[Josy]

Click the attachment and post your opinion on this?

Edit - the image attached is a hoax but what is your opinion on this idea of pedophilia being a sexual orientation?

I find it absolutely horrific and this claim that it's a natural sexual orientation needs stopped ASAP, it's a pathetic attempt to desensitise the public to that behaviour in order to normalise pedophilia.

Theres is nothing normal about it, an adult attracted to another adult is natural, an adult attracted to a child is a ****ing abomination.

[Smithy]

Oh god I bet £1000 I know where this thread is gonna go

[Niamh.]

wtf?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Smithy

Oh god I bet £1000 I know where this thread is gonna go

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[Josy]

Originally Posted by Smithy

Oh god I bet £1000 I know where this thread is gonna go

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Hopefully all in the same direction.

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

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Originally Posted by Josy

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Hopefully all in the same direction.

You’ll see soon enough


Facebook in general is shocking at removing offensive material, I don’t *think* they are trying to normalise it (I hope not anyway) I just imagine it doesn’t meet whatever quotients are in place as offensive material. I’ve seen similarly shocking things in respect of racism/homophobia/sexism

[Nicky91]

yes Facebook recently had been making it's rules a lot stricter

probably to be on one line with other social media's (such as twitter) their policies/rules

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Smithy

You’ll see soon enough


Facebook in general is shocking at removing offensive material, I don’t *think* they are trying to normalise it (I hope not anyway) I just imagine it doesn’t meet whatever quotients are in place as offensive material. I’ve seen similarly shocking things in respect of racism/homophobia/sexism

Yeah but I mean it's a serious criminal offense to act on paedophilic impulses (?) surely that automatically makes it delete worthy

[The Slim Reaper]

There is actually a conversation to be had around this subject, but it's so offensive in it's nature that we're just not ready for it. We have no control over our sexuality and who we find attractive, so there are probably a high number of high functioning self-celibate paedophiles that are just unable to talk through their mental health with anyone because of the stigma that is rightly attached.

That said, facebook isn't the place for that discussion to take place, and the attitude they show in that response is just weird and non-committal, but FB's audience is increasingly lining up with 4chan's and QAnon extremists and misinformation.

[Ammi]

...weren’t those videos from Don’t **** With Cats../ Luka Magnotta, all posted on Facebook as well...weren’t all the group all Facebook Sleuths...

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

There is actually a conversation to be had around this subject, but it's so offensive in it's nature that we're just not ready for it. We have no control over our sexuality and who we find attractive, so there are probably a high number of high functioning self-celibate paedophiles that are just unable to talk through their mental health with anyone because of the stigma that is rightly attached.

That said, facebook isn't the place for that discussion to take place, and the attitude they show in that response is just weird and non-committal, but FB's audience is increasingly lining up with 4chan's and QAnon extremists and misinformation.

There's a lot more to it than just not being able to help who they are attracted to when it comes to paedophiles. It certainly isn't a natural attraction. A lot of paedophiles have been victims of abuse as children themselves, a lot of times the motivation behind abusing children, like with adult rape is more about power and control rather than sexual attraction. I think just making a statement like "you can't help who you are sexually attracted to" is just simplifying it too much. You can't have a "relationship" in this category of sexual orientation (if that's what you want to refer to it as) without destroying the other person's life.

[GoldHeart]

Wtf is wrong with Facebook , and I use to think violence and anything sexual / porn was banned from FB.

But I have heard that even when people add innapropriate stuff it seems to take FB a while to remove.

And here they are advertising Paedophilia ! ,FB of all places where kids use the platform and families .

[bots]

the world is completely barmy

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

There is actually a conversation to be had around this subject, but it's so offensive in it's nature that we're just not ready for it. We have no control over our sexuality and who we find attractive, so there are probably a high number of high functioning self-celibate paedophiles that are just unable to talk through their mental health with anyone because of the stigma that is rightly attached.

That said, facebook isn't the place for that discussion to take place, and the attitude they show in that response is just weird and non-committal, but FB's audience is increasingly lining up with 4chan's and QAnon extremists and misinformation.

There's a line between a paedophile and a child molester and one that I think it's important to keep (but it often isn't, we use terms like "convicted paedophile", when of course paedophilia is not the crime, the action is the crime).

The reason it's important to keep the distinction and destigmatise is so that, hopefully, it should be possible for people with paedophillic urges to seek professional help BEFORE there's a risk of child molestation/assault occuring. In practical terms I think that the natural revulsion at the concept of paedophilia makes this pretty much impossible to achieve, but in safeguarding terms, it would be better if paedophiles could safely admit to being paedophiles in a context of seeking help.

