Southport: 17year old Arrested Terrorist with Knife Killed 3 Children, Wounded many

[Benjamin]

The crowdfund for the families is now at £346,918. :love:

[arista]

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[Redway]

He was a recent convert to islam. That's my take on it. Radicalised in his local mosque.

Cobblers.

[Zizu]

It’s a WhatsApp message. How on bloody earth can you say it looks to be true. :laugh:


Its an opinion

We are still allowed those I would hope


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[Zizu]

Of course, they’re could be truth in it. It’s just a shame some people see things and just accept it to be true (with no actual evidence), and then spread it further.


What on earth are you babbling on about now ?

Nobody has said its true .. just that it may be trie or looks genuine


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[Redway]

Where’s this idea that only Muslims carry knives even coming from in the first place, still? What’s that all-about?

[Zizu]

Where’s this idea that only Muslims carry knives even coming from in the first place, still? What’s that all-about?


Who has suggested that ?


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[Alf]

Where’s this idea that only Muslims carry knives even coming from in the first place, still? What’s that all-about?Who said that? Show me them and I will put them right for you.

[GoldHeart]

Where’s this idea that only Muslims carry knives even coming from in the first place, still? What’s that all-about?

Literally nobody said this :notimpressed: .....you're just going on a tangent now .

[Benjamin]

What on earth are you babbling on about now ?

Nobody has said its true .. just that it may be trie or looks genuine


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Firstly, no need to be a complete toss pot. Maybe try having some manners.

Secondly, my reply to Alf wasn’t referencing you or any individual on here (as I mentioned) so maybe have a read on.

[Benjamin]

Where’s this idea that only Muslims carry knives even coming from in the first place, still? What’s that all-about?

Where’s that come from? Here or somewhere else (I ask as I can’t say I’ve seen anyone here say that).

[Redway]

Literally nobody said this :notimpressed: .....you're just going on a tangent now .

You’ve literally got people like Vanessa making out like the guy’s a newly-radicalised Islamist on the supposition of nothing tangible. Suddenly religion matters when the guy’s not white.

[GoldHeart]

You’ve literally got people like Vanessa making out like the guy’s a newly-radicalised Islamist on the supposition of nothing tangible. Suddenly religion matters when the guy’s not white.

I think like a few of us Vanessa is wondering whether he was radicalized, which by looks of it .. seems to hold quite a bit of weight to it . Nobody said only 1 group of people carry a knife, so that's a baseless accusation you just made.

When someone commits an act of terror( as this is lets not sugar coat it)... thoughts go to extremists, incel , psychopath etc etc. And when the viticms are especially little children... it makes the whole thing more disturbed and horrific.

People are trying to figure out why , but it seems you're not allowed to ask questions or have debates these days without being labelled a "phobe" or
" ist " of some kind.

[Redway]

I think like a few of us Vanessa is wondering whether he was radicalized, which by looks of it .. seems to hold quite a bit of weight to it . Nobody said only 1 group of people carry a knife, so that's a baseless accusation you just made.

When someone commits an act of terror( as this is lets not sugar coat it)... thoughts go to extremists, incel , psychopath etc etc. And when the viticms are especially little children... it makes the whole thing more disturbed and horrific.

People are trying to figure out why , but it seems you're not allowed to ask questions or have debates these days without being labelled a "phobe" or
" ist " of some kind.

Anyone who thinks I made an accusation against Nessy (who I actually like and respect outside of these matters) needs to grow thicker skin. That’s just first.

Why isn’t it called an act of terror when white men with guns go shooting up schools in the States? Why has LT’s reverse-ironic colour-chart of ‘terrorism’ vs. ‘mental health problems’ gone unchecked and this thread allowed to be his patent little victory-lap of condemning people based on nothing but the colour of their skin?
So many questions that none of these people (including the moderating powers who be) seem prepared to answer just now.

Tell me if this question of him potentially being a radicalised Muslim extremist would even be a thing if the dude was white. And don’t go telling porky cobblers on me now. Let’s just get it straight.

[GoldHeart]

Anyone who thinks I made an accusation against Nessy (who I actually like and respect outside of these matters) needs to grow thicker skin. That’s just first.

Why isn’t it called an act of terror when white men with guns go shooting up schools in the States? Why has LT’s reverse-ironic colour-chart of ‘terrorism’ vs. ‘mental health problems’ gone unchecked and this thread allowed to be his patent little victory-lap of condemning people based on nothing but the colour of their skin?
So many questions that none of these people (including the moderating powers who be) seem prepared to answer just now.

Tell me if this question of him potentially being a radicalised Muslim extremist would even be a thing if the dude was white. And don’t go telling porky cobblers on me now. Let’s just get it straight.

Well you could also argue ... why is 'mental health' automatically getting used as a reason for someone going on a killing spree?, i mean clearly yes they're mentally unstable... but it isn't always the sole reason for the motivation of their crimes.

school shooters ARE an act of terror.... but they usually get the 'incel' label aswell like i mentioned to you before , the sad reality of that is it's become so common in America.... that school kids have to do 'shooting drill practices ' so that they know what to do in that crisis. I can't imagine what that must feel like to a poor child just wanting to learn and interact with their friends at school.

The way i see it anyone who goes out on a pre mediated murder/attack to go shooting or bombing , or stabbing etc is a terrorist, and no skin colour or religious background will change that for me. Even random acts of violence is still a form of terrorism... but to actually plot and get weapons etc that solidifies it more.

The attempted assassination of Trump was an act of terror .

Another example the Jo cox killer was a terrorist, you could argue his race was brought up as it was a white far right gun nut ... because we all know his motives were political aswell as him being a complete lunatic.

Whether you like it or not race , religion , culture & politics play a part in it all.

Your strange notion of us treating it differently if the killer was white isn't true and is kind of insulting , i can't speak for everyone of course as we all have our different opinions.

But you do realise there's white muslims right ?. And white people get radicalized aswell from allsorts of extreme stuff out there . An now with social media... there's all types of horror out there being drip fed to impressionable people, and people full of hate.

Look at that young guy in America a while ago who posted videos online who was a hardcore incel, he went on a murder rampage just because he couldn't get a girlfriend. we're living in extremely scary times unsafe times.

[Redway]

Well you could also argue ... why is 'mental health' automatically getting used as a reason for someone going on a killing spree?, i mean clearly yes they're mentally unstable... but it isn't always the sole reason for the motivation of their crimes.

school shooters ARE an act of terror.... but they usually get the 'incel' label aswell like i mentioned to you before , the sad reality of that is it's become so common in America.... that school kids have to do 'shooting drill practices ' so that they know what to do in that crisis. I can't imagine what that must feel like to a poor child just wanting to learn and interact with their friends at school.

The way i see it anyone who goes out on a pre mediated murder/attack to go shooting or bombing , or stabbing etc is a terrorist, and no skin colour or religious background will change that for me. Even random acts of violence is still a form of terrorism... but to actually plot and get weapons etc that solidifies it more.

The attempted assassination of Trump was an act of terror .

Another example the Jo cox killer was a terrorist, you could argue his race was brought up as it was a white far right gun nut ... because we all know his motives were political aswell as him being a complete lunatic.

Whether you like it or not race , religion , culture & politics play a part in it all.

Your strange notion of us treating it differently if the killer was white isn't true and is kind of insulting , i can't speak for everyone of course as we all have our different opinions.

But you do realise there's white muslims right ?. And white people get radicalized aswell from allsorts of extreme stuff out there . An now with social media... there's all types of horror out there being drip fed to impressionable people, and people full of hate.

Look at that young guy in America a while ago who posted videos online who was a hardcore incel, he went on a murder rampage just because he couldn't get a girlfriend. we're living in extremely scary times unsafe times.

It … blatantly, blatantly is true, though. If it’s not true in your individual case then so be it but that’s the extent of that. Beyond that you shut up and let other people’s actions speak for themselves.

I honestly thought you were different, GH. I know you ain’t gonna be crying into your pillow tonight just because of what some stranger on an Internet-forum has said but I’m disappointed in you. I mean, for God’s sake, LT really even went there with the Kool-Aid reference (blatant racism) and you’re still defending him? Where’s the motive for that coming from and in what universe is that even remotely defensible?

Also. You’ve said it yourself. White men get the ‘mentally unbalanced incel’ label. Terrorism it might be in technicality in a way that squares with your understanding of the terminology when it’s used in an equitable way but that’s not how most people refer to white males who commit acts of mass-violence (least of all LT) and you must know that. And like I said, man even went there with the Kool-Aid reference. That’s just totally below the belt.

[GoldHeart]

It … blatantly, blatantly is true, though. If it’s not true in your individual case then so be it but that’s the extent of that. Beyond that you shut up and let other people’s actions speak for themselves.

I honestly thought you were different, GH. I know you ain’t gonna be crying into your pillow tonight just because of what some stranger on an Internet-forum has said but I’m disappointed in you. I mean, for God’s sake, LT really even went there with the Kool-Aid reference (blatant racism) and you’re still defending him? Where’s the motive for that coming from and in what universe is that even remotely defensible?

Also. You’ve said it yourself. White men get the ‘mentally unbalanced incel’ label. Terrorism it might be in technicality in a way that squares with your understanding of the terminology when it’s used in an equitable way but that’s not how most people refer to white males who commit acts of mass-violence (least of all LT) and you must know that. And like I said, man even went there with the Kool-Aid reference. That’s just totally below the belt.

I beg your pardon ...wow

Of course it's not true in my individual case ,and just remember we all have our own minds and thoughts on here. I'm not responsible for what LT says or does .....if you have issue with what he did then you tell him.

How did we go from us saying all races and backgrounds can carry a knife ,to it suddenly being about LT & you being disappointed in me ?.... Like are you being serious right now?, are we in some surreal therapy class or something, do you want me to tell LT off for you ? ....I wasn't even involved in that conversation.

This is exactly why people get fed up of serious debates , and I'm talking of people who give genuine opinions and not the trolling baity stuff. People have genuine concerns and worries about what's happening out there,and you're turning it into the LT show.

And no I won't be crying in my pillow tonight...you have that right,as there's more important issues going on ...than me worrying over what you think of me .

