The war on transgender

[user104658]

The girl wasn’t sexually assaulted because it was a gender neutral toilet she was sexually assaulted because of a sicko.

It’s not a rubbish argument at all it just doesn’t fit your narrative that it happened because it was a gender neutral toilet.

You're just saying the same thing again. "people are assaulted because people who do assaults exist and that's that" and suggesting that it means there's no need for safeguarding, that safeguarding is pointless/ineffective or doesn't statistically dramatically reduce rates of assaults.

It's not a matter of opinion, you're just demonstrably and statistically wrong.

[Beso]

He obviously does Parm :conf:

Hopefully hes just winding us up.

[Mystic Mock]

I think if gender neutral Toilets become more common, then I believe that maybe hiring Security Guards to intervene if a sexual assault situation were to occur wouldn't be the worst idea in the world imo.

[Beso]

I think if gender neutral Toilets become more common, then I believe that maybe hiring Security Guards to intervene if a sexual assault situation were to occur wouldn't be the worst idea in the world imo.

The pervs would just become security guards.

[Mystic Mock]

The pervs would just become security guards.

That's a possibility.

But if society is pushing towards gender neutral Toilets in the future, having Security Guards there that can intervene if they start hearing screams coming from the Bathroom, is much better than having what's happened in this School in Essex.

[Beso]

That's a possibility.

But if society is pushing towards gender neutral Toilets in the future, having Security Guards there that can intervene if they start hearing screams coming from the Bathroom, is much better than having what's happened in this School in Essex.

But this is exactly why society should push back, this should never have been a thing even if what happened in essex hadnt happened. It shouldnt even be a case of what scenario is better than the other.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I think if gender neutral Toilets become more common, then I believe that maybe hiring Security Guards to intervene if a sexual assault situation were to occur wouldn't be the worst idea in the world imo.

"I think if gender neutral Toilets become more common"

there is no economic sense for builders to pander to a tiny fraction of the public who change their mind every month

its never, ever going to happen

[Glenn.]

You're just saying the same thing again. "people are assaulted because people who do assaults exist and that's that" and suggesting that it means there's no need for safeguarding, that safeguarding is pointless/ineffective or doesn't statistically dramatically reduce rates of assaults.

It's not a matter of opinion, you're just demonstrably and statistically wrong.

Cool

[user104658]

Cool

Indeed, cool Glenn. Too much of an ally to give a crap about statistical assault risks for women and children, if it gets in the way of something he thinks is more important. A real cool dude.

[Glenn.]

Not interested in blaming a sexual assault purely on the fact that it was a gender neutral toilet and not the unhinged individual that committed the assault.

[Mystic Mock]

But this is exactly why society should push back, this should never have been a thing even if what happened in essex hadnt happened. It shouldnt even be a case of what scenario is better than the other.

Sometimes as a society you have to compromise and choose between two options that you don't like, but pick the option that you think is less bad.

Just like the next GE ironically.:laugh:

[Mystic Mock]

"I think if gender neutral Toilets become more common"

there is no economic sense for builders to pander to a tiny fraction of the public who change their mind every month

its never, ever going to happen

I don't really rule anything out from happening anymore.

After 2016 it seems like the world has become similar to Alice In Wonderland in just how unpredictable and strange we can be as a society.

Being honest a gender neutral bathroom isn't even the strangest thing that's happened over the last seven years imo.

[user104658]

Not interested in blaming a sexual assault purely on the fact that it was a gender neutral toilet and not the unhinged individual that committed the assault.

The whole point of safeguarding is being aware that there are unhinged individuals out there who will hurt people, and taking appropriate and sensible precautions to minimise the damage that those unhinged individuals can do.

If people weren't aware that "bad folks want to do bad things" there would be no need for any rules in the first place.

Your stance appears to be, "don't bother with precautions, they don't do anything, if these people want to assault someone they'll find a way anyway".

Which isn't just flippant and dismissive - it's statistically and scientifically verified to simply not be true. Safeguarding practices are evidence-based. It's known FOR A STATISTICAL FACT that safeguarding precautions vastly reduce the rates of attacks and assaults on vulnerable people.

Coming along and saying "Nah I don't like the outcome of that so I'm going to pretend it isn't true" just confirms that your stance is as an ideologue with a preset agenda that takes precedence over any measured facts or figures. It's increasingly obvious that you don't give a stuff about anyone who falls outside your own ideological camp, so it baffles me that you still feel entitled to support from anyone else.

[AnnieK]

I don't think anyone is suggesting that any assault carried out in a gender neutral bathroom with be committed by a trans person, or a gay person or a gender neutral person. BUT having gender neutral bathrooms means that predators of sex, gender and sexuality can walk unchecked into any bathroom where there could be vulnerable people of any gender, age, sexuality and therefore attacks are far more easily committed.

I personally have no issue with trans women who are living as females using the same bathroom as me (however I rarely use any public bathrooms or changing rooms if I can help it) and am sure there have been occasions when I have and don't even realise I have I agree there does need to be some safeguards in place to protect the vulnerable in society and that does involve some single sex places.

[Glenn.]

I don't think anyone is suggesting that any assault carried out in a gender neutral bathroom with be committed by a trans person, or a gay person or a gender neutral person. BUT having gender neutral bathrooms means that predators of sex, gender and sexuality can walk unchecked into any bathroom where there could be vulnerable people of any gender, age, sexuality and therefore attacks are far more easily committed.

I personally have no issue with trans women who are living as females using the same bathroom as me (however I rarely use any public bathrooms or changing rooms if I can help it) and am sure there have been occasions when I have and don't even realise I have I agree there does need to be some safeguards in place to protect the vulnerable in society and that does involve some single sex places.

That’s great Annie but LT purposely posted it the thread which sole topic is transgender. It’s pretty clear what the intention was like most others on here that seem to fear trans people.

Because I can see another point of view and don’t immediately jump to the conclusion that it’s because of the gender neutral toilets I suddenly agree with sexual assault. I stand by the stance that if someone wants to assault someone they will.

[Crimson Dynamo]

and they certainly should never exist in schools

[Glenn.]

Like I say the toilets in schools down this way are simply a corridor of separate cubicles and it seems to work just fine

[Livia]

Are F to M kids demanding they use a communal toilet or the men's? No, of bloody course they're not.

This stuff shouldn't be in schools any more than religious indoctrination should.

[Niamh.]

Like I say the toilets in schools down this way are simply a corridor of separate cubicles and it seems to work just fine

The ideal solution is fully enclosed cubicles with sink/hand drier, it would be a hug expense though to places that already have toilets set up

[user104658]

Like I say the toilets in schools down this way are simply a corridor of separate cubicles and it seems to work just fine

I genuinely think you're making this up. No state school in the UK has converted or built an entire corridor into separate standalone gender neutral toilets. They don't have the space and they certainly don't have the budget; and until I see an actual example of schools doing this (a named school that has actually done it, that can be verified) I'm just going to say I think you're flat-out lying to fit a narrative with this vague "Well schools round this way..."

[Glenn.]

The ideal solution is fully enclosed cubicles with sink/hand drier, it would be a hug expense though to places that already have toilets set up

That’s what we have here.

[Oliver_W]

That’s what we have here.

Where? In which school or schools?

[user104658]

The ideal solution is fully enclosed cubicles with sink/hand drier, it would be a hug expense though to places that already have toilets set up

UK state schools are getting kids to pay 50p for new notepads if they lose or damage one because the budgets are so tight they can't afford to keep replacing them and Glenn's pedaling a story where they should be (in fact, are already!) carrying out extensive building and plumbing renovation works so that people can go into a toilet that fits their gender self ID.

Living in an actual fantasy world.

[Niamh.]

That’s what we have here.

That's great then, most places over here wouldn't though, they'd be those big rooms with sinks/hand driers etc in the communal area and then a row of stall type cubicles with open ceilings and ends

[user104658]

My daughter's high school has what amounts to gender neutral toilets available because they have always existed - there are 4 or 5 standalone disabled toilets scattered around the school that are just single toilets, that have always been there but in recent years are free to use for everyone, not just people with disabilities. They're gender-neutral by default because it's just one toilet.

My daughter does tend to use them, but that's because the student toilets are full of chavvy kids vaping and beating the **** out of each other, so a separate issue really.

The point I suppose is that because these facilities already exist (and should exist in every school, because disabled toilet access is a legal requirement) there is literally no need for gender neutral communal toilets. It's pandering to an ideal of "equality" that actually has no practical necessity whatsoever, at the expense of kids safety.

Now again as above - there's a totally separate debate to be had about communal toilets in general because "in a world without budget limitations" I think every public toilet including school toilets should be a standalone unit, for privacy and safety. It makes the whole gender debate around toilets moot and really is the ideal. In schools as I said above kids are already at very real risk of bullying and assault in the bathrooms unfortunately. Throwing a very real increased risk of opportunistic sexual assault into the mix for no particularly good reason is just madness.

Glenn has perpetrators of sexual assault painted as greasy, trenchcoat-wearing flashers who have some sort of life committment to carrying out an assault and will plan it and do it regardless. This is NOT the nature of the VAST majority of sexual assault, whatsoever. These assaults are carried out opportunistically, spontaneously, by people who you'd never have thought "sex predator!" about in a million years. Teenage boys are a MESS when it comes to understanding consent and appropriate behaviour at the best of times, let alone in mixed toilets with teenage girls. And that's always been the case. You also now have the Tates of the world making things 10x worse.

[Crimson Dynamo]

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[Glenn.]

Where? In which school or schools?

We have three main schools here, all have them

[Zizu]

We have just moved to communal pupil toilets … three of them at a cost of £750,000 !


They are better … a pleasant surprise


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[Oliver_W]

We have three main schools here, all have them

Not to be sceptical, but how do you know? Do you work in education and/or have young relatives who attend each school?

[Crimson Dynamo]

so wee girls have to use the stall that hulking great 6 foot plus lads have peed all over the seat or left the bowl looking like there has just been a speedway meeting in there?

[Glenn.]

Not to be sceptical, but how do you know? Do you work in education and/or have young relatives who attend each school?

I worked there when they were building them

[Niamh.]

I'm currently outside the fitting rooms in Penney's (which is the original Primark) waiting while Luke tries stuff on and they have a women's fitting room and an "any gender" fitting room

[user104658]

so wee girls have to use the stall that hulking great 6 foot plus lads have peed all over the seat or left the bowl looking like there has just been a speedway meeting in there?

The aspect of dignity, privacy and comfort for young girls is completely overlooked so badly that it's barely worth mentioning in these debates unfortunately. Apparently dignity and comfort is only important for adult males who want access to whatever they want access to no questions asked "or else you're a bigot". So long as they're happy and feel included and accepted, the rest is incidental/not important. And everyone else better feel the same about it :fist:.

