of the Daily mail are none too happy about the announcement that Meghan is not coming to the funeral. Top comments from the article:

"How convenient... Funny she was allowed to fly to her baby shower at 8 months! She knows she is not welcome Hope she doesnt stop Harry going with 'an emergency' I'm sure little Archie wont grace uk soil again."


"Did she ask her doctor the affects her interview full of lies would have on Prince Philip who at 99 years old was in hospital recovering from heart surgery or the affect it would have on HRH Queen Elizabeth who at 94 years old was dealing with the illness of her husband of 73 years.....especially with all the lies...."

:shocked:

Funny how that reader must have medical training and know that every pregnancy is exactly the same and if she was cleared to fly 2 years ago when pregnant that unequivocally means she is able to fly now.....blood pressure pah, global pandemic pah.

[Mystic Mock]

Do you happen to know the numbers for the Euromillions on Tuesday TS? :laugh:

I hope he does.:joker:

And personally I feel like it's good news that Harry will be going to the Funeral at least.

[Crimson Dynamo]

TALK OF THE TOWN: Popular Social media satirist Meggie Foster poses in a pair of
earrings bearing the Saudi flag as she repeats lyrics from The Little Mermaid in
a take-down of Meghan Markle's interview with Oprah


Social media satirist Meggie Foster has released a fabulously funny take-
down of Meghan’s interview with Oprah – and it’s savage!

I revealed last month that Meggie had a TikTok sketch in the works and was
preparing to pounce.

And she has delivered – with a riposte to Meghan’s claim she was like the
Little Mermaid.
eMZr-6Hy_NI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMZr-6Hy_NI

Nice to see some light-hearted humour amid all the rancour

[rusticgal]

This thread is horrendous.
You're so right there.

Prince Philip has been in Prince Harry's life, all his life.
I'd imagine no matter the current problems with the family, that Prince Harry will be deeply upset at the death of his Grandfather.

As to respect, I can't say for sure as I didn't know Prince Philip, however, I'm as sure as I personally can be, that Prince Philip himself would be more than likely filled with contempt for those tearing to pieces his Grandson AND his Grandson's CHOSEN wife too.

No one has said anything about Harry being upset over Philips death...of course he would be. If Philip was aware of the diabolical interview they gave attacking the family and institution he devoted his life to, I am sure he would have been filled with contempt for a Grandson he was very close to.

[Marsh.]

Nah. Discussing the Monarchy as a concept, the job, their roles, how they engage with them, the ceremony, the duty, the responsibilities etc etc. is all one thing and really up for anyone to discuss, as well as to some extent what the members of the Royal Family choose to get up to in their public lives. Really that's all fair game. I think it sometimes spills over into undignified detail, but it is there to discuss.

What you seem to be failing to realise, though, is that a man's relationship with a family member of his who has just died - and the other personal family relationships surrounding that - are simply none of your damn business and anyone with any respect for them as a family (not as "The Royals") would understand that and respectfully not play guessing games with how they are or should be feeling in their own personal grief.

So like I said by all means carry on commenting - I will reiterate what I said before. It's put to bed any claims that criticism of Meghan and Harry have anything to do with respect for The Queen or the rest of the family. Continually bashing and disparaging members of The Queen's family - her grandson FFS, forget all the Prince nonsense - when her husband has just died is not "respect" of any kind, it's utterly foul.

Funny how that reader must have medical training and know that every pregnancy is exactly the same and if she was cleared to fly 2 years ago when pregnant that unequivocally means she is able to fly now.....blood pressure pah, global pandemic pah.

Are the readers of the Daily Mail ever really that happy?

...even for a few days until he was laid to rest, Philip couldn’t be shown enough respect to have it about him...this thread is horrendous...but then the hate is fed so...

This thread is horrendous.
You're so right there.

Prince Philip has been in Prince Harry's life, all his life.
I'd imagine no matter the current problems with the family, that Prince Harry will be deeply upset at the death of his Grandfather.

As to respect, I can't say for sure as I didn't know Prince Philip, however, I'm as sure as I personally can be, that Prince Philip himself would be more than likely filled with contempt for those tearing to pieces his Grandson AND his Grandson's CHOSEN wife too.

This. Well said.

[Marsh.]

....like those that 'hate' people with an opinion :hee:

Pretending to know the inner thoughts and private relationships of people you don't know is not an opinion. That's basic common sense.

[user104658]

Nah. Just more faux outrage to hit members with in a thread about Harry and Meghan. This isn't Philips dedicated thread.
Talking about what Harry and Meghan put their grandparents through in their last years of LIFE is not bashing them, its understandable anger and criticism and the truth. Truth hurts, I know.
Don't you faux worry, nobody is going to contact the family personally and give off about H&M, we'll be respectful and say how we feel here on a thread about them.... :smug:


I’m not outraged “faux” or otherwise, there’s nothing outrageous about the things being said, in fact they’re endlessly banal and predictable.

I do find it somewhat amusing that you’re accusing me of being outraged, and then going on to rant about “What Harry done put them through in their last years of life!!!”. I mean what? What did he put Philip through in his last years of life... other than the perfectly normal act of going off to live his own life? They’ve had nothing but praise and affection for the queen and Phil. Or perhaps you think he was wringing his hands over the accusations of racism? Given the number of times he was accused of making racist jokes over the years and just shrugged it off, I somehow doubt he cared at all? No I think Philip would probably be having a pretty good chuckle if he could see all of the internet outrage on his behalf, because I doubt he had any issue with Harry at all.

[LukeB]

Since the diabolical interview there has been nothing but speculation about their return to this country for the unveiling of Diana's statue and Philips 100th birthday celebrations this year. Obviously their accusations on NT have caused a massive rift making re-uniting very difficult and awkward especially when they have to do it all in the public eye.
The aftermath is still on-going. Im sure that after absorbing the sad news of Philips death, many people would be thinking the same thing...and especially as they haven't seemed to have sorted these issues out over the last month, the gathering for the funeral has obviously bought this re-conciliation forward.
When my mum passed away last year..the very next day we were making Funeral plans...We had a 'Meghan' in my family and it weighed heavily on my mind that we were going to have to see her for the first time in 6 years.
Its not being disrespectful.....life goes on.

There's a difference between planning a funeral privately and using stuff for clickbait 5 seconds after the annoucement. There's a time and place. When my dad passed away last year last thing on my mind was invites and I would not for sure make polls and use it as clickbait straight away or at all. It's obvious Meghan wouldn't go because she's pregnant so stuff like that shouldn't really be asked straight away. Funeral attendance are none of our business either

[rusticgal]

There's a difference between planning a funeral privately and using stuff for clickbait 5 seconds after the annoucement. There's a time and place. When my dad passed away last year last thing on my mind was invites and I would not for sure make polls and use it as clickbait straight away or at all. It's obvious Meghan wouldn't go because she's pregnant so stuff like that shouldn't really be asked straight away. Funeral attendance are none of our business either


I think it was a lot more than 5 seconds...this is where people need a reality check. Its human nature to be inquisitive...especially after recent events. Its even worse having polls on here over who will die next...

[Tom4784]

You just know people are going to bash her when she gives birth as well.

All this energy towards one person who hasn’t really done anything wrong when there’s bad people out there who have done worst and they use a bully as gospel. People have stoop so low to disrespect mental health as well who knows how lower they can get now.

They'll just look to bash her regardless. If she attended the funeral, she'd be making it about herself, if she didn't, then it's a snub and an affront to the royal family. It was pointed out by someone earlier in the topic but rags like Daily Mail would have had articles bashing her regardless.

People have decided to make this one woman the villain in their own fan fiction and the media and the public are confusing what they want to be true, for what is actually true and it's desperately sad. We are a nation of people who confuse people's lives for an episode of Eastenders, and it's ****ing grim. Plus, let's not forget that a lot of the hate is fuelled by bigotry, bigotry towards her gender, her nationality, and her race.

[rusticgal]

Realistically, they can’t. But you’ve had personal experiences that have lead you to believe in “this sort of person who can single handedly deliberately ruin everything” and so it’s understandable that you’d transfer those feelings onto someone you’ve decided fits the same mould.

I wonder how many other Meghan-dislikers believe they’ve “had a Meghan” in their life or family.


She was the cause...my brother was weak and enabled her. She twisted the truth and caused a great deal of pain and unhappiness. This is why I relate to this subject..
Its so sad to see William and Harry...who were so close, no longer have that relationship. I hope they can move on from this but once that loyalty is broken its so hard to forgive and forget.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Nigel Farage slams Prince Harry and Meghan Markle for showing 'contempt' for
Prince Philip with 'one-sentence statement' on his death and says British public
'will not welcome them back' even for the funeral

Nigel Farage has launched a scathing attack on Prince Harry and Meghan
Comes after announcement Prince Philip had died at Windsor Castle on Friday
He said public 'will not welcome back' the couple, even for the Duke's funeral
Former politician added their Oprah Winfrey interview weeks before had been 'deeply disrespectful'


https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/04/11/12/41611818-9458763-image-a-15_1618142153065.jpg
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/04/11/12/41611126-9458763-image-m-3_1618139332251.jpg

Mr Farage slammed the couple's response to the Duke's death, saying: 'For a
couple that do public emotion as a career, this third person and one
sentence statement shows their contempt for this great man and the
monarchy,' Farage tweeted Friday.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9458763/Nigel-Farage-slams-Prince-Harry-Meghan-Markle-showing-contempt-Prince-Philip.html

compassion in action...

[Dogeatdog]

Farage launching ‘scathing’ attacks towards Prince Harry when he just lost his grandad is not a very good look. What a disgusting thing to do. Talks about the Oprah interview being deeply disrespectful, well where is his respect then?

[jet]

Andrew Morton, Diana's and Meghan's biographer:

Speaking on Royally Obsessed podcast, biographer Mr Morton said: '[The Queen] gave them the opportunity to go wherever they please.
'They were given a degree of latitude.
'They were told "here are your first class tickets, pick which country you want to go to, we're going to make you youth ambassadors for the Commonwealth".