" You thought I was different" ? , no idea what this means, can only be a dig I guess at the fact I'm not doing and saying exactly what you want, do you want me to fight your battles when LT says something you don't like?.

There is something called the ' ignore' button. And you don't know me Redway and you likely never will know me or where I've come from or what I've gone through. No doubt you assume I'm white as well which is hilarious .

So what if there's specific proof that a white terrorist shooter is a big member of a toxic incel community, which has happened...I even gave you example of that degenerate who posted boo hoo bitter videos. Or what about if a known terrorist / extremist is on the FBI watch list due to various crimes who so happens to be Asian .

It doesn't mean every Asian person is a threat

And it doesn't mean every white guy is dangerous

Not everything people bring up is rooted in racism or xenophobia, people have genuine fears like I said.

Yes there's ignorance out there ,but not everyone is coming from a bad place in their heart.

I'm probably wasting my time even trying to explain to you anyway.

[Vanessa]

When something awful like this happens they automatically say it's because of mental health. That makes me suspicious. Because it's definitely more than that.

[Zizu]

Well you could also argue ... why is 'mental health' automatically getting used as a reason for someone going on a killing spree?, i mean clearly yes they're mentally unstable... but it isn't always the sole reason for the motivation of their crimes.

school shooters ARE an act of terror.... but they usually get the 'incel' label aswell like i mentioned to you before , the sad reality of that is it's become so common in America.... that school kids have to do 'shooting drill practices ' so that they know what to do in that crisis. I can't imagine what that must feel like to a poor child just wanting to learn and interact with their friends at school.

The way i see it anyone who goes out on a pre mediated murder/attack to go shooting or bombing , or stabbing etc is a terrorist, and no skin colour or religious background will change that for me. Even random acts of violence is still a form of terrorism... but to actually plot and get weapons etc that solidifies it more.

The attempted assassination of Trump was an act of terror .

Another example the Jo cox killer was a terrorist, you could argue his race was brought up as it was a white far right gun nut ... because we all know his motives were political aswell as him being a complete lunatic.

Whether you like it or not race , religion , culture & politics play a part in it all.

Your strange notion of us treating it differently if the killer was white isn't true and is kind of insulting , i can't speak for everyone of course as we all have our different opinions.

But you do realise there's white muslims right ?. And white people get radicalized aswell from allsorts of extreme stuff out there . An now with social media... there's all types of horror out there being drip fed to impressionable people, and people full of hate.

Look at that young guy in America a while ago who posted videos online who was a hardcore incel, he went on a murder rampage just because he couldn't get a girlfriend. we're living in extremely scary times unsafe times.


We have fairly regular ‘lockdown’ rehearsals in schools across the country !

Just in case there’s a terror attack or crazed attacker in the school.

There’s a special alarm/alert then everyone is locked in a classroom all windows/doors covered so nobody can see into the classroom … pupils are instructed to stay away from the doors and ideally under desks ( in case bullets are fired ) but we don’t tell the pupils that part .

Many younger pupils are freaked out even though they’re told its a practice ..


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[Vanessa]

https://x.com/BenjaminDeRebel/status/1819141334621430128?t=dBH6SPIW1szQw7o84zWyyA&s=19
:suspect:

[Cherie]

I beg your pardon ...wow

Of course it's not true in my individual case ,and just remember we all have our own minds and thoughts on here. I'm not responsible for what LT says or does .....if you have issue with what he did then you tell him.

How did we go from us saying all races and backgrounds can carry a knife ,to it suddenly being about LT & you being disappointed in me ?.... Like are you being serious right now?, are we in some surreal therapy class or something, do you want me to tell LT off for you ? ....I wasn't even involved in that conversation.

This is exactly why people get fed up of serious debates , and I'm talking of people who give genuine opinions and not the trolling baity stuff. People have genuine concerns and worries about what's happening out there,and you're turning it into the LT show.

And no I won't be crying in my pillow tonight...you have that right,as there's more important issues going on ...than me worrying over what you think of me .

" You thought I was different" ? , no idea what this means, can only be a dig I guess at the fact I'm not doing and saying exactly what you want, do you want me to fight your battles when LT says something you don't like?.

There is something called the ' ignore' button. And you don't know me Redway and you likely never will know me or where I've come from or what I've gone through. No doubt you assume I'm white as well which is hilarious .

So what if there's specific proof that a white terrorist shooter is a big member of a toxic incel community, which has happened...I even gave you example of that degenerate who posted boo hoo bitter videos. Or what about if a known terrorist / extremist is on the FBI watch list due to various crimes who so happens to be Asian .

It doesn't mean every Asian person is a threat

And it doesn't mean every white guy is dangerous

Not everything people bring up is rooted in racism or xenophobia, people have genuine fears like I said.

Yes there's ignorance out there ,but not everyone is coming from a bad place in their heart.

I'm probably wasting my time even trying to explain to you anyway.

What a great post Goldie, well done for putting that in such a succint and non baity way :clap1:

[Livia]

You’ve literally got people like Vanessa making out like the guy’s a newly-radicalised Islamist on the supposition of nothing tangible. Suddenly religion matters when the guy’s not white.

Vanessa said radicalisation was possible. People are scrabbling for answers after such an horrific crime. As for the Muslim thing, they've shown themselves to be a religion of violence again and again, all over the world.

[Vanessa]

Vanessa said radicalisation was possible. People are scrabbling for answers after such an horrific crime. As for the Muslim thing, they've shown themselves to be a religion of violence again and again, all over the world.
Yes I do think he was radicalized at some point.
Radical muslims take advantage of vulnerable people.
They did say he was autistic and introverted?

[Benjamin]

Vanessa said radicalisation was possible. People are scrabbling for answers after such an horrific crime. As for the Muslim thing, they've shown themselves to be a religion of violence again and again, all over the world.

That’s pretty much most religions to be fair.

[Livia]

That’s pretty much most religions to be fair.

Currently, in the world, Islam is a threat. Look at the FBI's most wanted terrorists. The Hindus and Catholics don't get a look in.

[Ninastar]

I agree that most religions have their ****ed up views… but some religions are way less tolerant than others. And when you kill people in the name of your religion that’s just barbaric

[Glenn.]

There’s no place in modern society for religion.

[Liam-]

There are nutters of all religions that twist the teachings of their god to fit there in built hatred for others and use it to justify their hate and violence, most genocides, but current and historical were perpetrated in the name of religion

[Redway]

I beg your pardon ...wow

Of course it's not true in my individual case ,and just remember we all have our own minds and thoughts on here. I'm not responsible for what LT says or does .....if you have issue with what he did then you tell him.

How did we go from us saying all races and backgrounds can carry a knife ,to it suddenly being about LT & you being disappointed in me ?.... Like are you being serious right now?, are we in some surreal therapy class or something, do you want me to tell LT off for you ? ....I wasn't even involved in that conversation.

This is exactly why people get fed up of serious debates , and I'm talking of people who give genuine opinions and not the trolling baity stuff. People have genuine concerns and worries about what's happening out there,and you're turning it into the LT show.

And no I won't be crying in my pillow tonight...you have that right,as there's more important issues going on ...than me worrying over what you think of me .

" You thought I was different" ? , no idea what this means, can only be a dig I guess at the fact I'm not doing and saying exactly what you want, do you want me to fight your battles when LT says something you don't like?.

There is something called the ' ignore' button. And you don't know me Redway and you likely never will know me or where I've come from or what I've gone through. No doubt you assume I'm white as well which is hilarious .

So what if there's specific proof that a white terrorist shooter is a big member of a toxic incel community, which has happened...I even gave you example of that degenerate who posted boo hoo bitter videos. Or what about if a known terrorist / extremist is on the FBI watch list due to various crimes who so happens to be Asian .

It doesn't mean every Asian person is a threat

And it doesn't mean every white guy is dangerous

Not everything people bring up is rooted in racism or xenophobia, people have genuine fears like I said.

Yes there's ignorance out there ,but not everyone is coming from a bad place in their heart.

I'm probably wasting my time even trying to explain to you anyway.

Of course I don’t know you like that but I didn’t think you were white. That was part of my point. I’d expect you to know better.

[Vanessa]

I beg your pardon ...wow

Of course it's not true in my individual case ,and just remember we all have our own minds and thoughts on here. I'm not responsible for what LT says or does .....if you have issue with what he did then you tell him.

How did we go from us saying all races and backgrounds can carry a knife ,to it suddenly being about LT & you being disappointed in me ?.... Like are you being serious right now?, are we in some surreal therapy class or something, do you want me to tell LT off for you ? ....I wasn't even involved in that conversation.

This is exactly why people get fed up of serious debates , and I'm talking of people who give genuine opinions and not the trolling baity stuff. People have genuine concerns and worries about what's happening out there,and you're turning it into the LT show.

And no I won't be crying in my pillow tonight...you have that right,as there's more important issues going on ...than me worrying over what you think of me .

" You thought I was different" ? , no idea what this means, can only be a dig I guess at the fact I'm not doing and saying exactly what you want, do you want me to fight your battles when LT says something you don't like?.

There is something called the ' ignore' button. And you don't know me Redway and you likely never will know me or where I've come from or what I've gone through. No doubt you assume I'm white as well which is hilarious .

So what if there's specific proof that a white terrorist shooter is a big member of a toxic incel community, which has happened...I even gave you example of that degenerate who posted boo hoo bitter videos. Or what about if a known terrorist / extremist is on the FBI watch list due to various crimes who so happens to be Asian .

It doesn't mean every Asian person is a threat

And it doesn't mean every white guy is dangerous

Not everything people bring up is rooted in racism or xenophobia, people have genuine fears like I said.

Yes there's ignorance out there ,but not everyone is coming from a bad place in their heart.

I'm probably wasting my time even trying to explain to you anyway.

Agree on everything. :clap1:

[Redway]

You’re literally a foreigner yourself, Ness. What are you agreeing on?

[GoldHeart]

Of course I don’t know you like that but I didn’t think you were white. That was part of my point. I’d expect you to know better.

First Vanessa now it's my turn is it ?. " I should know better" ? ....there you go again being condescending, like you're some upper class headmistress looking down your nose at a poor thick peasant.