[Niamh.]

The aspect of dignity, privacy and comfort for young girls is completely overlooked so badly that it's barely worth mentioning in these debates unfortunately. Apparently dignity and comfort is only important for adult males who want access to whatever they want access to no questions asked "or else you're a bigot". So long as they're happy and feel included and accepted, the rest is incidental/not important. And everyone else better feel the same about it :fist:.Yep, the fact that teens/pre teens and women have periods to deal with as well is completely belittled

[bots]

I don't think you should discount the amount of discomfort it will bring to the male community too. Most men will hate the idea of sharing a toilet with women. This is why i just don't understand why people are demanding it. It will make 99% of the population uncomfortable

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://twitter.com/BillboardChris/status/1674510966619271190?s=20

[user104658]

There was a "public comfort announcement" that women shouldn't be alarmed if male-bodied "women" get erections while using communal showers, as this is "a normal thing that can happen due to the warm water" and doesn't mean they're aroused.

Just flat-out nonsense.

[bots]

they were only tugging it to shake off any residual water

[Swan]

There was a "public comfort announcement" that women shouldn't be alarmed if male-bodied "women" get erections while using communal showers, as this is "a normal thing that can happen due to the warm water" and doesn't mean they're aroused.

Just flat-out nonsense.

The bloke is getting a hard knob because he's around loads of naked women, showering.

Nothing more feminine than a naked geeza showering with a massive stonk on!

[Beso]

I worked there when they were building them

Do you know if there have been any incidents of unwanted sexual advances or bullying etc.?

[Zizu]

so wee girls have to use the stall that hulking great 6 foot plus lads have peed all over the seat or left the bowl looking like there has just been a speedway meeting in there?


Guess so …


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[Glenn.]

Do you know if there have been any incidents of unwanted sexual advances or bullying etc.?

No.

It’s a small corridor with cubicles either side. It’s literally part of the corridor

[Beso]

No.

It’s a small corridor with cubicles either side. It’s literally part of the corridor

Sounds like butlins in the 80s.

[Liam-]

https://twitter.com/elierlick/status/1674454284597862400?s=46&t=-V1HH0UJyce-tDsLnymASQ

This is what happens when sensitive, hateful weirdos declare war on people they don’t like, just for being who they are

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://twitter.com/elierlick/status/1674454284597862400?s=46&t=-V1HH0UJyce-tDsLnymASQ

This is what happens when sensitive, hateful weirdos declare war on people they don’t like, just for being who they are

What calls on assaults are your referring to?

[Beso]

Isnt he a basketball player?

[Oliver_W]

https://twitter.com/elierlick/status/1674454284597862400?s=46&t=-V1HH0UJyce-tDsLnymASQ

This is what happens when sensitive, hateful weirdos declare war on people they don’t like, just for being who they are
I don't know Matt Walsh but when has Peterson been hateful or declared war on anyone?

Blame the Conservative religious background of the assailant, one of the articles said he hated Pride events on campus etc, which sounds more likely to have been his "motivation" than what you call weirdos on the internet.

[user104658]

https://twitter.com/elierlick/status/1674454284597862400?s=46&t=-V1HH0UJyce-tDsLnymASQ

This is what happens when sensitive, hateful weirdos declare war on people they don’t like, just for being who they are

What evidence is there that this has anything to do with this and isn't completely random? Violent sick people are just violent and sick and will find people to attack regardless. There's nothing you can do to stop it.

Haven't you heard?

[Swan]

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[Mystic Mock]

There was a "public comfort announcement" that women shouldn't be alarmed if male-bodied "women" get erections while using communal showers, as this is "a normal thing that can happen due to the warm water" and doesn't mean they're aroused.

Just flat-out nonsense.

Speaking for myself, I have never had an errection in a Shower.

So I'm curious to know whoever has claimed this? Because going by your post TS, I'm gathering you're in my position in being skeptical.

[Mystic Mock]

https://twitter.com/elierlick/status/1674454284597862400?s=46&t=-V1HH0UJyce-tDsLnymASQ

This is what happens when sensitive, hateful weirdos declare war on people they don’t like, just for being who they are

Jesus Christ! I honestly don't get how anyone can hate Trans people that badly.

And I get that the Media are pushing for a divide on the Trans topic, but anybody that harms individuals because of it have no excuses in my view, they're evil people who take their own Political agenda too far.

Btw I'm not saying that people can't have issues with the Trans community (or any other community for that matter) but keep it to a sane level, otherwise like Liam's already said, you're being a "sensitive, hateful weirdo."

[Cherie]

Jesus Christ! I honestly don't get how anyone can hate Trans people that badly.

And I get that the Media are pushing for a divide on the Trans topic, but anybody that harms individuals because of it have no excuses in my view, they're evil people who take their own Political agenda too far.

Btw I'm not saying that people can't have issues with the Trans community (or any other community for that matter) but keep it to a sane level, otherwise like Liam's already said, you're being a "sensitive, hateful weirdo."

I think most people are accepting of the trans community, what is not acceptable is the number of band wagon jumpers who are using the trans community for their own agenda, in sports for financial gain, predators, trying to get softer prison access etc

[Cherie]

We have just moved to communal pupil toilets … three of them at a cost of £750,000 !


They are better … a pleasant surprise


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seems a massive misuse of funds? thought schools were stretched!!!

[Crimson Dynamo]

seems a massive misuse of funds? thought schools were stretched!!!

probably why they are asking pupils to pay for their jotters

meanwhile the Unions will be bleating that they are underfunded

you could not make it up

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://twitter.com/CitizenFreePres/status/1674814947753340928?s=20

[Swan]

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[Liam-]

https://twitter.com/pinknews/status/1677329120227913728?s=46&t=-V1HH0UJyce-tDsLnymASQ

[Cherie]

ZD8YNZVi3Uo

well said that woman

[Cherie]

https://twitter.com/pinknews/status/1677329120227913728?s=46&t=-V1HH0UJyce-tDsLnymASQ

one man? graves and tributes being desecrated are not uncommon, families of bereaved are trolled online.... this isn't exclusive to the trans community much as you would like it to be

[Swan]

well said that woman

People will call you a snowflake, and/or a bigot for rejecting Cis. Well that's fine, im not a Cis man, i identify as a man. If im snowflake for rejecting the Cis title, that's fine by me.

[Cherie]

People will call you a snowflake, and/or a bigot for rejecting Cis. Well that's fine, im not a Cis man, i identify as a man. If im snowflake for rejecting the Cis title, that's fine by me.

I dont need to accept a label bestowed on me by someone else, same as any other name they might call me, I do not have to accept it

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://twitter.com/BernieSpofforth/status/1677945571271639043?s=20

[Zizu]

seems a massive misuse of funds? thought schools were stretched!!!


The ‘trust’ gets some kind of ‘funding’.. it’s all a bit vague to be fair .. maybe it’s a government idea ??


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[Crimson Dynamo]

https://twitter.com/Jebadoo2/status/1678564443074994178?s=20

[user104658]

It is a big part of the problem really. A lot of trans women are essentially LARPing a stereotype of a woman and saying "Look at me, I'm a woman! Can't you see? This is what a woman is!" and if anyone says otherwise they're being offensive. It's madness.

[Beso]

https://twitter.com/BernieSpofforth/status/1677945571271639043?s=20

She is the only decent one I've come across..or so I thought.:shrug::blush:

[hijaxers]

ZD8YNZVi3Uo

Well said Julia ,speaking the truth.

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://twitter.com/ReduxxMag/status/1679249684823433220?s=20

[Crimson Dynamo]

Transgender riders banned from all cycling events

The UCI has followed athletics in preventing transgender women competing if
they went through male puberty

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/cycling/2023/07/14/TELEMMGLPICT000334175799_16893387844450_trans_NvBQ zQNjv4BqX8kpX0zDCxqzK2kD7K9z0knNHwDIV5hcIzZs8BgPRl M.jpeg?imwidth=500

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cycling/2023/07/14/transgender-cycling-news-uci-bans-athletes-female-races/?li_source=LI&li_medium=liftigniter-onward-journey

[user104658]

"If they went through male puberty" is concerning in itself though, because it pretty much encourages the use of hormone blockers in pre-teens.

I could go into why that's a bad idea in depth but just to keep it simple -- the idea that a pre-pubescent child has any concept of what gender means or of their "identity" in relation to it in any meaningful way is absolute ****ing nonsense.

They cannot consent to puberty blockers. No child should be given them, full stop. There should be no "if" about it... the idea that they're safe is a flat out lie, and pumping kids full of them based on a social fantasy is both morally bankrupt and medical negligence.

[Crimson Dynamo]

"If they went through male puberty" is concerning in itself though, because it pretty much encourages the use of hormone blockers in pre-teens.

I could go into why that's a bad idea in depth but just to keep it simple -- the idea that a pre-pubescent child has any concept of what gender means or of their "identity" in relation to it in any meaningful way is absolute ****ing nonsense.

They cannot consent to puberty blockers. No child should be given them, full stop. There should be no "if" about it... the idea that they're safe is a flat out lie, and pumping kids full of them based on a social fantasy is both morally bankrupt and medical negligence.

https://twitter.com/jordanbpeterson/status/1679759294428790785?s=20

[user104658]

https://twitter.com/jordanbpeterson/status/1679759294428790785?s=20

Munchausen's. In theory, it'll have a higher incidence amongst high-profile people like actors.

They're so often adopted, too...

[hijaxers]

Munchausen's. In theory, it'll have a higher incidence amongst high-profile people like actors.

They're so often adopted, too...

That woman was not fit to adopt ~ she' s mentally ill and inflicting it on children that should be taken away from her immediately.

[Crimson Dynamo]

That woman was not fit to adopt ~ she' s mentally ill and inflicting it on children that should be taken away from her immediately.

+1

[arista]

BBC News Text
[Expectations that Prime Minister Rishi Sunak
will "delay issuing trans guidance
for schools". A Whitehall source reportedly
told the paper that Women and
Equalities Minister Kemi Badenoch
"had pushed for the guidance to be hardened".]

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[Mystic Mock]

I think most people are accepting of the trans community, what is not acceptable is the number of band wagon jumpers who are using the trans community for their own agenda, in sports for financial gain, predators, trying to get softer prison access etc

Personally I have no issues with what you've said in this post, plus I can agree with you to some extent on certain points that you've made.

My main issue is not with people having issues with possible loopholes around self-ID or anything like that, I just personally don't like to see people harmed physically, especially when the reason is because the victim is Trans or insert whatever group you can think of.

