[farhad]

This guy raises some good points regarding if it is genetics or social influences

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEUAo4tQ4m0

[the truth]

no one is allowed to discuss it. you have got to say its all fine totally healthy totally as natural as man and woman or were labelled bigots. if you want a real discussion best to live in a different country

[farhad]

It's good to share thoughts and opinion on topics such as that.

[Shaun]

Originally Posted by the truth

no one is allowed to discuss it. you have got to say its all fine totally healthy totally as natural as man and woman or were labelled bigots. if you want a real discussion best to live in a different country

how galling for you, them homos expecting to be treated like everyone else.

[Me. I Am Salman]

Jack and Joe from Big Brother is evidence sexuality is not genetic (and I mean gay and straight) since they're identical twins. It's shaped at an early age and people have no control over it

[LikeABoatOnWater]

I think genetics determine how predisposed you are to being homosexual, and then the things that happen to you in your life up until puberty determine if your gay or not.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Shaun

how galling for you, them homos expecting to be treated like everyone else.

wrong again....everyone else is allowed to be criticized.

[fruit_cake]

Originally Posted by the truth

no one is allowed to discuss it. you have got to say its all fine totally healthy totally as natural as man and woman or were labelled bigots. if you want a real discussion best to live in a different country

Don't you think you're jumping the gun a little there? I for one am perfectly happy to have a discussion about it. I think people are entitled to their views and as long as they remain that, only views, and not actions, they can believe what they jolly well like afaiac

[Conzors]

neither.
is heterosexuality genetic or a social influence? no.

i hate the way its made into some big thing and just because people like the same gender there HAS to be a reason behind it, whether its social or genetically, whereas straight people are fine, there doesn't have to be a reason behind it people just accept it, because apparently its the 'normal' way of living.

Why not try and find out if heterosexuality is genetically or socially influenced...

Originally Posted by Conzors

neither.
is heterosexuality genetic or a social influence? no.

i hate the way its made into some big thing and just because people like the same gender there HAS to be a reason behind it, whether its social or genetically, whereas straight people are fine, there doesn't have to be a reason behind it people just accept it, because apparently its the 'normal' way of living.

Why not try and find out if heterosexuality is genetically or socially influenced...

Heterosexuality is evolutionary "normal", so homosexuality viewed in the context of any species, is an anomaly that could potentially have repercussions for the survival of the species.

So you see, it probably does need to be explained. Genetically, homosexuality is a terrible thing. Our genes drive us towards puberty, so we can become fertile and reproduce, then they keep us around long enough to raise that child.

Don't confuse modern opinions on homosexuality with the evolution of species to be able to reproduce.

[farhad]

Originally Posted by Conzors

neither.
is heterosexuality genetic or a social influence? no.

i hate the way its made into some big thing and just because people like the same gender there HAS to be a reason behind it, whether its social or genetically, whereas straight people are fine, there doesn't have to be a reason behind it people just accept it, because apparently its the 'normal' way of living.

Why not try and find out if heterosexuality is genetically or socially influenced...

You wouldn't be in this world without heterosexual connection, so I find this logic very flawed. As in the video i see some good points raised that pornography has an effect on ones mind psychologically people begin to build unnatural thoughts.

[Z]

Personally I think homosexuality is part of a larger group of natural responses to human over-population. Plagues (ranging from the Black Death to Swine Flu), cancers, organ failures, AIDS, homosexuality, infertility, obesity and related problems... the world is too full, resources are running out and it's my belief that the world is a self sustaining eco system and there are too many people on it. I have no science or religion to back me up, to me, it just makes sense. It's like when there are lots of rabbits; there will be more predators breeding to take advantage of that - and when there are fewer rabbits, there are fewer predators. Humans don't have any natural predators, so nature itself has to take care of our overpopulation. Natural disasters often wipe out lots of people. Perhaps this is crazy but to me it makes perfect sense.

So in the end, I don't think it's important whether homosexuality is genetic or a societal construct. Homosexual people are who they are and no amount of persecution is going to make it go away. Gay people don't give birth to gay people. Heterosexual people give birth to homosexual people. It's a seemingly random spread of who is and who isn't, in the same way that you can't predict who's going to have cancer or fertility problems or whatever else life can throw at a person.

[_Seth]

Originally Posted by Salman!

Jack and Joe from Big Brother is evidence sexuality is not genetic (and I mean gay and straight) since they're identical twins. It's shaped at an early age and people have no control over it

But then they would have had the exact same social influences.

It's really disappointing that people still don't understand evolution.