[Vanessa]

You’re literally a foreigner yourself, Ness. What are you agreeing on?

So i can't have an opinion because I'm not British? Wow

[Redway]

First Vanessa now it's my turn is it ?. " I should know better" ? ....there you go again being condescending, like you're some upper class headmistress looking down your nose at a poor thick peasant.

This isn’t about turns. It’s about pointing out the ludicrous hypocrisy in these arguments.

[Vanessa]

First Vanessa now it's my turn is it ?. " I should know better" ? ....there you go again being condescending, like you're some upper class headmistress looking down your nose at a poor thick peasant.
You're entitled to your opinions and I actually agree with it.

[Redway]

So i can't have an opinion because I'm not British? Wow

Oh, get over yourself, you. You know what I meant.

[Vanessa]

Oh, get over yourself, you. You know what I meant.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinions.
If you don't agree that's fair enough.

[Redway]

Everyone is entitled to their own opinions.
If you don't agree that's fair enough.

You don’t need to validate the fact that my opinions are fair enough. Stop your nonsense.

[Vanessa]

You don’t need to validate the fact that my opinions are fair enough. Stop your nonsense.

Then stop being so condescending. It's a discussion forum, not a dictatorship.

[Redway]

Then stop being so condescending. It's a discussion forum, not a dictatorship.

I have literally no qualms about sounding condescending in the midst of a thread pedalling anti-immigrant rhetoric because the attacker happens not to be white.

[Vanessa]

I have literally no qualms about sounding condescending in the midst of a thread pedalling anti-immigrant rhetoric because the attacker happens not to be white.

I'm not anti immigration. I myself have emigrated. But I think it needs to be regulated.
Endless of unchecked people coming in can't be a good thing.

[Redway]

I'm not anti immigration. I myself have emigrated. But I think it needs to be regulated.
Endless of unchecked people coming in can't be a good thing.

The guy was literally born here so what’s your point?

[Vanessa]

The guy was literally born here so what’s your point?

I'm not talking about anyone in particular. Immigration in general.

[Redway]

I'm not talking about anyone in particular. Immigration in general.

Which has got what exactly to do with this particular instance/scumbag in the first place?

[Vanessa]

Which has got what exactly to do with this particular instance/scumbag in the first place?

Wrong thread. I meant to answer the other one.

[Redway]

Wrong thread. I meant to answer the other one.

Yeah, of course you did.

[Vanessa]

Yeah, of course you did.

Think whatever you want. I don't care.

[Vanessa]

I agree that most religions have their ****ed up views… but some religions are way less tolerant than others. And when you kill people in the name of your religion that’s just barbaric
Thank you. :clap1:

[GoldHeart]

This isn’t about turns. It’s about pointing out the ludicrous hypocrisy in these arguments.

It's not hypocrisy though is it .

Hypocrisy would be if someone who emigrated to the UK then went on to say that the UK should stop all immigration, which isn't what Vanessa is saying.

She's Italian yeah , But i'm pretty sure if there was a sudden wave of Mafia gangs arriving in the UK and committing crimes from e.g Italy itself.... she'd also have concerns. But that doesn't mean she'd want Italy blacklisted or whatever the term is when a country is seen as a ' high risk warning ' . That's still her home.

The fact is multiculturalism is a great thing , like I said in the other thread ...many of us are from different cultures & backgrounds and Britain is very diverse. So it would be ignorant and silly to say we hate it or are against it.

The situation is more to it than that , and it gets more complicated ... especially when the argument is usually about ' illegal immigration' and not immigration in general. Plenty have come here from all over the world and integrated into the community just fine ,but when we question why some aren't integrating or why crime has gone up then we're the bad people ? .

Just for the record ( I already made this point but I'll make it again) , the 18 year old who brutally killed those kids the other day ... could be any race and any religion and I would still treat him the same way.

People wanted answers. Not everyone is a mindless yob who goes out rioting for the sake of it.

White,black , Asian and others commit crimes, there's no denying that .

[Vanessa]

It's not hypocrisy though is it .

Hypocrisy would be if someone who emigrated to the UK then went on to say that the UK should stop all immigration, which isn't what Vanessa is saying.

She's Italian yeah , But i'm pretty sure if there was a sudden wave of Mafia gangs arriving in the UK and committing crimes from e.g Italy itself.... she'd also have concerns. But that doesn't mean she'd want Italy blacklisted or whatever the term is when a country is seen as a ' high risk warning ' . That's still her home.

The fact is multiculturalism is a great thing , like I said in the other thread ...many of us are from different cultures & backgrounds and Britain is very diverse. So it would be ignorant and silly to say we hate it or are against it.

The situation is more to it than that , and it gets more complicated ... especially when the argument is usually about ' illegal immigration' and not immigration in general. Plenty have come here from all over the world and integrated into the community just fine ,but when we question why some aren't integrating or why crime has gone up then we're the bad people ? .

Just for the record ( I already made this point but I'll make it again) , the 18 year old who brutally killed those kids the other day ... could be any race and any religion and I would still treat him the same way.

People wanted answers. Not everyone is a mindless yob who goes out rioting for the sake of it.

White,black , Asian and others commit crimes, there's no denying that .

:clap1:

[Redway]

It's not hypocrisy though is it .

Hypocrisy would be if someone who emigrated to the UK then went on to say that the UK should stop all immigration, which isn't what Vanessa is saying.

She's Italian yeah , But i'm pretty sure if there was a sudden wave of Mafia gangs arriving in the UK and committing crimes from e.g Italy itself.... she'd also have concerns. But that doesn't mean she'd want Italy blacklisted or whatever the term is when a country is seen as a ' high risk warning ' . That's still her home.

The fact is multiculturalism is a great thing , like I said in the other thread ...many of us are from different cultures & backgrounds and Britain is very diverse. So it would be ignorant and silly to say we hate it or are against it.

The situation is more to it than that , and it gets more complicated ... especially when the argument is usually about ' illegal immigration' and not immigration in general. Plenty have come here from all over the world and integrated into the community just fine ,but when we question why some aren't integrating or why crime has gone up then we're the bad people ? .

Just for the record ( I already made this point but I'll make it again) , the 18 year old who brutally killed those kids the other day ... could be any race and any religion and I would still treat him the same way.

People wanted answers. Not everyone is a mindless yob who goes out rioting for the sake of it.

White,black , Asian and others commit crimes, there's no denying that .

I ask similarly again, what does illegal immigration possibly have to do with the Cardiff-born scumbag who committed this crime? To the extent of Vanessa going on to create a whole thread on multiculturalism.

[GoldHeart]

I ask similarly again, what does illegal immigration possibly have to do with the Cardiff-born scumbag who committed this crime? To the extent of Vanessa going on to create a whole thread on multiculturalism.

I think it's more of a general discussion,and not just about said Cardiff born scum.

It's also a build up of what's been happening in the UK with the high level of knife crime .

[Redway]

I think it's more of a general discussion,and not just about said Cardiff born scum.

It's also a build up of what's been happening in the UK with the high level of knife crime .

But why does this thread have to be the one that prompted general discussion about it?

[Livia]

But why does this thread have to be the one that prompted general discussion about it?

Maybe because before they released his details there was some speculation.

[GoldHeart]

But why does this thread have to be the one that prompted general discussion about it?

I wasn't the one that made it was i .

Maybe what triggered it was the whole rioting, and the many theories of why such a horrific crime happened.

Thoughts of radicalism etc , I know you don't like that argument...but people were trying to come up with answers.

[arista]

Court Sketch
The soon to be 18 year old
Evil Killer

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/08/01/14/88040417-13697513-Court_artist_drawing_of_Rudakubana_covering_his_fa ce_as_he_appea-m-89_1722520073012.jpg

In court, he never spoke
would not even confirm his name.

[The Evil Killer is Axel Rudakubana]


He kept his head down
and looked around the court, at everything there.

Reporters in Court Confirmed.

[Redway]

Maybe because before they released his details there was some speculation.

I suppose.

[Ammi]

Nurseries forced into lockdown after stabbing rumours on social media…


A number of nurseries in Wigan were forced into a lockdown this morning after a false report of a stabbing circulated on social media.

A false rumour of an alleged stabbing on Enfield Street in the Pemberton area circulated earlier today (Friday). Multiple nurseries in the area sent out alerts to parents to warn them about the alleged incident, the Liverpool Echo reports.

One nursey said it had gone into 'full lockdown' due to the 'alarming report'. A message to parents said: "There have been posts on social media this morning regarding an incident on Enfield Street.

READ NEXT: Police want to speak to these people after violent disorder unfolds outside Manchester hotel

"As a result of the alarming reports we have made the decision to put the nursery into a full lockdown. All our children are safe and being well cared for by our fabulous staff."

But the incident turned out to be a crash on Ormskirk Road. Emergency services were called to the scene at around 7am.

Greater Manchester Police confirmed the incident was a two car crash, and was damage only, with no injuries reported. The ECHO understands a larger than normal emergency response was sent to the scene as an iPhone detected a crash and sent an alert to emergency services.

Following the large response a false report began to circulate on social media alleging the police response was due to a stabbing and that an offender was at large. GMP confirmed the stabbing was a false report.


This week false information spread online regarding the suspect in the mass stabbings in Southport culminated in riots across the country, including on Luke's Road in Southport. Both the Home Secretary, Yvette Cooper, and the Chief Constable of Merseyside Police, Serena Kennedy, have spoken this week about the dangers of misinformation.

When Ms Cooper visited Southport the day after the mass stabbing, she urged the public to avoid 'unhelpful' speculation and added social media companies 'need to take some responsibility'.

Speaking to the ECHO on Wednesday, the day after hundreds of people attended a violent protest, CC Kennedy added: "People have attended after the vigil for the purpose of mindless violence, thuggery and hooliganism and they do not represent Southport, they do not represent Merseyside. There is a lot of misinformation and speculation out there."



https://uk.news.yahoo.com/nurseries-forced-lockdown-stabbing-rumours-125504022.html

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-859a68af-215e-4825-a063-c56b0b8745a8.png

[Cherie]

It's not hypocrisy though is it .

Hypocrisy would be if someone who emigrated to the UK then went on to say that the UK should stop all immigration, which isn't what Vanessa is saying.