The problem comes when you have groups trying to further an agenda of destigmatisation alongside arguments that it's actually acceptable to ACT upon - usually arguments that children are in fact capable of consent. Calling it "natural" is edging very close to that. It sounds like an attempt to turn it into an issue of "rights" and argue for decriminalisation of child molestation. I had one of these people creep onto my parenting forum when I ran one; I let him stick around for a day for educational puropses and because he was quite articulate (how often do you get to one-on-one with someone with a mindset like that?). He ended up banned, deleted and IP banned. It is an immensely ****ed up ideology and there's absolutely no question of it being "natural", and not mental illness.

They make VERY strong efforts to conflate the issue with other aspects of sexuality and sexual identity, rights of self expression, whilst dodging the philosophy of consent.

There's no conflation and the waters don't need to be "muddy" at all. Consenting adults can do whatever they want sexually so long as both parties consent. Children cannot independently consent TO ANYTHING. It's that simple. There is no overlap. They want to introduce that doubt - to suggest that denying the rights of pedophiles endangers other non-heteronormative rights. That side of things needs to be ignored completely and shut down fast.

I think there's a strong indication that this advert isn't saying "paedophiles should be able to access help" - which IS an important issue - but is in fact saying "paedophilic relationships are fine". Which is obviously dangerous and morally void.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

There's a lot more to it than just not being able to help who they are attracted to when it comes to paedophiles. It certainly isn't a natural attraction. A lot of paedophiles have been victims of abuse as children themselves, a lot of times the motivation behind abusing children, like with adult rape is more about power and control rather than sexual attraction. I think just making a statement like "you can't help who you are sexually attracted to" is just simplifying it too much. You can't have a "relationship" in this category of sexual orientation (if that's what you want to refer to it as) without destroying the other person's life.

That's why I said it was it was a difficult conversation to have that we weren't ready for. A lot of the points you raised there were points that were formerly charged against gay people.

Sexuality isn't a simple thing, and we know that people are attracted to lots of things that are weird/deviant to 99.9% of us. I think it's actually too simplistic to say that it isn't a genuine sexuality. Also, the point I made was about people living with this, and yet unable to get help because merely admitting these feelings exist could get them in trouble.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

That's why I said it was it was a difficult conversation to have that we weren't ready for. A lot of the points you raised there were points that were formerly charged against gay people.

Sexuality isn't a simple thing, and we know that people are attracted to lots of things that are weird/deviant to 99.9% of us. I think it's actually too simplistic to say that it isn't a genuine sexuality. Also, the point I made was about people living with this, and yet unable to get help because merely admitting these feelings exist could get them in trouble.

What points??? gay people are consenting adults, children are not and will never be, in order to pursue this "sexual orientation" you have to abuse another person. Like TS has said children CAN NOT consent

[thesheriff443]

It’s crazy but middle aged men are marrying 8 year old in other countries with the families blessings.

The human race is a very primitive one.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

What points??? gay people are consenting adults, children are not and will never be, in order to pursue this "sexual orientation" you have to abuse another person. Like TS has said children CAN NOT consent

Precisely its about consent and not only consent but innocence, a 16 year old is going to know a lot more about the world than a 5 year old, can't believe that picture has been deemed appropriate

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

What points??? gay people are consenting adults, children are not and will never be, in order to pursue this "sexual orientation" you have to abuse another person. Like TS has said children CAN NOT consent

Not once have I ever said children can consent. Sexual orientation exists whether it is acted upon or not, and I was pretty clear in talking about celibate paedophiles unable to access help, this is just setting up straw men to argue points that I didn't make.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Not once have I ever said children can consent. Sexual orientation exists whether it is acted upon or not, and I was pretty clear in talking about celibate paedophiles unable to access help, this is just setting up straw men to argue points that I didn't make.

I did also ask you what points you were talking about when you said similar points were made about gay people in the past

[Tom4784]

Paedophilia is not a sexuality, it's a fetish and one that is rooted in the abuse of children. It's like saying that beastiality and necrophillia are sexualities, they are not.

It really bothers me how peados are trying to co-opt the LGBT message to encourage acceptance of their abuses, I've read a lot of stories over the years of peadophiles trying to spread their messages at pride parades and events and **** and it just makes me want to vomit. Predators trying to normalise their behaviour by comparing it to same-sex relationships between consenting adults.

Again for the back seats, Peadophillia is not a sexuality.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I did also ask you what points you were talking about when you said similar points were made about gay people in the past

Such as being abused as children.

[armand.kay]

That caption with that picture is so disgusting to me..

[armand.kay]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Paedophilia is not a sexuality, it's a fetish and one that is rooted in the abuse of children. It's like saying that beastiality and necrophillia are sexualities, they are not.

It really bothers me how peados are trying to co-opt the LGBT message to encourage acceptance of their abuses, I've read a lot of stories over the years of peadophiles trying to spread their messages at pride parades and events and **** and it just makes me want to vomit. Predators trying to normalise their behaviour by comparing it to same-sex relationships between consenting adults.

Again for the back seats, Peadophillia is not a sexuality.

this.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Such as being abused as children.

But that's actually true though? (about people who abuse children)