'In fairness to the royal family, in fairness to the Queen, she did give them that opportunity to go wherever they pleased.
'And also, they did say to Meghan if you don't want to embrace royal duties full time please be our guest and continue your acting career.
'Those opportunities were open to her.'
......................
Poor Meghan, having to dance to the royal families tune, forced to stay in the Palace and refused help and not even allowed her passport and keys, making out to the American audiences that she was practically a prisoner. :rolleyes:

The Queen and the Duke and all the rest probably thought 'ahh, she isn't doing anything wrong, she's adorable and a right laugh hahaha.' :rolleyes:

[rusticgal]

Andrew Morton, Diana's and Meghan's biographer:

Speaking on Royally Obsessed podcast, biographer Mr Morton said: '[The Queen] gave them the opportunity to go wherever they please.
'They were given a degree of latitude.
'They were told "here are your first class tickets, pick which country you want to go to, we're going to make you youth ambassadors for the Commonwealth".

'In fairness to the royal family, in fairness to the Queen, she did give them that opportunity to go wherever they pleased.
'And also, they did say to Meghan if you don't want to embrace royal duties full time please be our guest and continue your acting career.
'Those opportunities were open to her.'
......................
Poor Meghan, having to dance to the royal families tune, forced to stay in the Palace and refused help and not even allowed her passport and keys, making out to the American audiences that she was practically a prisoner. :rolleyes:

The Queen and the Duke and all the rest probably thought 'ahh, she isn't doing anything wrong, she's adorable and a right laugh hahaha.' :rolleyes:


Interesting....if it’s true I think it’s a shame they didn’t take that opportunity. It would have been perfect for them IMO...

[Crimson Dynamo]

Andrew Morton, Diana's and Meghan's biographer:

Speaking on Royally Obsessed podcast, biographer Mr Morton said: '[The Queen] gave them the opportunity to go wherever they please.
'They were given a degree of latitude.
'They were told "here are your first class tickets, pick which country you want to go to, we're going to make you youth ambassadors for the Commonwealth".

'In fairness to the royal family, in fairness to the Queen, she did give them that opportunity to go wherever they pleased.
'And also, they did say to Meghan if you don't want to embrace royal duties full time please be our guest and continue your acting career.
'Those opportunities were open to her.'
......................
Poor Meghan, having to dance to the royal families tune, forced to stay in the Palace and refused help and not even allowed her passport and keys, making out to the American audiences that she was practically a prisoner. :rolleyes:

The Queen and the Duke and all the rest probably thought 'ahh, she isn't doing anything wrong, she's adorable and a right laugh hahaha.' :rolleyes:

it beggars belief

shocking

[The Slim Reaper]

Andrew Morton, Diana's and Meghan's biographer:

Speaking on Royally Obsessed podcast, biographer Mr Morton said: '[The Queen] gave them the opportunity to go wherever they please.
'They were given a degree of latitude.
'They were told "here are your first class tickets, pick which country you want to go to, we're going to make you youth ambassadors for the Commonwealth".

'In fairness to the royal family, in fairness to the Queen, she did give them that opportunity to go wherever they pleased.
'And also, they did say to Meghan if you don't want to embrace royal duties full time please be our guest and continue your acting career.
'Those opportunities were open to her.'
......................
Poor Meghan, having to dance to the royal families tune, forced to stay in the Palace and refused help and not even allowed her passport and keys, making out to the American audiences that she was practically a prisoner. :rolleyes:

The Queen and the Duke and all the rest probably thought 'ahh, she isn't doing anything wrong, she's adorable and a right laugh hahaha.' :rolleyes:

Would you have been OK if she'd stayed in suits (for example) where she played a character that would get semi-undressed, was involved in a cheating plotline, and was obviously required to act as though she was in-love with Mike Ross? Because I think anyone honest knows the answer to that question.

[jet]

Buckingham Palace provided Meghan Markle with the Queen’s most senior staff to serve as her “mentors” before getting hitched to Prince Harry, according to a report, contradicting her claim that she didn’t receive help transitioning into the royal family.
“It is very disingenuous to make such a sweeping generalization,” a source told the Daily Mail. “There was a brilliant team of very experienced and loyal aides to help them. Sadly, she and Harry were willing to listen to no one. And that is the honest truth.”
In fact, Queen Elizabeth II enlisted her most trusted adviser, Samantha Cohen, to help Meghan prepare for her wedding and for royal life, sources told the British tabloid.

Cohen was also responsible for giving the former actress regular tutoring sessions on everything from royal etiquette to diplomatic protocol at Kensington Palace.

Queen Elizabeth II’s most trusted adviser reportedly helped Meghan Markle prepare for royal life with Prince Harry.
“The Queen gave her Sam, her most trusted, her safest set of hands,” the source told the Mail.
“Yet Meghan told Oprah Winfrey that while the Queen had personally been ‘wonderful,’ she hadn’t received any guidance on how to behave as a royal — leaving her forced to Google the national anthem,” the insider added.
In the explosive interview that first aired on CBS Sunday night, Markle claimed she received no support leading up to her wedding and her efforts to blend in with the royal family.

“Unlike what you see in the movies, there’s no class on how to speak, how to cross your legs, how to be royal,” Markle told Winfrey. “There was none of that training that might exist for other members of the family. That was not something that was offered to me.”
Markle also revealed that Prince Andrew’s ex-wife, Sarah Ferguson, the Duchess of York, taught her how to curtsy before meeting Her Majesty the Queen for the first time.
..................................
Meghan was sure enjoying the American audiences lapping all the lies up. I'm sure the Royals were delighted for her and admiring at how well she was carrying it off. :laugh:

[Tom4784]

If she remained an actress the same people berating her for doing so. Irrational hatred is irrational hatred, it doesn't make sense, and it's often hypocritical and contradictory because, you know, it's irrational.

[joeysteele]

Farage launching ‘scathing’ attacks towards Prince Harry when he just lost his grandad is not a very good look. What a disgusting thing to do. Talks about the Oprah interview being deeply disrespectful, well where is his respect then?

Exactly dogeatdog.
The words respect/ful and Farage are in my view, never likely to be connected.
He's just another bigot, however a dangerous one politically.

I doubt I'd ever take the word of Farage as gospel or noteworthy.

[jet]

Would you have been OK if she'd stayed in suits (for example) where she played a character that would get semi-undressed, was involved in a cheating plotline, and was obviously required to act as though she was in-love with Mike Ross? Because I think anyone honest knows the answer to that question.

It's her real character that matters, not an acting character.
If she was a decent person, not a manipulative liar, and it was fine with the Queen, then why not? It's 2021, not 1950.

[The Slim Reaper]

It's her real character that matters, not an acting character.
If she was a decent person, not a manipulative liar, and it was fine with the Queen, then why not? It's 2021, not 1950.

You're certainly consistent, jet, I'll give you that.

Status-Quo only had one trick and they got rich off it, so fair play.

[arista]

[Go on Oprah? It's madness!
No good will come of it: In the most revealing
portrait of the Duke of Edinburgh you'll ever read,
his friend of 40 years GYLES BRANDRETH
says he sympathised
with Harry and Meghan - but thought they were wrong]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9459845/GYLES-BRANDRETH-says-Duke-Edinburgh-sympathised-Harry-Meghan-thought-wrong.html

Wise 99 year old
knew what he was talking about.

[jet]

https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/piers-morgan-names-sarah-ferguson-23896547

Piers Morgan has named Sarah Ferguson as one of the royals who reached out to support him after he was forced to quit Good Morning Britain over his coverage of Meghan Markle's interview with Oprah Winfrey.

It comes after Piers previously declared that "several members of the royal family" had reached out to him after he called out Prince Harry and Meghan Markle over their bombshell claims.
In his column for the Mail on Sunday this weekend, Piers admitted Prince Andrew's ex-wife Fergie was one of the royals who had supported him.
He wrote: "Not all Royal duchesses were as thrilled as Meghan 'Pinocchio' Markle to see me leave GMB.

"'People have said how much they miss your morning joy and humour,' texted Sarah, Duchess of York, 'get back out there!'"

[bots]

Sarah Ferguson is hardly a key royal, and i certainly wouldn't admit to her being a supporter of mine :laugh:

[Crimson Dynamo]

"Prince Philip thought Harry and Meghan's interview with Oprah Winfrey was
'madness' and 'no good would come of it', it has emerged."

He also regretted his grandson's decision to quit royal duties and move to the
US and said it was 'not the right thing, either for the country or for themselves'.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9459845/GYLES-BRANDRETH-says-Duke-Edinburgh-sympathised-Harry-Meghan-thought-wrong.html

:(

[AnnieK]

"Prince Philip thought Harry and Meghan's interview with Oprah Winfrey was
'madness' and 'no good would come of it', it has emerged."

He also regretted his grandson's decision to quit royal duties and move to the
US and said it was 'not the right thing, either for the country or for themselves'.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9459845/GYLES-BRANDRETH-says-Duke-Edinburgh-sympathised-Harry-Meghan-thought-wrong.html

:(

The very next line of the article states though....

Ultimately, however, he accepted it and said: 'It's his life.'

[jet]

More from the article:

Insights into Philip's thoughts on the Duke and Duchess of Sussex's decision and the deeply acrimonious fall-out as a result of it have been aired by his impeccably connected biographer, Gyles Brandreth in today's Daily Mail.

His account comes as royal sources reacted angrily to the suggestion the Duke of Edinburgh would have been 'unbothered' by recent events. And one insider told the Mail they believed the schism created by the couple would take a 'lifetime' to heal......
.....Ultimately, Philip loved Harry, admired him for his service career and thought him 'a good man'.


I found this bit very sad:
Mr Brandreth said Philip responded to the rift by saying: 'I'll soon be out of it and not before time.' :sad:

[Ammi]

...Gyles Brandreth who considers himself to have been a friend of Philip is publicly discussing Philip’s family relationships while his family are grieving for him and before his funeral has taken place...I personally find that repulsive and the irony is incredible...shame on him...

[Crimson Dynamo]

The very next line of the article states though....

Ultimately, however, he accepted it and said: 'It's his life.'

what else could he say - he wasnt his actual boss?

but he knew it was a mistake and so far he has been proved right

[Crimson Dynamo]

More from the article:

Insights into Philip's thoughts on the Duke and Duchess of Sussex's decision and the deeply acrimonious fall-out as a result of it have been aired by his impeccably connected biographer, Gyles Brandreth in today's Daily Mail.

His account comes as royal sources reacted angrily to the suggestion the Duke of Edinburgh would have been 'unbothered' by recent events. And one insider told the Mail they believed the schism created by the couple would take a 'lifetime' to heal......
.....Ultimately, Philip loved Harry, admired him for his service career and thought him 'a good man'.


