[Kizzy]

'Two things have been clear for years: a) Katie Hopkins has cleverly built a popular, personal brand on provocative views that tend to to demonise people she doesn’t like, and get a rise out of people who don’t like her; b) the best way to respond is not to respond at all.
That’s fine - Hopkins has children to feed and dress - and we can unfollow her, and avoid what she writes and says. Free country, free speech. Just look the other way.

But when a national newspaper, which gives this brand an audience of two million people, happily prints language that might give Hitler pause, is that still OK? Or is it worth responding this time, even if she’ll love every minute?

A bit strong to compare Hopkins to Hitler? Read her column on page 11 of yesterday’s Sun.

“Rescue boats? I’d use gunships to stop migrants”. That was The Sun's headline, written apparently without concern.

She then refers to migrants in Calais who try to board trucks heading to Britain as “a plague of feral humans”.

You have to ask why this woman is given the platform she is, the sun and now LBC... Why?
I know there's a joke during internet conversations that they ultimately lead to Godwins law, but in this instance it does appear to have credence.

“Make no mistake, these migrants are like cockroaches. They might look a bit “Bob Geldof’s Ethiopia circa 1984”, but they are built to survive a nuclear bomb. They are survivors”.
In the environment that led to creation of the Third Reich in Germany, Polish people were seen as "an East European species of cockroach", while Jews were rats.
When Hutu extremists used radio propaganda to incite violence against the Tutsis during the Rwandan Genocide, they called on people to “weed out the cockroaches.”

Even before we consider her words in relation to the legal definition of racial hatred, The Sun has a responsibility to decide where to draw the line.

Personally I feel it is a well orchestrated plan to dehumanise subgroups; refugees, migrants, and also to similar though covert extent the disabled and the unemployed.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/...-10186490.html

[Crimson Dynamo]

or we could just focus on the real problem which is the migrants that we cant keep out?

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

or we could just focus on the real problem which is the migrants that we cant keep out?

please tell me this is a joke post

[billy123]

Originally Posted by Jack_

please tell me this is a joke post

Nope we have a right wing extremist amongst us and he isnt the only one sadly. Tibb is a weird little place these days.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by bobnot

Nope we have a right wing extremist amongst us and he isnt the only one sadly. Tibb is a weird little place these days.

[lily.]

Originally Posted by bobnot

Nope we have a right wing extremist amongst us and he isnt the only one sadly. Tibb is a weird little place these days.

"these days"? ... it's always been weird here. lol

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Jack_

please tell me this is a joke post

No there is a real problem with migrants trying to sneak into britain in lorrys. The mayor of calais is at her wits end as are the lorry drivers

http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...urope-migrants

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...-pictures.html


I would hate to be a lorry driver on that route

[Crimson Dynamo]

30,000 migrants heading for UK are held in Calais: Record numbers have been stopped at borders since April last year

• Numbers of migrants detected at the border has doubled in a year
• Experts say number who actually reached Britain was likely to be far higher
• Not a single person arriving by train or coach is so far counted in and out
• Migrants attracted to UK by work, free health care and generous benefits

Record numbers of illegal migrants are being stopped at UK borders, it was revealed last night. Senior officials said 36,000 unlawful stowaways had been discovered since last April.



Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz3XgJpBgqM

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

30,000 migrants heading for UK are held in Calais: Record numbers have been stopped at borders since April last year

• Numbers of migrants detected at the border has doubled in a year
• Experts say number who actually reached Britain was likely to be far higher
• Not a single person arriving by train or coach is so far counted in and out
• Migrants attracted to UK by work, free health care and generous benefits

Record numbers of illegal migrants are being stopped at UK borders, it was revealed last night. Senior officials said 36,000 unlawful stowaways had been discovered since last April.



Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz3XgJpBgqM

Just as with the 'refugees' and 'asylum seekers' - why are 99.9% of these immigrants MEN?

Actually, I like the term; 'Asylum seeker' better, because if Farage does not do well, then these 'Seekers' will continue to not only find this 'Asylum' but continue to FLOOD INTO IT.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

or we could just focus on the real problem which is the migrants that we cant keep out?

I think that bigoted idiots that are trying to insight riots on the streets like Hopkins are a much bigger deal personally.

And the immigrants that you should worry about are third worlders, not other Europeans.

[Kizzy]

No, in this thread I would like to focus on this.

[Crimson Dynamo]

what the Reductio ad Hitlerum

oh yeah

[Kizzy]

No, the concerns as expressed regarding the hate propaganda exhibited in the mainstream media by this individual.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

No, the concerns as expressed regarding the hate propaganda exhibited in the mainstream media by this individual.

It is terrible, but I suppose at least she is not inciting people to go out and slaughter the immigrants the way that some of those very same immigrants incited their brothers to go out and slaughter we BRITISH from the pulpits and rostrums of BRITISH MOSQUES and UNIVERSITIES.

I suppose we must at least be thankful for that.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

I agree Nedusa - I have NO time for Katie Hopkins but I wonder how many times the man who reported her to the Metropolitan police - Chair of the Society of Black Lawyers, D Peter Herbert O.B.E. - reported Islamic Hate preachers such as Anjem Choudary, Mizanur Rahman, and Abu Hamza?

As I said before, Kopkins is not actually inciting people to go out and slaughter these immigrants the way the above Islamics daily urged their followers to go out and kill British people (among others).