She's Italian yeah , But i'm pretty sure if there was a sudden wave of Mafia gangs arriving in the UK and committing crimes from e.g Italy itself.... she'd also have concerns. But that doesn't mean she'd want Italy blacklisted or whatever the term is when a country is seen as a ' high risk warning ' . That's still her home.

The fact is multiculturalism is a great thing , like I said in the other thread ...many of us are from different cultures & backgrounds and Britain is very diverse. So it would be ignorant and silly to say we hate it or are against it.

The situation is more to it than that , and it gets more complicated ... especially when the argument is usually about ' illegal immigration' and not immigration in general. Plenty have come here from all over the world and integrated into the community just fine ,but when we question why some aren't integrating or why crime has gone up then we're the bad people ? .

Just for the record ( I already made this point but I'll make it again) , the 18 year old who brutally killed those kids the other day ... could be any race and any religion and I would still treat him the same way.

People wanted answers. Not everyone is a mindless yob who goes out rioting for the sake of it.

White,black , Asian and others commit crimes, there's no denying that .

Goldie :clap1:

[Cherie]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-859a68af-215e-4825-a063-c56b0b8745a8.png

Not a great week for the BBC

[GoldHeart]

Not a great week for the BBC


It's got to the stage now where I just expect disgrace & scandal with the BBC now ... that's bad I know ,it seems it's a reoccurring thing.

Tbh they probably didn't know a innocent looking little boy would grow up to be a child killer, but yeah it's awful.

[Cherie]

It's got to the stage now where I just expect disgrace & scandal with the BBC now ... that's bad I know ,it seems it's a reoccurring thing.

Tbh they probably didn't know a innocent looking little boy would grow up to be a child killer, but yeah it's awful.

no but its just bizarre that he was part of this

[GoldHeart]

no but its just bizarre that he was part of this



Yeah 100% bizarre, I didn't think it was real at first.

I bet people who met him back then ,are probably thinking wtf went wrong.

[Vanessa]

Yeah 100% bizarre, I didn't think it was real at first.

I bet people who met him back then ,are probably thinking wtf went wrong.
But at the same time, apparently he was saying to classmates that a genocide is needed? :umm2:

[GoldHeart]

But at the same time, apparently he was saying to classmates that a genocide is needed? :umm2:

Has that been confirmed!? ... and something about carrying a knife to school,if that's true . Wow just think if the warning signs were there but ignored! .

[Vanessa]

Has that been confirmed!? ... and something about carrying a knife to school,if that's true . Wow just think if the warning signs were there but ignored! .
L

Not confirmed. But maybe that's what it was like back in Rwanda? I heard it was a very violent place back then.

[Ninastar]

Nurseries forced into lockdown after stabbing rumours on social media…


A number of nurseries in Wigan were forced into a lockdown this morning after a false report of a stabbing circulated on social media.

A false rumour of an alleged stabbing on Enfield Street in the Pemberton area circulated earlier today (Friday). Multiple nurseries in the area sent out alerts to parents to warn them about the alleged incident, the Liverpool Echo reports.

One nursey said it had gone into 'full lockdown' due to the 'alarming report'. A message to parents said: "There have been posts on social media this morning regarding an incident on Enfield Street.

READ NEXT: Police want to speak to these people after violent disorder unfolds outside Manchester hotel

"As a result of the alarming reports we have made the decision to put the nursery into a full lockdown. All our children are safe and being well cared for by our fabulous staff."

But the incident turned out to be a crash on Ormskirk Road. Emergency services were called to the scene at around 7am.

Greater Manchester Police confirmed the incident was a two car crash, and was damage only, with no injuries reported. The ECHO understands a larger than normal emergency response was sent to the scene as an iPhone detected a crash and sent an alert to emergency services.

Following the large response a false report began to circulate on social media alleging the police response was due to a stabbing and that an offender was at large. GMP confirmed the stabbing was a false report.


This week false information spread online regarding the suspect in the mass stabbings in Southport culminated in riots across the country, including on Luke's Road in Southport. Both the Home Secretary, Yvette Cooper, and the Chief Constable of Merseyside Police, Serena Kennedy, have spoken this week about the dangers of misinformation.

When Ms Cooper visited Southport the day after the mass stabbing, she urged the public to avoid 'unhelpful' speculation and added social media companies 'need to take some responsibility'.

Speaking to the ECHO on Wednesday, the day after hundreds of people attended a violent protest, CC Kennedy added: "People have attended after the vigil for the purpose of mindless violence, thuggery and hooliganism and they do not represent Southport, they do not represent Merseyside. There is a lot of misinformation and speculation out there."



https://uk.news.yahoo.com/nurseries-forced-lockdown-stabbing-rumours-125504022.html

This is so sad to hear. When I still lived in the UK, we never had to practice lockdowns… in America of course we do them but hearing (on here) that yall do practice lockdowns now is a little reassuring but also terribly heartbreaking

[Zizu]

TalkSport reporting that there will be around 200 more protests across the country over the weekend

No idea how they know


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

[Ammi]

This is so sad to hear. When I still lived in the UK, we never had to practice lockdowns… in America of course we do them but hearing (on here) that yall do practice lockdowns now is a little reassuring but also terribly heartbreaking

…we have practised a few, actually and it’s pretty scary isn’t it, just to practise…maybe because it is a practise, it does give you that mind space to feel the scariness, if that makes sense…?…the adrenaline of an actual terrifying event and danger isn’t there, so your mind has room for other things to feel and you fully absorb that scariness as opposed to going into an ‘automatic’ mode…

…I know that it is heartbreaking that we do practice them as you say, Caitlin…but I also think that it’s something we should have always practised…(…as in more safety precautions in schools…)….and that, that is happening as a common procedure now is a good thing…sadly as with Southport, the same secure premises isn’t yet there with out of school events…but I think there will be changes now…

[Vanessa]

TalkSport reporting that there will be around 200 more protests across the country over the weekend

No idea how they know


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

That doesn't sound good.

[Livia]

This is so sad to hear. When I still lived in the UK, we never had to practice lockdowns… in America of course we do them but hearing (on here) that yall do practice lockdowns now is a little reassuring but also terribly heartbreaking

Sadly, this is every day life in British Jewish schools. Lockdown, bomb doors, emergency drills...

[arista]

PM Starmer has lots of options




During 2011 Riots PM David Cameron recalled Parliament


[Tue 9 Aug 2011 15.22 BST]

[David Cameron announces recall of
parliament over riots
This article is more than 12 years old
The prime minister says the number of
police officers on the streets of London
will be increased by 10,000 to 16,000]

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2011/aug/09/david-cameron-announces-recall-parliament

[Ammi]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-859a68af-215e-4825-a063-c56b0b8745a8.png

…the thing about this as well, I was thinking earlier…and linking it to the court reports that when he entered the court for the charges, he looked toward the media and smiled…if he had craved fame/attention and some kind of feeling of ‘visiblity’ …which then led to craving notoriety with the evil act he intended and carried out…all of the rioting that is being attached his taking the lives of those little girls, is just feeding into the evil that he is…it’s just gathering and feeding everything he craved, if that was a factor…

[Benjamin]

L

Not confirmed. But maybe that's what it was like back in Rwanda? I heard it was a very violent place back then.

He was born and grew up in UK.

[arista]

Not a great week for the BBC

Yes Good the BBC have now removed that old video
of the Young killer leaving the Tardis

[Ammi]

Hundreds attend peaceful Southport vigil for girls killed in stabbing…


Hundreds of people have attended a peaceful vigil in Southport a week on from the murders of Bebe King, Elsie Dot Stancombe and Alice Dasilva Aguiar.

Children blew bubbles and others left flowers and heart-shaped balloons on Monday evening in remembrance of the victims of the stabbing attack at a Taylor Swift-themed holiday club.

Hundreds of bubbles were donated by local shops, arcades, charities and families of the victims, the event’s organiser said.

Teddy bears and toys were among the other gifts left in memory of the victims at the “Swifties Bubble Blow – Kisses To Heaven” event.

Many of the children at the vigil were dressed in pink, with some leaving chalk messages on the pavement in front of The Atkinson arts centre in Southport town centre.

Event organiser Kylie Clift said: “I organised this event as I feel a great importance in our children being able to grieve too.

“They can express so much emotion through fun yet sensitive activities, like bubble blowing.

“I have been donated hundreds of bubbles from various local shops, arcades, charities and even from families of the victims themselves.

“There will be time to take a moment and remember those we’ve lost and those who still continue to fight.

“We have the amazing Wendy Chalke singing a heartfelt song whilst we all come together as a community and blow as many bubbles as we can, blowing them ‘kisses’ to heaven.”

A spokesman for Merseyside Police said one child remained in hospital after the Southport attack and all other patients have been discharged.


Disorder and violence broke out in parts of the UK after last week’s knife attack.

Hundreds of people took part in a peaceful vigil for the stabbing victims on July 30 outside The Atkinson venue, with many in tears as they laid flowers and cards the day after the attack.

That vigil was followed by a separate protest on the same day outside a local mosque as demonstrators chanted far-right slogans and clashed with police in St Luke’s Road.

The Prime Minister subsequently said rioters in Southport had “hijacked” the vigil and would “feel the full force of the law”.

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/hundreds-attend-peaceful-southport-vigil-190010524.html

[Ammi]

…it’s nice to see that this wasn’t deterred by all of the unrest and also that it was all made confidently safe enough to go ahead etc…

[Cherie]

Hundreds attend peaceful Southport vigil for girls killed in stabbing…


Hundreds of people have attended a peaceful vigil in Southport a week on from the murders of Bebe King, Elsie Dot Stancombe and Alice Dasilva Aguiar.

Children blew bubbles and others left flowers and heart-shaped balloons on Monday evening in remembrance of the victims of the stabbing attack at a Taylor Swift-themed holiday club.

Hundreds of bubbles were donated by local shops, arcades, charities and families of the victims, the event’s organiser said.

Teddy bears and toys were among the other gifts left in memory of the victims at the “Swifties Bubble Blow – Kisses To Heaven” event.