[Mystic Mock]

https://twitter.com/CitizenFreePres/status/1674814947753340928?s=20

He meant that.:joker:

[Mystic Mock]

https://twitter.com/pinknews/status/1677329120227913728?s=46&t=-V1HH0UJyce-tDsLnymASQ

People like that are disgusting.

[arista]

Tomorrow, the last day of
Parliament before their Holiday.

They will announce the Government
has failed to give teachers the Guidance
in time

MP's have no current agreement on it.


Chris Mason
BBCnewsHD

[Crimson Dynamo]

Tomorrow, the last day of
Parliament before their Holiday.

They will announce the Government
has failed to give teachers the Guidance
in time

MP's have no current agreement on it.


Chris Mason
BBCnewsHD

Yes they are double-checking that there are no loopholes so when it gets passed they can legislate against schools who try to push their nasty stonewall agenda on small children

[Oliver_W]

Tomorrow, the last day of
Parliament before their Holiday.

They will announce the Government
has failed to give teachers the Guidance
in time

MP's have no current agreement on it.


Chris Mason
BBCnewsHD

The apprarent guidance floating around online a few weeks back sounded spot on tbh :shrug:

[Zizu]

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[Crimson Dynamo]

https://twitter.com/MrWinMarshall/status/1681401119090810880?t=Y3MsK2yY_v8Etx_UoeKa-A&s=19

[Swan]

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The end is utter cringe.

[user104658]

qii_Tnk-_Bo

The end is utter cringe.

The end is just so worrying. How is someone who needs to operate in this way ever going to have a real career of any kind?

[Swan]

The end is just so worrying. How is someone who needs to operate in this way ever going to have a real career of any kind?

They're not, and we need to stop mollycoddling these people and encouraging such heightened sensitivity.

I wonder what the Afghan women would think of it all. A bloke who looks trans, but actually identifies as "non binary" (which really means nothing, it's just a way to claim you're different, and have some kind of hardship in your life and are oppressed, its just for attention, nothing more) and is hurt and upset because another trans woman has a different opinion, and can't continue?!

[Mystic Mock]

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How Paedophiles get such lenient sentencing is beyond me.

There is no justice in this world sometimes.

[Cherie]

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Remember the people on the right side of history told you this would never happen and that you were a TERF and a BIGOT for even thinking it never mind saying it...

[Oliver_W]

qii_Tnk-_Bo

The end is utter cringe.

How did we reach the point where anyone is coddled to that degree? Why did that woman stop Blaire from talking just to emotionally validate Jamie?

That setup looks familiar, I think I might have seen at least some of that full vid a couple of years ago? It was pretty much a lynchmob against Blaire White.

I don't remember that specific moment though so can't say for sure :laugh:

[Cherie]

How did we reach the point where anyone is coddled to that degree? Why did that woman stop Blaire from talking just to emotionally validate Jamie?

That setup looks familiar, I think I might have seen at least some of that full vid a couple of years ago? It was pretty much a lynchmob against Blaire White.

I don't remember that specific moment though so can't say for sure :laugh:

It's childlike ...almost like an adult debating with a child and another adult stepping in when the 'child' is overwhelmed an unable to answer what is being asked

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://twitter.com/OliLondonTV/status/1682366796962185219?s=20

[Oliver_W]

Which country recently had a guy win its Miss Competition?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Which country recently had a guy win its Miss Competition?

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[Zizu]

Give me strength ..
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[Crimson Dynamo]

Yikes

[The Slim Reaper]

Remember the people on the right side of history told you this would never happen and that you were a TERF and a BIGOT for even thinking it never mind saying it...

Still weirdly obsessing, I see. :smug:

[Cherie]

Give me strength ..
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we got ourselves another User hottie folks :dance:

[Nicky91]

Netherlands has had two transgender winners in similar miss competitions


this years Miss Nederland yes, but many years before at Hollands Next Top Model, Loiza Lamers (whom is a very famous celebrity here, been on many tv shows in our nation (has done Expeditie Robinson/Survivor NL twice and last year competed on Masked Singer as Mermaid and also competed in Germany's Lets Dance few years ago)

[Oliver_W]

Netherlands has had two transgender winners in similar miss competitions

Jesus, what does that say about Dutch women when the guys are apparently more beautiful than them :hehe:

[Zizu]

I’m confused

https://twitter.com/ticerichard/status/1686069625614684161?s=46&t=4Bt0aqTthADTQG3kMIaXcg


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[Crimson Dynamo]

boycott costa

[Swan]

boycott costa

No no, drinking vastly overpriced American coffee is the staple of those who shall change the world.

Mainly students using Daddies money, overly privileged, and pretending to care in order to be popular and en'vogue.

[Jordan.]

Costa is a British company that serves Italian coffee btw

[Mystic Mock]

It's definitely a bad business decision for Costa to go all in on such a divisive topic.

Yeah short term it gives them attention from people that might not normally go there, but long term you're going to lose those people, plus losing people for whatever stance that you end up taking.

Imo I see it as a very different situation to Bud Light who just hired a Transperson to advertise their product.

[Swan]

Costa is a British company that serves Italian coffee btw

Thanks, that makes it all better.

[Jordan.]

Thanks, that makes it all better.

No problem. Just making sure we don't get our evil coffee drinkers twisted :worry:

[arista]

I’m confused

https://twitter.com/ticerichard/status/1686069625614684161?s=46&t=4Bt0aqTthADTQG3kMIaXcg





Yes Costa

And Some Shoes

Both have these rare people
drawn on them

[arista]

Costa is a British company that serves Italian coffee btw


Kinda


Costa Coffee is a British multinational
coffeehouse company headquartered in Dunstable,
Bedfordshire, and a wholly owned
subsidiary of Coca Cola.

[Cherie]

Kinda


Costa Coffee is a British multinational
coffeehouse company headquartered in Dunstable,
Bedfordshire, and a wholly owned
subsidiary of Coca Cola.

Owned by Coca Cola how very British :laugh:


I hate their coffee anyway

[Crimson Dynamo]

James Esses, a co-founder of Thoughtful Therapists, a group of counsellors and
psychologists concerned with impact of gender ideology on young people, addressed Costa
directly on Twitter: “Dear @CostaCoffee, Could you kindly explain why you are glorifying
irreversible surgery performed on healthy breasts of women for a mental health
condition?”

[Oliver_W]

Glorifying the misappropriation of a surgery intended to help women with breast cancer is quite a look.

[user104658]

Anyone who would willingly drink a Costa coffee is a sociopath anyway, they're ****ing disgusting.

Their breakfast rolls are pretty good though...

[Crimson Dynamo]

Its using children's mental health issues to get a high ESG score for profit

just awful

[Liam-]

Transphobes are easily the most snowflakey people in society these days, it’s actually hilarious how easily triggered they are into meltdowns, if a company using a trans person, or a drawing which depicts a trans person can create this much hysteria and misery amongst them, it really highlights two things 1. They just outright hate the existence of trans people in society and 2. They’re overly emotional and invested in something that holds no relevance to their own lives.

It’s sad, I’m starting to feel sorry for them

[Crimson Dynamo]

Transphobes are easily the most snowflakey people in society these days, it’s actually hilarious how easily triggered they are into meltdowns, if a company using a trans person, or a drawing which depicts a trans person can create this much hysteria and misery amongst them, it really highlights two things 1. They just outright hate the existence of trans people in society and 2. They’re overly emotional and invested in something that holds no relevance to their own lives.

It’s sad, I’m starting to feel sorry for them

like these 2?

https://twitter.com/RichardDawkins/status/1686119970034339840?s=20

[user104658]

Transphobes are easily the most snowflakey people in society these days, it’s actually hilarious how easily triggered they are into meltdowns, if a company using a trans person, or a drawing which depicts a trans person can create this much hysteria and misery amongst them, it really highlights two things 1. They just outright hate the existence of trans people in society and 2. They’re overly emotional and invested in something that holds no relevance to their own lives.

It’s sad, I’m starting to feel sorry for them

The idea that the surgical removal of healthy teenagers body parts "holds no relevance to people's lives" is a mindset that could only come from someone who doesn't have and doesn't plan to have children. Of course it holds relevance.

The whole thing is arse-backwards. The (lie) message a few years back was that people could surgically transition and the procedures were so great and advanced that people could look just how they want. Then they had to admit that no, actually, it (obviously) leaves behind extensive scarring (top) and looks nothing like real genitalia + causes extensive life long medical issues (bottom).

So now the aim isn't to discourage extreme body-altering surgery.... it's to normalise the scarring and medical complications caused by surgery.

It's absolutely ****ed.

The truth is it holds absolutely no relevance to you, which is why you don't care what happens to many of the people who go through with it.

[Crimson Dynamo]

100% of "sex change" operations have failed

[arista]

Owned by Coca Cola how very British :laugh:


I hate their coffee anyway


https://twitter.com/JeremyVineOn5/status/1686319611073982464

[Jordan.]

Owned by Coca Cola how very British :laugh:


I hate their coffee anyway

By your own logic you must think Cadbury is American chocolate :worry:

[Cherie]

By your own logic you must think Cadbury is American chocolate :worry:

what kind of double dutch nonsense is this

[Zizu]

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[Swan]

Biological woman has baby? Shocking.

[Oliver_W]

Biological woman has baby? Shocking.

The fact that this person had to go through artificial insemination at just 22 shows how damaging transition hormones are to human fertility.

[AnnieK]

The fact that this person had to go through artificial insemination at just 22 shows how damaging transition hormones are to human fertility.

Or they didn't want sex with a man?

Artificial insemination is on of the least invasive fertility treatments and is often used by people who either a don't have a partner and just visit a sperm bank, or use donor sperm for any other reason.

It doesn't usually involve any drugs regime and s just timed to be done at ovulation

[Oliver_W]

Or they didn't want sex with a man?

Artificial insemination is on of the least invasive fertility treatments and is often used by people who either a don't have a partner and just visit a sperm bank, or use donor sperm for any other reason.

It doesn't usually involve any drugs regime and s just timed to be done at ovulation

Fair point!

[Crimson Dynamo]

more violence against Chris

https://twitter.com/againstgrmrs/status/1688227299500429312?s=20

[The Slim Reaper]

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[Mystic Mock]

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If BB5 was on air today we'd be getting a Stuart win.

No offense intended to the guy here, but he was the safest contestant out of the whole lineup.

[Crimson Dynamo]

If BB5 was on air today we'd be getting a Stuart win.

No offense intended to the guy here, but he was the safest contestant out of the whole lineup.

Bang on right Mock

[user104658]

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The immediate question should be "what changed".

And the answer isn't "Somehow everyone randomly became hateful TERFs for some reason".

That's not any sort of answer at all.

[Livia]

Self ID changed everything, discussions on this forum at the time predicted it would. Women were worried and we were right to be worried.

