Southport: 17year old Arrested Terrorist with Knife Killed 3 Children, Wounded many

[Vanessa]

What can be done to stop it being repeated though?
Ban carrying any knife. Jail time if you're caught carrying one.

[Livia]

If he doesn’t take flowers he is a heartless arshole
If he takes flowers he a schemming arshole

I'd have had more respect if he's bought some flowers from a garage and laid them. But no. He was handed an arrangement that will be paid for from the public purse. I know how this stuff works...

[Livia]

All those incidents of knife crime can't be all coincidence.
Unchecked immigration has lead to this.
Of course it's only my opinion.

And mine too.

[Vanessa]

They're punishing the rioters, which is fair enough.
But what happened in Southend last night isn't mentioned anywhere in the news.
Also the guy who attacked a police officer during the vigil, not mentioned in the news.
Selective journalism.

[AnnieK]

Ban carrying any knife. Jail time if you're caught carrying one.

I 100% could get on board with this......

There would need to be some exemptions due to some trades and hobbies but it certainly wouldn't hurt.

[Vanessa]

I 100% could get on board with this......

There would need to be some exemptions due to some trades and hobbies but it certainly wouldn't hurt.
Yes. Something needs to be done. It's frightening that the government doesn't think this is a priority.

[Zizu]

WTF

The police have just been granted MORE time to question the MASS MURDERER !!

More time !! More time !!!

He shouldn’t even be breathing at this stage !!


Agghhhhhhhh !!!!


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[Ammi]

They're punishing the rioters, which is fair enough.
But what happened in Southend last night isn't mentioned anywhere in the news.
Also the guy who attacked a police officer during the vigil, not mentioned in the news.
Selective journalism.

…that has been reported in the news, Vanessa..I’m pretty sure that several media’s reported it but this is one…

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce4q8eepj8po

…it’s not the only one, though…?…I also saw it on the TV news yesterday evening…which was how I was aware of it…

[Vanessa]

WTF

The police have just been granted MORE time to question the MASS MURDERER !!

More time !! More time !!!

He shouldn’t even be breathing at this stage !!


Agghhhhhhhh !!!!


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What is there to question? He did it. Should be automatic jail for life.

[Vanessa]

…that has been reported in the news, Vanessa..I’m pretty sure that several media’s reported it but this is one…

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce4q8eepj8po

…it’s not the only one, though…?…I also saw it on the TV news yesterday evening…which was how I was aware of it…

I haven't seen it. But no mention about it by the government. Clearly it's not priority.

[MTVN]

WTF

The police have just been granted MORE time to question the MASS MURDERER !!

More time !! More time !!!

He shouldn’t even be breathing at this stage !!


Agghhhhhhhh !!!!


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Presumably trying to clarify the motive

[Zizu]

The country has been a mess for a long time...........all this unrest doesn't stem from just a month


Just an unfortunate coincidence ??

The Tories just like every previous government were uselessly inept and corrupt BUT they looked far better on paper imho

Look back and the moment they released details of the new cabinet I said .. Gawd help us !!


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[Ammi]

…news stories of the events in Southport and three children killed, I would say ….have taken the majority of covering in all news media’s in the UK…it’s all such an horrendous incident …

[Parmy]

Where were the riots about Lucy Letby?

Just a mild protest in the end.

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/lucy-letby-supporters-plot-protest-28992833

[Ammi]

I haven't seen it. But no mention about it by the government. Clearly it's not priority.

…I’m not sure what crime activity the government’s do mention on a daily basis, I don’t really follow the detail of their commenting…but yes, I would say that the focus yesterday by so many…was the three children who lost their lives and their families and the events that had been and were still unfolding in Southport…

[bots]

the police are always granted more time to hold prisoners without charge in cases like this so, there is no point trying to imply that it is unusual.

It's the same police force under labour as it was under the tories. Again, what difference is a government going to make in a month.

People are being manipulated right now by hostile forces whether that be internal, external or both. They are being led like a trained puppy by being fed stories deliberately designed to spark outrage and racial conflict

People really need to stop reading social media, because it is trash

[Ammi]

WTF

The police have just been granted MORE time to question the MASS MURDERER !!

More time !! More time !!!

He shouldn’t even be breathing at this stage !!


Agghhhhhhhh !!!!


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Presumably trying to clarify the motive

…also I think it’s often a slower process when it isn’t an adult as an adult presence has to be there at all times of the interview stages…

[thesheriff443]

I 100% could get on board with this......

There would need to be some exemptions due to some trades and hobbies but it certainly wouldn't hurt.

Gang members have knifes hidden around the streets for easy access

Even when we see someone getting stopped with a machete you never hear of them being sentenced

You are never going to stop someone getting stabbed even if it’s not a knife they could use sharp objects

[bots]

What is there to question? He did it. Should be automatic jail for life.

police still have to collect evidence, as we have a justice system here not dictated by social media bots

[Oliver_W]

Why are people even attacking the police? They have the initial attacker in custody, and the guy who went to the vigil with a knife was apprehended quickly. They put themselves in danger at the airport attack and didn't let anyone else get hurt.

So what's the issue? All sounds fairly effective to me.

[thesheriff443]

police still have to collect evidence, as we have a justice system here not dictated by social media bots

Honestly I see Vanessa in this thread as an hysterical woman

Reading crap written on other platforms and coming into this thread and just screaming out statements

[Ammi]

…anyway, let’s hope that the victims who have lost their lives doesn’t rise above three…so many still in hospital with critical wounds and some of those may be life altering…

[Parmy]

They're punishing the rioters, which is fair enough.
But what happened in Southend last night isn't mentioned anywhere in the news.
Also the guy who attacked a police officer during the vigil, not mentioned in the news.
Selective journalism.

https://youtu.be/YvgCCVJG46E?feature=shared

[Vanessa]

…anyway, let’s hope that the victims who have lost their lives doesn’t rise above three…so many still in hospital with critical wounds and some of those may be life altering…
Yes let's hope they all make it.

[Vanessa]

…anyway, let’s hope that the victims who have lost their lives doesn’t rise above three…so many still in hospital with critical wounds and some of those may be life altering…

Honestly I see Vanessa in this thread as an hysterical woman

Reading crap written on other platforms and coming into this thread and just screaming out statements
I'm not hysterical. We all have our opinions.

[thesheriff443]

I'm not hysterical. We all have our opinions.

Honestly you just been spouting out crap from the internet

Surprised you have not said he should be hung in the street

[user104658]

It's becoming a bigger and bigger problem I think. What happened is absolutely horrific no matter what, but the rioting makes absolutely no sense. Just aimless, mindless destruction... and it seems to be happening more and more, with every big news story. No matter what it is, swathes of people will use it as an excuse to take to the streets for some civil unrest. It's not really about what has happened. It's just a symptom of a much wider problem currently at play in the western world.

When stories as tragic as this one are the excuse and get completely swept aside in the wake of random destruction, it becomes especially sad.

[user104658]

Honestly I see Vanessa in this thread as an hysterical woman

Reading crap written on other platforms and coming into this thread and just screaming out statements

Me every time Alf posts on any thread.

[Vanessa]

Honestly you just been spouting out crap from the internet

Surprised you have not said he should be hung in the street
I'm not changing my opinions just because you don't like it.
I've never said that. I said jail for life.

[Vanessa]

It's becoming a bigger and bigger problem I think. What happened is absolutely horrific no matter what, but the rioting makes absolutely no sense. Just aimless, mindless destruction... and it seems to be happening more and more, with every big news story. No matter what it is, swathes of people will use it as an excuse to take to the streets for some civil unrest. It's not really about what has happened. It's just a symptom of a much wider problem currently at play in the western world.

When stories as tragic as this one are the excuse and get completely swept aside in the wake of random destruction, it becomes especially sad.
We can all agree on this. It's a worrying trend. And they all stood watching while the gangs were in Southend last night. Horrific.

[Zizu]

the police are always granted more time to hold prisoners without charge in cases like this so, there is no point trying to imply that it is unusual.

It's the same police force under labour as it was under the tories. Again, what difference is a government going to make in a month.

People are being manipulated right now by hostile forces whether that be internal, external or both. They are being led like a trained puppy by being fed stories deliberately designed to spark outrage and racial conflict

People really need to stop reading social media, because it is trash


To be fair.. after a mass slaughter of innocent young children I would expect the default time allowed for questioning to be AS LONG AS IT TAKES …


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[arista]

Police Chief now live SkyNewsHD

She will have Police there tonight


Many thugs were arrested.

54 Officers Injured


She told Martin Brunt
they were not surprised by last night?


But he met another lady who showed him a message
on her phone, yesterday
"It said 8PM Tonight
Be there
It could be your kids next"

Of course, the thugs kicked down small walls
in gardens then chucked bricks at the Police.

And they over powered the Police
getting to a Police van
setting it on fire...................

[Vanessa]

To be fair.. after a mass slaughter of innocent young children I would expect the default time allowed for questioning to be AS LONG AS IT TAKES …


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Lock him up and throw away the key.

[thesheriff443]

I'm not changing my opinions just because you don't like it.
I've never said that. I said jail for life.

Truth is you are just like so many others actually spreading misinformation

[Zizu]

Surprised you have not said he should be hung in the street


Actually that was my third preference


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[Ammi]

It's becoming a bigger and bigger problem I think. What happened is absolutely horrific no matter what, but the rioting makes absolutely no sense. Just aimless, mindless destruction... and it seems to be happening more and more, with every big news story. No matter what it is, swathes of people will use it as an excuse to take to the streets for some civil unrest. It's not really about what has happened. It's just a symptom of a much wider problem currently at play in the western world.