I found this bit very sad:
Mr Brandreth said Philip responded to the rift by saying: 'I'll soon be out of it and not before time.' :sad:

yes it speaks volumes...:(

[Glenn.]

Wondered how long it would be that Harry and Meghan were to blame for a 99yr old with an abundance of health issues dying.

[arista]

Wondered how long it would be that Harry and Meghan were to blame for a 99yr old with an abundance of health issues dying.


No he was on the Way out
after his Car Crash,

[user104658]

The very next line of the article states though....

Ultimately, however, he accepted it and said: 'It's his life.'

Oh gee wiz I wonder why that particular line that's the crux of the entire issue was left out in the selective quoting :think: A mystery!

https://greatmousedetective.webs.com/img/gmdsweep02gif.gif

[user104658]

Mr Brandreth said Philip responded to the rift by saying: 'I'll soon be out of it and not before time.' :sad:

This is blatantly the dry/dark humour of a man who was noted life-long for his dry/dark humour, expressing that he's "too old for this **** " and pointing out that none of it is really what matters. It's not sad, it's wise.

[user104658]

No he was on the Way out
after his Car Crash,

I mean he was on his way out since he turned 90, because everyone is on their way out by 90. That's not meant to sound harsh it's just the reality of biology.

[Jordan.]

...Gyles Brandreth who considers himself to have been a friend of Philip is publicly discussing Philip’s family relationships while his family are grieving for him and before his funeral has taken place...I personally find that repulsive and the irony is incredible...shame on him...

It's beyond classless Ammi and shows people's real care for Philip that they'd rather read and share this dross than honour his life.

[user104658]

...Gyles Brandreth who considers himself to have been a friend of Philip is publicly discussing Philip’s family relationships while his family are grieving for him and before his funeral has taken place...I personally find that repulsive and the irony is incredible...shame on him...

Nonsense Ammi, we all know there's nothing that elderly people like more than people having a go at their grandkids. Famed for it, the over-70's.

[Cherie]

I mean he was on his way out since he turned 90, because everyone is on their way out by 90. That's not meant to sound harsh it's just the reality of biology.

We are all on our way out from the day we are born

death and taxes, no escape :)

Happy Monday

[jet]

This is blatantly the dry/dark humour of a man who was noted life-long for his dry/dark humour, expressing that he's "too old for this **** " and pointing out that none of it is really what matters. It's not sad, it's wise.

Wow, not you knowing what people you don't know are thinking. Didn't you say posts should be prefixed with the likes of 'I think'.....:whistle:

[user104658]

The irony is that there's literally no way for people defending this crap to be right. You have literally two options;

1) People are talking crap and Philip would have put his personal links with and love for his grandson above the monarchy/duty and all of the pomp and nonsense, in which case he would not have been devastated by Harry living his own life, and would be furious about him being attacked by the press and public on his behalf...

OR

2) ...he had more devotion to the institution than to his grandkids and would be happy to see his grandson and his grandson's wife attacked on his behalf after his death, and in fact using his death as a stick to beat them with, in which case Harry was absolutely right to get his family far away from that.


Those are your choices. Either people are wrong and Philip would NOT want his death being used to attack his family, OR people are right and Philip would be happy with this in which case **** the lot of them and Harry and Meghan are far better off away from that.

FWIW I think it's the former and Philip would be furious about being used as a battering ram in death.

[user104658]

Wow, not you knowing what people you don't know are thinking. Didn't you say posts should be prefixed with the likes of 'I think'.....:whistle:

"This is blatantly" i.e.
"It is apparent that" i.e.
"In my opinion" i.e.
"I think";

it's not my fault that you have lacklustre reading comprehension Jet, don't put your failings on me :shrug:.

[jet]

It's beyond classless Ammi and shows people's real care for Philip that they'd rather read and share this dross than honour his life.

Harry and Meghan shared their dross about the institution he'd dedicated his life to with the world while he lay gravely ill in hospital. What a way to honour his life, eh....and that was his grandson and his wife!
No words of condemnation about that from many - so don't come off with the faux outrage, its disgusting.

[jet]

"This is blatantly" i.e.
"It is apparent that" i.e.
"In my opinion" i.e.
"I think";

it's not my fault that you have lacklustre reading comprehension Jet, don't put your failings on me :shrug:.

'This is blatantly' is a statement, not an opinion.

[user104658]

'This is blatantly' is a statement, not an opinion.

The element of observational opinion is inherent to words like "blatant", "apparent", "evident".

You're apparently incorrect on this one jet, sorry.

[thesheriff443]

Does anyone think Harry turned on his family because he blames them for the death of his mother.

[Glenn.]

Harry and Meghan shared their dross about the institution he'd dedicated his life to with the world while he lay gravely ill in hospital. What a way to honour his life, eh....and that was his grandson and his wife!
No words of condemnation about that from many - so don't come off with the faux outrage, its disgusting.

Harry and Meghan filmed the interview months before and had no say in when it aired. You know this though but it’s easier for you to invent a narrative that it’s their fault

[jet]

The element of observational opinion is inherent to words like "blatant", "apparent", "evident".

You're apparently incorrect on this one jet, sorry.

I disagree. If you had said "I think it is blatantly obvious etc...." that would be an opinion.

[thesheriff443]

Harry and Meghan filmed the interview months before and had no say in when it aired. You know this though but it’s easier for you to invent a narrative that it’s their fault

There was no need what so ever to do the interview

They achieved what they wanted and had financial security
The interview as made them less popular not the other way round.

[rusticgal]

Does anyone think Harry turned on his family because he blames them for the death of his mother.


No...he has always blamed the Press for that.

[rusticgal]

It was not filmed MONTHS before Philip went into hospital. Meghan looked about 5 months pregnant...:laugh:

[user104658]

I disagree. If you had said "I think it is blatantly obvious etc...." that would be an opinion.

I'm not going to argue semantics with you jet and will continue using words like blatant and apparent with the understanding that they care an implication of subjectivity; because they do. You can disagree with me, I don't care if you son't want to improve your critical reading ability, not my business, but now that you know my stance, you have little excuse for not accepting that when I say it, that's how it's intended :hee:.

[user104658]

Does anyone think Harry turned on his family because he blames them for the death of his mother.

Directly blames them for her death? I doubt it but I think he harbours resentment (understandably) for how she was treated by the institution, the press, and let's face it probably Charles. I have SOME sympathy for Charles because I don't think he wanted any of it - he was always quite clear on who/what he wanted and got there eventually - but he did at the end of the day marry and have children with a woman he probably didn't love, and things didn't end well for her whichever way you slice it.

So in short, "Yes, sort of". But I don't think it's unjustified.

[rusticgal]

There was no need what so ever to do the interview

They achieved what they wanted and had financial security
The interview as made them less popular not the other way round.


I couldnt agree more...No need whatsoever to do that Interview apart from being spiteful and vindictive.
If you have a grievance with people...go talk to them. Dont sit and talk to a stranger on National Television about it. It was meant to hurt...and thats the most telling part.

[Glenn.]

There was no need what so ever to do the interview

They achieved what they wanted and had financial security
The interview as made them less popular not the other way round.

They are free to do whatever interviews they want. It’s not down to you to say they shouldn’t.

[Liam-]

I also don’t think they should have done an interview giving their side of the story after years of constant harassment and false stories being spread about them, how dare they want to speak their truth, they should have continued to suffer in silence

[user104658]

It was meant to hurt...and thats the most telling part.

Who was it meant to hurt?

[rusticgal]

Who was it meant to hurt?

Both the Institution and his family...

[rusticgal]

I also don’t think they should have done an interview giving their side of the story after years of constant harassment and false stories being spread about them, how dare they want to speak their truth, they should have continued to suffer in silence


They had left...they were where they wanted to be. It was done for exposure and for spite.

[thesheriff443]

They are free to do whatever interviews they want. It’s not down to you to say they shouldn’t.

I said there was no need to do the interview not that they shouldn’t

The interview has back fired and they been called out and proved to be liars

[Glenn.]

I said there was no need to do the interview not that they shouldn’t

The interview has back fired and they been called out and proved to be liars

Saying there was no need kinda implies that they shouldn’t have though right?

[bots]

there was only one reason they did the interview, to discredit the "firm" and the royal family. If that's not a vindictive action, what is

[Liam-]

They had left...they were where they wanted to be. It was done for exposure and for spite.

It was done to tell their side of the story, which they are perfectly entitled to do when they have been unfairly represented for so long out of malice

[Glenn.]

there was only one reason they did the interview, to discredit the "firm" and the royal family. If that's not a vindictive action, what is

As has been mentioned, they did it to tell their story because of the mountain of unfair and untrue stories that are told about them.

[Liam-]

I’m sure all those who are so adamantly against the interview would definitely stay quiet and take it if they felt they were being purposefully misrepresented and lied about constantly though

[jet]

The irony is that there's literally no way for people defending this crap to be right. You have literally two options;

1) People are talking crap and Philip would have put his personal links with and love for his grandson above the monarchy/duty and all of the pomp and nonsense, in which case he would not have been devastated by Harry living his own life, and would be furious about him being attacked by the press and public on his behalf...

OR

2) ...he had more devotion to the institution than to his grandkids and would be happy to see his grandson and his grandson's wife attacked on his behalf after his death, and in fact using his death as a stick to beat them with, in which case Harry was absolutely right to get his family far away from that.


Those are your choices.
Either people are wrong and Philip would NOT want his death being used to attack his family, OR people are right and Philip would be happy with this in which case **** the lot of them and Harry and Meghan are far better off away from that.

FWIW I think it's the former and Philip would be furious about being used as a battering ram in death.

My goodness :laugh2:
I can't recall ANYONE saying Philip would be devastated at Harry living his own life, in fact I don't recall anyone even on here saying he shouldn't live his own life.
It would think however that Prince Philip would be hurt and disappointed at the way he has chosen to go about it. It is said the interview bothered him and there is no reason to believe otherwise as that would be entirely understandable. I know you have said before that you don't think Philip would be bothered at all, but I totally disagree and the reports say otherwise.

I doubt he said to himself "I'll pretend I support everything Harry and Meghan are doing and saying throughout this whole debacle since they left the firm just in case someone leaks how I feel and they say nasty things about them when I die". Come off it! :laugh:

[jet]

there was only one reason they did the interview, to discredit the "firm" and the royal family. If that's not a vindictive action, what is

Absolutely :clap1:

[user104658]

Both the Institution and his family...