Strange country this now with strange sensibilities.

Because he's not reported Anjem Choudary, Mizanur Rahman, and Abu Hamza, his points about this particular incident don't matter? You could say that about anybody who reports/complains about anything

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Because he's not reported Anjem Choudary, Mizanur Rahman, and Abu Hamza, his points about this particular incident don't matter? You could say that about anybody who reports/complains about anything

No - I did NOT say that Niamh.

I don't even know if he did or didn't report Choudary and company, but all I was saying is that there have been FAR greater HATE crimes than Hopkins one, perpetrated on a daily basis in the UK for years, yet we do not hear of similar letters from The Society of Black Lawyers to the Metropolitan Police - or at least I can find no examples.

One offence does not negate another, but though this 'letter' is definitely warranted - it's motives appear rather partisan to me.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

No - I did NOT say that Niamh.

I don't even know if he did or didn't report Choudary and company, but all I was saying is that there have been FAR greater HATE crimes than Hopkins one, perpetrated on a daily basis in the UK for years, yet we do not hear of similar letters from The Society of Black Lawyers to the Metropolitan Police - or at least I can find no examples.

One offence does not negate another, but though this 'letter' is definitely warranted - it's motives appear rather partisan to me.

Why bring it up then if not to try to discredit the man and his complaint about Katie Hopkins and the Sun Editor?

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Why bring it up then if not to try to discredit the man and his complaint about Katie Hopkins and the Sun Editor?

I'm sorry, but I really don't understand what you mean? What I meant by my post was; does this 'Black Lawyer' find Hopkins comments against immigrants more offensive than Immigrant Islamic Preacher's Hate Speeches against the British? And if so, WHY? when Hopkins comments - though offensive - are far more benign in comparison than Choudary's or Hamza's?

Hate Speech is Hate Speech, and I would find D. Peter Herbert's reporting of Hopkins far more acceptable and 'noble' if I was assured that he had been as equally moved and incensed by the far more serious Hate Speeches of Hamza and company and had similarly reported them.

In a similar vein, I am a Christian, but I find ISIS beheadings of ANY innocent victims evil and atrocious - no matter what the Nationality, Colour, Race or Faith of those victims - and I have posted as much accordingly.

Just my opinion.

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

The UK, Liberal is not a dirty word despite what the right wing media tell you Nedusa, I am far from naive thankyou, take the plank from your own eye maybe?
The feeling among the families of migrants is always the strongest on immigration strangely.

I cannot help but keep repeating myself, but I will say it again for you and for Girth, I don't have a problem with controlled immigration the likes UKIP are suggesting. Based on the Aussie system eg.. where the Country takes the people with skills it needs at any given point in time.

We all (myself included) have come from immigrants at some point, that's not the problem , the problem is rapid uncontrolled immigration into a small and already overstretched Island where the infrastructure is already full to bursting.

That is why we cannot accept thousands upon thousands of new immigrants from Sub Saharan Africa. People who think it's the Holy Grail to come and live in Britain.

It isn't, the UK has more than it's fair share of problems, I mean where are all these people supposed to live ? there is no Social housing for the people already here in fact we already have a vast shortage of housing.

So where are all these new immigrants going to stay ? Do you have a spare room ? perhaps you could house a couple or they could camp in your garden. I mean it's ridiculous.......

This is exactly why I support UKIP and their main policy of exiting the EU with its dangerous open doors policy to immigration.

The sooner we exit the better, and the sooner we double or triple the numbers in our UK Border Control service the better.

This one issue is so so serious I cannot overstate it.....

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

The UK, Liberal is not a dirty word despite what the right wing media tell you Nedusa, I am far from naive thankyou, take the plank from your own eye maybe?
The feeling among the families of migrants is always the strongest on immigration strangely.

The extreme Left are the biggest danger to this country's future NOT the extreme Right - in my opinion.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

The extreme Left are the biggest danger to this country's future NOT the extreme Right - in my opinion.

Of course it is Kirk, because you would personally be happy living under a right wing regime. What you're talking about is not the "biggest danger to this country" it's "the biggest danger to you personally regarding what you want this country to be".

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Of course it is Kirk, because you would personally be happy living under a right wing regime. What you're talking about is not the "biggest danger to this country" it's "the biggest danger to you personally regarding what you want this country to be".

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Of course it is Kirk, because you would personally be happy living under a right wing regime. What you're talking about is not the "biggest danger to this country" it's "the biggest danger to you personally regarding what you want this country to be".

Very well said, I don't get this far left nonsense at all and the determination of demonisation of same as to them being a danger, it seems the extreme and uncompromising actually come from the far right more than the left.

The left seem to want to stand up for injustice, those who cannot speak for themselves, to be in unity with more organisations of the World than to be separatist.

In the UK which has at present one of the most extreme and heartless right wing govts; for me the sooner the 'left' can take over the better.

You would think it only had to be that those powerful and rich know better and also should be the only ones allowed to run the Country.
Not a one party state but government that 'only' can come from the right and far right.
Hardly democratic.
That the views of the right are totally valid and those on the left should be silent,absolutely pathetic.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

The extreme Left are the biggest danger to this country's future NOT the extreme Right - in my opinion.

So you support the far right opinion?

[lily.]

It's an opinion column. She is entitled to her opinion. You don't have to agree with her. You don't even have to like her. I don't tend to read any of her columns, because she only writes these things for a reaction anyway.