When stories as tragic as this one are the excuse and get completely swept aside in the wake of random destruction, it becomes especially sad.

…I mean, the main escalator and carrier of misinformation is social media, isn’t it…but that would seem difficult…(…if not, impossible..)…to regulate enough to be able to prevent the incitement it seems to…things don’t seem to have to have any truth at all to take flight and travel with a lightening speed…

[Zizu]

Lock him up and throw away the key.


Well you are more forgiving than I .. young lady


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[Vanessa]

Truth is you are just like so many others actually spreading misinformation

We don't know the identify of who did it. But the rest is well known. It's all over the news.

[Ammi]

We can all agree on this. It's a worrying trend. And they all stood watching while the gangs were in Southend last night. Horrific.

…’they’ do you mean the police officers, Vanessa…?…I believe all were arrested and all of the weapons were seized so there was no standing around and doing nothing…on the TV news last night, what I saw…(…and because there was an obvious danger to the public situation…)…was the police keeping the area clear and safe and staying that safe distance themselves, while they did that…but it all resulted in those arrests and that taking of all the weapons…

[Ammi]

…anyway, I’m not going to deviate anymore in this thread to the Southend incident…

[thesheriff443]

Well you are more forgiving than I .. young lady


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We have a justice system not a mob on the streets handing out their own justice

What do you think would happen to you and your family if society breaks down completely

[Vanessa]

…’they’ do you mean the police officers, Vanessa…?…I believe all were arrested and all of the weapons were seized so there was no standing around and doing nothing…on the TV news last night, what I saw…(…and because there was an obvious danger to the public situation…)…was the police keeping the area clear and safe and staying that safe distance themselves, while they did that…but it all resulted in those arrests and that taking of all the weapons…

From what I saw they were not police officers. They came afterwards and made arrests.

[thesheriff443]

We don't know the identify of who did it. But the rest is well known. It's all over the news.

Just stop and listen to yourself

They are not going to be blackmailed into giving you and others alike information that’s part of a criminal investigation

You were on here last post nonsense about his family and the father being protected and the father not being a nice person

Just random bollox you read on other platforms

[user104658]

…I mean, the main escalator and carrier of misinformation is social media, isn’t it…but that would seem difficult…(…if not, impossible..)…to regulate enough to be able to prevent the incitement it seems to…things don’t seem to have to have any truth at all to take flight and travel with a lightening speed…

I agree that Social Media in this case is the tool that makes these very quick mass gatherings possible, and "SoMed mindset" is absolutely a part of the equation of what's going on with people, but I don't think it can be the whole story. We've had Social Media for more than 15 years at this point, and it's been very mainstream for at least 10... but the "riot for every story" trend seems to be massively increasing in pace in recent years. Probably since Covid-times. I think Covid regulations, and lockdown, perhaps had a marked and permanent effect on social psych in the west in some ways.

Lots of factors coming together but it's a scary trend. I don't imagine it's going to get better before it gets much worse.

[user104658]

I would add, that it's now on my rapidly growing list of "reasons I'm glad I don't live in or near a large town or city".

[arista]

Police Chief now live SkyNewsHD

She will have Police there tonight


Many thugs were arrested.

54 Officers Injured


She told Martin Brunt
they were not surprised by last night?


But he met another lady who showed him a message
on her phone, yesterday
"It said 8PM Tonight
Be there
It could be your kids next"

Of course, the thugs kicked down small walls
in gardens then chucked bricks at the Police.

And they over powered the Police
getting to a Police van
setting it on fire...................


I added more to this post

[Ammi]

I agree that Social Media in this case is the tool that makes these very quick mass gatherings possible, and "SoMed mindset" is absolutely a part of the equation of what's going on with people, but I don't think it can be the whole story. We've had Social Media for more than 15 years at this point, and it's been very mainstream for at least 10... but the "riot for every story" trend seems to be massively increasing in pace in recent years. Probably since Covid-times. I think Covid regulations, and lockdown, perhaps had a marked and permanent effect on social psych in the west in some ways.

Lots of factors coming together but it's a scary trend. I don't imagine it's going to get better before it gets much worse.

…well, more and more …(…and as you say, COVID times were a big factor…)…the movie playing out on the world stage has been of greater civil unrest and I think the starring role in that is social media …because it’s all being stoked and prodded and the flames fanned by many governments and establishments and all of those ments who like to keep the distraction of a divisive society…it’s a very layered thing, though…because no matter what fake news is posted on social media and by who…?…the reader will believe it because they want to…

[Parmy]

Whoever wrote that txt is correct, it could indeed be your kids next...until this government does something about it, then that threat is alive and well. Which leads me to this unrest being aimed at the government and law enforcement, and not so much the muslims.

[GoldHeart]

Presumably trying to clarify the motive

Or maybe they'll release him

[Redway]

Apparently the people responsible for Southport awful events are the same ones who committed the Rwanda genocide.
We have housed them here in the UK!
The deal was to send them back, but since the Rwanda immigration plan was scrapped they're still here.
If this is true the PM is responsible for this.

So Rwanda’s suffering as well as the UK. What exactly is your point?

[Vanessa]

Just stop and listen to yourself

They are not going to be blackmailed into giving you and others alike information that’s part of a criminal investigation

You were on here last post nonsense about his family and the father being protected and the father not being a nice person

Just random bollox you read on other platforms

It's just a theory. Not been proven.

[Vanessa]

Whoever wrote that txt is correct, it could indeed be your kids next...until this government does something about it, then that threat is alive and well. Which leads me to this unrest being aimed at the government and law enforcement, and not so much the muslims.

Yes and that's exactly my worry. If nothing is done things can easily escalate.

[Vanessa]

So Rwanda’s suffering as well as the UK. What exactly is your point?

I was just wondering if there was a link. I never said it as a fact. It's all speculation at this point.

[Vanessa]

And this is why I never post on serious debates. It always gets nasty.
God forbid anyone has any opinions or asks questions in here.

[Parmy]

So Rwanda’s suffering as well as the UK. What exactly is your point?

Well labour has cost rwanda a hell of a lot if money...
And the attacker is from Rwandan parents..high profile ones if vanessa is to be believed..:shrug:

You just never never know.....infact scrap that thought, we probably paid them in full at the start.

[Vanessa]

"Calls to expedite probe into five Rwandan genocide suspects living freely in Britain 30 years after massacre | The Independent" https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/rwanda-genocide-suspects-police-investigation-b2482814.html

[Vanessa]

"Rwanda president suggests UK extradite genocide suspects after asylum deal | Rwanda | The Guardian" https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2022/may/16/rwanda-president-suggests-uk-extradite-genocide-suspect-asylum-deal-paul-kagame

[Zizu]

…’they’ do you mean the police officers, Vanessa…?…I believe all were arrested and all of the weapons were seized so there was no standing around and doing nothing…on the TV news last night, what I saw…(…and because there was an obvious danger to the public situation…)…was the police keeping the area clear and safe and staying that safe distance themselves, while they did that…but it all resulted in those arrests and that taking of all the weapons…


Link to that please


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[bots]

Well labour has cost rwanda a hell of a lot if money...
And the attacker is from Rwandan parents..high profile ones if vanessa is to be believed..:shrug:

You just never never know.....infact scrap that thought, we probably paid them in full at the start.

labour hasn't cost Rwanda anything, they get to keep the 700m the tories gave them

[Zizu]

We have a justice system not a mob on the streets handing out their own justice

What do you think would happen to you and your family if society breaks down completely


I am already worried .. thankfully half of our family are in a lovely, SAFE part of Florida


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[GoldHeart]

I wonder if we'll ever get told what the motive is , I still think it was a hate crime , and wouldn't surprise me if other politics is involved....who goes out of there way to attack a daycare of children!??. The focus is still mainly on the killer's 'mental health'.

Do people not realise someone can be unhinged in the head aswell as full of hatred & anger, to go out stabbing people especially children... that's another level of horrific , and I still believe it was targeted.

This attack isn't the same as when someone gets stabbed in the street, which is still also nasty of course.But like I said this is on another level.

[Zizu]

I would add, that it's now on my rapidly growing list of "reasons I'm glad I don't live in or near a large town or city".


Yeah … I said that very same thing yesterday


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[Ammi]

Locals clean up after ‘people from out of town cause mayhem’ in Southport…


Locals in Southport have gathered for a clean-up operation outside a mosque after right-wing rioters brought further misery to a town already reeling from a knife attack that left three children dead.

Dozens of residents were outside Southport mosque with brushes and shovels on Wednesday morning, after violent protests that saw bricks, stones and bottles thrown at police and cars set alight.

Norman Wallis, chief executive of Southport Pleasureland, said people had travelled from out of town to wreak havoc, leaving locals to clean up the mess.

https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/nPZJHXEXbidJ.fUeEFWpbQ--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjt3PTEyODA7aD04NTQ-/https://media.zenfs.com/en/pa_viral_news_uk_120/dfb9c2f9709eff09b53001848ffb04e6


…it’s good to see the strong community they all have in Southport…:love:…

[Zizu]

Locals clean up after ‘people from out of town cause mayhem’ in Southport…


Locals in Southport have gathered for a clean-up operation outside a mosque after right-wing rioters brought further misery to a town already reeling from a knife attack that left three children dead.