I don't agree that you can "hurt" an institution. Discredit maybe, but :shrug: so what, that's a perfectly legitimate reason to do something if it's how you feel.

Can you provide me with some quotes or examples of it being designed to personally hurt members of the family?

[Cherie]

I also don’t think they should have done an interview giving their side of the story after years of constant harassment and false stories being spread about them, how dare they want to speak their truth, they should have continued to suffer in silence

when did we get saddled with this awful phrase

its 'their truth' they weren't cross examined they were given a platform to say whatever they wanted, and a lot of it has already been shot down as untrue, like Megs locked in the Tower with no means of escape :laugh:

[user104658]

when did we get saddled with this awful phrase

its 'their truth' they weren't cross examined they were given a platform to say whatever they wanted, and a lot of it has already been shot down as untrue, like Megs locked in the Tower with no means of escape :laugh:

A lot of it has been willfully misinterpreted - there's a difference. I honestly don't understand why anyone would play stupid and pretend not to understand that people don't necessarily mean everything literally though - it's not a convincing argument, it just makes the person saying it look like they're too dumb to read between the lines :umm2:.

[Cherie]

A lot of it has been willfully misinterpreted - there's a difference. I honestly don't understand why anyone would play stupid and pretend not to understand that people don't necessarily mean everything literally though - it's not a convincing argument, it just makes the person saying it look like they're too dumb to read between the lines :umm2:.

come on now it was over exaggerated by them to make good TV and anyone who is wilfully ignoring that needs their head examining

anyhoo this has been done to death for me at any rate

[jet]

A lot of it has been willfully misinterpreted - there's a difference. I honestly don't understand why anyone would play stupid and pretend not to understand that people don't necessarily mean everything literally though - it's not a convincing argument, it just makes the person saying it look like they're too dumb to read between the lines :umm2:.

Have a look at posts 309 and 313 here. I don't think you have commented on the content?

[jet]

come on now it was over exaggerated by them to make good TV and anyone who is wilfully ignoring that needs their head examining

anyhoo this has been done to death for me at any rate

:joker: Indeed.

[user104658]

Andrew Morton, Diana's and Meghan's biographer:

Speaking on Royally Obsessed podcast, biographer Mr Morton said: '[The Queen] gave them the opportunity to go wherever they please.
'They were given a degree of latitude.
'They were told "here are your first class tickets, pick which country you want to go to, we're going to make you youth ambassadors for the Commonwealth".

'In fairness to the royal family, in fairness to the Queen, she did give them that opportunity to go wherever they pleased.
'And also, they did say to Meghan if you don't want to embrace royal duties full time please be our guest and continue your acting career.
'Those opportunities were open to her.'
......................
Poor Meghan, having to dance to the royal families tune, forced to stay in the Palace and refused help and not even allowed her passport and keys, making out to the American audiences that she was practically a prisoner. :rolleyes:

The Queen and the Duke and all the rest probably thought 'ahh, she isn't doing anything wrong, she's adorable and a right laugh hahaha.' :rolleyes:

Buckingham Palace provided Meghan Markle with the Queen’s most senior staff to serve as her “mentors” before getting hitched to Prince Harry, according to a report, contradicting her claim that she didn’t receive help transitioning into the royal family.
“It is very disingenuous to make such a sweeping generalization,” a source told the Daily Mail. “There was a brilliant team of very experienced and loyal aides to help them. Sadly, she and Harry were willing to listen to no one. And that is the honest truth.”
In fact, Queen Elizabeth II enlisted her most trusted adviser, Samantha Cohen, to help Meghan prepare for her wedding and for royal life, sources told the British tabloid.

Cohen was also responsible for giving the former actress regular tutoring sessions on everything from royal etiquette to diplomatic protocol at Kensington Palace.

Queen Elizabeth II’s most trusted adviser reportedly helped Meghan Markle prepare for royal life with Prince Harry.
“The Queen gave her Sam, her most trusted, her safest set of hands,” the source told the Mail.
“Yet Meghan told Oprah Winfrey that while the Queen had personally been ‘wonderful,’ she hadn’t received any guidance on how to behave as a royal — leaving her forced to Google the national anthem,” the insider added.
In the explosive interview that first aired on CBS Sunday night, Markle claimed she received no support leading up to her wedding and her efforts to blend in with the royal family.

“Unlike what you see in the movies, there’s no class on how to speak, how to cross your legs, how to be royal,” Markle told Winfrey. “There was none of that training that might exist for other members of the family. That was not something that was offered to me.”
Markle also revealed that Prince Andrew’s ex-wife, Sarah Ferguson, the Duchess of York, taught her how to curtsy before meeting Her Majesty the Queen for the first time.
..................................
Meghan was sure enjoying the American audiences lapping all the lies up. I'm sure the Royals were delighted for her and admiring at how well she was carrying it off. :laugh:

Have a look at posts 309 and 313 here. I don't think you have commented on the content?

These? I mean I think I've covered quite thoroughly over the many, many weeks of this discussion what I think about the Royal pundits/commentators/reporters/biographers and why I think they are the very definition of a biased and unreliable source. Have I not been clear in that? Well to clarify;

I didn't respond to these posts because I'm not interested in these "Royal writers". It's all irrelevant hearsay and drivel.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I’m sure all those who are so adamantly against the interview would definitely stay quiet and take it if they felt they were being purposefully misrepresented and lied about constantly though

TV does not do this and there are hundreds of media that do not so this like radio, magazines online - they get amazing positive media that far outweighs the odd tabloid (that they dont even read).

Lol - its like this was their first interview :joker:

[user104658]

they get amazing positive media that far outweighs the odd tabloid (that they dont even read).

Surely not? How is that possible - they are toxic. Aren't they?? :shrug:

[jet]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2021/04/11/analysis-bristling-tensions-prince-harry-remain-royal-family/

Bristling tensions with Prince Harry remain, but Royal family will wear the mask of unity at Duke’s funeral

…….It is no secret that the Royal family were left universally shellshocked by the couple’s interview with Oprah Winfrey last month, in which they accused an unnamed family member of asking about Archie’s skin tone and blamed “The Firm” for a lack of support.
Harry’s suggestion that Charles and the Duke of Cambridge felt “trapped” in the monarchy is also believed to have caused deep offence among his nearest and dearest – not to mention the fact that the two-hour televised tell-all was broadcast to the world while Prince Philip, 99, was still undergoing treatment in hospital.

With subsequent phone calls between the royal brothers and between Harry and his father described as “unproductive” by Gayle King, the US TV anchor and a friend of the Sussexes, bristling tensions still remain.
The fragile situation was certainly not helped by the statement issued via the Sussexes’ Archewell website on Friday reacting to Duke’s death.
Reading: “In loving memory of His Royal Highness, the Duke of Edinburgh, 1921-2021. Thank you for your service… you will be greatly missed,” the brevity of the message raised eyebrows behind palace gates – as well as the misjudged timing.
As one royal insider explained: “There’s a natural order here and they just ignored it by putting their own statement out, without telling anyone, before the Prince of Wales had even issued a response. Quite a few people read it and thought: “Is that all they’ve got to say?”
According to one royal source: “The funeral will be a unifying moment because it’s about the loss of a beloved father, grandfather and great-grandfather.
“And on top of all that, there’s a real, clear-eyed focus on support for the Queen. It’s all about HM right now. That’s the universal feeling right across all branches of the family.”
Or as another put it: “They know the world will be watching. There will be no outward signs of any tensions whatsoever. The entire focus will be on the Queen, no exceptions. A family unified.”
.................

As it should be!

[Crimson Dynamo]

Surely not? How is that possible - they are toxic. Aren't they?? :shrug:

Well indeed that is, I think, what Harry said of "the meedja" he blatantly says he never ever looks at

:skull:

[user104658]

“They know the world will be watching. There will be no outward signs of any tensions whatsoever. The entire focus will be on the Queen, no exceptions. A family unified.”


:joker: "Hey everyone... hey... h... hey guys... it might look like the issues within the family aren't anything like as severe as we've all been making out... but just to let you know in advance... that is not true and they are all pretending! Don't worry, they still all hate Marry and Meghan and feel betrayed and totally devastated and all of that stuff! It's a mask out of respect for Philip! So just keep that in mind while watching it. If you see William talk to Harry, it's to keep up appearances. And if one of them smiles at the other it is a ruse! Don't worry! You can go back to hating them immediately after the funeral. Cos the other Royals have been utterly betrayed and don't want anything to do with them now. Never forget these are the facts."

[user104658]

Well indeed that is, I think, what Harry said of "the meedja" he blatantly says he never ever looks at

:skull:

There are like 5 - 10 members whose posts I never look at LT - it doesn't mean I'm not aware that they're ****.

[jet]

These? I mean I think I've covered quite thoroughly over the many, many weeks of this discussion what I think about the Royal pundits/commentators/reporters/biographers and why I think they are the very definition of a biased and unreliable source. Have I not been clear in that? Well to clarify;

I didn't respond to these posts because I'm not interested in these "Royal writers". It's all irrelevant hearsay and drivel.

"If I don't want to believe something its all drivel and lies". :joker: (Those reports have been verified by royal commentators on national morning tv too, btw, not that you'll believe that either, eh?).

Tell me, do you believe Meghan's versions? :hee:

[jet]

:joker: "Hey everyone... hey... h... hey guys... it might look like the issues within the family aren't anything like as severe as we've all been making out... but just to let you know in advance... that is not true and they are all pretending! Don't worry, they still all hate Marry and Meghan and feel betrayed and totally devastated and all of that stuff! It's a mask out of respect for Philip! So just keep that in mind while watching it. If you see William talk to Harry, it's to keep up appearances. And if one of them smiles at the other it is a ruse! Don't worry! You can go back to hating them immediately after the funeral. Cos the other Royals have been utterly betrayed and don't want anything to do with them now. Never forget these are the facts."

:umm2: Are you losing the plot? :hehe:
I was actually focussing on how good it would be for the Queens sake that they should have a united front - re the only part I bolded.
If all the Royals made up it would be a good thing - who wants pinnochio and her puppet running their mouths off again about the royals for more attention which is the only way they actually get any. It's all they have reallly, its their currency...

Funny how you are so cynical when it suits you but the total opposite when it's about anything at all negative about H&M. Hmmm...

[bots]

i foresee a meghan interview part 2 .... what happened to Harry at philips funeral. The plane trip has to be funded somehow

[jet]

There are like 5 - 10 members whose posts I never look at LT - it doesn't mean I'm not aware that they're ****.