Many of the children at the vigil were dressed in pink, with some leaving chalk messages on the pavement in front of The Atkinson arts centre in Southport town centre.

Event organiser Kylie Clift said: “I organised this event as I feel a great importance in our children being able to grieve too.

“They can express so much emotion through fun yet sensitive activities, like bubble blowing.

“I have been donated hundreds of bubbles from various local shops, arcades, charities and even from families of the victims themselves.

“There will be time to take a moment and remember those we’ve lost and those who still continue to fight.

“We have the amazing Wendy Chalke singing a heartfelt song whilst we all come together as a community and blow as many bubbles as we can, blowing them ‘kisses’ to heaven.”

A spokesman for Merseyside Police said one child remained in hospital after the Southport attack and all other patients have been discharged.


Disorder and violence broke out in parts of the UK after last week’s knife attack.

Hundreds of people took part in a peaceful vigil for the stabbing victims on July 30 outside The Atkinson venue, with many in tears as they laid flowers and cards the day after the attack.

That vigil was followed by a separate protest on the same day outside a local mosque as demonstrators chanted far-right slogans and clashed with police in St Luke’s Road.

The Prime Minister subsequently said rioters in Southport had “hijacked” the vigil and would “feel the full force of the law”.

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/hundreds-attend-peaceful-southport-vigil-190010524.html

Wonderful tribute, the disrepect shown to the families on the first vigil was unspeakable

[arista]

…it’s nice to see that this wasn’t deterred by all of the unrest and also that it was all made confidently safe enough to go ahead etc…


Of Course
the Thugs would not go near that event.


I hate all the Plastic and Dead flowers
there.


All Made in China Rubbish

[bots]

what a lovely tribute

[Ammi]

…the Swifties with Alder Hey Children’s Hospital Go Fund Me is also now at £368,625…incredible sum…

[Zizu]

…the Swifties with Alder Hey Children’s Hospital Go Fund Me is also now at £368,625…incredible sum…


Hopefully someone honest and responsible is in control of the money


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

[Ammi]

Hopefully someone honest and responsible is in control of the money


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

…I’m guessing that it’ll be Alder Hey Hospital Trust Committee…but that’s only my thought…

[Vanessa]

Brilliant news https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240806/ba5dabc427c9e537dee5883e9750b270.jpg

Sent from my 23028RN4DG using Tapatalk

[Ammi]

…ahhhhhh, wonderful news…I wonder with Leanne Lucas, too…I’m not sure that she’s been released from hospital yet…

[Vanessa]

…ahhhhhh, wonderful news…I wonder with Leanne Lucas, too…I’m not sure that she’s been released from hospital yet…

Good to have some positive news. Poor kids, I really hope they get all the support they need.

[Oliver_W]

Brilliant news https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240806/ba5dabc427c9e537dee5883e9750b270.jpg

Sent from my 23028RN4DG using Tapatalk

:love:

[Ammi]

…oh Leanne Lucas, the Dance Teacher has been discharged from hospital as well…:love:…

[Vanessa]

…oh Leanne Lucas, the Dance Teacher has been discharged from hospital as well…:love:…
That's great.

[GoldHeart]

…oh Leanne Lucas, the Dance Teacher has been discharged from hospital as well…:love:…

Thank goodness

[Cherie]

Some good news for a change

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/fc82/live/fb4ed1c0-5758-11ef-aebc-6de4d31bf5cd.jpg.webp

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/c9b2/live/46637ba0-575b-11ef-aebc-6de4d31bf5cd.jpg.webp

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/8355/live/d29bb3a0-5759-11ef-aebc-6de4d31bf5cd.jpg.webp

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-6f3b08c8-78c2-4451-910d-e2b5284d4a89.png

[Mystic Mock]

That's a terrible thing to have witnessed.

[Ammi]

….ahhhh, I read that yesterday…the far reaching impact on all of those children who witnessed the attacks…over time it’ll unfold more and more as their understanding becomes greater and the horror of it all…and that there were siblings there as well …another layer of heartbreak and awful for that family…:’(…

…I recall quite a while ago, reading something written by the sister of Sarah Payne and the huge impact as a child and growing up and through life etc…of having a sibling who was suddenly and violently killed …not just from her own viewpoint but the impact on her parents as well and how all of their worlds were changed…and that was without that layer of having witnessed any of the horror…

[arista]

That's a terrible thing to have witnessed.


Yes
worse the Killer
is going to play the mental card

[Cherie]

We cant even imagine the road ahead for her and her family

[Ammi]

Mourners gather for funeral of Southport victim Alice da Silva Aguiar…



https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/08/11/13/88407529-13732707-image-a-53_1723380270975.jpg

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/08/11/13/88407725-13732707-image-a-72_1723380930530.jpg

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/08/11/15/88410505-13732707-image-a-35_1723388320760.jpg

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/08/11/15/88410501-13732707-image-a-34_1723388295337.jpg

Players observe a minute's silence for the victims of the Southport attack before the pre-season friendly football match between Liverpool and Sevilla…
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/08/11/14/88408805-13732707-image-a-33_1723383887992.jpg


Hundreds of mourners have gathered for the funeral of nine-year-old Alice da Silva Aguiar, who was killed in a mass stabbing at a dance class in Southport.

Her parents Sergio and Alexandra were joined by family and friends at St Patrick’s Catholic Church in the town.

Among those who also gathered to pay their respects were Serena Kennedy, Chief Constable of Merseyside Police, along with uniformed officers from the police and the ambulance and fire services.

Members of the public lined Marshside Road as the funeral cortege arrived, along with about 30 uniformed police officers.

Pink ribbons and balloons were tied to lampposts and garden walls.

Applause broke out as the carriage – drawn by two white horses sporting orange and white plumes – containing the youngster’s white coffin approached the church entrance.

Several hundred people packed into the church while more listened outside as the service was relayed on loudspeakers.

Alice, Bebe King, six, and Elsie Dot Stancombe, seven, were all killed in the attack at a Taylor Swift-themed dance class on July 29.

Eight other children were injured in the attack and all have now been discharged from hospital to recover at home.

[bots]

i can't imagine how the families would get through today

[Cherie]

The last photo before she went into the dance class, heartbreaking

[Alf]

1822719536648376701

[Ninastar]

Genuinely gut wrenching

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-9cf138aa-a403-4db8-9d78-03d4b2e51f1d.jpeg

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-9d98ef1f-c705-4a5f-8a98-d49f6974bc7e.jpeg

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-a7a83652-aeca-4223-88db-afd98498b289.jpeg

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-5d72a638-c8be-4e93-8652-5c0dc53b285b.jpeg

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/07e8/live/0be9bc80-5820-11ef-8f0f-0577398c3339.jpg.webp

[Ammi]

Yoga instructor who tried to save children in Southport rushed back to hospital…


A yoga teacher who was stabbed during the Southport knife attacks has been rushed back to hospital after her condition deteriorated, her family have said.

Former primary school teacher Leanne Lucas, 35, tried to protect the children in the Taylor Swift-themed dance class during an attack which left three young girls dead on 29 July.

Three children were killed and eight injured after a knifeman launched an attack at the dance studio in the Merseyside seaside town. She and a colleague are said to have helped shield up to 16 innocent children from the onslaught.

Ms Lucas has been readmitted to hospital due to breathing problems.

Posting to a GoFundMe page set up to support the instructor, a friend wrote: "Unfortunately this week Leanne was readmitted to hospital due [to] struggling with her breathing. She is waiting for an operation for another drain on her lung due to infection.”

…full article…

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/southport-stabbing-leanne-lucas-hospital-b2597558.html


…so much positive thoughts to her that she recovers soon from the infection…

[arista]

Yoga instructor who tried to save children in Southport rushed back to hospital…


A yoga teacher who was stabbed during the Southport knife attacks has been rushed back to hospital after her condition deteriorated, her family have said.

Former primary school teacher Leanne Lucas, 35, tried to protect the children in the Taylor Swift-themed dance class during an attack which left three young girls dead on 29 July.

Three children were killed and eight injured after a knifeman launched an attack at the dance studio in the Merseyside seaside town. She and a colleague are said to have helped shield up to 16 innocent children from the onslaught.

Ms Lucas has been readmitted to hospital due to breathing problems.

Posting to a GoFundMe page set up to support the instructor, a friend wrote: "Unfortunately this week Leanne was readmitted to hospital due [to] struggling with her breathing. She is waiting for an operation for another drain on her lung due to infection.”

…full article…

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/southport-stabbing-leanne-lucas-hospital-b2597558.html


…so much positive thoughts to her that she recovers soon from the infection…


https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/08/16/15/87932493-13750649-Teacher_Leanne_Lucas_who_bravely_helped_protect_ch ildren_in_the_-a-33_1723819693094.jpg

Yes Let's hope she recovers

[Livia]

Hope the monster who did this is having a rough time. Although I know he's not. He's being protected and that makes me feel physically ill.

[arista]

Right Now they are having a Private Funeral
for the girl BeBe

[Ammi]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/08/17/10/88381389-13730501-_Our_beloved_Bebe_only_six_years_old_was_full_of_j oy_light_and_l-a-15_1723888673978.jpg
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/08/17/10/88381213-13730501-The_family_shared_a_photo_of_Bebe_pictured_centre_ as_they_releas-a-18_1723888674001.jpg
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/08/17/10/88381283-13730501-The_family_of_Bebe_King_thanked_their_community_fo r_the_outpouri-a-13_1723888673674.jpg

[GoldHeart]

Hope the monster who did this is having a rough time. Although I know he's not. He's being protected and that makes me feel physically ill.

What I hate is ,all the rioting & politics has basically overshadowed the fact that innocent children still lost their lives at the hands of this evil killer . Whole thing is like a dystopian depressing mess.

[Mystic Mock]

Hope the monster who did this is having a rough time. Although I know he's not. He's being protected and that makes me feel physically ill.

He can't Soap dodge forever though Livia.

[Oliver_W]

He can't Soap dodge forever though Livia.

You think that creature ever used soap?

[Parmy]

If charlie bronson did him with his fists and teeth you would all be saying how horrible Charlie bronson is.

[arista]

The King has arrived in Southport.