Dozens of residents were outside Southport mosque with brushes and shovels on Wednesday morning, after violent protests that saw bricks, stones and bottles thrown at police and cars set alight.

Norman Wallis, chief executive of Southport Pleasureland, said people had travelled from out of town to wreak havoc, leaving locals to clean up the mess.

https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/nPZJHXEXbidJ.fUeEFWpbQ--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjt3PTEyODA7aD04NTQ-/https://media.zenfs.com/en/pa_viral_news_uk_120/dfb9c2f9709eff09b53001848ffb04e6


…it’s good to see the strong community they all have in Southport…:love:…


Lets see what happens tonight


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[user104658]

Locals clean up after ‘people from out of town cause mayhem’ in Southport…


Locals in Southport have gathered for a clean-up operation outside a mosque after right-wing rioters brought further misery to a town already reeling from a knife attack that left three children dead.

Dozens of residents were outside Southport mosque with brushes and shovels on Wednesday morning, after violent protests that saw bricks, stones and bottles thrown at police and cars set alight.

Norman Wallis, chief executive of Southport Pleasureland, said people had travelled from out of town to wreak havoc, leaving locals to clean up the mess.

https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/nPZJHXEXbidJ.fUeEFWpbQ--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjt3PTEyODA7aD04NTQ-/https://media.zenfs.com/en/pa_viral_news_uk_120/dfb9c2f9709eff09b53001848ffb04e6


…it’s good to see the strong community they all have in Southport…:love:…

"People from out of town" hmmm sure some of them, my sister in law's ex was apparently there (not a nice chap in the end - there are good reasons he's her ex) and he's very much a "Southport local". Moved back there after she dumped his arse. Now seemingly involved in rioting :facepalm:.

[Vanessa]

I wonder if we'll ever get told what the motive is , I still think it was a hate crime , and wouldn't surprise me if other politics is involved....who goes out of there way to attack a daycare of children!??. The focus is still mainly on the killer's 'mental health'.

Do people not realise someone can be unhinged in the head aswell as full of hatred & anger, to go out stabbing people especially children... that's another level of horrific , and I still believe it was targeted.

This attack isn't the same as when someone gets stabbed in the street, which is still also nasty of course.But like I said this is on another level.
Maybe he was radicalized? Who knows? I doubt we will ever find out.

[Vanessa]

I am already worried .. thankfully half of our family are in a lovely, SAFE part of Florida


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Yes. I live in London and I don't feel safe at all. Trouble even happens in the town centre, where it's full of police.

[Parmy]

Out of towners.....that must mean the out of towners rioting in southend were right wing as well..strange, most of them looked too black for that.

[Vanessa]

Out of towners.....that must mean the out of towners rioting in southend were right wing as well..strange, most of them looked too black for that.

They look like day trippers to me? Apparently it was an organized event from tik tok.

[GoldHeart]

Maybe he was radicalized? Who knows? I doubt we will ever find out.

Yeah he could have been radicalized .

According to this article the family and the boy growing up seemed ' normal'.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/jul/30/police-searching-for-motive-for-southport-stabbings-focus-on-suspects-mental-health

[GoldHeart]

Also let's not forget not all the rioting is political, there's always random yobs who just like to kick off and cause damage.

Remember in 2010 ....it was full of people who had nothing to do with the cause or had zero interest in the intuition fee protest itself. They just wanted to loot and smash things up and cause general chaos , I remember watching a documentary about one of the looters ...and she admitted the whole situation wasn't in her interest,yet she chose to get involved anyway just for the sake of it .

And it ended up affecting her career in the territorial army , she said she won't be going to anymore riots any time soon

[Vanessa]

Yeah he could have been radicalized .

According to this article the family and the boy growing up seemed ' normal'.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/jul/30/police-searching-for-motive-for-southport-stabbings-focus-on-suspects-mental-health

Or it could be a terrorist cell initiation?

[bots]

it's already been stated by the police that there are no obvious links to terrorism (by foreign entities)

[Vanessa]

it's already been stated by the police that there are no obvious links to terrorism (by foreign entities)

They are acts of terrorism by definition. Even if it's not from outside.

[arista]

Lets see what happens tonight




Nothing as Police will be there
Early

[arista]

Police now have
more time to talk to the Evil killer.


Charge him with 3 Murders

[Vanessa]

Police now have
more time to talk to the Evil killer.


Charge him with 3 Murders

That should get him jailed for life.

[arista]

That should get him jailed for life.


Yes should be

[Cherie]

Presumably trying to clarify the motive

I think the fact he targeted little girls and their female teachers we can all agree his motives were cowardly

[Liam-]

https://twitter.com/thinbluepaw/status/1818614880485716153?s=46&t=-V1HH0UJyce-tDsLnymASQ

Horrible, coked up thugs

[Zizu]

Nothing as Police will be there
Early


Hopefully nothing occurs .. though there may be more people looking for trouble tonight especially as they have had all day to wind everyone up and get prepared

I saw a few online guys definitely encouraging people to be proactive.. across the whole country as well .. they seem to think that NOW is the time to show the government that the people have had enough of all these illegal immigrants coming in by boat

Fingers crossed its nice and quiet. ..


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[Vanessa]

Hopefully nothing occurs .. though there may be more people looking for trouble tonight especially as they have had all day to wind everyone up and get prepared

I saw a few online guys definitely encouraging people to be proactive.. across the whole country as well .. they seem to think that NOW is the time to show the government that the people have had enough of all these illegal immigrants coming in by boat

Fingers crossed its nice and quiet. ..


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They're angry at the police. They should be angry at the government. They're so inept.

[GoldHeart]

They're angry at the police. They should be angry at the government. They're so inept.

Seems there's alot of anger at both the police & government,but the police were bearing the brunt and getting attacked also.

[Vanessa]

Seems there's alot of anger at both the police & government,but the police were bearing the brunt and getting attacked also.

Police are underfunded. They do what they can. Yes I agree they were scapegoats.

[Zizu]

Police are underfunded. They do what they can. Yes I agree they were scapegoats.


They’ve been understaffed and underfunding all my life ..


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[Vanessa]

They’ve been understaffed and underfunding all my life ..


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If this happened in the States the outcome would be different. Police are armed. They're also armed in my country.

[Parmy]

If this happened in the States the outcome would be different. Police are armed. They're also armed in my country.

Or brazil..police station would be ransacked and him lynched by now..


We are to soft.

[arista]

Last night
Fake Social Media brought in the EDL

4 arrested from last night's fights with the Police.

Ch5HDnews report.

[Vanessa]

Last night
Fake Social Media brought in the EDL

4 arrested from last night's fights with the Police.

Ch5HDnews report.

The EDL hasn't been active for 10 years. I don't know why they brought it up.

[GoldHeart]

The EDL hasn't been active for 10 years. I don't know why they brought it up.

Angry white yobs = EDL

There was chaos outside a mosque , but like I said they'd be alot of people just rioting for the sake of it...the whole mindless mob .

[Ninastar]

So many stupid posts on this thread. So little time.

It’s sad to me that there’s people on here (and on the internet in general) that just see this as a reason to attack others on their personal opinions. They don’t care about what happened, they just liiiive for the drama of arguing and trying to prove people wrong. The sad thing is that it’s both sides that do this.

There are certain things that should be discussed without names being thrown around all willy nilly.

I think it is okay to question the whole open borders/letting in undocumented people by the hundreds. I don’t think it makes you a racist or a xenophobe. (Now, are some of the ppl who think like this ignorant and close minded… yes, of course. But that is the same with all arguments. There will always be extremists on either side and we cannot let the crazy few be seen as the lead examples of our views… if that makes sense)

I saw a comment about banning knives and I just… no. Are we gonna ban cars because they run people over next? Ban those hovercrafts that hamas used? Guns are illegal in the UK and there are still shootings that happen daily. (Obviously not as bad as the US, before anyone jumps on me for that :eyeroll: )

With it being 3 young girls who were killed, it makes me wonder if they were targeted for that specifically… or if it was just a coincidence that all 3 kids that died were female.

It isn’t wrong to say that some cultures and religions are waaay less accepting than others. We constantly hear about how terrible Christianity is but other (more vicious) religions that just can’t be talked about because it’s seen as racist/xenophobic/whatever, idc. It’s honestly mind boggling to me. Why can we talk **** and trash one religion but not certain others? That’s not the equality that so many say they fight for.

Open borders and allowing undocumented immigrants into the public is not smart. It just isn’t and you can complain and whine about it all ya want, but at the end of the day, it’s letting a good amount of very dangerous people enter peaceful countries and literally cause terror. Honestly I’ve always been of the opinion that if you visit a country, you should respect their beliefs and values. And that just doesn’t happen anymore. People are entitled and expect the world and law to change to what suits them. They also don’t show respect for the countries they get relocated to (Again not all, but a good majority) and this is an issue.

I’m out of energy now so that’s all I have to say… I hope it gets better but honestly… this is just the start. There are just too many undocumented civilians running rampant and I honestly don’t ever see us being able to recover from it. It’s scary

[Zizu]

So many stupid posts on this thread. So little time.

It’s sad to me that there’s people on here (and on the internet in general) that just see this as a reason to attack others on their personal opinions. They don’t care about what happened, they just liiiive for the drama of arguing and trying to prove people wrong. The sad thing is that it’s both sides that do this.