[Glenn.]

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Sickening how dangerous it is to be a trans person today

[Crimson Dynamo]

Sickening how dangerous it is to be a trans person today

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/imageserver/image/%2Fmethode%2Ftimes%2Fprod%2Fweb%2Fbin%2Ff552ff28-9a65-11ed-b81d-ce538d806950.jpg?crop=676%2C1013%2C391%2C64

[Glenn.]

But it’s trans people that have been or are actual victims of violence.

You’re afraid of a sign?

[Oliver_W]

But it’s trans people that have been or are actual victims of violence.

You’re afraid of a sign?

Trans people are also assailants in violent crimes. Virtually all categories of people can be both victims and perpetrators of crimes.

But people aren't routinely holding up signs which say "behead transwomen", and it being treated as unremarkable or excusable.

[Crimson Dynamo]

jENqKexqy5w

[Oliver_W]

1688195300567986178

The immediate question should be "what changed".

And the answer isn't "Somehow everyone randomly became hateful TERFs for some reason".

That's not any sort of answer at all.

The world was a better place for LGBT in the 2000s.

What ruined it was over-activism, the bizarre need for external validation, and trying to push it onto kids.

[Crimson Dynamo]

The world was a better place for LGBT in the 2000s.

What ruined it was over-activism, the bizarre need for external validation, and trying to push it onto kids.

all aided and abetted by social media

[DemolitionRed]

The world was a better place for LGBT in the 2000s.

What ruined it was over-activism, the bizarre need for external validation, and trying to push it onto kids.

I agree with this. There are many of the LGBT community now claiming and speaking out against the activism that is causing a massive divide between LGBT and non LGBT people.
Its like the worlds gone mad. I don't care if someone is LGBT but I'm not going to treat them like they are special.
Try and cancel my validity as a woman and all you're going to get back is a building resentment.
Try and bring our wee children/grandchildren into your world and you will feel the wrath and fury of the masses.

I used to be really cool about LGBT... each to their own and all that, but the more I have this pushed in my face, the more my coolness evaporates.

[Glenn.]

:joker:

[arista]

https://twitter.com/MrJohnNicolson/status/1689029704450293760

[Oliver_W]

https://twitter.com/MrJohnNicolson/status/1689029704450293760

Can't really argue with that soundbite - transwomen who don't encroach on women's sports or try to push the ideology onto kids certainly should be left alone.

[Cherie]

Can't really argue with that soundbite - transwomen who don't encroach on women's sports or try to push the ideology onto kids certainly should be left alone.


of course, its good to see that finally there is an acknowledgment that there are band wagon jumpers who are not trans but just see an opportunity and are aided and abetted by the 'transphobe' shouters at every turn

[arista]

Can't really argue with that soundbite - transwomen who don't encroach on women's sports or try to push the ideology onto kids certainly should be left alone.


Yes kids should not be pushed into this.

[user104658]

But it’s trans people that have been or are actual victims of violence.

Conveniently overlooking that most of the severe violence against trans people occurs within relationships... Often with other trans people.

You’re afraid of a sign?

And this is just flat out hypocrisy Glenn you'd be all over it if a masked skinhead was holding up a "decapitate a trans" banner, absolutely no question about that.

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://twitter.com/Riley_Gaines_/status/1689020523395608576?s=20

[Zizu]

The worlds gone crazy

I just downloaded a shooting game as the graphics in the trailer looked good

Anyways I played the very first , easy level - as the swashbuckling hero

I easily shot the rampaging pirate as expected but then my online avatar bloke started mincing around like Larry Grayson !!!??

Why ?!

I don’t get it


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[user104658]

The worlds gone crazy

I just downloaded a shooting game as the graphics in the trailer looked good

Anyways I played the very first , easy level - as the swashbuckling hero

I easily shot the rampaging pirate as expected but then my online avatar bloke started mincing around like Larry Grayson !!!??

Why ?!

I don’t get it


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:joker: Wtf, what game is this.

[Cherie]

The worlds gone crazy

I just downloaded a shooting game as the graphics in the trailer looked good

Anyways I played the very first , easy level - as the swashbuckling hero

I easily shot the rampaging pirate as expected but then my online avatar bloke started mincing around like Larry Grayson !!!??

Why ?!

I don’t get it


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[Crimson Dynamo]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/Author%20photos/Julie_Bindel_preferred%20%281%29%20%281%29-xlarge.png?imwidth=100

When it comes to deciding who is transphobic, the bar is being set so low that even a world-class limbo dancer would struggle to slip beneath it.

Simply saying that transwomen are not biological females is enough to get you in hot water, and anyone daring to point out that the presence of natal males (however they identify) in a women-only space is unsafe is at risk of being branded a bigot. The actor Amanda Abbington is the latest in a long line of women to experience this.

When Abbingdon announced that she would be taking part in Strictly Come Dancing this year, gender extremists pointed out that, in March, she had tweeted her disapproval of young children being subjected to drag shows. The backlash was such that she left Twitter and has yet to return.

Back in the days before feminism became the opposite of its true meaning, we worried that men dressing as sexualised parodies of women was sexist and offensive.

To explain: men who both dress as women and claim to be women are now taking umbrage at men who dress as women for fun. The former believe the latter are making light of something deadly serious. Many feminists will see that they are all men masquerading as women – but the important distinction is that drag queens don’t generally demand access to women’s hospital wards, rape crisis centres and prison wings.

Abbingdon is by no means alone as a victim of this reverse logic, which could be best described as “Darvo” (Deny, Attack, and Reverse Victim and Offender), and can be adopted by male perpetrators of abuse towards women as a way of skirting accountability for their behaviour. It is used to describe men who coerce their female partner, then gaslight her into believing she is the problem. It is a key tactic used by some trans activists to target feminists fighting for our sex based rights.

As the reverse logic goes, LGBTQIA+ BBC staff might feel “unsafe” with Abbingdon on set, so some are calling for a boycott of Strictly until Abbingdon is cancelled.

And last weekend, it was a transgender activist who brought the men’s road race at the Cycling World Championships to a dangerous halt to protest the fact that men (transwomen) are no longer allowed to compete against women.

Look also at what is happening to my friend Joanna Cherry MP: because she has spoken out against male rapists being placed in women’s prisons, she now requires serious security at the Edinburgh Festival. Consider the experiences of Kathleen Stock, driven out of her job at Sussex University by a baying mob of students claiming to be “in danger” from her perfectly reasonable views on sex and gender.

I have been physically attacked by trans activists for simply speaking out against the erosion of single sex spaces. These assaults took place when I was an invited speaker on the topic of male violence. Although I have been campaigning, researching and writing about such matters for more than four decades, the trans activists portrayed me as a direct threat to them rather than someone campaigning for women’s liberation.

The reality is that it is women who are under threat. The extreme wing of the trans lobby appear to believe it acceptable to intimidate feminists for holding mainstream views on biological sex. It’s a clever trick to claim that men – at least those identifying as transgender or non-binary – are now oppressed by women. What could be more Orwellian?

Society is being sold a lie and many women have been duped as to what an actual transgender woman is. A recent poll conducted among British women showed that 35pc believe a transgender woman to be female from birth. Unsurprisingly, those who understand least about sex and gender are of the younger generation. Perhaps they have been indoctrinated. It is they who are most likely to have no idea that transgender women are born – and remain – biological males.

It is high time for us to return to reality. Women like me are no threat to men masquerading as women. The reverse may, however, be true.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/08/10/the-trans-movement-will-only-become-more-orwellian/

[Zizu]

:joker: Wtf, what game is this.


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[user104658]

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Oh :laugh:. It looks like one of those games that's constantly spammed on other apps advertising slots... not really much to say there Zizu - maybe lesson learned, you should never download these apps they're always terrible!

If you are looking for a horribly addictive phone game to pass the time I recommend "Two Dots". Looks deceptively simple, gets frustratingly difficult after a few hundred levels :joker:.

No mincing pirates.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Olympian Sharron Davies says trans activists have targeted her children's school over
her views on who can participate in women's sports

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRgv5UkTqnJXB5fpe6WFEL18NfFq_jjo OjUZq4UEUt5y2T-ELkrIGrOrG4FLxtuxo1ydwg&usqp=CAU

Speaking of the abuse she received, she told the Off Air podcast: 'Just activists ringing
every single job I have, ringing every single charity, ringing my children's schools,
abusing my kids, calling me every name under the sun.


'[They say] I am a bigot, I'm a homophobe, obviously a transphobe (:rolleyes:) I'm even a racist which I find hilarious because I have got mixed-race kids.

'They use these terms not to actually mean it, they use it to bully. They use it to shut
you up and to stop you trying to debate and present the science.'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12396663/Olympian-Sharron-Davies-claims-trans-activists-targeted-childrens-school-views-participate-womens-sports.html

[Cherie]

Olympian Sharron Davies says trans activists have targeted her children's school over
her views on who can participate in women's sports

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRgv5UkTqnJXB5fpe6WFEL18NfFq_jjo OjUZq4UEUt5y2T-ELkrIGrOrG4FLxtuxo1ydwg&usqp=CAU

Speaking of the abuse she received, she told the Off Air podcast: 'Just activists ringing
every single job I have, ringing every single charity, ringing my children's schools,
abusing my kids, calling me every name under the sun.


sounds like some people on TiBB :think:

'[They say] I am a bigot, I'm a homophobe, obviously a transphobe (:rolleyes:) I'm even a racist which I find hilarious because I have got mixed-race kids.

'They use these terms not to actually mean it, they use it to bully. They use it to shut
you up and to stop you trying to debate and present the science.'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12396663/Olympian-Sharron-Davies-claims-trans-activists-targeted-childrens-school-views-participate-womens-sports.html

sounds like a TiBB thread

[arista]

BBC News Text:
[The health secretary is facing "pressure"
to scrap "rules that mean patients who
only occasionally identify as women
can share female-only hospital wards".]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/7721/production/_130779403_croppedpage1-nc.png.webp

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://twitter.com/VivekGRamaswamy/status/1691880080866263319?s=20

[Oliver_W]

https://twitter.com/VivekGRamaswamy/status/1691880080866263319?s=20

Well yeah, that transgenderism usually has co-morbidities with other mental health issues or general difficulties or a troubled past (often involving abuse) is sadly overlooked.

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://twitter.com/ReduxxMag/status/1698367280369852568?s=20

[user104658]

https://twitter.com/ReduxxMag/status/1698367280369852568?s=20

The whole thing is daft, these are private businesses and if trans women who still look like men and have male genitals are in them... lots of women will simply stop going. No one is going to subsidise them and they'll simply shut down.

You won't end up with women's saunas that are only for biological females, OR women's saunas that are inclusive of trans women... there will just be no sauna at all for anyone.

