[Stephanie]

[Niamh.]

hhhhmmmmm, good question Stephanie (If you believe in hell that is!!)

[Stu]

You mean Afghanistan?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Stu

You mean Afghanistan?

haha

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by Stephanie

What exactly do you mean by that question? Surely you can't think there is any reason for our soldiers to go to hell?

[Stephanie]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

What exactly do you mean by that question? Surely you can't think there is any reason for our soldiers to go to hell?

killing people lol..

[Crimson Dynamo]

If you are talking Biblically and by hell do you mean eternally being apart from God


yes they do

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

What exactly do you mean by that question? Surely you can't think there is any reason for our soldiers to go to hell?

well, killing someone is a sin according to the 10 commandments and they do kill people, I don't believe in hell anyway!

[arista]

No


Blair the War Criminal that got us in this Utter Mess
goes to Double Hell.

[Stu]

They may not be going to hell, but it shouldn't bother them. After all, they volunteered to send themselves out to do a job where possible loss of ego, loss of limbs, loss of confidence, mental breakdown, family separation, death by RV, death by gunshot wounds, death by disease, and death by landmine are all plausible risks. All under some fake pretense of 'honor' for the country. It's just stupidity. They aint' the sharpest in the land, let's face it.

Let other idiots do the job. Sending yourself out to war is unfair to both yourself and everyone you know. I know the adverts they market to sixteen year old's on MTV & Viva don't show it that way, but it's the truth. It's like the argument about letting gay's in the military people always had. Who cares? Anybody dumb enough to want to join the military should be let in.

[Tom4784]

I suppose it depends on whether you believe in Hell and if a commandment has loopholes. Is a soldier killing an enemy considered murder or self defense? If it is murder are they to blame as they are only following orders?

I don't think soliders would go to hell if it exists, unless they killed innocents or something. I don't believe if there is a hell it'd be so black and white as to damn a person so easily. But then again what do I know? The path to ruin's paved with good intentions afterall.

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by Stephanie

killing people lol..

They were sent by our government! You do understand that they have little choice don't you? Most don't want to be there! They are being forced by the government to risk their lives for the sake of the people of Afghanistan and for the political interests of our government! Those soldiers are heroes!

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

They were sent by our government! You do understand that they have little choice don't you? Most don't want to be there! They are being forced by the government to risk their lives for the sake of the people of Afghanistan and for the political interests of our government! Those soldiers are heroes!

That's one war you're talking about, she's talking about soldiers in general.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

They were sent by our government! You do understand that they have little choice don't you? Most don't want to be there! They are being forced by the government to risk their lives for the sake of the people of Afghanistan and for the political interests of our government! Those soldiers are heroes!

But coming from a Biblical standpoint, I can see where she is coming from. I didn't know 'Thou Shalt Not Kill' had a footnote.

As for soldiers being forced into war, common sense would dictate not to join the army. War being one of the armies primary activities. I would rather work a red light district in Amsterdam. At least that way I could be a prostitute on my own terms.

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by Stu

They may not be going to hell, but it shouldn't bother them. After all, they volunteered to send themselves out to do a job where possible loss of ego, loss of limbs, loss of confidence, mental breakdown, family separation, death by RV, death by gunshot wounds, death by disease, and death by landmine are all plausible risks. All under some fake pretense of 'honor' for the country. It's just stupidity. They aint' the sharpest in the land, let's face it.

Let other idiots do the job. Sending yourself out to war is unfair to both yourself and everyone you know. I know the adverts they market to sixteen year old's on MTV & Viva don't show it that way, but it's the truth. It's like the argument about letting gay's in the military people always had. Who cares? Anybody dumb enough to want to join the military should be let in.

Have you ever thought that the country has to have a military force. Without those that volunteer to join the forces - national service would be introduced - which would mean that probably all blokes between the ages of 18 and 40 would be enlisted whether they wanted to or not! All the cowards would be forced to risk their necks for a change - instead of sitting around ridiculing the brave ones that do.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Stu

But coming from a Biblical standpoint, I can see where she is coming from. I didn't know 'Thou Shalt Not Kill' had a footnote.