If you had to go buy those posts would you pay for them not to look at them. :
:smug:

[Crimson Dynamo]

There are like 5 - 10 members whose posts I never look at LT - it doesn't mean I'm not aware that they're ****.

well I have you on ignore so i dont even know you have posted

:smug:

[Josy]

Can you lot actually just stick to discussing the topic rather than other members or the way other members debate this topic.

It's actually boring and repetitive as hell for others reading the same drawn out arguments between the same people in here every day, if you have nothing to add to the actual thread then dont post in it and if other members comments bother you so much then use ignore.

[user104658]

Can you lot actually just stick to discussing the topic rather than other members or the way other members debate this topic.

It's actually boring and repetitive as hell for others reading the same drawn out arguments between the same people in here every day, if you have nothing to add to the actual thread then dont post in it and if other members comments bother you so much then use ignore.

The problem Josy - and believe me I agree with you - is that when one "side" steps away it doesn't end, it just becomes an endlessly repeating echo chamber of the same people saying the same things and congratulating each other. If you look back through these threads you'll find multiple examples of multiple people trying very hard to step away and ignore it but the truth is, it's insufferable.

The choices are basically these nightmarish threads of arguments going in circles... or not having this topic at all. Or just having people straight up leave completely - which is certainly a valid choice and I fear the way it's more likely to go.

"When people are saying toxic things repeatedly, just look the other way and pretend it isn't happening" isn't advice that everyone can take or wants to take, unfortunately.

[user104658]

"If I don't want to believe something its all drivel and lies". :joker: (Those reports have been verified by royal commentators on national morning tv too, btw, not that you'll believe that either, eh?).

Tell me, do you believe Meghan's versions? :hee:

It's not about believing anyone's versions, but you'll never understand that and therein lies the problem. There is H&M's version of events that they have shared, there is the version of events from other Royals (William and Kate, Charles, The Queen) which they have not shared. Those are the ONLY relevant and interesting versions of events. Who knows what I believe? I haven't heard both sides of the story, because only one RELEVANT side has been shared.

I am not interested in versions of events from;

1) The press
2) Royal commentators
3) laypeople's imaginations


If you're talking about what I believe is "the truth" - it's most likely somewhere between Meghan and Harry's version, and the version we'd hear from William, Kate and Charles if they would share it, but they will not so I have no idea what the truth is. All I know is, there is only ONE valid first-hand source offering ANY version of events, and thus everything else is a complete and utter waste of time. There is no second version of events! The musing of bystanders is not a valid first hand source, of any description!

[rusticgal]

I don't agree that you can "hurt" an institution. Discredit maybe, but :shrug: so what, that's a perfectly legitimate reason to do something if it's how you feel.

Can you provide me with some quotes or examples of it being designed to personally hurt members of the family?


Discredit/hurt...you know what I meant.
Meghan accused an unnamed member of the family having "several conversations with Harry about Archies skin colour"....Harry confirmed it was ONE conversation and speculation was allowed to be had by who it may be. By not saying who it was left all members of the family exposed as possibly being Racist....

[Glenn.]

The problem Josy - and believe me I agree with you - is that when one "side" steps away it doesn't end, it just becomes an endlessly repeating echo chamber of the same people saying the same things and congratulating each other. If you look back through these threads you'll find multiple examples of multiple people trying very hard to step away and ignore it but the truth is, it's insufferable.

The choices are basically these nightmarish threads of arguments going in circles... or not having this topic at all. Or just having people straight up leave completely - which is certainly a valid choice and I fear the way it's more likely to go.

"When people are saying toxic things repeatedly, just look the other way and pretend it isn't happening" isn't advice that everyone can take or wants to take, unfortunately.

Agreed. The culture that we can allow a group of members to be toxic about people but not be able to call them out on it is not helpful for a discussion forum. Every one of these threads ends up the same. Ban the subject completely. We don’t need a thread where a select group of people are allowed to be so hateful towards celebrities and to encourage that is unacceptable.

[Tom4784]

But if they named names, the media and the public would accuse them of attacking the person in question. Harry and Meghan can't win either way.

[jet]

It's not about believing anyone's versions, but you'll never understand that and therein lies the problem. There is H&M's version of events that they have shared, there is the version of events from other Royals (William and Kate, Charles, The Queen) which they have not shared. Those are the ONLY relevant and interesting versions of events. Who knows what I believe? I haven't heard both sides of the story, because only one RELEVANT side has been shared.

I am not interested in versions of events from;

1) The press
2) Royal commentators
3) laypeople's imaginations


If you're talking about what I believe is "the truth" - it's most likely somewhere between Meghan and Harry's version, and the version we'd hear from William, Kate and Charles if they would share it, but they will not so I have no idea what the truth is. All I know is, there is only ONE valid first-hand source offering ANY version of events, and thus everything else is a complete and utter waste of time. There is no second version of events! The musing of bystanders is not a valid first hand source, of any description!

They do though, that is what reliable Palace sources are for, to pass info to royal commentators to correct any unreliable or untrue allegations. They can't, for example, mention a Palace employees name like Samantha Cohen and what she did or didn't do and lie about it or make things up because then they wouldn't be ever passed any info again and would be out of a job.
That is the way it works. In the days of Diana, I didn't want to believe many things coming from 'sources' but in the passage of time, they turned out to be, I'd say, 95% true. Time will tell once again.

[Tom4784]

I'm not going to be silent on bigotry when I see it present in the media and within the public, I think this debate is pointless and should be deleted, but by staying silent on bigotry, it prospers. The coverage of Meghan Markle is deeply misogynistic, and the public are definitely guilty of holding racist and xenophobic biases towards her too.

[rusticgal]

But if they named names, the media and the public would accuse them of attacking the person in question. Harry and Meghan can't win either way.

Absolutely right....coming back to my original point of going on NT to make accusations against your family was a deliberate attempt to undermine and hurt the family and institution and they should have done it in private.

[Tom4784]

Just seems like a way of saying that they shouldn't speak out on racism, to me.

[rusticgal]

Just seems like a way of saying that they shouldn't speak out on racism, to me.


Not at all....I just think they should have discussed it in private.

[Tom4784]

Whose to say they hadn't? We don't know.

[jet]

I'm not going to be silent on bigotry when I see it present in the media and within the public, I think this debate is pointless and should be deleted, but by staying silent on bigotry, it prospers. The coverage of Meghan Markle is deeply misogynistic, and the public are definitely guilty of holding racist and xenophobic biases towards her too.

Character not colour.

[Tom4784]

Character not colour.

That's a meaningless statement though, are you saying there is no bigotry towards her? That everyone who hates her hates her solely because of their own interpretations of her 'actions?'

That is entirely unrealistic.

[jet]

That's a meaningless statement though, are you saying there is no bigotry towards her? That everyone who hates her hates her solely because of their own interpretations of her 'actions?'

That is entirely unrealistic.

Not from anyone on here or anyone I know. I've seen very very little bigotry towards her in the general media either apart from a few media things posted on here.
I don't do social media like twitter etc so maybe there is bigotry there, all I can say is I have never come across it in everyday life so neither will the majority of the general public. It's her character and actions I dislike and I'd guess its the same for most people.
It's right to point out bigotry when it is seen, disgusting and cruel to accuse people of it when it isn't and just assumed!

[Tom4784]

Not from anyone on here or anyone I know. I've seen very very little bigotry towards her in the general media either apart from a few things posted on here.
I don't do social media like twitter etc so maybe there is bigotry there, all I can say is I have never come across it in everyday life so neither will the majority of the general public. It's her character and actions I dislike and I'd guess its the same for most people.
It's right to point out bigotry when it is seen, disgusting and cruel to accuse people of it when it isn't and just assumed!

You can't really say that none of the hatred is bigoted in nature, it's unrealistic to assume that all the hate towards Meghan Markle is without bigoted bias.

Just because you have no personal experience of it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

[GoldHeart]

https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/piers-morgan-names-sarah-ferguson-23896547

Piers Morgan has named Sarah Ferguson as one of the royals who reached out to support him after he was forced to quit Good Morning Britain over his coverage of Meghan Markle's interview with Oprah Winfrey.

It comes after Piers previously declared that "several members of the royal family" had reached out to him after he called out Prince Harry and Meghan Markle over their bombshell claims.
In his column for the Mail on Sunday this weekend, Piers admitted Prince Andrew's ex-wife Fergie was one of the royals who had supported him.
He wrote: "Not all Royal duchesses were as thrilled as Meghan 'Pinocchio' Markle to see me leave GMB.

"'People have said how much they miss your morning joy and humour,' texted Sarah, Duchess of York, 'get back out there!'"

How laughable and pathetic ,that he actually thinks Meghan would waste a second of her time thinking about him :laugh: .

[jet]

You can't really say that none of the hatred is bigoted in nature, it's unrealistic to assume that all the hate towards Meghan Markle is without bigoted bias.

Just because you have no personal experience of it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Stop putting words into my mouth. That is not what I said.

[jet]

How laughable and pathetic ,that he actually thinks Meghan would waste a second of her time thinking about him :laugh: .

She wasted more than a second watching him on GMB, phoning Ofcom and then the boss of the show to complain about him. She can't stand that he can see right through her. :laugh:

[GoldHeart]

She wasted more than a second watching him on GMB, phoning Ofcom and then the boss of the show to complain about him. She can't stand that he can see right through her. :laugh:

Piers has spent his entire crappy 'journalism' career on bashing Meghan , I'm actually shocked when he talks about another subject . Because usually all that comes out his mouth is "Meghan this Meghan that " .

He's an angry bitter salty bag of hot air . He repeatedly moans and gets upset over Meghan . Anyone would think he'd been bliddy married to her :umm2::umm2: .

Nothing ever happened between him and Meghan ,but in his fanfiction mind he actually thought his washed out self had a chance with her . Everything he projects is that of an obnoxious narcissist .

Meghan still hasn't spent her life and career worrying about him. He can't go 5 seconds without ranting about her , it's embarrassing :bored: .

[Tom4784]

Stop putting words into my mouth. That is not what I said.

I'm responding, I'm not putting words in your mouth.

I started by saying that the coverage and public reception of her is no doubt influenced by bigotry and you responded with 'Character not colour' which by itself is downplaying the bigotry of the situation. I responded by saying that it's unrealistic to think that there's no bigotry involved in the hatred of her, to which you brought up personal experience which is ultimately irrelevant to the point I'm making.