[Redway]

The whole thing is daft, these are private businesses and if trans women who still look like men and have male genitals are in them... lots of women will simply stop going. No one is going to subsidise them and they'll simply shut down.

You won't end up with women's saunas that are only for biological females, OR women's saunas that are inclusive of trans women... there will just be no sauna at all for anyone.

Some people even get accused of having dodgy, transphobic views for maintaining that 7-year-olds (take Sarah’s badly-acted son, Harry, on Corrie now) shouldn’t be overly sexualised and have storylines revolving around them socially transitioning. It’s utter madness at that point. And I’m not even joking when I say madness.

[user104658]

Some people even get accused of having dodgy, transphobic views for maintaining that 7-year-olds (take Sarah’s badly-acted son, Harry, on Corrie now) shouldn’t be overly sexualised and have storylines revolving around them socially transitioning. It’s utter madness at that point. And I’m not even joking when I say madness.

People VASTLY underestimate the power of social contagion I think... there's a belief that if so many otherwise-levelheaded people are on board with it then it can't be objectively completely off the rails. But there are literally countless historical examples of that.

[Niamh.]

People VASTLY underestimate the power of social contagion I think... there's a belief that if so many otherwise-levelheaded people are on board with it then it can't be objectively completely off the rails. But there are literally countless historical examples of that.

It's frustrating because to me it's so insanely off the rails I can't fathom how people think it's right or anywhere near OK. It feels like I'm living in an alternate reality some times.

[The Slim Reaper]

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[user104658]

I guess this is the thread to mention this; something really sad IMO but also indicative of how the whole thing is moving along, and a microcosm of the effect I was talking about above:

As of last year, my daughter's school no longer has an LGBTQ club, after having one for nearly 15 years. By my daughter's explanation, the following is what happened:

- LGBTQ club was created for inclusivity years ago, was growing in popularity, was really effective at helping gay kids to feel like they had back-up, was great for general awareness in the school community. Went on with no issues for over a decade.

- A couple of years ago, it started to become less LGB and all about TQ, gender non-binaryness, the pronouns games etc.

- LGB felt that it wasn't their space any more, started drifting away

- All that was left was the "TQ"

- Most of the "T" was biologically females identifying as trans boys. More accurately, troubled young girls (frankly) looking for attention.

- Most of them hit their mid teens and just went back to identifying as girls.

- All that was left was the "Q" - the gender identity nonsense.

- They are let's face it, mainly in it for the "specialness" and attention. They didn't want to be in a group that was just them. THat's not unique or special. So they stopped going too.

- Now there is no group for anyone.

[user104658]

1698345449873424852

I mean he's a little ( :umm2: ) overly wound up but at the core of what he's saying, entertainment media has suffered untold damage at the hands of the naval-gazing shoehorning of current social and political "hot potatoes". That's not really a debate point, "Go Woke Go Broke" is a daft phrase but it's not one without roots. The numbers are there and they don't have an opinion... they just are what they are and show what they show. Rightly or wrongly - people don't like it, and are "voting with their feet" (and wallets).

[The Slim Reaper]

I mean he's a little ( :umm2: ) overly wound up but at the core of what he's saying, entertainment media has suffered untold damage at the hands of the naval-gazing shoehorning of current social and political "hot potatoes". That's not really a debate point, "Go Woke Go Broke" is a daft phrase but it's not one without roots. The numbers are there and they don't have an opinion... they just are what they are and show what they show. Rightly or wrongly - people don't like it, and are "voting with their feet" (and wallets).

Pronouns. That's it. Pronouns.

How about this for an alternative explanation; instead of it being naval gazing shoehorning, maybe, and I know this might appear radical, but maybe it's a bit of inclusivity that isn't signalling that the world is about to end, and doesn't really have any effect on the people crying and whining?

Pretty sure you've bemoaned cancel culture in the past, but now you seem to be indifferent to it. Rightly or wrongly, so which is it?

[user104658]

Pronouns. That's it. Pronouns.

How about this for an alternative explanation; instead of it being naval gazing shoehorning, maybe, and I know this might appear radical, but maybe it's a bit of inclusivity that isn't signalling that the world is about to end, and doesn't really have any effect on the people crying and whining?

Pretty sure you've bemoaned cancel culture in the past, but now you seem to be indifferent to it. Rightly or wrongly, so which is it?

I haven't played the game as it's not actually out yet - I imagine that similarly to Cyberpunk and BG3 (where you could have a willy on your female character if you wanted) and Hogwarts Legacy (where your male wizard could live in the witch dorm if you wanted) it probably doesn't affect the game at all beyond the character creation screen, and if he just cracked on and made himself a burly male character, he would indeed get to role-play as a burly male character so I agree his response is over the top -- but his response is what it is.

I disagree that it never has an effect on the quality of the media itself and would say that when it's done in a clearly agenda-driven way and doesn't feel naturally part of the media being presented, it does simply make for bad material. Netflix is especially guilty of that at times.

This isn't exactly cancel culture though, cancel culture would be people saying "boycott this/don't watch this, for [reasons]" - it's not the same as people being genuinely put off of things because of a change in content. Disney being the prime example of this right now. Netflix is another. It's also not about celebrating, bemoaning or being indifferent to it - it exists, that much is clear. The dropping revenue is clear. I'm just observing in that sense. For example, I am of course TiBB's biggest feminist but that doesn't mean that I don't recognise that "clear efforts" (what I would call shoehorning) of feminist concepts into things where the audience isn't going to be receptive is going to result in a financial flop. Conversely, the feminist concepts in "Barbie" for example have contributed to it being an absolute box-office runaway smash hit.

These companies do (or should) know their audience and trying to introduce elements that their own audiences don't want in everything is rightly or wrongly in moral terms absolutely tanking the entertainment industry at the moment.

My personal thoughts are that there's a way to be inclusive that's more naturally story-driven and less overtly political, and that makes for ... well ... things that are just more engaging and fun to watch.

NO ONE is going to watch something just because it's inclusive, is worth remembering. Even the people it's trying to include are going to tune out when it starts to affect quality. That's just the facts.

[user104658]

I can actually use a narrative example here of something that was really jarring:

The actual trans character in Hogwarts Legacy has a male voice. The character, who was born male and is a trans woman, and is shown in narrative to be a powerful witch to the extent that baddies are scared of her, in a well-established fictional world where people can make themselves look and sound exactly like any other person they want to look and sound like... or turn into a cat... doesn't have a female voice.

It's done for inclusion and it doesn't make any sense in-universe, so it's immersion breaking, which makes it (IMO) the wrong kind of inclusion. Again I think the guy in the video is way over the top because I'd argue that a character creation screen is inherently "outwith immersion" and 4th wall breaking and the game doesn't actually start until you've made those choices... but I think in spirit that's what he's getting at.

[The Slim Reaper]

I haven't played the game as it's not actually out yet - I imagine that similarly to Cyberpunk and BG3 (where you could have a willy on your female character if you wanted) and Hogwarts Legacy (where your male wizard could live in the witch dorm if you wanted) it probably doesn't affect the game at all beyond the character creation screen, and if he just cracked on and made himself a burly male character, he would indeed get to role-play as a burly male character so I agree his response is over the top -- but his response is what it is.

I disagree that it never has an effect on the quality of the media itself and would say that when it's done in a clearly agenda-driven way and doesn't feel naturally part of the media being presented, it does simply make for bad material. Netflix is especially guilty of that at times.

This isn't exactly cancel culture though, cancel culture would be people saying "boycott this/don't watch this, for [reasons]" - it's not the same as people being genuinely put off of things because of a change in content. Disney being the prime example of this right now. Netflix is another. It's also not about celebrating, bemoaning or being indifferent to it - it exists, that much is clear. The dropping revenue is clear. I'm just observing in that sense. For example, I am of course TiBB's biggest feminist but that doesn't mean that I don't recognise that "clear efforts" (what I would call shoehorning) of feminist concepts into things where the audience isn't going to be receptive is going to result in a financial flop. Conversely, the feminist concepts in "Barbie" for example have contributed to it being an absolute box-office runaway smash hit.

These companies do (or should) know their audience and trying to introduce elements that their own audiences don't want in everything is rightly or wrongly in moral terms absolutely tanking the entertainment industry at the moment.

My personal thoughts are that there's a way to be inclusive that's more naturally story-driven and less overtly political, and that makes for ... well ... things that are just more engaging and fun to watch.

NO ONE is going to watch something just because it's inclusive, is worth remembering. Even the people it's trying to include are going to tune out when it starts to affect quality. That's just the facts.

You don't think bud light was cancel culture? Just the phrase go woke, go broke more than gives the cancel culture game away. Do what we like, or we'll hurt you financially. It's a threat. I don't actually have a problem with that, because it's the capitalist system we live in, so I'm actually all for people voting with their wallets/feet/eyes.

I don't think offering choice is a bad thing, and TV companies will ultimately reign themselves in, because at the end of the day they value profits more than people. i think where we may disagree, is the fact that pandering has always happened for all groups, but only now has it become a problem. That's what I don't understand.

Action films are geared towards dudes, and rom coms are aimed at women. Obviously that's an oversimplification as I'm sure people from both groups cross, but I'm just pointing out that this has always happened, but unfortunately these programmes/films have been made political by the people protesting/crying about them by waging campaigns, they're not inherently political because they've been made.

[The Slim Reaper]

I can actually use a narrative example here of something that was really jarring:

The actual trans character in Hogwarts Legacy has a male voice. The character, who was born male and is a trans woman, and is shown in narrative to be a powerful witch to the extent that baddies are scared of her, in a well-established fictional world where people can make themselves look and sound exactly like any other person they want to look and sound like... or turn into a cat... doesn't have a female voice.

It's done for inclusion and it doesn't make any sense in-universe, so it's immersion breaking, which makes it (IMO) the wrong kind of inclusion. Again I think the guy in the video is way over the top because I'd argue that a character creation screen is inherently "outwith immersion" and 4th wall breaking and the game doesn't actually start until you've made those choices... but I think in spirit that's what he's getting at.

Is this about the pub landlady (can't remember her name)? Because this is a massive reach imo. I plat'd the game and put 90hrs in and don't really understand what you're getting at.

[Swan]

1698345449873424852

Fan made trailer for Starfield :hehe:

Actually looks like a pretty good game tbh, but im always weary of new releases on steam, will see how it plays first by watching and asking others on twitch.

[The Slim Reaper]

Fan made trailer for Starfield :hehe:

Actually looks like a pretty good game tbh, but im always weary of new releases on steam, will see how it plays first by watching and asking others on twitch.

Supposed to be a great game.