There are certain things that should be discussed without names being thrown around all willy nilly.

I think it is okay to question the whole open borders/letting in undocumented people by the hundreds. I don’t think it makes you a racist or a xenophobe. (Now, are some of the ppl who think like this ignorant and close minded… yes, of course. But that is the same with all arguments. There will always be extremists on either side and we cannot let the crazy few be seen as the lead examples of our views… if that makes sense)

I saw a comment about banning knives and I just… no. Are we gonna ban cars because they run people over next? Ban those hovercrafts that hamas used? Guns are illegal in the UK and there are still shootings that happen daily. (Obviously not as bad as the US, before anyone jumps on me for that :eyeroll: )

With it being 3 young girls who were killed, it makes me wonder if they were targeted for that specifically… or if it was just a coincidence that all 3 kids that died were female.

It isn’t wrong to say that some cultures and religions are waaay less accepting than others. We constantly hear about how terrible Christianity is but other (more vicious) religions that just can’t be talked about because it’s seen as racist/xenophobic/whatever, idc. It’s honestly mind boggling to me. Why can we talk **** and trash one religion but not certain others? That’s not the equality that so many say they fight for.

Open borders and allowing undocumented immigrants into the public is not smart. It just isn’t and you can complain and whine about it all ya want, but at the end of the day, it’s letting a good amount of very dangerous people enter peaceful countries and literally cause terror. Honestly I’ve always been of the opinion that if you visit a country, you should respect their beliefs and values. And that just doesn’t happen anymore. People are entitled and expect the world and law to change to what suits them. They also don’t show respect for the countries they get relocated to (Again not all, but a good majority) and this is an issue.

I’m out of energy now so that’s all I have to say… I hope it gets better but honestly… this is just the start. There are just too many undocumented civilians running rampant and I honestly don’t ever see us being able to recover from it. It’s scary


I share your fears !!


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[GoldHeart]

So many stupid posts on this thread. So little time.

It’s sad to me that there’s people on here (and on the internet in general) that just see this as a reason to attack others on their personal opinions. They don’t care about what happened, they just liiiive for the drama of arguing and trying to prove people wrong. The sad thing is that it’s both sides that do this.

There are certain things that should be discussed without names being thrown around all willy nilly.

I think it is okay to question the whole open borders/letting in undocumented people by the hundreds. I don’t think it makes you a racist or a xenophobe. (Now, are some of the ppl who think like this ignorant and close minded… yes, of course. But that is the same with all arguments. There will always be extremists on either side and we cannot let the crazy few be seen as the lead examples of our views… if that makes sense)

I saw a comment about banning knives and I just… no. Are we gonna ban cars because they run people over next? Ban those hovercrafts that hamas used? Guns are illegal in the UK and there are still shootings that happen daily. (Obviously not as bad as the US, before anyone jumps on me for that :eyeroll: )

With it being 3 young girls who were killed, it makes me wonder if they were targeted for that specifically… or if it was just a coincidence that all 3 kids that died were female.

It isn’t wrong to say that some cultures and religions are waaay less accepting than others. We constantly hear about how terrible Christianity is but other (more vicious) religions that just can’t be talked about because it’s seen as racist/xenophobic/whatever, idc. It’s honestly mind boggling to me. Why can we talk **** and trash one religion but not certain others? That’s not the equality that so many say they fight for.

Open borders and allowing undocumented immigrants into the public is not smart. It just isn’t and you can complain and whine about it all ya want, but at the end of the day, it’s letting a good amount of very dangerous people enter peaceful countries and literally cause terror. Honestly I’ve always been of the opinion that if you visit a country, you should respect their beliefs and values. And that just doesn’t happen anymore. People are entitled and expect the world and law to change to what suits them. They also don’t show respect for the countries they get relocated to (Again not all, but a good majority) and this is an issue.

I’m out of energy now so that’s all I have to say… I hope it gets better but honestly… this is just the start. There are just too many undocumented civilians running rampant and I honestly don’t ever see us being able to recover from it. It’s scary

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I agree

[Ninastar]

Jesus I think that’s my longest post I’ve ever made on here lmao

But I’m so sick of the name calling and petty bullshit on here

[Vanessa]

Jesus I think that’s my longest post I’ve ever made on here lmao

But I’m so sick of the name calling and petty bullshit on here

Yes I think unchecked immigration is a real problem here in the UK.
But you cant talk about it or you're called a racist.
We're just supposed to accept it. I just can't agree with it.

[MTVN]

So many stupid posts on this thread. So little time.

It’s sad to me that there’s people on here (and on the internet in general) that just see this as a reason to attack others on their personal opinions. They don’t care about what happened, they just liiiive for the drama of arguing and trying to prove people wrong. The sad thing is that it’s both sides that do this.

There are certain things that should be discussed without names being thrown around all willy nilly.

I think it is okay to question the whole open borders/letting in undocumented people by the hundreds. I don’t think it makes you a racist or a xenophobe. (Now, are some of the ppl who think like this ignorant and close minded… yes, of course. But that is the same with all arguments. There will always be extremists on either side and we cannot let the crazy few be seen as the lead examples of our views… if that makes sense)

I saw a comment about banning knives and I just… no. Are we gonna ban cars because they run people over next? Ban those hovercrafts that hamas used? Guns are illegal in the UK and there are still shootings that happen daily. (Obviously not as bad as the US, before anyone jumps on me for that :eyeroll: )

With it being 3 young girls who were killed, it makes me wonder if they were targeted for that specifically… or if it was just a coincidence that all 3 kids that died were female.

It isn’t wrong to say that some cultures and religions are waaay less accepting than others. We constantly hear about how terrible Christianity is but other (more vicious) religions that just can’t be talked about because it’s seen as racist/xenophobic/whatever, idc. It’s honestly mind boggling to me. Why can we talk **** and trash one religion but not certain others? That’s not the equality that so many say they fight for.

Open borders and allowing undocumented immigrants into the public is not smart. It just isn’t and you can complain and whine about it all ya want, but at the end of the day, it’s letting a good amount of very dangerous people enter peaceful countries and literally cause terror. Honestly I’ve always been of the opinion that if you visit a country, you should respect their beliefs and values. And that just doesn’t happen anymore. People are entitled and expect the world and law to change to what suits them. They also don’t show respect for the countries they get relocated to (Again not all, but a good majority) and this is an issue.

I’m out of energy now so that’s all I have to say… I hope it gets better but honestly… this is just the start. There are just too many undocumented civilians running rampant and I honestly don’t ever see us being able to recover from it. It’s scary

Totally agree with much of what you say, I just don't think the argument over undocumented people, religion, culture etc really applies here

All we know is that he was born in the UK to Rwandan parents who presumably came here legally. Rwanda is a commonwealth country and a Christian one. So what's the connection between that and large numbers of undocumented migrants from Islamic countries? Only that they're both non-white it seems

Fundamental point is that there is no indication that illegal migration or Islamic extremism are relevant factors here so it is legitimate to question the motives of people who keep focusing on those two things imo

[Cherie]

Totally agree with much of what you say, I just don't think the argument over undocumented people, religion, culture etc really applies here

All we know is that he was born in the UK to Rwandan parents who presumably came here legally. Rwanda is a commonwealth country and a Christian one. So what's the connection between that and large numbers of undocumented migrants from Islamic countries? Only that they're both non-white it seems

Fundamental point is that there is no indication that illegal migration or Islamic extremism are relevant factors here so it is legitimate to question the motives of people who keep focusing on those two things imo

Well playing devils advocate the method used is very much out of the extremist Islamic playbook that said he could be an Incel like the guy who went nuts in Portsmouth

[MTVN]

Well playing devils advocate the method used is very much out of the extremist Islamic playbook that said he could be an Incel like the guy who went nuts in Portsmouth

Is it though? Just as much out of the American school shooter playbook surely which is normally white kids pissed off at the world. I think the incel angle could well have legs

[Ninastar]

Totally agree with much of what you say, I just don't think the argument over undocumented people, religion, culture etc really applies here

All we know is that he was born in the UK to Rwandan parents who presumably came here legally. Rwanda is a commonwealth country and a Christian one. So what's the connection between that and large numbers of undocumented migrants from Islamic countries? Only that they're both non-white it seems

Fundamental point is that there is no indication that illegal migration or Islamic extremism are relevant factors here so it is legitimate to question the motives of people who keep focusing on those two things imo

My bad, I thought he was an illegal immigrant

Also, I don’t hate immigrants. I actually love learning about all the diverse countries and the people who come from them. But I just believe it should be done safely. I also think that it’s unbelievably complicated to do things the legal way and it shouldn’t be that hard. Esp for those who just want to be able to live and work in a peaceful country

[Cherie]

Is it though? Just as much out of the American school shooter playbook surely which is normally white kids pissed off at the world. I think the incel angle could well have legs

I think knife attacks are yes

[Ammi]

…like MTVN, I agree with much of what you say, Caitlin…and am also with him on the rest of his thoughts…when the public had been informed that this was someone who was born in Wales and moved to the local area as a young child…social media still remained relentless with false information and false identities …no ‘truth’ would be accepted from any official source, social media’s ’truth’ was the only one being accepted on sites like Twitter…

[joeysteele]

What another senseless tragedy leading to losses of young lives.

I don't understand at all people who set out to do this to anyone, never mind children.