It doesn't really matter, because it's undeniable that certain people who will hate Meghan Markle will hate her for her race, her gender and her nationality.

[Kazanne]

Piers has spent his entire crappy 'journalism' career on bashing Meghan , I'm actually shocked when he talks about another subject . Because usually all that comes out his mouth is "Meghan this Meghan that " .

He's an angry bitter salty bag of hot air . He repeatedly moans and gets upset over Meghan . Anyone would think he'd been bliddy married to her :umm2::umm2: .

Nothing ever happened between him and Meghan ,but in his fanfiction mind he actually thought his washed out self had a chance with her . Everything he projects is that of an obnoxious narcissist .

Meghan still hasn't spent her life and career worrying about him. He can't go 5 seconds without ranting about her , it's embarrassing :bored: .

Oh I'm not sure about that one,he did his fair share on the PM , Megan took over as soon as the jabs were going well.

[user104658]

Oh I'm not sure about that one,he did his fair share on the PM , Megan took over as soon as the jabs were going well.


Naw he's been sprinkling the Meghan hatred around here and there for much longer than that, he just had more time to really double down.

[GoldHeart]

Oh I'm not sure about that one,he did his fair share on the PM , Megan took over as soon as the jabs were going well.

But he still always goes back to slagging Meghan off , he can't get over her . He's very delusional and pitiful.

[Marsh.]

Oh I'm not sure about that one,he did his fair share on the PM , Megan took over as soon as the jabs were going well.

His obsession with Meghan long predates the jabs.

[jet]

https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1407417/meghan-markle-piers-morgan-history-friendship-evg

So what is the history between Piers and Meghan?

The relationship between the two stems back to before Meghan even met Prince Harry.
In December 2018, six months after Meghan and Harry's wedding, Piers, 55, took to the Daily Mail to write an extensive column about the Duchess, which he titled: “Meghan Markle is a ruthless social climbing actress who has landed the role of her life and is determined to milk it for all she can - and that’s why the Palace is beginning to turn on her.”
The column begins to say “I was ghosted by Meghan Markle,” and goes on to detail how Meghan and Piers were friendly in 2015, starting with following each other on Twitter.

He said they then began to correspond regularly, chatting about all sorts of topics.
He wrote: “She even started sending me early preview episodes of her show so we could debate juicy storylines yet to air – which we did, at length.”
Then, in June 2016, they met for drinks in London at his favourite pub while she was in town.
And that, it seems, was the end of the friendship. He wrote: “At this point, I was indeed labouring under the massive misapprehension that we were friends. I was wrong.

“She met Prince Harry at the dinner that night, went on a solo date with him the next night, and I never heard from her again. Not a word. I’d been ghosted.”
Piers took this perceived snub with great offence.
He wrote: “I’d been ‘played’ by a couple of B-list actors (he also speaks of Meghan’s friend, Rick Hoffman), who were clearly just using me to advance their careers.”
............................................

She made a big mistake ghosting someone with an ego like Piers. :laugh:
He is always spot on about Duchess NoUseToMeNow though.

[Marsh.]

The irony that he’s been using her for his own career for at least three years now.

But... you go on blaming the woman.

[thesheriff443]

Reports from meghans friend said she did not intend to go to Philips funeral as she didn’t want to over shadow the funeral

[user104658]

She made a big mistake ghosting someone with an ego like Piers. :laugh:


Indeed she did. Interesting that you find that "funny". Not surprising, but interesting.

[GoldHeart]

Reports from meghans friend said she did not intend to go to Philips funeral as she didn’t want to over shadow the funeral

Being HEAVILY Pregnant had nothing to do with it then ?

[user104658]

“Meghan Markle is a ruthless social climbing actress who has landed the role of her life and is determined to milk it for all she can"

“I was ghosted by Meghan Markle”

“At this point, I was indeed labouring under the massive misapprehension that we were friends. I was wrong."

"I never heard from her again. Not a word. I’d been ghosted."

Piers took this perceived snub with great offence.

“I’d been ‘played’ by a couple of B-list actors"


The entirety of Piers Morgan's sad, cucked bitterness summed up. Thankyou jet, very succinct.

[jet]

The entirety of Piers Morgan's sad, cucked bitterness summed up. Thankyou jet, very succinct.

You're very welcome! :D

[Crimson Dynamo]

Indeed she did. Interesting that you find that "funny". Not surprising, but interesting.

what it is is very rude

but then i guess she is rude

[user104658]

what it is is very rude

but then i guess she is rude

As we have no idea what her reasons were, we have no idea whether or not it was rude. No one "owes" anyone a friendship, and while I agree it would be harsh to cut contact with someone out of the blue for absolutely no reason, we don't know that she had no reason - maybe he said something or made her uncomfortable on their dinner date? Maybe Harry told her some things about Piers that made her no longer want contact with him? Not saying either of those things definitely happened -- just that we can't judge as we don't know :hee:.

EITHER WAY. Even if it was for no reason - which I have agreed would be harsh - it doesn't justify a bitter "revenge campaign". It's still incredibly, incredibly sad that he couldn't just say "Well that's a shame and very hurtful" and then ****ing move on like a grown-up.

[Crimson Dynamo]

there has been no "campaign"

he is a news anchor and paid to make an opinion on the news

and online in articles

its why he is so very successful as an anchor, a journalist and author

[GoldHeart]

The more and more Piers rants and spouts garbage out his mouth, the more it confirms Meghan made the right decision to avoid him / cut him out .

His hate campaign shows his true colours ,of what a very bitter nasty man he is. Who would want a friend like him seriously :umm2: .

Buying someone a drinking and talking to them , doesn't mean you own them . How do we know he didn't make her feel uncomfortable? , Plus we don't know how they parted ways .

The weirdo makes it sound like he was in a long term relationship with Meghan or something, he's such a creep :facepalm: .

[bots]

here is a thought for the day ... if Piers dislikes her as much as he says, why would he obsess on her so much? In my experience the last thing you want to do is talk about someone you can't stand. You push them out of your mind and never give them a moments thought again, particularly when you can't even make the excuse that your job demands it

[Glenn.]

here is a thought for the day ... if Piers dislikes her as much as he says, why would he obsess on her so much? In my experience the last thing you want to do is talk about someone you can't stand. You push them out of your mind and never give them a moments thought again, particularly when you can't even make the excuse that your job demands it

Sound advice there.

[rusticgal]

Piers is like a Dog with a bone..he gets someone between his teeth and he cant let go. He has done it with plenty..shes not the first and she wont be the last and whilst she continues to create headlines he will continue to attack.

[thesheriff443]

Being HEAVILY Pregnant had nothing to do with it then ?

Her mum was determined Meghan wouldn’t travel but for Meghan it seems she didn’t want be the centre of attention

[Crimson Dynamo]

The more and more Piers rants and spouts garbage out his mouth, the more it confirms Meghan made the right decision to avoid him / cut him out .

His hate campaign shows his true colours ,of what a very bitter nasty man he is. Who would want a friend like him seriously :umm2: .

Buying someone a drinking and talking to them , doesn't mean you own them . How do we know he didn't make her feel uncomfortable? , Plus we don't know how they parted ways .

The weirdo makes it sound like he was in a long term relationship with Meghan or something, he's such a creep :facepalm: .
i am afraid this is very much a minority view

Piers is a very popular sucessful man and got record audience figures for GMB - the person you paint does nto resemble him.

He was a very successful judge on BGT ffs

:facepalm:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Piers is like a Dog with a bone..he gets someone between his teeth and he cant let go. He has done it with plenty..shes not the first and she wont be the last and whilst she continues to create headlines he will continue to attack.

People do not realise that he is being contacted by hundreds of different types of media all desperate to get him talking about Markle because they know its golden content

I think we need to be a bit cannier here as to what really is going on

:spin:

[rusticgal]

here is a thought for the day ... if Piers dislikes her as much as he says, why would he obsess on her so much? In my experience the last thing you want to do is talk about someone you can't stand. You push them out of your mind and never give them a moments thought again, particularly when you can't even make the excuse that your job demands it


I think its because many people have those opinions and he has a platform to express them in a way that many haven't. Its what he and many do as journalists...they become a 'voice' and like him or loathe him he isnt frightened to say what many wouldn't.

[rusticgal]

People do not realise that he is being contacted by hundreds of different types of media all desperate to get him talking about Markle because they know its golden content

I think we need to be a bit cannier here as to what really is going on

:spin:


Oh...no doubt. He has become the mouthpiece for all those that dislike her.

[user104658]

i am afraid this is very much a minority view

Is it?

Piers is a very popular sucessful man and got record audience figures for GMB - the person you paint does nto resemble him.

He was a very successful judge on BGT ffs

:facepalm:

Don't mistake popularity and mass appeal for "majority" appeal. Did lots of people enjoy watching him on GMB, give them good ratings, etc? Yes. Do the majority of people watch GMB at all? No.

Did many people like him on BGT? Sure. Do the majority of people even watch BGT at all let alone like Piers on it? No.

You have no evidence at all that a skepticism of Piers Morgan is a "minority opinion".

[user104658]

Piers is like a Dog with a bone

He's certainly like something "with a bone" :hehe:.

[Marsh.]

Reports from meghans friend said she did not intend to go to Philips funeral as she didn’t want to over shadow the funeral

Reports from Eugenie's friend say Philip's death is a fake out.

[jet]

https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/celebrity-life/royals/princess-anne-finally-revealed-as-royal-accused-of-racism-by-harry-and-meghan/news-story/b0c285473a568cc2c01036c9fcea251d

Princess Anne finally revealed as royal accused of racism by Harry and Meghan
Nick Bond

Controversial British socialite Lady Colin Campbell has claimed that Princess Anne is the previously unnamed royal hit with racism allegations by Prince Harry and Meghan Markle in their explosive Oprah interview.
But Campbell insists the race row was in fact a “misunderstanding,” and that the senior royal had instead been expressing concerns about whether Meghan was a good fit for the royal family.
In a new video posted to YouTube, Campbell – who has published eight books on the royal family including a best-selling biography of Princess Diana – claimed: “I know who it is – I’ve known for a little while who it is.”

She claimed that, as Harry and Meghan’s relationship developed, the person who “absolutely saw (Meghan) coming a mile off was Princess Anne”.
“Princess Anne absolutely knew what Meghan was from the word go. She watched the relationship with increasing horror, because the more she knew, the more she saw and the more reports she got back about Meghan, was that beneath the ruthless charm was a real operator.