I've got NBA 2k24 coming out Friday, then AC Mirage and Spiderman 2, so it's going to have to wait a while before I eventually get round to playing it. Pretty sure it's first person, too, so I might not even give it a whizz.

[user104658]

Is this about the pub landlady (can't remember her name)? Because this is a massive reach imo. I plat'd the game and put 90hrs in and don't really understand what you're getting at.

I'm not saying it ruined the game or should be a reason for anyone not to get it, I similarly spend an inordinate amount of time searching for "landing platforms", but I do think the character was immersion-breaking because she didn't make sense. But I am a stickler for the internal consistency of fictional worlds. Basically, it doesn't make sense that a trans witch would still have their male voice. It makes sense for muggles, because it's not always easy to change. In Universe a trans witch would just say "Voicio higherio!" or drink a potion or something, and have a higher voice. Thus, the inclusion of a male-sounding trans female character was for the benefit of the "viewer" at the expense of narrative consistency. That's the sort of shoe-horning I'm not a fan of. But again, I'm slightly OCD about fictional narrative. She was only featured in a couple of scenes so it was hardly game-breaking.

[user104658]

Fan made trailer for Starfield :hehe:

Actually looks like a pretty good game tbh, but im always weary of new releases on steam, will see how it plays first by watching and asking others on twitch.

It's on GamePass so personally I'd say just pay the £7.99 or whatever for a month's sub and play it on that rather than forking out on Steam.

It's Bethesda though so it will inevitably be a 10x better game in a year when the modding community has torn it apart and rebuilt it, and I doubt you can mod the GamePass version fully (script extenders probably violate the EULA) so I'll be buying a copy eventually. But on release I'd try it out on GamePass. It's only a few £.

[bots]

Fan made trailer for Starfield :hehe:

Actually looks like a pretty good game tbh, but im always weary of new releases on steam, will see how it plays first by watching and asking others on twitch.

i took out a pc game pass for £1, and its sitting ready on my pc for the official release

[user104658]

Pretty sure it's first person, too, so I might not even give it a whizz.

It's the same engine as Skyrim and Fallout 4 so you can play in 1st person or 3rd person. To be honest though, re: mods, the "default" 3rd person experience is terrible in those games and you need a few mods active for it to be good so this is likely to be similar.

[user104658]

i took out a pc game pass for £1, and its sitting ready on my pc for the official release

I unfortunately used up my £1 trial years ago :joker:.

[user104658]

https://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/4/thread-hijack.jpg

[bots]

I unfortunately used up my £1 trial years ago :joker:.

i had a £1 trial about 3 months ago and i terminated it 2 days before it was due to expire and they gave me another one :laugh:

[user104658]

i had a £1 trial about 3 months ago and i terminated it 2 days before it was due to expire and they gave me another one :laugh:

:oh: Maybe I should try to blag another.

[The Slim Reaper]

I'm not saying it ruined the game or should be a reason for anyone not to get it, I similarly spend an inordinate amount of time searching for "landing platforms", but I do think the character was immersion-breaking because she didn't make sense. But I am a stickler for the internal consistency of fictional worlds. Basically, it doesn't make sense that a trans witch would still have their male voice. It makes sense for muggles, because it's not always easy to change. In Universe a trans witch would just say "Voicio higherio!" or drink a potion or something, and have a higher voice. Thus, the inclusion of a male-sounding trans female character was for the benefit of the "viewer" at the expense of narrative consistency. That's the sort of shoe-horning I'm not a fan of. But again, I'm slightly OCD about fictional narrative. She was only featured in a couple of scenes so it was hardly game-breaking.

Ahh ok, I don't agree, but I see where you're coming from now. This was my first venture into the HP world, having never watched or read any of the works, so I guess my limited understanding of the world, wouldn't give me your perspective. Seems a bit weird to me because maybe she was happy with her voice and saw no need to change it as she felt comfortable with herself, but like I say, we're coming from different knowledge backgrounds here..

[The Slim Reaper]

It's the same engine as Skyrim and Fallout 4 so you can play in 1st person or 3rd person. To be honest though, re: mods, the "default" 3rd person experience is terrible in those games and you need a few mods active for it to be good so this is likely to be similar.

Cheers. 1st person just looks completely off and always feels weird. I did fight through my 1st person aversion for the dishonoured series and absolutely loved every second of gameplay, but never really got used to it.

[The Slim Reaper]

It's on GamePass so personally I'd say just pay the £7.99 or whatever for a month's sub and play it on that rather than forking out on Steam.

It's Bethesda though so it will inevitably be a 10x better game in a year when the modding community has torn it apart and rebuilt it, and I doubt you can mod the GamePass version fully (script extenders probably violate the EULA) so I'll be buying a copy eventually. But on release I'd try it out on GamePass. It's only a few £.

Think I read somewhere they're encouraging modding across all platforms, but we'll see how that ends up in reality.

[user104658]

Think I read somewhere they're encouraging modding across all platforms, but we'll see how that ends up in reality.

It's complicated because it'll likely be the same as Skyrim and Fallout. The mods can work cross platform but only the more "officially supported" mods, there are more advanced mods that use a sort of plug-in executable file called a script extender, and Sony and XBOX won't allow those on console (because in theory they could be used to jailbreak the consoles for piracy).

It's slightly more complicated but the basic categories would be

"Non script extender mods" = adding *stuff* to the game. Locations, characters, items, buildings, whatever.

"Script extender mods" - adding *functionality* to the game i.e. actually changing how certain things work, how AI functions, adding whole new features.

So the more ambitious mods always tend to use script extender.

[Crimson Dynamo]

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[Crimson Dynamo]

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[Zizu]

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None of your tweet links work for me ‘
Ever !!


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[Crimson Dynamo]

None of your tweet links work for me ‘
Ever !!


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your problem, not mine

[Niamh.]

None of your tweet links work for me ‘
Ever !!


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[Mystic Mock]

https://twitter.com/ReduxxMag/status/1698367280369852568?s=20

That's one hefty fine.:laugh:

[Mystic Mock]

1698345449873424852

That clip is iconic for all of the wrong reasons.:joker:

I'm here for the chaos.:devil:

[Mystic Mock]

I haven't played the game as it's not actually out yet - I imagine that similarly to Cyberpunk and BG3 (where you could have a willy on your female character if you wanted) and Hogwarts Legacy (where your male wizard could live in the witch dorm if you wanted) it probably doesn't affect the game at all beyond the character creation screen, and if he just cracked on and made himself a burly male character, he would indeed get to role-play as a burly male character so I agree his response is over the top -- but his response is what it is.

I disagree that it never has an effect on the quality of the media itself and would say that when it's done in a clearly agenda-driven way and doesn't feel naturally part of the media being presented, it does simply make for bad material. Netflix is especially guilty of that at times.

This isn't exactly cancel culture though, cancel culture would be people saying "boycott this/don't watch this, for [reasons]" - it's not the same as people being genuinely put off of things because of a change in content. Disney being the prime example of this right now. Netflix is another. It's also not about celebrating, bemoaning or being indifferent to it - it exists, that much is clear. The dropping revenue is clear. I'm just observing in that sense. For example, I am of course TiBB's biggest feminist but that doesn't mean that I don't recognise that "clear efforts" (what I would call shoehorning) of feminist concepts into things where the audience isn't going to be receptive is going to result in a financial flop. Conversely, the feminist concepts in "Barbie" for example have contributed to it being an absolute box-office runaway smash hit.

These companies do (or should) know their audience and trying to introduce elements that their own audiences don't want in everything is rightly or wrongly in moral terms absolutely tanking the entertainment industry at the moment.

My personal thoughts are that there's a way to be inclusive that's more naturally story-driven and less overtly political, and that makes for ... well ... things that are just more engaging and fun to watch.

NO ONE is going to watch something just because it's inclusive, is worth remembering. Even the people it's trying to include are going to tune out when it starts to affect quality. That's just the facts.

Ignoring Starfield because I haven't played the Game, and it sounds like a reaction over nothing from what I have heard.

When it comes to inclusivity in the entertainment media, I feel that unfortunately a lot of writers use the inclusivity stuff to hide the fact that their product is underwhelming to put it politely, but these hacks know that by being inclusive, they'll have a community willing to defend their product that wouldn't defend the same garbage if it wasn't inclusive.

Obviously you can have great products that are inclusive (look at stuff like Sense8) but for every Wachowskis you'll get a Velma or Cleopatra, where without even watching them you can tell that they're not of the highest quality.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Health Secretary will use Tory conference to announce proposals pushing back against ‘wokery’ in the NHS

Secretary’s plans to restore “common sense” to the NHS.

On Tuesday, Steve Barclay will announce proposals to push back against
“wokery” in the health service that has led to women’s rights being increasingly sidelined.

The changes would give men and women the right to be cared for on wards
only shared by people of their own biological sex, and to have intimate care
provided by those of the same sex.

Mr Barclay said the plan would mean the return of “a common-sense
approach to sex and equality”, ensuring that women’s dignity was protected
and their voices heard.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/10/02/trans-women-to-be-banned-from-female-hospital-wards/

[user104658]

The changes would give men and women the right to be cared for on wards
only shared by people of their own biological sex, and to have intimate care
provided by those of the same sex.

Mr Barclay said the plan would mean the return of “a common-sense
approach to sex and equality”, ensuring that women’s dignity was protected
and their voices heard.

This is vital and not just from the "trans stuff" angle... increasingly there's a trend of male staff members crying discrimination when female patients request female staff. It should ALWAYS be patient's choice, and professional staff shouldn't be getting huffy about a patient's request.

The same should apply with male patients of course but in general male patients don't have the same issues to contend with when it comes to staff gender (i.e. trauma etc.).

Obviously it can't apply all the way to the top, if a specialist is male/female that's just what they are there won't always be an alternative, but when it comes to physical/personal care if someone asks not to be handled by a certain gender (we'll call a spade a spade; usually men) that should be respected.

[Crimson Dynamo]

The vast majority of gender-confused or "gender-questioning" children grow out
of it, according to a 15-year longitudinal study conducted in the Netherlands,
which tracked more than 2,700 children from the age of 11 to their mid-20s.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GKSh5UWb0AAYyYU?format=jpg&name=medium

[arista]

[The vast majority of gender-confused
or "gender-questioning" children grow out
of it, according to a 15-year longitudinal
study conducted in the Netherlands,]

Yes Nicky
this is so wrong in your nation.

[user104658]

They didn't really need a massive study tbh it's fairly obvious if you look at any anecdotal example of groups of 10 to 13 year olds (roughly). Real body dysmorphia and trans people DO exist now, just as they have throughout civilisation, but the massive upswing in gender identity "stuff" post-2020 was, to put it simply, a trend or fad... and as trends or fads do... it moved on.