"Thou shall not Kill" - terms & conditions apply

[Stu]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

Have you ever thought that the country has to have a military force. Without those that volunteer to join the forces - national service would be introduced - which would mean that probably all blokes between the ages of 18 and 40 would be enlisted whether they wanted to or not! All the cowards would be forced to risk their necks for a change - instead of sitting around ridiculing the brave ones that do.

I already covered that point when I said 'let other idiots do the job'. People still join the army. My words certainly wont stop them. I don't think there is anything brave about it. And I certainly don't think not wanting to join the army and not wanting your mother to read mail detailing your death counts as making you a fucking coward, for christ sake.

Originally Posted by Niamhxo

"Thou shall not Kill" - terms & conditions apply

[Stephanie]

if they want to join the army then it's their fault if they get blown up tbh
kinda stupid, not brave.

[Tom]

Originally Posted by Stu

They may not be going to hell, but it shouldn't bother them. After all, they volunteered to send themselves out to do a job where possible loss of ego, loss of limbs, loss of confidence, mental breakdown, family separation, death by RV, death by gunshot wounds, death by disease, and death by landmine are all plausible risks. All under some fake pretense of 'honor' for the country. It's just stupidity. They aint' the sharpest in the land, let's face it.

Let other idiots do the job. Sending yourself out to war is unfair to both yourself and everyone you know. I know the adverts they market to sixteen year old's on MTV & Viva don't show it that way, but it's the truth. It's like the argument about letting gay's in the military people always had. Who cares? Anybody dumb enough to want to join the military should be let in.

I think you're tarring too many people with the same brush here. I was in the RAF when I was younger and rejoined again recently (but dropped back out again ), went through a hell of a lot of training and tbh was pretty set on it. And although I passed some course and got stuck on a reserve list for a few years/months down the line, I quit because of everything in bold. It is a voluntary job and people shouldn't forget that. E.g. if you take the Facebook group with almost 1m members about Soldiers deserving footballers wages, do they hell. They chose to do that job, they could've done something else. They know the risks, its all drilled into you time and time again. You're brainwashed into believing it is the right thing to do and you're fighting for your country.

[setanta]

Originally Posted by Stu

But coming from a Biblical standpoint, I can see where she is coming from. I didn't know 'Thou Shalt Not Kill' had a footnote.

As for soldiers being forced into war, common sense would dictate not to join the army. War being one of the armies primary activities. I would rather work a red light district in Amsterdam. At least that way I could be a prostitute on my own terms.

It's mandatory in some countries to serve for a certain length of time.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by setanta

It's mandatory in some countries to serve for a certain length of time.

not in Britain though

[setanta]

Originally Posted by Niamhxo

not in Britain though

But sure Stu isn't in Britain so I thought it was an interesting point to mention.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by setanta

But sure Stu isn't in Britain so I thought it was an interesting point to mention.

ok, not in Ireland either but I know you're right

[Stu]

Originally Posted by Tom

I think you're tarring too many people with the same brush here. I was in the RAF when I was younger and rejoined again recently (but dropped back out again ), went through a hell of a lot of training and tbh was pretty set on it. And although I passed some course and got stuck on a reserve list for a few years/months down the line, I quit because of everything in bold. It is a voluntary job and people shouldn't forget that. E.g. if you take the Facebook group with almost 1m members about Soldiers deserving footballers wages, do they hell. They chose to do that job, they could've done something else. They know the risks, its all drilled into you time and time again. You're brainwashed into believing it is the right thing to do and you're fighting for your country.

Aye, I know it's voluntary but your right, there is a brainwash element to it. I know they don't all get blown to smithereens, but it's a risk personally I would not take. What really disgusts me is these snazzy ads they put out all day long on channels watched by young teenagers. That I find disgusting. Then in places like America when someone shoots up a fucking school it's a rock musicians fault! The hypocrisy is endless! Don't take that puff, talk to Frank instead, but come to Afghanistan!

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by Stephanie

if they want to join the army then it's their fault if they get blown up tbh
kinda stupid, not brave.

Stupid little girl - understand what the hell you are talking about before making comments like that. Go and tell that to the parents of all those brave young soldiers we have lost!