Campbell claims Anne objected to her nephew’s relationship with Meghan on the basis of “conduct and character,” which she claims Harry interpreted as concerns about Meghan’s race. She claimed three separate sources had confirmed to her that the conversation had been “twisted”.
“There were no concerns about Meghan’s colour. Princess Anne was rightly concerned that if the marriage proceeded and there were children, there would be huge problems. Not because of Meghan’s colour, but because of Meghan’s inability and determination to remain unable to appreciate the cultural differences, and to have respect for the institution into which she was going to marry,” she claimed.
“Harry ran to Meghan with the objections, Meghan weaponised them on the grounds of colour. We are looking at people who are very eager to spot a slight where doubtless none exist.”

[Jordan.]

Controversial British socialite Lady Colin Campbell has claimed

:joker:

[bots]

it wouldn't surprise me at all if it was princess anne

[thesheriff443]

Reports from Eugenie's friend say Philip's death is a fake out.

Fake

[jet]

it wouldn't surprise me at all if it was princess anne

Yep. "She saw Meghan coming a mile off". :laugh:
The majority of the public didn't catch up with her until after the wedding...

[hijaxers]

Yep. "She saw Meghan coming a mile off". :laugh:
The majority of the public didn't catch up with her until after the wedding...

We sure have now and now she's saying she's willing to forgive the Royal family.... Really , excuse me you are the liar and they have done nothing wrong.

[jet]

We sure have now and now she's saying she's willing to forgive the Royal family.... Really , excuse me you are the liar and they have done nothing wrong.

That's nice dear. :pat: She's delusional. :laugh:

[Tom4784]

:joker:

It's always gossip masquerading as news, isn't it? Gossip and speculation and absolutely no facts whatsoever. Just the blatherings of gossip mongers desperate for a handout from the press. If only the people who paid attention to this dirge did so with a more discerning eye.

[Marsh.]

Yep. "She saw Meghan coming a mile off". :laugh:
The majority of the public didn't catch up with her until after the wedding...

You. do. not. know. her.

[jet]

It's always gossip masquerading as news, isn't it? Gossip and speculation and absolutely no facts whatsoever. Just the blatherings of gossip mongers desperate for a handout from the press. If only the people who paid attention to this dirge did so with a more discerning eye.

Lady Colin Campbell has loads of contacts though:
Viscounts and Viscountesses
Lords and Ladies
Marques and their wives
Earls, Counts, and Countesses
Dukes and Duchesses
Barons and Baronesses
People will a load of money
People who have been associated with the royal family for years but are not nobility like ladies-in-waiting to the Queen and other royals.

She attends all the high society events and throws her own dinner parties where she gets all the goss.
For example, she was the first to break news of Diana's bulimia, Andrew's romance with Koo Stark, and Wiliam's interest in a girl called Kate! :hee:

So I wouldn't automatically brush her off....and it sounds so like our Princess Anne too, she's an astute lady...:hee:

[Tom4784]

All that tells me she deals in gossip. She's not part of the family, she, like the rest of us, do not know their struggles and she's relying on hearsay from others to push a narrative.

If I were to go to your neighbour and ask them about you, and then publish those views as the truth, it wouldn't be accurate, so why accept similar speculation and gossip as the truth? It's just pointless.

[Nicky91]

Lady Colin Campbell is just a desperate old hag who relies on media gossip for self promotion of her books :idc:

[jet]

All that tells me she deals in gossip. She's not part of the family, she, like the rest of us, do not know their struggles and she's relying on hearsay from others to push a narrative.

If I were to go to your neighbour and ask them about you, and then publish those views as the truth, it wouldn't be accurate, so why accept similar speculation and gossip as the truth? It's just pointless.

You are doing it again - putting words into my mouth.
Saying I wouldn't automatically brush it off and accepting it as truth are 2 differnt things.
It sounds plausible though. :smug:

[Glenn.]

You are doing it again - putting words into my mouth.
Saying I wouldn't automatically brush it off and accepting it as truth are 2 differnt things.
It sounds plausible though. :smug:

It fits your biased opinion though so you do accept it as truth.

[user104658]

You are doing it again - putting words into my mouth.
Saying I wouldn't automatically brush it off and accepting it as truth are 2 differnt things.
It sounds plausible though. :smug:

It also sounds plausible that she made comments about skin colour, given that she was Phil's favourite, which probably means she shared his sense of humour.

[rusticgal]

All that tells me she deals in gossip. She's not part of the family, she, like the rest of us, do not know their struggles and she's relying on hearsay from others to push a narrative.




How do you know what she actually knows...do you know her personally?

[jet]

It also sounds plausible that she made comments about skin colour, given that she was Phil's favourite, which probably means she shared his sense of humour.

She claimed three separate sources had confirmed to her that the conversation had been “twisted”.

Not in Lady Colin's account though.

[Ammi]

...’ also has a reputation of being a gossip-monger.’....


...she’s know for writing in depth biographies of people she never met...her income is earned from her gossip....

[Ammi]

...I’m pretty sure that she was discredited as any type of ‘reliable source’ around 73 threads ago...the circles and circles...

[jet]

...I’m pretty sure that she was discredited as any type of ‘reliable source’ around 73 threads ago...the circles and circles...

I'm pretty sure she wasn't actually 'discredited' at all....

[Crimson Dynamo]

when she was on imacgmooh Tibb thought the sun shone oot her backside as I recall...

:idc:

[jet]

I wonder why Pinocchio hasn't sued her yet for not believing her in her book? :whistle:

[GoldHeart]

when she was on imacgmooh Tibb thought the sun shone oot her backside as I recall...

:idc:

If you're talking about Lady C , she's always been a marmite character.

I COULD NOT stand her when IAC started, then I started to like her as entertainment for the show .But overall I'm not a fan of hers . And I can tell she's a gossip and a difficult person.

[jet]

https://www.ok.co.uk/royal/royal-news/prince-harry-meghan-princess-anne-23835565

..............The writer and socialite (Lady C) also claimed that Princess Anne thought Meghan was "flagrantly attention seeking."

She finished: "It just absolutely turned Princess Anne off. Because she couldn't stand Meghan's constant 'uh, uh, me, me me, me'.
.............

Again, sounds plausible. :think:

[joeysteele]

...’ also has a reputation of being a gossip-monger.’....


...she’s know for writing in depth biographies of people she never met...her income is earned from her gossip....


Seems probably appropriate as to her Ammi.

[jet]

...’ also has a reputation of being a gossip-monger.’....


...she’s know for writing in depth biographies of people she never met...her income is earned from her gossip....

A very good income she makes from it too as her books are very popular. I guess her gossip must be well considered or people would have disregarded her writings long ago. :hee:

[Jordan.]

I don't think people who read her books care about credibility.

[jet]

I don't think people who read her books care about credibility.

You know them all do you? It would be more accurate to say some won't, some will. :hee:

[Tom4784]

You are doing it again - putting words into my mouth.
Saying I wouldn't automatically brush it off and accepting it as truth are 2 differnt things.
It sounds plausible though. :smug:

But if these..... 'sources' said the opposite, that Meghan was lovely and everything was good, would you believe them? I don't think you would. I wouldn't believe hearsay either way and I personally wouldn't give a **** either way if it weren't for the bigotry of the public and the media.

Also, I'm not doing anything but respond to what you are saying, leave the sniping out of it.

[Tom4784]

How do you know what she actually knows...do you know her personally?

All I know is that, like so many of the press and the public, she seems to think she has insider knowledge of a family she is not part of and acts like secondhand gossip is gospel.

I know enough to not be suckered in by idle gossip.

[Kazanne]

I'm sure Lady C was a firm favourite on here during I'm celebrity , as she was quite nasty with some of her remarks, I never liked her then don't like her now, but she was liked on here for her caustic remarks.

[Tom4784]

when she was on imacgmooh Tibb thought the sun shone oot her backside as I recall...

:idc:

There's a difference between being an entertaining figure on a TV and dealing in gossip and calling it truth. It's obvious really, it shouldn't HAVE to be said that there's a difference, but here we are.

[Crimson Dynamo]

There's a difference between being an entertaining figure on a TV and dealing in gossip and calling it truth. It's obvious really, it shouldn't HAVE to be said that there's a difference, but here we are.

she spent the whole series dishing out gossip

and guess what - "omg kween" "we are not worthy" "yaaaasss" etc etc


:skull:

you cant rewrite history....

[Tom4784]

Because she played an entertaining role on a entertainment TV show.

It's like saying that people like Mr. Bean and that means we should take him seriously as a source of news because of it. It's complete nonsense.

[Liam-]

Kendra Wilkinson was a favourite on the show as well, I wouldn’t trust her royal insight either

[user104658]

https://www.ok.co.uk/royal/royal-news/prince-harry-meghan-princess-anne-23835565

..............The writer and socialite (Lady C) also claimed that Princess Anne thought Meghan was "flagrantly attention seeking."

She finished: "It just absolutely turned Princess Anne off. Because she couldn't stand Meghan's constant 'uh, uh, me, me me, me'.
.............

Again, sounds plausible. :think:


Oh so she's confirmed that Meghan was never liked by the Royals, her "face didn't fit" from the start and the family regarded her an an unwanted outsider and thus likely treated her as such? Good on you Lady C at least someone is being honest; the rest of the Royals (including the Queen) have vehemently denied this and said she was welcomed and loved, and that's what many on this thread (yourself included Jet) have insisted for months, but now we can see that Lady C is confirming that Princess Anne at the very least - who is very much Royal inner circle of course - felt very differently as many of us suspected.

:clap1: the truth coming out at last, Harry and Meghan found themselves looked down upon and disliked and were right to get out of there.

[jet]

But if these..... 'sources' said the opposite, that Meghan was lovely and everything was good, would you believe them? I don't think you would. I wouldn't believe hearsay either way and I personally wouldn't give a **** either way if it weren't for the bigotry of the public and the media.

Also, I'm not doing anything but respond to what you are saying, leave the sniping out of it.

I'm not sniping, I'm pointing out that you don't respond to what I'm saying, you exaggerate what I say for some reason - for effect, perhaps? Can you please stop doing that.