Unfortunately, small but very loud campaigning groups (Stonewall/Mermaids being the flagship example, but there are others) that existed long before said fad managed to use the illusion of this fad to push through agenda-driven policies at company and government level in various places... and that's going to be harder to untangle.

[Zizu]

The vast majority of gender-confused or "gender-questioning" children grow out
of it, according to a 15-year longitudinal study conducted in the Netherlands,
which tracked more than 2,700 children from the age of 11 to their mid-20s.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GKSh5UWb0AAYyYU?format=jpg&name=medium


It was pretty damn obvious to be honest ..


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[Crimson Dynamo]

It was pretty damn obvious to be honest ..


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....not to the hard-left culture warriors sadly....

[Crimson Dynamo]

"Is this not a ridiculous situation?": Justice Minister Helen McEntee is asked
whether it makes sense for violent biological males who have threatened to
attack women to be able to identify as women under Irish law.

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQpa3Swh8aMImOjPbVkghWP5KDsa6iEe uPttyBKg0NPEg&s

short video with her ducking and diving and letting down all Irish women below

https://x.com/griptmedia/status/1780249357905691096

[Crimson Dynamo]

The highly-regarded paediatrician who conducted the most thorough review
ever undertaken on the medical evidence for transitioning gender-confused
children has been advised not to travel on public transport for her own safety.


https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1781461635364016128/7hGT7_QV?format=jpg&name=small


https://x.com/jk_rowling/status/1781688638448738663

[Mystic Mock]

Miami Police arrested man for beating Transwoman to death.

https://www.nbcnews.com/video/miami-police-arrest-man-in-the-beating-death-of-a-transgender-woman-209658949731

[Crimson Dynamo]

Peru officially classifies trans people as ‘mentally ill’

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GNnakv-XkAAVdTz?format=jpg&name=small

The Peruvian government has officially categorised trans and intersex people as
“mentally ill”.

The health ministry said the decree was the only way Peru’s public health
services could “guarantee full coverage of medical attention for mental health”.

Under the decree signed by President Dina Boluarte, 'transsexualism, dual-
role transvestism, gender identity disorder in childhood, other gender identity
disorders and fetishistic transvestism' are now all recorded as mental
illnesses.

Peru's government argues the decree will make 'psychological treatment'
freely available to those affected and said it 'categorically reaffirms respect
for the dignity of the person and their free actions within the framework of
human rights, providing health services for their benefit'.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13419893/trans-intersex-classified-mentally-ill-peru-sparking-fury.html

[Oliver_W]

Peru officially classifies trans people as ‘mentally ill’

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GNnakv-XkAAVdTz?format=jpg&name=small

The Peruvian government has officially categorised trans and intersex people as
“mentally ill”.

The health ministry said the decree was the only way Peru’s public health
services could “guarantee full coverage of medical attention for mental health”.

Under the decree signed by President Dina Boluarte, 'transsexualism, dual-
role transvestism, gender identity disorder in childhood, other gender identity
disorders and fetishistic transvestism' are now all recorded as mental
illnesses.

Peru's government argues the decree will make 'psychological treatment'
freely available to those affected and said it 'categorically reaffirms respect
for the dignity of the person and their free actions within the framework of
human rights, providing health services for their benefit'.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13419893/trans-intersex-classified-mentally-ill-peru-sparking-fury.html

Body dysmorphia is a mental illness though, so why should any form of it be excluded from that?

[Beso]

I've been saying this for years..well done Peru.

[Glenn.]

Quite a read that article


“ Where its neighbours have grown more accepting, the South American nation has garnered a reputation for intolerance of transgenderism and LGBTQ.

In 2008, transgender woman Azul Rojas Marin was arrested, brutally raped and tortured by a trio of police officers, but her criminal complaint was ultimately closed by the authorities.”

“ Meanwhile in Argentina, three women were killed in an arson attack last week after a man lobbed a Molotov cocktail at the home of two lesbian couples in Buenos Aires.

The May 6 attack, widely seen as a hate crime, shocked many in a nation that considers itself to be a pioneer of gay rights in Latin America”

A 62-year-old man threw a Molotov cocktail into a boarding house where the lesbian couples lived, setting it ablaze, officials said. The perpetrator was arrested.

One woman died last Tuesday and another on Wednesday, both suffering from burn injuries.

'The third victim of the attack died this Sunday at 10 in the morning,' Maria Rachid of the LGBT+ Federation said this past weekend.

The fourth woman was the only one to escape with mild injuries.


But yay! Trans people are mentally ill!!

[Crimson Dynamo]

Quite a read that article


“ Where its neighbours have grown more accepting, the South American nation has garnered a reputation for intolerance of transgenderism and LGBTQ.

In 2008, transgender woman Azul Rojas Marin was arrested, brutally raped and tortured by a trio of police officers, but her criminal complaint was ultimately closed by the authorities.”

“ Meanwhile in Argentina, three women were killed in an arson attack last week after a man lobbed a Molotov cocktail at the home of two lesbian couples in Buenos Aires.

The May 6 attack, widely seen as a hate crime, shocked many in a nation that considers itself to be a pioneer of gay rights in Latin America”

A 62-year-old man threw a Molotov cocktail into a boarding house where the lesbian couples lived, setting it ablaze, officials said. The perpetrator was arrested.

One woman died last Tuesday and another on Wednesday, both suffering from burn injuries.

'The third victim of the attack died this Sunday at 10 in the morning,' Maria Rachid of the LGBT+ Federation said this past weekend.

The fourth woman was the only one to escape with mild injuries.


But yay! Trans people are mentally ill!!

Yes 6 incidents from a population of 444,000,000

Oh and what Oliver said

[Oliver_W]

But yay! Trans people are mentally ill!!

How is the labelling used in any way relevant?

I don't think people with severe eating disorders should be abused either, but that doesn't mean I'd pretend they're mentally healthy.

[user104658]

Yes 6 incidents from a population of 444,000,000

Wow, Peru has expanded significantly in recent years?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Wow, Peru has expanded significantly in recent years?

The incidents listed don't all take place there and actually I'm not entirely sure why they are relevant or bolted onto to the article. I know the DM do that as a matter of course.

[Glenn.]

Yes 6 incidents from a population of 444,000,000

Oh and what Oliver said

Let’s not pretend to be that facetious to believe there’s been only 6 incidents. I thought you were supposed to be intelligent. Maybe actually read these buzzword articles that you think push your troll agenda.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Let’s not pretend to be that facetious to believe there’s been only 6 incidents. I thought you were supposed to be intelligent. Maybe actually read these buzzword articles that you think push your troll agenda.

That does not make any sense tbh. Did you really mean to use "pretend to be facetious"?

[Glenn.]

Yeah that’s what I thought

[Beso]

Azul Rojas Marin was living as a gay man at the time of her rape at the hands of 3 officers. They must have been gay as well

[Glenn.]

The homophobe making excuses for a gay man being raped by 3 people.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Thankfully the tide is turning on this issue as medical science overtakes activists and bullying online

In addition to the Cass Review — which was published in April — a series of other
studies that were published this year call into question the efficacy of prescribing
transgender drugs for and offering transgender surgeries to children.


For example, a Mayo Clinic study from April found that puberty-blocking drugs may
cause irreversible damage to testicular cells in young boys. A study out of the
Netherlands that was published in February found that most children who have
transgender inclinations will outgrow those feelings. A third study out of Finland found
that transgender surgeries for minors do not reduce suicides in children and young
adults who struggle with their gender identity.

Medical science and research is winning this particular war

https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/257689/uk-author-of-transgender-study-us-groups-are-misleading-the-public

[Mystic Mock]

Quite a read that article


“ Where its neighbours have grown more accepting, the South American nation has garnered a reputation for intolerance of transgenderism and LGBTQ.

In 2008, transgender woman Azul Rojas Marin was arrested, brutally raped and tortured by a trio of police officers, but her criminal complaint was ultimately closed by the authorities.”

“ Meanwhile in Argentina, three women were killed in an arson attack last week after a man lobbed a Molotov cocktail at the home of two lesbian couples in Buenos Aires.

The May 6 attack, widely seen as a hate crime, shocked many in a nation that considers itself to be a pioneer of gay rights in Latin America”

A 62-year-old man threw a Molotov cocktail into a boarding house where the lesbian couples lived, setting it ablaze, officials said. The perpetrator was arrested.

One woman died last Tuesday and another on Wednesday, both suffering from burn injuries.

'The third victim of the attack died this Sunday at 10 in the morning,' Maria Rachid of the LGBT+ Federation said this past weekend.

The fourth woman was the only one to escape with mild injuries.


But yay! Trans people are mentally ill!!

He is the definition of mentally ill.

[Mystic Mock]

Body dysmorphia is a mental illness though, so why should any form of it be excluded from that?

Tbf the mental state behind people suffering with Body Dysmorphia is different to people that want to identify as Transgender.

Body Dysmorphia can come about from having an eating disorder for example.

[Oliver_W]

Tbf the mental state behind people suffering with Body Dysmorphia is different to people that want to identify as Transgender.

Body Dysmorphia can come about from having an eating disorder for example.

How someone is thinking their body is "wrong" not a form of dysmorphia?

[user104658]

How someone is thinking their body is "wrong" not a form of dysmorphia?

It is actually different, it's more or less the other way around. Body dysmorphia is people being unable to see what their body actually looks like objectively and believe themselves to be physically something they're not (I.e. people who are already underweight genuinely believing they look fat).

For trans people it's that they ARE aware of the objective reality of their body, but don't think it fits their subjective sense of self.

[Oliver_W]

It is actually different, it's more or less the other way around. Body dysmorphia is people being unable to see what their body actually looks like objectively and believe themselves to be physically something they're not (I.e. people who are already underweight genuinely believing they look fat).

For trans people it's that they ARE aware of the objective reality of their body, but don't think it fits their subjective sense of self.

Fair, then I stand corrected on that count.

But whatever you call it, a rejection and denial of physical reality and the belief that one's body needs to be changed isn't the most mentally healthy thing ever.:laugh:

[user104658]

The sad thing is that dysphoria (the general symptom, which encapsulates all sorts of things not just gender) has been understood for a LONG time to be a symptom of depression. Unfortunately it now seems to have been "rebranded" as the cause of the depression rather than a symptom which - in most people - is for one likely to resolve once the root cause of the depression is resolved and also, more importantly, resolving the dysphoria does NOT resolve the root cause of depression, which is why trans people often experience a prolonged period of remission from depression/suicidal ideation after they transition, but ultimately after a few years relapse into depression. This is then misidentified as being "caused by people who don't accept trans people". It's an absolute mess of a situation.

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GOR8hu7WsAAPnwx?format=jpg&name=small

https://x.com/darrengrimes_/status/1793695575621140874

lets read the replies...oh wait :think: there wont be any....