SkyNewsHD Live

[Crimson Dynamo]

Anyone heard anything about the man who did it or why he did it

Or indeed anything about it?


https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/640x360/p0jfwdds.jpg

[arista]

His name already on X and his profile if true is going to cause a real stink


LT
this thread is about the stabbings.

No wonder your thread today got locked

[AnnieK]

I would imagine all that will come out during the trial.

Hopefully nothing will be reported that could compromise the case? :shrug:

[Ammi]

…just what Annie said, the details will be at the trial whenever that’s scheduled for …legal representation for all, both defence and prosecution will have stressed that importance…I guess any details before then could possibly lead to a mistrial situation…

[Crimson Dynamo]

LT
this thread is about the stabbings.

No wonder your thread today got locked

why are you quoting from back in the summer?

I am asking of anyone has heard anything about the muderer and why he did it?

[Crimson Dynamo]

I would imagine all that will come out during the trial.





lets hope we get ALL the information I agree

[arista]

[Southport murders accused facing terror charge]


[Axel Rudakubana, 18, has been charged
with production of a biological toxin contrary
to Section 1 of the Biological Weapons Act 1974.

He has also been charged with possessing
a PDF document of a kind likely to be useful
to a person committing to or preparing
an act of terrorism,
contrary to Section 58 of the Terrorism Act 2000.

The accused will appear at
Westminster Magistrates' Court tomorrow.

Merseyside Police's Chief Constable Serena Kennedy
said that the force would continue to lead the
investigation into the stabbings on 29 July.

Counter Terrorism Police have not declared
the incident a terrorist incident.

Both the ricin and the training manual
were found as part of searches of the suspect's
house in the Lancashire village of Banks
following the stabbing.

Ricin is a highly toxic poison naturally
derived from castor oil plants.
A court sketch of a young man
with curly dark hair holding
his jumper up over his mouth and nose.]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c05zpdq0lzgo

[Crimson Dynamo]

Southport ‘attacker’ charged with having Al-Qaeda material and
making ricin poison

Axel Rudakubana, 18, who is alleged to have carried out a knife attack in July,
has been charged with an offence under the Terrorism Act

[arista]

Anyone heard anything about the man who did it or why he did it

Or indeed anything about it?


https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/640x360/p0jfwdds.jpg



Yes LT
today we found out
He is a Terrorist.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Nigel has his say. Very interesting....

auR84QevrZs

[Crimson Dynamo]

The ever accurate Connor Tomlinson says:

"The UK no longer has a justice system

It is simply the punishment branch of the government

It does its business according to the ideology and interests of the state

They lied to the public. They knew they would be furious about this. They kept lying to keep them under control"

[Crimson Dynamo]

Robert Jenrick
@RobertJenrick
·
47m
The public had a right to know the truth straight away.

I am seriously concerned that facts may have been withheld from the public.

Keir Starmer must urgently explain what he knew about the Southport attack and when he learned it.

The hard reality of mass-migration has been covered up. The public have been gaslight by the Liberal Elites and Starmer

https://x.com/RobertJenrick/status/1851294780304863449

[Oliver_W]

I'm surprised it's going to trial, in what world can he plead "not guilty" ?

I thought those types would play the martyr, talk about how he did it for Palestine or some other nonsense.

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[Crimson Dynamo]

Did not think we would have many posts today.........

[Cherie]

As expected, he didn't randomly turn up and start killing at a Taylor Swift dance class, it was pre planned

[arista]

I'm surprised it's going to trial, in what world can he plead "not guilty" ?

I thought those types would play the martyr, talk about how he did it for Palestine or some other nonsense.

All that will do
give him Life in Prison

[arista]

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[arista]

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[Livia]

Terror charge. Like stabbing to death three little girls isn't terror enough. It was always a terror attack. The latest stuff is incidental.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Note also how the info was released just before the budget....

[Livia]

Note also how the info was released just before the budget....

Yes, that's what they call timing.

[Crimson Dynamo]

BBC, 19 August: "The violence was started by false online rumours that the
suspect in the Southport attack was a Muslim."

BBC, 29 October: "[He] has been charged with producing the poison ricin and
possessing a military study of an al-Qaeda training manual."


Verify that.

[Parmy]

BBC, 19 August: "The violence was started by false online rumours that the
suspect in the Southport attack was a Muslim."

BBC, 29 October: "[He] has been charged with producing the poison ricin and
possessing a military study of an al-Qaeda training manual."


Verify that.


Starmer should be charged, fast tracked and given a hefty jail sentence for spreading false rumours which could have inflamed the population against Christian's when he knowingly lied to us when he told us he was a Christian from Wales.

[arista]

BBC News Text:
[The Metro reports that dance
class teacher Leanne Lucas
has spoken for the first time
of the "horrific knife attack that
left three little girls dead"
in Southport in July.
The 28-year-old, injured protecting
children at the Taylor Swift-themed
event, spoke at a vigil for women
and girls who have lost their
lives to male violence,
the paper adds.]


https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/ace/standard/976/cpsprodpb/e61b/live/c5c390e0-ac3f-11ef-8ab9-9192db313061.jpg.webp

[Ammi]

…’connected through tragedy…’…it’s not a life connection that you would ever imagine to have, is it…and speaking at a vigil for women and girls who have lost their lives to male violence with the image of Harshita Brella right above who was known to have suffered such violence but her killer given bail until he killed her…


…I’m glad that Leanne Lucas’ physical health is much improved and back on track now…:lovedup:…

[Livia]

That poor young woman, teaching kids at a dance event. I still feel like the government, CPS and the police are wringing their hands with worry about the scum who carried out the attack.

[Ammi]

Not guilty pleas entered after teen accused of Southport attack does not speak…


Not guilty pleas have been entered on behalf of the teenager accused of killing three children at a dance class in Southport after he failed to speak in court.

Axel Rudakubana, of Banks, Lancashire, appeared via videolink at Liverpool Crown Court on Wednesday and failed to reply when he was asked to enter pleas to 16 charges he faces.

Judge Mr Justice Goose said he was satisfied the defendant could hear what was being said and not guilty pleas would be entered on his behalf.

Alice da Silva Aguiar, nine; Bebe King, six; and Elsie Dot Stancombe, seven; died following the attack at the Taylor Swift-themed dance class at The Hart Space on a small business park in the seaside town shortly before midday on July 29.

The defendant, who was 17 at the time of the attack, is charged with their murders as well as the attempted murder of eight other children, who cannot be named for legal reasons, instructor Leanne Lucas and businessman John Hayes.

He is also charged with possession of a knife on the day of the attack, production of a biological toxin, ricin, on or before July 29, and possession of information likely to be useful to a person committing or preparing to commit an act of terrorism.

The terrorism offence relates to a PDF file entitled Military Studies In The Jihad Against The Tyrants, The Al Qaeda Training Manual, which he is said to have possessed between August 29 2021 and July 30 2024.

The ricin, a deadly poison, and the document were found during searches of the home on Old School Close that he shared with his parents, who were originally from Rwanda.

Rudakubana, unlike on previous hearings, did not cover his face with his sweatshirt during the hearing.

Instead he sat slightly hunched, looking straight ahead at the camera on the videolink from HMP Belmarsh.

Wearing a grey sweatshirt, with his hands on his lap, twitching, the defendant occasionally looked around the room.

Mr Justice Goose twice asked him if he could hear proceedings but Rudakubana did not respond.

A prison officer with Rudakubana then confirmed audio could be heard in the room the defendant was seated in.

The judge then asked the clerk of the court to put each of the charges to the defendant but, each time, Rudakubana did not respond.

During this process, taking around four minutes for all of the 15 charges to be put to him, Rudakubana began moving his head in a swaying motion from side to side and occasionally looked around, leaning forward with his elbows on his knees, blinking.

About 15 people, including Alice’s parents and Ms Lucas, were in the public gallery for the 25-minute hearing and eight members of the press were in court.


Others watched proceedings in an annexe or over a videolink.

Adjourning the case, Mr Justice Goose said: “Axel Rudakubana, I don’t need you to reply.

“Your trial will now take place on January 20.

“You will be transferred from where you are now to a more convenient place for the purpose of attending this court.

“You must keep in touch with your solicitor and barristers. In the meantime, you will be remanded in custody.”

The trial is expected to last up to four weeks.

[Alf]

So his trial starts 20th of January. Same day as Anthony Esan's trial starts, the guy who stabbed the soldier.

You think they're trying to bury these stories low down the news cycle? Because that's also the same day of Donald Trump's inauguration.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Yep

And the MSM will love to not report it

[Crimson Dynamo]

Anthony Esan

Labour councillor Ricky Jones

Axel Rudakubana

They all have their trials scheduled for January 20, coinciding with Trump's inauguration day news blanket coverage...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GhhOVRQWYAAXjvP?format=jpg&name=small

[arista]

[Not guilty pleas have been entered
on behalf of the teenager accused
of killing three children at a dance
class in Southport after he failed
to speak in court.

Axel Rudakubana, of Banks, Lancashire,
appeared via videolink at Liverpool Crown Court
on Wednesday and failed to reply when
he was asked to enter pleas to 16 charges
he faces.]



Yes Ammi
Evil Killer

Lock him up
on Monday

[Zizu]

Pleaded not guilty … after all we know about this case !!

They should just lock him up forever just for taking the pizz

[Ammi]

…a change of plea…

Axel Rudakubana pleads guilty to Southport knife attack
18-year-old Axel Rudakubana will be sentenced on Thursday after pleading guilty to murdering three young girls at a dance class in Southport.….

The Southport attacker's shock change of plea meant the loved ones of his young victims were not present in court to hear him admit his guilt.

Axel Rudakubana, 18, was due to stand trial charged with the murders of three girls, aged six, seven and nine, who died in the attack at a Taylor Swift-themed dance class on 29 July.

Rudakubana pleaded guilty on the first day of his trial at Liverpool Crown Court, admitting to the three counts of murder, the attempted murders of eight other children, class instructor Leanne Lucas and businessman John Hayes.

He also admitted to possession of a knife, production of a biological toxin, ricin, and possession of information likely to be useful to a person committing or preparing to commit an act of terrorism.