[jet]

Oh so she's confirmed that Meghan was never liked by the Royals, her "face didn't fit" from the start and the family regarded her an an unwanted outsider and thus likely treated her as such? Good on you Lady C at least someone is being honest; the rest of the Royals (including the Queen) have vehemently denied this and said she was welcomed and loved, and that's what many on this thread (yourself included Jet) have insisted for months, but now we can see that Lady C is confirming that Princess Anne at the very least - who is very much Royal inner circle of course - felt very differently as many of us suspected.

:clap1: the truth coming out at last, Harry and Meghan found themselves looked down upon and disliked and were right to get out of there.

My goodness, Princess Anne is all the Royals rolled into one now. How silly. :laugh:

You should read Lady C's book before you let your imagination run amok.
She said Megsie went out of her way to charm the kilt off Charles and the headscarf off the Queen, who both welcomed her warmly (like Meghan herself said) and treated her like no other girlfriend had been treated before. And Wills and Kate visited often with the kids and brought flowers and gifts. Others have said the same thing.

I'm sure Meghan didn't turn on the charm for lesser royals though and I bet she knew Anne could see right through her and didn't even try to turn on the charm for her. Anne has long been considered the sharpest and most astute royal who doesn't suffer fools gladly (or grifters, apparently). :dance:

[jet]

Meghan has a way of turning on the charm if she finds you of use, it is said; she did it with poor ole Piers as well as past 'friends', but as soon as it inevitably goes wrong, either because their usefulness is over or they start to see through her, the relationships flounder and end. It's a well documented pattern from old friends, work colleagues, her fathers family, her mothers family, the royal family...

[user104658]

Meghan has a way of turning on the charm if she finds you of use, it is said; she did it with poor ole Piers as well as past 'friends', but as soon as it inevitably goes wrong, either because their usefulness is over or they start to see through her, the relationships flounder and end. It's a well documented pattern from old friends, work colleagues, her fathers family, her mothers family, the royal family...

It's not a realistic description of an actual person in the real world though. It's fantastical cartoon villain nonsense that doesn't describe a realistic, nuanced set of circumstances. It's a childish "goodies" and "baddies" worldview that I had thought most people grew out of in their early 20's, but apparently not.

[Marsh.]

ok.co.uk

..............The writer and socialite (Lady C)

:laugh2:

[Marsh.]

A very good income she makes from it too as her books are very popular. I guess her gossip must be well considered or people would have disregarded her writings long ago. :hee:

Or people read them for the same reason lots of people read OK magazine and similar, they love a gossip and don't care about its authenticity.

[Marsh.]

I'm sure Lady C was a firm favourite on here during I'm celebrity , as she was quite nasty with some of her remarks, I never liked her then don't like her now, but she was liked on here for her caustic remarks.

What's that got to do with anything?

Whether people enjoyed watching her argumentative nature on a reality television show or not has no bearing on the authenticity of her writings.

[user104658]

What's that got to do with anything?

Whether people enjoyed watching her argumentative nature on a reality television show or not has no bearing on the authenticity of her writings.

Indeed. I mean, I found Stephen Bear winding folk up on CBB highly entertaining but on a personal level he might literally be one of the worst people in the world. Conversely, there have been plenty of lovely seeming people on various reality telly shows who were painfully dull. The two are totally unrelated.

[jet]

It's not a realistic description of an actual person in the real world though. It's fantastical cartoon villain nonsense that doesn't describe a realistic, nuanced set of circumstances. It's a childish "goodies" and "baddies" worldview that I had thought most people grew out of in their early 20's, but apparently not.

It isn't nonsense though, there are many accounts out there and they all can't just be disregarded because you want them to be. Taken as a whole, they are more believable than unbelieveable.
Has she good relationships with her mothers family, her fathers family, the royal family, her ex husband, (with whom she ended the marrige by sending him back her wedding ring in the post) old friends? Is it realistic to say they are all to blame and Meghan is the poor victim?
I'm referrng to her relationship history specifically, which does seem 'bad', unless someone way older than in their 20's thinks that is the norm. :shrug:

[Marsh.]

It isn't nonsense though

It is.

[GoldHeart]

Or people read them for the same reason lots of people read OK magazine and similar, they love a gossip and don't care about its authenticity.

Exactly
Some people even take soaps as real life , a few actors have been verbally attacked, just because they play an unpleasant character on screen.

[Tom4784]

Gossip is gossip, it doesn't become less so if it appeals to a person's confirmation bias.

[user104658]

It isn't nonsense though, there are many accounts out there and they all can't just be disregarded because you want them to be. Taken as a whole, they are more believable than unbelieveable.
Has she good relationships with her mothers family, her fathers family, the royal family, her ex husband, (with whom she ended the marrige by sending him back her wedding ring in the post) old friends? Is it realistic to say they are all to blame and Meghan is the poor victim?

No its realistic to say that families, relationships and individuals are complicated and that in the real world, it's never as simple as one person being a "wrong'un". Strapping bedsheets round our shoulders as a cape and cosplaying heroes and villains. That's a nice simple world to exist in I'm sure but it's not real.

[Kazanne]

It's ALL gossip,and hearsay from whatever media source, unless of course it's someone you like, then it's gospel. Word of mouth is the way to go.

[Crimson Dynamo]

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[Cherie]

1381959005031948292

not Philip the alleged racist being adored by Megs :laugh:

[user104658]

I'm slowly beginning to believe that "Royal Commentators" are the actual worst of journalism. Really just painful.

[thesheriff443]

I'm slowly beginning to believe that "Royal Commentators" are the actual worst of journalism. Really just painful.

Listen wake up, Meghan is putting it out there
She used her friends to put the contents of the letter to her father in the magazine

She is doing the same thing again. She sues anyone that puts her in a bad light so the friend has been given the nod

[user104658]

Listen wake up, Meghan is putting it out there
She used her friends to put the contents of the letter to her father in the magazine

She is doing the same thing again. She sues anyone that puts her in a bad light so the friend has been given the nod

Oh no eek how will we stop her

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[thesheriff443]

Oh no eek how will we stop her

https://media.giphy.com/media/pSWRouTGi6eKQ/giphy.gif

Meghan needs to stop to be honest, let Harry reconnect with his family.

[jet]

No its realistic to say that families, relationships and individuals are complicated and that in the real world, it's never as simple as one person being a "wrong'un". Strapping bedsheets round our shoulders as a cape and cosplaying heroes and villains. That's a nice simple world to exist in I'm sure but it's not real.

Sometimes it isn’t that simple, sometimes it is. :shrug:
We all form our opinions of anyone in the public eye from what we read, see, what those who know them say about them and what we hear from their own mouths and relate that to what we, as individuals, like or dislike in a person’s character. Its called human nature.

[jet]

not Philip the alleged racist being adored by Megs :laugh:

:idc: :laugh:

[jet]

I'm slowly beginning to believe that "Royal Commentators" are the actual worst of journalism. Really just painful.

These award winning authors and journalists are just the worstest when they say what people don't want to hear. :joker:

Prince Harry: Conversations With The Prince by Angela Levin.
An eye-opening, monumental biography of Prince Harry by a veteran journalist on royal affairs who accompanied the prince on his royal duties for a year and was granted privileged access to his home in Kensington Palace. ..

[user104658]

These award winning authors and journalists are just the worstest when they say what people don't want to hear. :joker:

Prince Harry: Conversations With The Prince.
An eye-opening, monumental biography of Prince Harry by a veteran journalist on royal affairs who accompanied the prince on his royal duties for a year and was granted privileged access to his home in Kensington Palace. ..

They're the worst because they have a clear and demonstrated conflict of interests when they feel that their livelihood (the continuation of the royal institution) is being threatened.

[Liam-]

Yes we noticed jet. Yet you still constantly try to pretend that you're offering a fair or balanced observation of what's going on. But as you say - you don't like her. It's clear that you don't like her. Your observations are always going to be skewed because of that dislike.

Would it surprise you to learn that I'm completely indifferent to Meghan Markle? Or that I have no feelings one way or the other between Harry/William - I don't "prefer" either of them?

They're all just people. Just a family, having family squabbles, like any other family.

What I dislike is the utterly ridiculous pantomime that's sprung up around it :idc:.

This is literally what it boils down to, nobody ever has a concrete reason as to what Meghan has done to deserve all of the vitriol she receives, it’s all about an unusually strong biased against her, the excuses made for the contempt towards her are beyond ridiculous

[jet]

They're the worst because they have a clear and demonstrated conflict of interests when they feel that their livelihood (the continuation of the royal institution) is being threatened.

I doubt she was thinking "the Royal Institution is in imminent danger (which it most certainly is not) I must say something negative about Megs asap" when she gave her opinion. :hee:

[Crimson Dynamo]

This is literally what it boils down to, nobody ever has a concrete reason as to what Meghan has done to deserve all of the vitriol she receives, it’s all about an unusually strong biased against her, the excuses made for the contempt towards her are beyond ridiculous

she used a fake interview to rubbish her inlaws for profit

one who died shortly after

i mean...

[Josy]

she used a fake interview to rubbish her inlaws for profit



one who died shortly after



i mean...When did she rubbish Phillip?

[Crimson Dynamo]

When did she rubbish Phillip?

she left it out there that he was a racist (if you think what they "claimed" was a racist comment)

deliberately

to cause damage

------------------

despicable

[Glenn.]

Well the abuse Meghan gets, started WAY before the interview aired for a start but you know that so let’s not suggest it’s because of the interview.

[Parmy]

Well the abuse Meghan gets, started WAY before the interview aired for a start but you know that so let’s not suggest it’s because of the interview.

She was greatly praised by many, including piers morgan.

[Josy]

she left it out there that he was a racist (if you think what they "claimed" was a racist comment)



deliberately



to cause damage



------------------



despicable

No she never [emoji23]

So basically then she never rubbished him at all, so you just came up with that..

[Parmy]

No she never [emoji23]

So basically then she never rubbished him at all, so you just came up with that..

Well she did, but she ain't clever enough to have meant it.

[Tom4784]

The hatred of Meghan Markle is just plain irrational. People are literally lying to themselves to justify their hatred.

[Glenn.]

She was greatly praised by many, including piers morgan.

What has that got to do with what I said?

[joeysteele]

No she never [emoji23]

So basically then she never rubbished him at all, so you just came up with that..

It was reported after the interview on all the news bulletins that both had stated that neither the Queen or Prince Philip had made the inappropriate comment.

So she never rubbished him at all.

[jet]

She attacked the institution he and the Queen had dedicated their lives to for over 70 years with her spiteful lies.