[farhad]

Originally Posted by Zee

Personally I think homosexuality is part of a larger group of natural responses to human over-population. Plagues (ranging from the Black Death to Swine Flu), cancers, organ failures, AIDS, homosexuality, infertility, obesity and related problems... the world is too full, resources are running out and it's my belief that the world is a self sustaining eco system and there are too many people on it. I have no science or religion to back me up, to me, it just makes sense. It's like when there are lots of rabbits; there will be more predators breeding to take advantage of that - and when there are fewer rabbits, there are fewer predators. Humans don't have any natural predators, so nature itself has to take care of our overpopulation. Natural disasters often wipe out lots of people. Perhaps this is crazy but to me it makes perfect sense.

So in the end, I don't think it's important whether homosexuality is genetic or a societal construct. Homosexual people are who they are and no amount of persecution is going to make it go away. Gay people don't give birth to gay people. Heterosexual people give birth to homosexual people. It's a seemingly random spread of who is and who isn't, in the same way that you can't predict who's going to have cancer or fertility problems or whatever else life can throw at a person.

If that is the case then should we legalize pedophilia, bestiality, incest? Saying people are the way they are and it should be allowed? Is it normal to put ones penis on another man's anus where the other one acts as the female? How is it that normal?

[Nedusa]

I think our sexuality is hard wired into us and social influences play only a small part. Social influences may delay one's social declaration of sexuality the way a large number of gay men and women are forced to hide their true feelings because family and other peer groups treat the subject with disdain.

why a proportion of the population are born as Non Heterosexuals is still open to debate..!!!

[Z]

Originally Posted by farhad

If that is the case then should we legalize pedophilia, bestiality, incest? Saying people are the way they are and it should be allowed? Is it normal to put ones penis on another man's anus where the other one acts as the female? How is it that normal?

Bestiality and most likely paedophilic sexual relations involve a sexual partner that did not consent to the liaison and so falls under sexual assault; those are entirely different from homosexual relations if you have two consenting partners. Define normal. Nobody is normal. Are you the example of normality? What makes you normal? What makes a person normal? Heterosexual reproduction is considered normal because it's how babies are made - but would you tell a heterosexual man or woman who couldn't reproduce that they weren't normal?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by farhad

If that is the case then should we legalize pedophilia, bestiality, incest? Saying people are the way they are and it should be allowed? Is it normal to put ones penis on another man's anus where the other one acts as the female? How is it that normal?

You're comparing homosexuality to molesting children? Really? You're getting very close to crossing the line between having a discussion about homosexuality and making blatantly homophobic comments here

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by farhad

If that is the case then should we legalize pedophilia, bestiality, incest? Saying people are the way they are and it should be allowed? Is it normal to put ones penis on another man's anus where the other one acts as the female? How is it that normal?

Except how does pedophilia and incest prevent reproduction? The sick man in Austria had several children with his daughter.

What you listed is assault and vile perversions.

[farhad]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

I think our sexuality is hard wired into us and social influences play only a small part. Social influences may delay one's social declaration of sexuality the way a large number of gay men and women are forced to hide their true feelings because family and other peer groups treat the subject with disdain.

why a proportion of the population are born as Non Heterosexuals is still open to debate..!!!

Its through what they have seen or experienced through the environment they were raised in, such as pornography develops unnatural thoughts, if we go by the logic then 50 years time people will think pedophilia, or incest is natural.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by farhad

Its through what they have seen or experienced through the environment they were raised in, such as pornography develops unnatural thoughts, if we go by the logic then 50 years time people will think pedophilia, or incest is natural.

But this is where you cross the line into choice.

You're saying a child or young person watches gay porn or sees a gay couple in the media/on TV, thinks it's normal behaviour and therefore decided to be gay too? Is that what you mean?

[farhad]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

Except how does pedophilia and incest prevent reproduction? The sick man in Austria had several children with his daughter.

What you listed is assault and vile perversions.

Its just not normal, I believe homosexuality comes under the same framework. There's no morality left anymore.

[Patrick]

Originally Posted by Jesus.

Heterosexuality is evolutionary "normal", so homosexuality viewed in the context of any species, is an anomaly that could potentially have repercussions for the survival of the species.

So you see, it probably does need to be explained. Genetically, homosexuality is a terrible thing. Our genes drive us towards puberty, so we can become fertile and reproduce, then they keep us around long enough to raise that child.

Don't confuse modern opinions on homosexuality with the evolution of species to be able to reproduce.

Know what makes this post ten times more awesome to read?

Your username behind it.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by farhad

Its just not normal, I believe homosexuality comes under the same framework. There's no morality left anymore.

But you haven't explained how it's immoral?

How is it immoral? In what way does it harm other people?

[LikeABoatOnWater]

Farhad, would you stop subjecting people to your religious beliefs. We don't want to hear it, Islam is nothing more than a method on controlling societies.