Plus too the disgusting rabble who caused the chaos last night
Only showed total disrespect to those lost young lives and to the families and others grieving for them.

[MTVN]

My bad, I thought he was an illegal immigrant

Also, I don’t hate immigrants. I actually love learning about all the diverse countries and the people who come from them. But I just believe it should be done safely. I also think that it’s unbelievably complicated to do things the legal way and it shouldn’t be that hard. Esp for those who just want to be able to live and work in a peaceful country

Agreed, I think immigration is very enriching on the whole and it's fascinating to hear everyone's life stories. I also think a country like Rwanda is exactly the type we should be welcoming migrants from - they've emerged from an awful genocide, they're a Christian country, they wanted to be in the Commonwealth even though they weren't under the Empire and they genuinely seem to value close ties to the UK.

I don't know what has gone wrong with this monster but I don't think it has anything to do with his heritage

[GoldHeart]

My bad, I thought he was an illegal immigrant

Also, I don’t hate immigrants. I actually love learning about all the diverse countries and the people who come from them. But I just believe it should be done safely. I also think that it’s unbelievably complicated to do things the legal way and it shouldn’t be that hard. Esp for those who just want to be able to live and work in a peaceful country

His parents are from Rwanda and he's British born it seems. But there's nothing wrong with what you were saying, it's still true and has weight what you're saying. Especially with making sure things are done the safe way .

[Vanessa]

What another senseless tragedy leading to losses of young lives.

I don't understand at all people who set out to do this to anyone, never mind children.

Plus too the disgusting rabble who caused the chaos last night
Only showed total disrespect to those lost young lives and to the families and others grieving for them.
Apparently it was a far right group.

[Vanessa]

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[Zizu]

It's all kicking off in Downing Street https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240731/b6f471482301b29dff563c9c3327eeb6.jpg

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i alluded to this earlier ..

This was planned last night online “ 7pm Downing Street … forget your jobs , forget days out … show them we’ve had enough “

They were saying .. “ we have to get rid of all these unwanted immigrants flooding into towns and villages across the country and stop anymore coming in “


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[Mystic Mock]

What about the ones that went to war on a lie, killing over a million people. Labour.

Give me an example of what Britain First has done that is more dangerous than killing over a million people?

That's because Britain First doesn't have that kind of power.

Because going by your logic, the Republican Party is more dangerous than Britain First because of the Iraq War and January 6th, or that just about any Political Party is more dangerous just because they have more power.

[Mystic Mock]

No, but they're losing control. They haven't got a clue.

Neither did the Tories tbf, and they had 14 years to get it right.

[bots]

you can't stop people rioting unless you use extreme measures. You can't stop someone trying to kill another person. If they want to do it, they will

Those are are facts

[Vanessa]

you can't stop people rioting unless you use extreme measures. You can't stop someone trying to kill another person. If they want to do it, they will

Those are are facts
It looks like people have had enough. Protests all over the country. I haven't seen this in a long time.

[Alf]

That's because Britain First doesn't have that kind of power.

Because going by your logic, the Republican Party is more dangerous than Britain First because of the Iraq War and January 6th, or that just about any Political Party is more dangerous just because they have more power.I didn't have a logic, you just said that "obviously, Britain First are the most dangerous" out of Labour and Britain First. So I gave you an example of Labour being dangerous and just asked you to give me an example of Britain First being more dangerous than the example I gave you.

If they have zero power, then they can't be that dangerous, can they?

[Ninastar]

I would just use the firehose on rioters tbh

[Vanessa]

I would just use the firehose on rioters tbh

There are protests happening all over the country right now. People are concerned. Police is charging at everyone, including innocent pedestrians.

[Zizu]

Neither did the Tories tbf, and they had 14 years to get it right.


I don’t recall too many riots with Boris in control ( if any ? )


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[Vanessa]

I don’t recall too many riots with Boris in control ( if any ? )


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Exactly.

[Zizu]

It looks like people have had enough. Protests all over the country. I haven't seen this in a long time.


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[Cherie]

some poor mans shop was looted during the rioting in Southport last night, they should be so proud of this stand..not

[Cherie]

I don’t recall too many riots with Boris in control ( if any ? )


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Exactly.

er guys we were locked down for most of Bojos tenure then he had to leave in disgrace as he was holding parties behind the scenes while the normal folk couldnt even see their relatives in care homes or go to their funerals :skull:

and BLM were Marching every Saturday with associated disorder, plus Tommy Robinson was counter marching with associated disorder, plus Sarah Everhard was abducted and murdered by a serving police officer


I didn't vote Labour but what is happening currently was not actually their fault?

[Cherie]

I dont understand why people are targetting Mosques and Immigration Centres when the perp is an English born ....possible Christian/Aetheist

It seems people need to release their anger and this is how they are doing it?


who are they going to target if he turns out to be an Incel?

[Vanessa]

I dont understand why people are targetting Mosques and Immigration Centres when the perp is an English born ....possible Christian/Aetheist

It seems people need to release their anger and this is how they are doing it?



who are they going to target if he turns out to be an Incel?
So many incidents of knife crime lately. They can't be all incels. Something has gone seriously wrong.

[GoldHeart]

I dont understand why people are targetting Mosques and Immigration Centres when the perp is an English born ....possible Christian/Aetheist

It seems people need to release their anger and this is how they are doing it?


who are they going to target if he turns out to be an Incel?

So many incidents of knife crime lately. They can't be all incels. Something has gone seriously wrong.

The country is truly effed up ! :shocked:

[Ammi]

CCTV obtained by ITV News shows Southport stabbings suspect in the hour before attack…

ITV News has obtained CCTV footage of the Southport stabbing suspect walking down a residential street in the Banks area of Southport, hours before three children were killed and several other people were critically injured.

The footage was captured just after 11am on Monday morning and appears to show an individual wearing a face mask and a green hoodie, with the hood up.

The individual is seen with their head down with the CCTV time-stamped at 11.11am, walking calmly past a street of residential houses on Hoole Lane. He appears to glance into the window of a house before walking off camera.

Five minutes later, at 11.16am, the individual returns, hand in pocket. It's unclear where he went in those intervening minutes when he was out of vision.

Within walking distance of the images is a social club, where drama classes for children were due to take place later on Monday afternoon, ITV News understands.

A skatepark on Hesketh Avenue and a convenience store is also nearby.

The same masked individual was captured on camera again minutes later, on separate CCTV footage obtained by ITV News and released on Monday.

The individual appears to be wearing the same green hoodie.

That CCTV footage appears to show the suspect pacing agitatedly outside of a house near Old School Close that was later that afternoon raided by police.

The house is a 15 minute drive to Hart Street, where the attacks took place. Emergency services were called to the scene of the stabbing at 11.47am.

After walking back to Old School Close, it is believed the individual was picked up in a taxi and taken to Hart Street.

Two hours after the attacks, CCTV shows armed police arriving at the scene of the property on Old School Close.

Neighbours saw two adults taken out of the house and put into separate police cars where they were held for several hours.

ITV News understands they have been taken to a safe house.


https://www.itv.com/news/2024-07-31/cctv-shows-southport-stabbings-suspect-in-the-hour-before-attack


…CCTV videos in the article link…

[Oliver_W]

Those rioters are a net negative - not only are they disgusting human beings (like all rioters); they also damage their own argument. It makes anyone who speaks out against illegal immigration and uncapped migration look bad.

[Zizu]

er guys we were locked down for most of Bojos tenure then he had to leave in disgrace as he was holding parties behind the scenes while the normal folk couldnt even see their relatives in care homes or go to their funerals :skull:

and BLM were Marching every Saturday with associated disorder, plus Tommy Robinson was counter marching with associated disorder, plus Sarah Everhard was abducted and murdered by a serving police officer


I didn't vote Labour but what is happening currently was not actually their fault?


Well HE wasn’t holding illegal parties but let’s not worry about the truth ..


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[thesheriff443]

Those rioters are a net negative - not only are they disgusting human beings (like all rioters); they also damage their own argument. It makes anyone who speaks out against illegal immigration and uncapped migration look bad.

It’s not only the scum on the streets it’s the ignorant scum sat on social media cheering on the racist pigs and reposting lies and hate

[GoldHeart]

Those rioters are a net negative - not only are they disgusting human beings (like all rioters); they also damage their own argument. It makes anyone who speaks out against illegal immigration and uncapped migration look bad.

Now I'm seeing a dumb video from talk TV with the caption " why don't police say he's not Muslim,it will bring peace to the streets" , what a load of garbage & a really tone deaf remark of them to say ...as if the rioters care either way. They just want to riot and cause chaos no matter what. Plus this has clearly been bubbling away...and now they see this as their excuse to kick off.

There's reasonable arguments about the issues mentioned,but you're right....this mindless rioting just makes everyone look bad , I feel like we're in The purge movies!.

[Cherie]

Well HE wasn’t holding illegal parties but let’s not worry about the truth ..


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He allowed them to happen, same thing

[Vanessa]

Now I'm seeing a dumb video from talk TV with the caption " why don't police say he's not Muslim,it will bring peace to the streets" , what a load of garbage & a really tone deaf remark of them to say ...as if the rioters care either way. They just want to riot and cause chaos no matter what. Plus this has clearly been bubbling away...and now they see this as their excuse to kick off.

There's reasonable arguments about the issues mentioned,but you're right....this mindless rioting just makes everyone look bad , I feel like we're in The purge movies!.