:bored:

[Glenn.]

LGBTQ people don’t kill themselves because they’re LGBTQ they kill themselves in response to bullying, discrimination, homophobia, depression, anxiety, substance abuse, violence, gender nonconformity, low self-esteem and societal and family rejection.

[Crimson Dynamo]

LGBTQ people don’t kill themselves because they’re LGBTQ they kill themselves in response to bullying, discrimination, homophobia, depression, anxiety, substance abuse, violence, gender nonconformity, low self-esteem and societal and family rejection.

really, what study is that from?

[user104658]

LGBTQ people don’t kill themselves because they’re LGBTQ they kill themselves in response to bullying, discrimination, homophobia, depression, anxiety, substance abuse, violence, gender nonconformity, low self-esteem and societal and family rejection.

Study after study proves that this is not the case, suicidality increases because there's an expectation (and one that's dangerously encouraged and affirmed) that gender "correction" will alleviate feelings of depression and anxiety that are pre-existing and have nothing to do with gender whatsoever. When gender reassignment is complete and (in the vast majority of cases) only offers temporary relief from the symptoms of depression and anxiety, which then return, the individual is left with zero coping mechanism (as their previous coping mechanism was the strong belief that gender reassignment would be the answer). The suicide risk due to the feeling of hopelessness at this point is MASSIVELY increased.

These are the simple facts of the psychology behind it, they might be inconvenient when pushing a social narrative but it's just the truth. And anyone who cares about the lives of individuals should care only about the truth; not the "mission".

[Crimson Dynamo]

Culture war getting wrecked by facts

Ouch

[Glenn.]

Study after study proves that this is not the case, suicidality increases because there's an expectation (and one that's dangerously encouraged and affirmed) that gender "correction" will alleviate feelings of depression and anxiety that are pre-existing and have nothing to do with gender whatsoever. When gender reassignment is complete and (in the vast majority of cases) only offers temporary relief from the symptoms of depression and anxiety, which then return, the individual is left with zero coping mechanism (as their previous coping mechanism was the strong belief that gender reassignment would be the answer). The suicide risk due to the feeling of hopelessness at this point is MASSIVELY increased.

These are the simple facts of the psychology behind it, they might be inconvenient when pushing a social narrative but it's just the truth. And anyone who cares about the lives of individuals should care only about the truth; not the "mission".

Not just talking about gender reaffirmation, it’s LGBTQ community in general. Just because you slap on some buzz words to push an agenda doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen

[Oliver_W]

Not just talking about gender reaffirmation, it’s LGBTQ community in general. Just because you slap on some buzz words to push an agenda doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen

Well the study LT posted, the one to which you were replying, was about trans people in specific, not LGBT "community" in general.

[Glenn.]

Trans people are the LGBTQ community.

[Oliver_W]

Trans people are the LGBTQ community.

Part of it, yes. But issues faced by one part of the LGBT won't necessarily be the same with the rest.

[Glenn.]

They face the same or sometimes worse derogatory and hateful situations. We wouldn’t be in a thread called the war on transgender if that wasn’t the case.

[Crimson Dynamo]

They face the same or sometimes worse derogatory and hateful situations. We wouldn’t be in a thread called the war on transgender if that wasn’t the case.

Made by Liam:laugh2:

[Mystic Mock]

It is actually different, it's more or less the other way around. Body dysmorphia is people being unable to see what their body actually looks like objectively and believe themselves to be physically something they're not (I.e. people who are already underweight genuinely believing they look fat).

For trans people it's that they ARE aware of the objective reality of their body, but don't think it fits their subjective sense of self.

Exactly, the mindset is different between the two groups.

[Mystic Mock]

I think the way society currently is, isn't helping with suicide rates imo.

Especially if these studies are correct that the Transgender community are more likely to have bad Mental Health, the way that society is currently working will push some of them over the edge.

[Glenn.]

Made by Liam:laugh2:
And filled to the brim by you

Seems the point of the thread has gone right over your head… not really surprising. Nothing there to catch anything is there.

[user104658]

Not just talking about gender reaffirmation, it’s LGBTQ community in general. Just because you slap on some buzz words to push an agenda doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen

It doesn't even have anything to do with LGBTQ or any other community - it's just a complete misunderstanding of depression, anxiety and suicidality. The data just doesn't support the supposition.

[Redrose]

Why do middle class gays like Jonathan Lis think homophobia is dead. It's alive and well on this planet. A Lesbian kindergarten teacher lost her job at Catholic school for marrying a woman. Even in Eurovision Olly's performance was labelled perverted and he got zero points from the audience while trans and non binary performers were praised and got into the top 5.

[Mystic Mock]

Why do middle class gays like Jonathan Lis think homophobia is dead. It's alive and well on this planet. A Lesbian kindergarten teacher lost her job at Catholic school for marrying a woman. Even in Eurovision Olly's performance was labelled perverted and he got zero points from the audience while trans and non binary performers were praised and got into the top 5.

I honestly don't get the issue with Olly's performance.

It was no different to Slovenia's staging.

And btw to any feminists that hate on Stellar Blade because Eve's "not realistic" with how she looks, well the Slovenian woman at Eurovision has a similar physique to her, and she looked very real to me, so it kind of throws the "no women look like that" argument out of the window.

[Zizu]

I honestly don't get the issue with Olly's performance.

It was no different to Slovenia's staging.

And btw to any feminists that hate on Stellar Blade because Eve's "not realistic" with how she looks, well the Slovenian woman at Eurovision has a similar physique to her, and she looked very real to me, so it kind of throws the "no women look like that" argument out of the window.


I still think that if Olly had chosen female dancers or a mix of male / female then he may have got a better reaction


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[Mystic Mock]

I still think that if Olly had chosen female dancers or a mix of male / female then he may have got a better reaction


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That does kind of show a bit of Homophobia on the audience's part if that really was such an issue for them.

[Zizu]

That does kind of show a bit of Homophobia on the audience's part if that really was such an issue for them.


Maybe that’s the way society is ..

My beautiful wife and I are also fans of Will Young and obviously accepting of his sexuality from the beginning.

Now we have followed his career, loved all his music and even went to see him live at the MEN arena.

We love his personality as much as anything especially his guest appearances on tv shows where his personality shone through BUT a few years ago on one particular chat show he suddenly presented as being extremely feminine/camp and started to flirt with a male guest and even went and sat on his lap behaving kinda helpless and submissive , even girly / girlish.

Now that slightly surprised/shocked the audience somewhat ( and us two as well ) .


So maybe it was because it’s not something we had seen that often or maybe it was because we’d never seen him interacting with another guy before and it was a side of his personality that he’d kept hidden ?

Maybe in another 20 years… society will be more accepting / tolerant ?


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[Mystic Mock]

Maybe that’s the way society is ..

My beautiful wife and I are also fans of Will Young and obviously accepting of his sexuality from the beginning.

Now we have followed his career, loved all his music and even went to see him live at the MEN arena.

We love his personality as much as anything especially his guest appearances on tv shows where his personality shone through BUT a few years ago on one particular chat show he suddenly presented as being extremely feminine/camp and started to flirt with a male guest and even went and sat on his lap behaving kinda helpless and submissive , even girly / girlish.

Now that slightly surprised/shocked the audience somewhat ( and us two as well ) .


So maybe it was because it’s not something we had seen that often or maybe it was because we’d never seen him interacting with another guy before and it was a side of his personality that he’d kept hidden ?

Maybe in another 20 years… society will be more accepting / tolerant ?


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Tbf I'm not saying that it isn't natural to be a little shocked at seeing something that you don't regularly see in your day to day life (like tbh I don't regularly hang out with any Homosexual couples in my personal life either) but that's more to do with me being a shut in.:laugh:

Plus I do understand that for anybody in older age groups are especially going to be shocked by Olly's performance, and I don't think that those people should be shamed for that.

However the people that hated on him because of the performance, and got really personal about him is what I didn't really understand.

[Zizu]

Tbf I'm not saying that it isn't natural to be a little shocked at seeing something that you don't regularly see in your day to day life (like tbh I don't regularly hang out with any Homosexual couples in my personal life either) but that's more to do with me being a shut in.:laugh:

Plus I do understand that for anybody in older age groups are especially going to be shocked by Olly's performance, and I don't think that those people should be shamed for that.

However the people that hated on him because of the performance, and got really personal about him is what I didn't really understand.


True enough


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[Crimson Dynamo]

J.K. Rowling reposted

Jenny Lindsay
@msjlindsay

When I speak of "fragile thuggery" this is a perfect example. A near-hysterical
claim of emotional damage from even SEEING a book one disagrees with, in a
culture where women have *literally* been punched in the face by activists
who think this way. It has to stop being indulged.

Lissa Evans
@LissaKEvans
Here is the paragraph from the 'Resources' page of
@LitScotland
. Many, many writers and people in publishing are afraid to express their perfectly legal views on gender ideology (an ideology responsible for vast amounts of damage to young people).
This is why they're afraid

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GOWN7jjWsAA59q-?format=png&name=900x900

The Literature Alliance Scotland It is Scotland’s largest network for literature and languages, bringing together writers, publishers, educators, librarians, literature organisations and national cultural bodies. :umm2:

https://x.com/msjlindsay/status/1794040581435404658

https://i0.wp.com/wingsoverscotland.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/05/lasterfs.jpg?w=694&ssl=1

GREAT ARTICLE HERE: https://wingsoverscotland.com/the-misogyny-alliance/

[Crimson Dynamo]

J.K. Rowling
@jk_rowling


Britain has banned puberty blockers.

https://x.com/jk_rowling/status/1796226083794395346

[Liam-]

https://twitter.com/lgbwiththet/status/1795907997052375115?s=46&t=-V1HH0UJyce-tDsLnymASQ

Something for the naive/stupid ‘we’re only protecting kids’ gang to digest

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://twitter.com/lgbwiththet/status/1795907997052375115?s=46&t=-V1HH0UJyce-tDsLnymASQ

Something for the naive/stupid ‘we’re only protecting kids’ gang to digest

cult leader?

who is tweeting that a teenager?

pathetic

:joker:

[Liam-]

Puberty blockers will be banned for trans kids because they’re too ‘dangerous’ but will continue to be used for cis kids because apparently it’s perfectly safe for them to use, this is a blatant assault on trans lives and possibly also not very legal and also, a very obvious ploy to pander to the worst types of people for the election because it’s only going to last until September, playing with the lives of the vulnerable for hopeful political gain, anybody and everybody involved or endorsing this should be ashamed, and should be held responsible for any deaths or recorded self harm that occurs as a result of this evil decision

[Livia]

No such thing as a cis kid.