The hearing, expected to deal with legal matters at the start of a four-week trial, instead lasted little more than 15 minutes. Mr Justice Goose said Rudakubana will be sentenced on Thursday.

The Southport attack, and misinformation online about the attacker's identity, fuelled a wave of rioting across the country, with mosques and hotels used for asylum seekers among the locations targeted.




https://uk.yahoo.com/news/axel-rudakubana-southport-stabbing-court-update-trial-114621372.html

[arista]

The Evil Terrorist
has changed his plea

to Guilty

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5y7g01682go

[arista]

I have Edited the Title

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2025/01/20/11/94292309-0-image-m-22_1737374046283.jpg



https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14304429/Axel-Rudakubana-pleads-guilty-Southport-attack-Taylor-Swift.html

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2025/01/20/13/94295529-14304429-image-a-34_1737379987253.jpg

The Evil Terrorist Killer Axel Rudakubana

[Parmy]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2025/01/20/13/94295529-14304429-image-a-34_1737379987253.jpg

The Evil Terrorist Killer Axel Rudakubana

Just a lovely young choir boy.

[Crimson Dynamo]

BREAKING.

Axel Rudakubana was referred three times to the government’s counter-
terrorism programme Prevent

One referral followed concerns about Axel Rudakubana’s potential interest in
the killing of children in a school massacre

He was first referred to Prevent when he was 13.


A further two referrals were made in 2021, all when he was a school child living
in Lancashire.

This looks like a complete and utter failure on the part of the British state

“He was first referred to Prevent over concerns he was looking at material
about school massacres in the US, and a fascination with violence.

He used computers at the school he attended at the time to search for
material on school massacres, it is understood.

By early 2020, after the first referral the previous year, it was assessed that
he did not fit the criteria for the voluntary scheme but should be referred to
other services.

Two years later, in 2021, he was referred again to Prevent after viewing
material on Libya and past terrorist attacks, including those on London in
2017.”

-reported in The Guardian

https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1881331472637874575

[arista]

[Axel Rudakubana was referred three times
to the government’s
counter-terrorism programme Prevent

One referral followed concerns
about Axel Rudakubana’s potential
interest in
the killing of children in
a school massacre

He was first referred to Prevent
when he was 13.]



His Parents Failed him.

[Crimson Dynamo]

We were all told it was not terror related at the start..

[arista]

We were all told it was not terror related at the start..

Yes that's why I Edited the Title today
as the Police are Wrong on that.


He is 100% a Terrorist
that caused Riots in the UK.


The Police are 100% Wrong he is a Terrorist.

PM Starmer needs to get this corrected

[Crimson Dynamo]

Merseyside "Police" put out this tweet today

https://x.com/MerseyPolice/status/1881337076723093534

the comments on the tweet speak for themselves...:skull:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Oh and wonder why today he pleaded guilty....?

[Cherie]

Oh and wonder why today he pleaded guilty....?

Well I doubt he did it to spare the families a trial...

Ricin, a manual on Jihad, but they couldn't say it was terrorism, then they wonder why people riot


anyone know what happened to the ....cut their throats counciller who was also in court today?

[Cherie]

Sorry what....Ricky...cut their throats.....Jones trial has been delayed until 11th August :joker: meanwhile Joe threw a stone at police and it didn't land anywhere near Bloggs is in prison for 2 years ....you could not make this shiz up could you

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/ricky-jones-labour-councilor-trial-riots-delay-b1205817.html

[Crimson Dynamo]

It's a joke

[Parmy]

Sorry what....Ricky...cut their throats.....Jones trial has been delayed until 11th August :joker: meanwhile Joe threw a stone at police and it didn't land anywhere near Bloggs is in prison for 2 years ....you could not make this shiz up could you

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/ricky-jones-labour-councilor-trial-riots-delay-b1205817.html



Disgusting left wing nazism. See on saturday in london, there was the national support palastine protest.

On that a section 12 was in place, which basically means protestors cant be in a certain area at a certain time. It was ignored by a large contingent of protestors, and the police were very lax in enforcing it. (It was in place so parading squadrons of young army cadets could do their full annual parade with bagpipes and everything could take place) The agreement was the palistine protest could be there, then leave, then come back for the speeches. They were only asked to move up the road a bit.

Anyway, no mass arrests for breaching the section 12.


Now think back to the 1st protest in London the weekend after the southport terror attack, where you had people just feeling like enough was enough, and they just had to make a presence at the protest. It was peacefull.

Yet the police had a secret section 12 in place and didnt share with that protest, like they did with saturdays palastine one.


So that day, instead of slowly and peacefully accepting the breach, they kettled about 200 people and arrested the lot. Old men, church going old women, youtubers, etc..

2 tier policing..again.

[Cherie]

Anthony Esan's trial has also been delayed

https://www.kentonline.co.uk/medway/news/trial-delayed-for-man-accused-of-trying-to-stab-soldier-to-d-317845/

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[Alf]

1881365011857334635

[arista]

Yes Alf,
PM Starmer needs to speak of this mess

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ghv1MtXWIAA_hsA?format=jpg&name=900x900

[arista]

PM Starmer
went LIVE at 8:35AM


He is now setting up a New Enquiry
into this Terrorism Loner Attack.

He also stated he will,
change the Law on this
to update it

[joeysteele]

The right move from Starmer on this.

[Vanessa]

Look at him, he's clearly a psychopath. Evil.

[Parmy]

The right move from Starmer on this.

Hes only done it do he can point the finger of blame at the previous government.

Hes gutless, cowardly and slimy.

[joeysteele]

Look at him, he's clearly a psychopath. Evil.

It appears he's been rather troublesome from a very young age.
Yet nothing much done as to him over all those years.

[GoldHeart]

It appears he's been rather troublesome from a very young age.
Yet nothing much done as to him over all those years.

This is the question ,why do these things go undetected or covered up until horrible outcomes happen.

[Crimson Dynamo]

REMEMBER THIS FROM THE MSM?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GhvoCmgWAAA-5ii?format=png&name=small

[Oliver_W]

Well I doubt he did it to spare the families a trial...

Ricin, a manual on Jihad, but they couldn't say it was terrorism, then they wonder why people riot

Apparently his lawyer wasn't even going to make a defence :joker: so god knows what the proceedings would have looked like.

[Oliver_W]

Look at him, he's clearly a psychopath. Evil.

Yes but he's the PM ...

[Vanessa]

:hehe:Yes but he's the PM ...

[arista]

The Terrorists Family
have now moved house
under Police advice.


SkyNewsHD report

[Crimson Dynamo]

The Terrorists Family
have now moved house
under Police advice.


SkyNewsHD report

Good to see that the Police are providing them with protection....

[Livia]

The Terrorists Family
have now moved house
under Police advice.


SkyNewsHD report

Of course they have.

[Parmy]

The Terrorists Family
have now moved house
under Police advice.


SkyNewsHD report

The dad should have been moved direct to jail, no passing go.

[arista]

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[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2025/01/21/12/94344633-14308387-image-a-14_1737462440101.jpg


[This is the karate expert father
of Axel Rudakubana
who was helpless to prevent his killer son
from becoming obsessed with
extreme violence, MailOnline can reveal today.

Alphonse Rudakubana, a former soldier in the
Rwanda Patriotic Front, and the rest
of the family have been left 'devastated'
by the atrocity he inflicted and are now in
hiding after police moved them for
their own safety, it has emerged.

The evangelical church attended by
his father Alphonse said his parents had
been 'saddened and shocked at the
terrible attack' in Southport – and revealed
that Axel, who was often heard
by neighbours singing hymns,
had never attended its gatherings.]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14308387/southport-killer-axel-rudakubana-father-hiding-family.html

[Alf]

Starmer needs to resign yesterday.

This cover-up is horrific.

Borris was gone over a slice of cake at a party.

[Ray.]

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Seriousy, the ability to buy a knife is what we're focusing on as a result of all this...:joker: What a clownshow of a country we've become.

[Alf]

Fook this guy.

The three little girls lives will always shine brighter than this scum.

Proper justice needs to be served for what this scum did. We owe it to these girls.

Every sane human being should be wanting the maximum penalty and more.

[Zizu]

Fook this guy.

The three little girls lives will always shine brighter than this scum.

Proper justice needs to be served for what this scum did. We owe it to these girls.

Every sane human being should be wanting the maximum penalty and more.


I would have strung him up the same day

[arista]

BBC News Text:
[Sir Keir is further quoted by the Metro
saying that, in the past,
the "predominant threat was highly
organised political groups with
clear political intent" like al-Qaeda and that,
while that threat remains,
a new one is posed by people
"desperate for notoriety,
sometimes inspired by traditional terrorist groups,
but fixated on that extreme violence,
seemingly for its own sake".]



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[Vanessa]

This could have neen prevented. His behavior was flagged at least three times and nothing was done about it.

[Ammi]

…the sentencing today, I think…

[Oliver_W]

This could have neen prevented. His behavior was flagged at least three times and nothing was done about it.

And the police had been called to his home five times.

And he had previously carried out an armed attacked at his school.

It's just institutional failings all round.

[Cherie]

…the sentencing today, I think…

As he was 17 when he committed the crime, he can't get life

[Crimson Dynamo]

The idea Amazon is to blame for selling the knife shows that this government
from the PM and Home Secretary down will go to any lengths to deflect the
blame for what happened. If for some reason Amazon had said no all he had to
do was go into the kitchen drawer. It is absurd and too much of the Main Stream media has fallen for this spin.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gh7gLevXYAASpH6?format=jpg&name=small

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gh7yz9VXAAA5wzK?format=jpg&name=small

[Cherie]

The idea Amazon is to blame for selling the knife shows that this government
from the PM and Home Secretary down will go to any lengths to deflect the
blame for what happened. If for some reason Amazon had said no all he had to
do was go into the kitchen drawer. It is absurd and too much of the Main Stream media has fallen for this spin.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gh7gLevXYAASpH6?format=jpg&name=small

A ridiculous deflection, apart from that Starmer says this is a new threat...lone wolfs....mmm Westminster Bridge..... Fishmongers..... Lee Rigby all killed by lone wolves...its not new

[Oliver_W]

Weren't a lot (most/all) of the cock-ups under the Tories anyway?