The London protest was peaceful. Until police started to get heavy handed. Arresting and beating anyone.

[thesheriff443]

The London protest was peaceful. Until police started to get heavy handed. Arresting and beating anyone.

The police took the decision to break up the protest before it could escalate
Those that got man handled was for resisting arrest

[Vanessa]

The police took the decision to break up the protest before it could escalate
Those that got man handled was for resisting arrest

Even the 73 year old lady with the pacemaker?

[Vanessa]

Another stabbing in broad daylight. In East Grinstead. Three stabbings today only.
But the government insists we don't have a knife problem :shocked:

[thesheriff443]

Even the 73 year old lady with the pacemaker?

Just going to get milk was she how many big police officers did it take to beat her up?

[thesheriff443]

Another stabbing in broad daylight. In East Grinstead. Three stabbings today only.
But the government insists we don't have a knife problem :shocked:

All politicians are aware of the problem of knife crime

[Vanessa]

All politicians are aware of the problem of knife crime
But they're doing nothing about it. So we have to live with it. That's crazy.

[Zizu]

He allowed them to happen, same thing


How on earth could he have known ffs

From what I recall they found evidence of a low key after work buffet with a few sandwiches and wine in his own back gardens at number 10 .. to which he was invited

They had worked together all day . It wasn’t a huge , fancy affair like Kay Birley’s birthday bash

Hardly an offence punishable by death


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[Mystic Mock]

I didn't have a logic, you just said that "obviously, Britain First are the most dangerous" out of Labour and Britain First. So I gave you an example of Labour being dangerous and just asked you to give me an example of Britain First being more dangerous than the example I gave you.

If they have zero power, then they can't be that dangerous, can they?

They can incite violence against immigrants and other minority groups within Britain, of course that's dangerous.

I honestly can't believe that has to be pointed out.:laugh:

[Mystic Mock]

I don’t recall too many riots with Boris in control ( if any ? )


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Do you not remember the one in David Cameron's first term?

And you could argue that the 14 years under the Tories has slowly built up to this point that this country is currently at now, it makes more logical sense than the guy that's only been PM for 5 minutes.

[Zizu]

Do you not remember the one in David Cameron's first term?

And you could argue that the 14 years under the Tories has slowly built up to this point that this country is currently at now, it makes more logical sense than the guy that's only been PM for 5 minutes.


2005 ? That’s a generation ago !

You could argue that Boris had his finger on the pulse and would have seem all this unrest coming .. and acted

I’ve been expecting as much for years and I know nothing about government affairs


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[bots]

2011 there were a series of riots i think.

Riots are different these days because most of them are propagated by bots on social media

Anyway, i would rather talk about the 3 poor kids that lost their lives, and no amount of riots are going to change that or reduce the chances of it happening again

[Mystic Mock]

2005 ? That’s a generation ago !

You could argue that Boris had his finger on the pulse and would have seem all this unrest coming .. and acted

I’ve been expecting as much for years and I know nothing about government affairs


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It was the London Riots which was in 2011, I want to say that it was a full year into David Cameron's tenure, not a few weeks like Starmer.

[Zizu]

It was the London Riots which was in 2011, I want to say that it was a full year into David Cameron's tenure, not a few weeks like Starmer.


Still my point stands


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[Alf]

They can incite violence against immigrants and other minority groups within Britain, of course that's dangerous.

I honestly can't believe that has to be pointed out.:laugh:So that's the one you're going with then?

So which one is the most dangerous in your eyes. Invading a country, illegally and Killing over a million people or that Britain First can incite violence against immigrants and other minority groups?

[Mystic Mock]

So that's the one you're going with then?

So which one is the most dangerous in your eyes. Invading a country, illegally and Killing over a million people or that Britain First can incite violence against immigrants and other minority groups?

Well as I live in Britain, having a group trying to start up a civil war in my own country is the more concerning matter to me.

I have never agreed with what happened with Iraq, but I will think that a group trying to cause strife in the UK is the bigger issue from my perspective.

[Alf]

No more questions your honour.

[GoldHeart]

Still my point stands


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Remember the intuition fees protest which turned into a big riot, that was more around 2010 i think. Started peaceful... but as usual meat heads and idiots in general started looting and absolute carnage, people who had nothing to do with the protest itself ... they just wanted an excuse to go out and act like brainless yobs . It was the same time thicko's were posting pictures on social media of themselves with basmati rice that they'd stolen... like it was some type of cool flex . Ring any bells?.

[arista]

BBC News Text :
[The mother of a seven-year-old girl killed
in the Southport knife attack calling
for an end to violence after riots left
54 police officers were injured on Tuesday night.]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/2a06/live/c83c51b0-4f7c-11ef-aebc-6de4d31bf5cd.png.webp

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/9865/live/bf66f340-4f83-11ef-aebc-6de4d31bf5cd.png.webp

[Maru]

I am just catching up on this. Horrific and inexcusable no matter the motive. Evil gets bolder by the day.

[arista]

I am just catching up on this. Horrific and inexcusable no matter the motive. Evil gets bolder by the day.


Yes nice of Taylor Swift
to send a message.

It was a nice home in a normal northern town
being used for a Taylor Swift Dance class
for very young girls.

The One Door Not Locked to let air in,
as it was so hot.


Easy to enter and start killing

It is really Terrorism
but in the UK they suppress it
as it is in a Co-Muslim zone.

Something Labour Party, (Now in Power)
has a shocking history in doing this

[arista]

It was reported
one girl in hospital hanging on
put up her hands to stop this evil killer

He stabbed her hands,


Evil 17 year old young black.

[arista]

The Slow Police
have now Charged the Evil 17-year-old killer,
just after midnight


He will appear at Liverpool Magistrates Court
This Morning

[Ammi]

…the CCTV vid of him pacing in a driveway and in the area…it’s so chilling to watch because we obviously know what he was just about to do…

[arista]

…the CCTV vid of him pacing in a driveway and in the area…it’s so chilling to watch because we obviously know what he was just about to do…


Yes moments before.

[Ammi]

Yes moments before.

…there was also a skatepark close by and other venues for children’s activities so I wonder if it was ‘by chance’ that the dance workshop was chosen as opposed to one of some others or whether it was always going to be there, you know…?…

[arista]

The Evil Killer
now in Court

[Ammi]

Suspect arrives at court in huge police convoy
The teenager charged over the Southport stabbing attack has arrived at Liverpool City Magistrates' Court.
Two police cars and a police van were at the front of the escort, with the white van holding the 17-year-old turning into the back entrance of the court on arrival.
Our crime correspondent Martin Brunt is at the scene and says there were at least eight police vehicles as part of the convoy transporting the suspect.
"I think there were so many police here because there was an anticipation of perhaps an angry crowd," he says.
"Perhaps a repetition of those scenes we saw the other night in Southport. What I have to say, there was none of that.
"There were a few bystanders who suddenly cottoned on when they heard those sirens, saw those blue lights, realised perhaps what was about to happen. But there were no great drama."

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[arista]

Yes
the Evil killer held his Head Down in Court.

Now he is off to the Crown Court
in the next hour

[arista]

Good News
2 Children now released from Hospital.


5 Still there.

[Vanessa]

Good News
2 Children now released from Hospital.


5 Still there.
That is great news.

[Ammi]

Yes
the Evil killer held his Head Down in Court.

Now he is off to the Crown Court
in the next hour

Around 20 members of the press packed into court 3.6, a youth court, before District Judge James Hatton sitting at Liverpool Magistrates’ Court.

The defendant was brought into court at 10.21am, wearing a baggy grey tracksuit and black slippers. He looked at the row of reporters sat behind the glass dock and smiled before he was asked to sit down.

The boy was charged with the attempted murder of the two adults who remain in critical condition, Leanne Lucas and John Hayes, as well as the attempted murder of eight children who cannot be named for legal reasons. He is also accused of possessing a kitchen knife with a curved blade.

The 17-year-old used his left hand to pull his sweatshirt over his face above his nose and kept his head low during the five-minute hearing, in which he did not speak. The hearing dealt largely with administrative legal matters ahead of his appearance before another judge at Liverpool Crown Court on Thursday.


…I read that his family neighbours have said that he was/appeared to be an introverted child who didn’t leave the family home very much…/…it does bring thoughts that he may have committed this heinous act for a notoriety is a thought….

[Ammi]

Good News
2 Children now released from Hospital.


5 Still there.

…:love:…wonderful….

[Livia]

Good News
2 Children now released from Hospital.


5 Still there.

At last! Some good news... Hope the rest of them are out soon.

[Vanessa]

Love this guy. He talks a lot of sense. https://x.com/ROI_IRELAND/status/1818735288719401001?t=sh4cOkozKTWwwEG7_h5ong&s=19

[Ninastar]

BBC News Text :
[The mother of a seven-year-old girl killed
in the Southport knife attack calling
for an end to violence after riots left
54 police officers were injured on Tuesday night.]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/2a06/live/c83c51b0-4f7c-11ef-aebc-6de4d31bf5cd.png.webp

“Stab girls mum”

What the ****

[Cherie]

Great news about the two little girls being released, it is only the start for them they will need alot of help to get over what happened to them

[Cherie]

“Stab girls mum”

What the ****

yeah what a way to dial down the tension, what a disgrace the media is at times

[Zizu]

Great news about the two little girls being released, it is only the start for them they will need alot of help to get over what happened to them


Its so sad to think of how the atrocities will effect each and every child and adult caught up in the horrors the other day

Even the ones physical unharmed will carry memories we can never imagine


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[bots]

He has been named!

Axel Rudakubana

[arista]

Axel Rudakubana

The name of the Evil Killer

[arista]

Snap

[bots]

Snap

you have to be quick on your feet

[arista]

you have to be quick on your feet


Yes getting the correct Spelling

[Ninastar]

I wonder if he was radicalised online or something. Another Incel?

[Liam-]

Racist thugs using the tragic murders of children as an excuse to go out and terrify neighbourhoods and assault people and places of worship for their skin colour and their religion, all stirred up by the likes of Tommy coke head and the Reform racists, its obscene

[Glenn.]

Racist thugs using the tragic murders of children as an excuse to go out and terrify neighbourhoods and assault people and places of worship for their skin colour and their religion, all stirred up by the likes of Tommy coke head and the Reform racists, its obscene

****ing appalling

[Ninastar]

People have always used riots and looting for an excuse to cause civil unrest. Nothing new there. It happened with the London riots and it happened with BLM riots. People are always looking for a reason to rebel against what they believe is ‘just’

[bots]

I want to know why he did it. What drove him to murder innocent little girls

[Livia]

He's 18 in six days. At which time I hope he's removed from Young Offenders and put into general population.

[Livia]

Chilling that it's reported he smiled at the press gallery before covering his face.

[Alf]

So my post you just deleted was just mirroring Liams post. Post 675 in this thread. Where he calls Reform voters "racists"

I just called, Labour voters and Green Party voters "fascist/commies" just to mirror his post.

You deleted my post and left his up.

Looks like Parm has a fair point against you mods, doesn't it?

[Vanessa]

Chilling that it's reported he smiled at the press gallery before covering his face.

Could be someone who has been radicalised online? If he's introverted and doesn't go out much?

[Cherie]

People have always used riots and looting for an excuse to cause civil unrest. Nothing new there. It happened with the London riots and it happened with BLM riots. People are always looking for a reason to rebel against what they believe is ‘just’

Indeed

[UserSince2005]

excution is the only solution for this rat

[Zizu]

excution is the only solution for this rat


In some countries he wouldn’t have made it to the next day


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[Zizu]

Chilling that it's reported he smiled at the press gallery before covering his face.


That maybe ‘invented’


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[Livia]

We couldn't execute him or even treat him harshly. Already there are people who are working for his welfare.

[Livia]

That maybe ‘invented’


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Maybe, but it was reported by a journalist who was in court.

[Zizu]

Racist thugs using the tragic murders of children as an excuse to go out and terrify neighbourhoods and assault people and places of worship for their skin colour and their religion, all stirred up by the likes of Tommy coke head and the Reform racists, its obscene


More obscene than the current wave of knife or machete attacks ?


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[Vanessa]

More obscene than the current wave of knife or machete attacks ?


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:clap1:

[Vanessa]

https://********************/status/1818975832561369575?t=JxIpvbBsPB0B5KYA0FZUNg&s=19
More about the killer. And I was right about the link to the Rwanda genocide.
We have all these murderers living in luxury here in the UK. Wow

[GoldHeart]

https://********************/status/1818975832561369575?t=JxIpvbBsPB0B5KYA0FZUNg&s=19
More about the killer. And I was right about the link to the Rwanda genocide.
We have all these murderers living in luxury here in the UK. Wow

Not the first time he's carried a knife then !. I knew this was a deliberate terror attack.

[Vanessa]

Not the first time he's carried a knife then !. I knew this was a deliberate terror attack.
Hes a terrorist and shouldn't even be here. Why are they housing known terrorists?

[Zizu]

Not the first time he's carried a knife then !. I knew this was a deliberate terror attack.


Plus it could so easily have been avoided..

Kids carrying knives like he did should be immersed held in a young offender’s institution - to minimise the risk to others if nothing else


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[Vanessa]

Plus it could so easily have been avoided..

Kids carrying knives like he did should be immersed held in a young offender’s institution - to minimise the risk to others if nothing else


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People who want to carry on mass murder. Seen them back.

[Zizu]

Hes a terrorist and shouldn't even be here. Why are they housing known terrorists?


I heard that we are housing countless Eastern European gang bosses and high ranking gang members in Gtr Manchester estates . Imagine how dangerous / violent they will be if you bumped into them in Tesco car park one day


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[Vanessa]

I heard that we are housing countless Eastern European gang bosses and high ranking gang members in Gtr Manchester estates . Imagine how dangerous / violent they will be if you bumped into them in Tesco car park

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One of the reasons I don't go up north much.

[GoldHeart]

Plus it could so easily have been avoided..

Kids carrying knives like he did should be immersed held in a young offender’s institution - to minimise the risk to others if nothing else


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That makes it even worse that it possibly could have been avoided, I mean the fact he was already carrying a knife when he was younger....speaks volumes.

I'm reminded of when we hear about these terrorists being on ' watch lists ' , yet it's supposedly still a ' shock ' when they go and blow up hundreds of people :bored:. Surely before it even gets to that stage...they could avoid all those murders ! .

[Zizu]

That makes it even worse that it possibly could have been avoided, I mean the fact he was already carrying a knife when he was younger....speaks volumes.

I'm reminded of when we hear about these terrorists being on ' watch lists ' , yet it's supposedly still a ' shock ' when they go and blow up hundreds of people :bored:. Surely before it even gets to that stage...they could avoid all those murders ! .


Yes its pure madness and yet it happens time and time again

Our whole fecking system needs a complete overhaul


Sadly I fear its all too late

I will give it a few months then maybe look to find a safer place to live


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[Vanessa]

I was right about the link with the Rwanda genocide.
It's all connected. I knew it.

[Vanessa]

https://x.com/Whispers2k4/status/1818984115535851959?t=RNKXo8IleIS-POhid_Mg2g&s=19
This explains a lot about these people. Their mindset.

[Ammi]

…so if he’s 18yrs soon…/…before the trial…I presume that he’ll be tried as an adult …

[GoldHeart]

…so if he’s 18yrs soon…/…before the trial…I presume that he’ll be tried as an adult …

This is probably a controversial opinion, but I believe whoever commits grim horrific crimes/ murders like this... should be trialed as an adult, obviously they can't go in a adult prison....but the law should stop going easy on them. If they can go out and kill & attack people,then they should face consequences.

[Ammi]

This is probably a controversial opinion, but I believe whoever commits grim horrific crimes/ murders like this... should be trialed as an adult, obviously they can't go in a adult prison....but the law should stop going easy on them. If they can go out and kill & attack people,then they should face consequences.

…well, I think that it’s probably less and less controversial of an opinion as time goes by and more and more violent crimes are committed by under 18yr olds…the law is a beast that’s always very slow to change though, isn’t it…

[MTVN]

I was right about the link with the Rwanda genocide.
It's all connected. I knew it.

No you weren't

The contents of that tweet are totally different to the claim you shared the other day. And that tweet is one unverified anecdote being shared by the leader of Britain First which is a racist political party known for spreading hate and disinformation

[bots]

…so if he’s 18yrs soon…/…before the trial…I presume that he’ll be tried as an adult …

i very much doubt it. He committed the crime as a "child". It wouldn't surprise me if he timed his attack exactly for this reason

[Ammi]

i very much doubt it. He committed the crime as a "child". It wouldn't surprise me if he timed his attack exactly for this reason

…but then, why release his name/identity now before the trial when it was said that, that wouldn’t happen…/…I’m confused…

[bots]

…but then, why release his name/identity now before the trial when it was said that, that wouldn’t happen…/…I’m confused…

he will be an adult in a few days time, when age restrictions on naming disappear. However, the date and his age remain set in stone when he committed the crime. If they tried him as an adult, someone would appeal it later and get the case thrown out and he would walk away free

[Ammi]

he will be an adult in a few days time, when age restrictions on naming disappear. However, the date and his age remain set in stone when he committed the crime. If they tried him as an adult, someone would appeal it later and get the case thrown out and he would walk away free

…so the ‘loophole’ that was previously stated could be used before it went to trial…was used, then…

[bots]

…so the ‘loophole’ that was previously stated could be used before it went to trial…was used, then…

It's at the discretion of the judge. If he deemed it was in the public interest to allow him to be named then that's how it goes. However, he cannot say, well he was nearly an adult when he committed a crime because the law states you are tried as a child up until you are 18. This changes the maximum sentence that can be applied. I am sure thats why the guy committed the murders when he did

[Ammi]

It's at the discretion of the judge. If he deemed it was in the public interest to allow him to be named then that's how it goes. However, he cannot say, well he was nearly an adult when he committed a crime because the law states you are tried as a child up until you are 18. This changes the maximum sentence that can be applied. I am sure thats why the guy committed the murders when he did

….jeez, that’s chilling as to how thought out that part would be as well…and no thought of taking his own life etc…he would have anticipated a trial and sentencing…

[Ammi]

Why Southport murder suspect Axel Rudakubana has now been named…


The 17-year-old suspect at the centre of the Southport mass stabbing has been named by the media, despite his age usually granting him protection.

On Thursday, Axel Rudakubana appeared in Liverpool Crown Court after being charged with the murder on Monday of Alice Dasilva Aguiar, nine, Bebe King, six, and Elsie Dot Stancombe, seven, in Southport.