When it comes to Prevent, from what I hear as he didn't (at the time) have any specific ideology on which his behaviour could be "blamed", there was only so much toward which their jurisdiction reached.

[Livia]

A ridiculous deflection, apart from that Starmer says this is a new threat...lone wolfs....mmm Westminster Bridge..... Fishmongers..... Lee Rigby all killed by lone wolves...its not new

I have to say, I hate the term Lone Wolf. If gives these misfits an air of glamour they just don't deserve. Lone Rats, i could live with. I remember the Islamic terrorist murderer who was a white woman and was was dubbed by the press 'The White Widow'. Sounds like an adversary of Batman or something. I think we should call them what they are, terrorist scum.

[arista]

…the sentencing today, I think…


Yes the Evil killer
was taken into the court via the back door

[arista]

A ridiculous deflection, apart from that Starmer says this is a new threat...lone wolfs....mmm Westminster Bridge..... Fishmongers..... Lee Rigby all killed by lone wolves...its not new


Yes that was Evil
A Soldier, standing on Duty
on his own.

In London.

[arista]

The Killer has now been removed from Court
he shouted he was sick.


He Disrupted the Court Proceedings

[Livia]

The Killer has now been removed from Court
he shouted he was sick.

IMO he should be gagged and straight-jacketed and made to be there for his sentencing. He should not be able to dictate terms after what he did.

[arista]

BBC Site claims he went to Hospital
early today.

Police confirmed he did not

SkyNewsHD Live Liverpool Court

[arista]

Reports
The judge wants the Killer brought back to
Court for sentencing.

[Cherie]

Reports
The judge wants the Killer brought back to
Court for sentencing.

Yes he needs to be brought back, the terror he inflicted on the dance class will live long in the memories of those who survived, we should not be kow towing to him and his needs, he pre planned it....it was not a moment of madness

[joeysteele]

The sad thing is the sentencing and what he'll be given as a minimum term.
Will likely never be an appropriate one for this vile crime of this individual.

Because of his age.

[Cherie]

Child-killer Axel Rudakubana said he was “so happy” and it was a “good thing those children are dead” after stabbing to death three young girls in the Southport attack, a court has heard.

The 18-year-old faces life in prison for a knife rampage at a children’s Taylor Swift themed dance class in Southport on July 29 last year.

Rudakubana armed himself with a large kitchen knife, he took a taxi to the dance studio, and started stabbing children at random.

Three - Alice da Silva Aguiar, nine, Bebe King, six, and Elsie Dot Stancombe, seven – died of the injuries inflicted by Rudakubana.

Eight other children were injured, as well as two adults, dance class instructor Leanne Lucas and businessman John Hayes, who tried to intervene to stop the attack.

At the sentencing hearing, prosecutor Deanna Heer KC said Rudakubana was behind a “pre-meditated, planned knife attack upon multiple victims, principally young girls, intending to kill them. Three children were killed, two of those children suffered particularly horrific injuries which are difficult to explain as anything other than sadistic in nature.

“He also attempted to kill ten others, inflicting a number of stab wounds upon them, including to their backs, suggesting they were inflicted as they tried to escape.

[arista]

The Judge has confirmed
the killer was seen by a medical aid
and is fine to attend court.

Ref: BBC2HD Politics Live

[arista]

[Child-killer Axel Rudakubana said he was
“so happy” and it was a “good thing those
children are dead” after stabbing to death
three young girls in the Southport attack,
a court has heard.]


Yes SkyNewsHD said
he told the Police that after the arrest

[UserSince2005]

get him in prison and let his inmates sort him out, he wont make it even few months, thankfully. I hope it is as butual as possible.

[arista]

There is now a 40mins delay
in this case,
the killer causing trouble
and is now below the court in a cell.

[arista]

LT
that 9/11 photo text
is wrong.

Those two planes were on normal routes
but taken over by clever Terrorists

[arista]

There is now a Break at the Court
Starts again at 2PM today

[arista]

In Court a Teen young girl
in a screen telling them what she watched


She can not be named

[Crimson Dynamo]

‘What should I do if I want to kill somebody?’, killer asked Childline

[Crimson Dynamo]

Axel Rudakubana stabbed one of his victims at least 122 times.

[arista]

Axel Rudakubana stabbed one of his victims at least 122 times.


Evil

[arista]

Mark White reports
the killers lawyer has said he has not eaten
that last few days

[Cherie]

So the Dad must have known his intentions as he stopped him getting into a taxi the previous week to go to the school he was expelled from to carry out a similar atrocity? why was he not sectioned at this point? I don't understand

[Cherie]

Mark White reports
the killers lawyer has said has not eaten
that last few days

Deliberate so he could kick up a fuss in court, he is conniving

He has been removed from court for a second time and keeps asking for a paramedic

[arista]

So the Dad must have known his intentions as he stopped him getting into a taxi the previous week to go to the school he was expelled from to carry out an a similar atrocity? why was he not sectioned at this point? I don't understand


Yes his Dad
has a lot to answer

But he is now in hiding

[arista]

Deliberate so he could kick up a fuss in court, he is conniving

He has been removed from court for a second time and keeps asking for a paramedic



Yes it appears to be a plan

[Cherie]

Yes his Dad
has a lot to answer

But he is now in hiding

I have had sympathy for the family as I thought they could not have known what his plans were but it appears they did but did nothing to stop it..

[Crimson Dynamo]

Alice’s mother ‘hopes life is shortened so they can be together again’
A statement on behalf of Alice Da Silva Aguiar’s family has been read out.

Her parents said they “kept their hopes up every second during Alice’s 14-hour fight but once she had lost her fight, we lost our lives.”

They said that “the simple joys of life can no longer be enjoyed because it feels like there’s no point.”

The court heard that Alice’s mother “often thinks about going to meet her or hopes that life is shortened so they can be together
again.”

They said that “cooking brings out fear sometimes. Especially when [Alice’s mother] is holding a knife and the thought seems so tempting. We were used to cook for three but now only cook for two and it doesn’t seem right. Our only child. She was everything for us”.

Her mother is unable to go to the toilet at night without her husband there as she finds the dark so terrifying.

They continued: “Grief has taken away any sense of meaning we once had and replaced by constant numbness. It’s hard to feel happy, to enjoy the music and to see the good in life when the centre of our universe has been taken.

“Going out doesn’t feel as safe and any attempts to lighten up, a smile and a laugh are quickly met by regret and guilt. How can we ever smile if Alice is not here?”

[Parmy]

Heartbreaking.


And people in this thread at the start were telling others they shouldnt be full of hate for this ****.

Hang your heads in shame.

[arista]

The Judge now Live
giving the sentence.

The Feed is Cut
due to the graphic reading

[Glenn.]

Heartbreaking.


And people in this thread at the start were telling others they shouldnt be full of hate for this ****.

Hang your heads in shame.


No one was saying he shouldn’t be hated.

Everyone was more concerned about the colour of skin and what country he came from than what he did.



Whats his nationality ?


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If the man is an illegal migrant they will do everything they can to lie and cover this up. If he is a white national they will throw him to the wolves..

:idc:

Surely one witness has talked to the media and given a description of what the man looks like?

Or have the Police/MSM nobbled them?

When they say mental health issues it's usually asylum seekers. For some reason they're protected and allowed to do as they please. Disgusting.

I get the feeling if he was a white national we would know by now

bit like that illegal who stabbed kids in Ireland and they kept that quiet for ages, i think it was 1 month?

I think people are worried about this person being an illegal migrant because we've let in so many in the last few years and know nothing about them. They number around three times the strength of our current standing army. No one's more worried about his nationality than they are about the children who died and were injured, but the continued violence from illegals is very concerning.

my bad he was an unemployed migrant on benefits and they kept his name out the media for a month

no they said from Cardiff

not born in Cardiff

unless they have updated this?

if so please provide evidence

"The youth, who cannot be named for legal reasons and is originally from Cardiff, moved
to the Southport area with his Rwandan parents when he was aged six."

oh

we have a massive problem in the UK and its time it was addressed and not excused to try and win some imaginary culture war

Jesus wept

[Parmy]

People were correct to ask...wouldnt you agree?

At least the people asking the questions offered sympathy to the families.


Unlike some who didnt and havnt offered any in any way, shape or form in this thread.

Deciding to simply use the thread to attack other members opinions.

[arista]

Good
the Judge just said the killer
will never leave Prison.

[Livia]

I hope every day of the sentence is torture for him.

[Gusto Brunt]

Those concurrent sentences are meaningless because they're running alonside each other. :fist::fist:

Pointless.:fist::fist:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Rudakubana sentenced to minimum of 52 years in prison

Mr Justice Goose said: “He will serve almost the whole of his life in custody. I consider it
likely he will never be released and he will be in custody for all of his life.”

[joeysteele]

It's good that he's unlikely to get released even late in his adult life.
It's not impossible with the age he is now.

52 years in total for 3 horrific murders of children who were defenceless.

Although he WILL have over his time now, a nightmare time in prison being a child killer.

[UserSince2005]

Good
the Judge just said the killer
will never leave Prison.

he will be leaving in a body bag within a month, with any luck.

[Parmy]

It's good that he's unlikely to get released even late in his adult life.
It's not impossible with the age he is now.

52 years in total for 3 horrific murders of children who were defenceless.

Although he WILL have over his time now, a nightmare time in prison being a child killer.



You would like to think so wouldnt you..unfortunatly that wont happen. He will be housed in a secure unit, with all the comforts of home. Protected 24/7.

Only thing he wont have is his freedom.

[Oliver_W]

It's good that he's unlikely to get released even late in his adult life.
It's not impossible with the age he is now.

52 years in total for 3 horrific murders of children who were defenceless.

Although he WILL have over his time now, a nightmare time in prison being a child killer.

he will be leaving in a body bag within a month, with any luck.

He'd probably be in the nonce wing for safety.

[Crimson Dynamo]

here he is entering the dance class from the taxi

TEDyvQ82nO8

[Livia]

Child murderers including Urfan Sharif, Ian Huntley, Ian Brady, Rose West, Roy Whiting and more have all been attacked in prison by other inmates. Frankly I don't have a problem with it.