He is also charged with the attempted murder of yoga class instructor Leanne Lucas and businessman John Hayes and eight children, who cannot be named for legal reasons, as well as with possession of a kitchen knife with a curved blade.

Reporting restrictions under Section 45 of the Youth Justice and Criminal Evidence Act 1999 had previously prevented him being identified.

However, after hearing an application from the prosecution, supported by the defence and media companies, a judge said he would not impose the order, which is usually used to give anonymity to those aged younger than 18 in the criminal courts.

Judge Andrew Menary said: “Continuing to prevent the full reporting has the disadvantage of allowing others to spread misinformation, in a vacuum. Whilst I accept it is exceptional, given his age, principally because he is 18 in six days’ time, I do not make an order under section 45.

Rudakubana's identity had previously been the source of false rumours that had spread on social media, with some incorrectly identifying him as an asylum seeker who had arrived in the UK last year. The rumour is believed to have been used by members of the far-right to spark unrest in Southport on Tuesday night.

What is section 45?

In terms of criminal law, when youths appear in court, they are often granted anonymity in a range of settings to protect them.

There is an automatic ban on the identification of children in youth court proceedings, and if a youth appears in the crown court the judge can impose reporting restrictions ensuring their anonymity under Section 45 of the Youth Justice and Criminal Evidence Act 1999.

Up until the point of the Section 45 order being implemented legally, they can be named, says journalist and media law expert David Banks.

This is because Section 44 of the Youth Justice and Criminal Evidence Act 1999 – which gives anonymity from the moment a criminal investigation begins – hasn't yet been activated, says Banks, creating a "loophole" that could be used, but often isn't.

"Successive governments haven't activated Section 44, which would make everything a whole lot simpler. Then you would never have any question over this issue."

In the Southport case due to the fact Rudakubana will turn 18 next week the judge decided not to implement Section 45 because of the overwhelming media interest.

He would have lost his entitlement to anonymity when he turned 18.

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/southport-stabbing-suspect-name-151023900.html

[Zizu]

TalkSport just confirmed that when he sat down in the courtroom he glanced across at the reporters and gave them a huge , beaming smile !!

I hope they take that into account when they are sentencing ..


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[arista]

In 6 Days the Evil killer
becomes aged 18

[GiRTh]

Why are we using this image of him in school uniform. Yes he was once a child but now he kills children. Is this to gain sympathy for him? The image has just been on the BBC news. If there are no other then we dont use an image but I'm quite sickened by the photo of him in a school uniform/.

[Vanessa]

Why are we using this image of him in school uniform. Yes he was once a child but now he kills children. Is this to gain sympathy for him? The image has just been on the BBC news. If there are no other then we dont use an image but I'm quite sickened by the photo of him in a school uniform/.
They want us to feel sorry for him. Fat chance!

[bots]

Why are we using this image of him in school uniform. Yes he was once a child but now he kills children. Is this to gain sympathy for him? The image has just been on the BBC news. If there are no other then we dont use an image but I'm quite sickened by the photo of him in a school uniform/.

it's obviously some sort of agenda

[GiRTh]

it's obviously some sort of agendaI dont know but an image of him as a 10 year old is not reflective of him right now.

[bots]

I dont know but an image of him as a 10 year old is not reflective of him right now.

making him look like an innocent little boy rather than a stone cold heinous killer is a choice someone has made

[arista]

Why are we using this image of him in school uniform. Yes he was once a child but now he kills children. Is this to gain sympathy for him? The image has just been on the BBC news. If there are no other then we dont use an image but I'm quite sickened by the photo of him in a school uniform/.


Yes that is all the BBC had of him


In 6 Days the Evil Killer becomes 18

[GiRTh]

They want us to feel sorry for him. Fat chance!Probably

[arista]

making him look like an innocent little boy rather than a stone cold heinous killer is a choice someone has made


Yes it is an Error at BBC news
on BBC1HD.


Maybe to show he is black?
Or Something.

[GoldHeart]

I dont know but an image of him as a 10 year old is not reflective of him right now.

And even from then he wasn't as innocent as it appeared, if he was carrying a knife to school.

[GoldHeart]

They want us to feel sorry for him. Fat chance!

Exactly

Bizarre decision on their part.

[Liam-]

The media does this all the time, they did it the other week with the guy who killed those 3 women, they chose a picture of him suited and booted, like something you’d see on Facebook, it’s what they do, it’s not exclusive to black boys that murder children don’t worry guys

[Liam-]

Lmao the guy that got arrested with a knife at the Southport riots turned out not to be a Muslim at all, but one of the many thugs that turned up just to cause trouble :skull:

[Vanessa]

Lmao the guy that got arrested with a knife at the Southport riots turned out not to be a Muslim at all, but one of the many thugs that turned up just to cause trouble :skull:

He still had a knife and god knows what could have happened. It was a vigil. They have no respect.

[Cherie]

The media does this all the time, they did it the other week with the guy who killed those 3 women, they chose a picture of him suited and booted, like something you’d see on Facebook, it’s what they do, it’s not exclusive to black boys that murder children don’t worry guys

er they showed him as an adult, what he was wearing was neither here not there, they are showing pics of a 10 year old kid, he obviously looks very different now

[Ninastar]

Why are we using this image of him in school uniform. Yes he was once a child but now he kills children. Is this to gain sympathy for him? The image has just been on the BBC news. If there are no other then we dont use an image but I'm quite sickened by the photo of him in a school uniform/.

To show he is British probs

[Ammi]

To show he is British probs

…actually I hadn’t thought of that and that’s worth some thought as it could be the way…to quash any further ‘immigrant’ speculation …

[GoldHeart]

To show he is British probs

Either that or they're trying to go down the route of ' how did a little school boy turn into this.....what went wrong ' basically narrative.

[arista]

That Photo of the Killer
is the only one
because it came from the school he went to.

Not the Parents

[MTVN]

Either that or they're trying to go down the route of ' how did a little school boy turn into this.....what went wrong ' basically narrative.

Well that's a valid question isn't it?

It's probably the only picture the media have managed to get access to

[Alf]

Those far-right lads that vicously and violently assaulted the coppers at Manchester airport last week are out on the streets and not in prison right now.

Remember, "don't have nightmares, do sleep well"

[GoldHeart]

Well that's a valid question isn't it?

It's probably the only picture the media have managed to get access to

Yeah that might be the case ,as when he went on his killing spree... didn't he have a mask covering his face ?.

[Oliver_W]

Those far-right lads that vicously and violently assaulted the coppers at Manchester airport last week are out on the streets and not in prison right now.

Remember, "don't have nightmares, do sleep well"

Probably on bail tbh.

[arista]

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[Vanessa]

Saw this. Not confirmed of course.
But imagine if it's true. Starmer will need to resign immediately.
It will come out during the trial if it's true or not. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240801/814c9a015d4d746fb871517dedddf678.jpg

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[Zizu]

Saw this. Not confirmed of course.
But imagine if it's true. Starmer will need to resign immediately.
It will come out during the trial if it's true or not. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240801/814c9a015d4d746fb871517dedddf678.jpg

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It looks rather persuasive .. and to be true


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[Benjamin]

It looks rather persuasive .. and to be true


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It’s a WhatsApp message. How on bloody earth can you say it looks to be true. :laugh:

[Alf]

Saw this. Not confirmed of course.
But imagine if it's true. Starmer will need to resign immediately.
It will come out during the trial if it's true or not. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240801/814c9a015d4d746fb871517dedddf678.jpg

Sent from my 23028RN4DG using TapatalkWho knows? But by the actions we've seen in trying to cover up. I can certainly believe it to be true. Let's wait and see.

[Vanessa]

He was a recent convert to islam. That's my take on it. Radicalised in his local mosque.

[Alf]

It’s a WhatsApp message. How on bloody earth can you say it looks to be true. :laugh:Probably gonna get more honesty in a WhatsApp post than in a public post. I can't say half the things I want in public than I can in WhatsApp. My freedom is censored in public.

[Benjamin]

He was a recent convert to islam. That's my take on it. Radicalised in his local mosque.

Was he? Have we evidence of this? Or are you speculating?

[Benjamin]

Probagonna get more honesty in a WhatsApp post than in a public post. I can't say half the things I want in public than I can in WhatsApp. My freedom is censored in public.

Not saying it isn’t true, but it seems like so many other things that have been said some people take it as fact. Which is what led to half the issues after the event in the first place.

[Alf]

Not saying it isn’t true, but it seems like so many other things that have been said some people take it as fact. Which is what led to half the issues after the event in the first place.It also means you just don't have to outright dismiss it.

I'm sure there will be people out there investigating it. Like I said to Nessa, let's wait and see.

[Benjamin]

It also means you just don't have to outright dismiss it.

I'm sure there will be people out there investigating it. Like I said to Nessa, let's wait and see.

Of course, they’re could be truth in it. It’s just a shame some people see things and just accept it to be true (with no actual evidence), and then spread it further.

[bots]

I prefer to go with more standard news sources that can back up what they say with real evidence

[Vanessa]

Not saying it isn’t true, but it seems like so many other things that have been said some people take it as fact. Which is what led to half the issues after the event in the first place.

That's why I said not confirmed.
I never said it as a fact.
We will know more during the trial.

[Benjamin]

That's why I said not confirmed.
I never said it as a fact.
We will know more during the trial.

I wasn’t aiming that reply at you. I was talking generally (aimed at no individual).