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pixee · 08-07-2010, 08:01 PM

I think Caoimhe is going on a bit about this but she isn't getting a clear answer.

Although i think she has got a clear answer just clouded in what dave said.

My understanding is that Dave believes in "scripture" and that his reading of it is that homosexuality is wrong but he chooses to believe in a loving god who forgives and even if he/she/it (lol) thinks it is wrong the sheer love they have brings a mercy and forgiveness.

I think this is roughly what he believes. Not sure if anyone cares but it is the issue of the day so lol.

Dannyboii · 08-07-2010, 08:04 PM

Dave is a legend.

Stacey. · 08-07-2010, 08:05 PM

Caoimhe was only asking a question..

pixee · 08-07-2010, 08:06 PM

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Caoimhe was only asking a question..

This isn't an anti either of them thread just an attempt to summarise his view for anyone remotely interested lol.

setanta · 08-07-2010, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Stacey.x

Caoimhe was only asking a question..

Again, and again and again. She should let it go. It's dull at this stage.

oddballmisfitsFTW · 08-07-2010, 08:21 PM

Dave believes homosexual lifestyle is wrong in principle. However he believes in Jesus and loving everyone. He believes the second part a lot more strongly than the first.

Spin it in its head for a change. A homosexual might believe Christian lifestyle is wrong. Would they believe in loving all Christians despite not approving of their lifestyle and beliefs?

pixee · 08-07-2010, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by oddballmisfitsFTW

Dave believes homosexual lifestyle is wrong in principle. However he believes in Jesus and loving everyone. He believes the second part a lot more strongly than the first.

Spin it in its head for a change. A homosexual might believe Christian lifestyle is wrong. Would they believe in loving all Christians despite not approving of their lifestyle and beliefs?

Probably not a fair point. But people don't go to war over homosexuality, also in theory homosexuals are a minority group christians aren't, well maybe they are now actually.

But a fair point.

LiquidGold · 08-07-2010, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Stacey.x

Caoimhe was only asking a question..

yeah in her nasty bitchy cow bag way!!!!!! and she wouldnt let it rest! untill eventually she got bored and said ok lets agree to disagree

bansheewails · 08-07-2010, 08:11 PM

I can see where she is coming from. But she is pushing it. But for some kind of minister Dave doesn't explain himself very well. Dave is also willing to answer questions from Mario, wwho just accepts his answers and doesn't push him on it, but I think he is afraid to answer Caoimhe's properly because she pushes the issue further than he is willing to answer.

WOMBAI · 08-07-2010, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by bansheewails

I can see where she is coming from. But she is pushing it. But for some kind of minister Dave doesn't explain himself very well. Dave is also willing to answer questions from Mario, wwho just accepts his answers and doesn't push him on it, but I think he is afraid to answer Caoimhe's properly because she pushes the issue further than he is willing to answer.

It's because he knows Keeva is spoiling for a fight - and he isn't prepared to play her game! He is above behaving like that!

mazzz · 08-07-2010, 10:35 PM

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It's because he knows Keeva is spoiling for a fight - and he isn't prepared to play her game! He is above behaving like that!

Love or hate Caoimh, let's not get carried away about whether she had an agenda when attempting to have these chats with Dave. He had no problem talking about his beliefs initially, but because he knows that Caoimh has a brain, he is avoiding answering her at all costs. He doesn't want to be honest about his views because he does not want the viewer to really see what he is about. Why won't he just have a conversation with her and be done? Then he runs to others saying that she is bringing the house down. Why would a chat or debate about religion do that? There is much more to Dave then meets the eye.

WOMBAI · 08-07-2010, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by mazzz

Love or hate Caoimh, let's not get carried away about whether she had an agenda when attempting to have these chats with Dave. He had no problem talking about his beliefs initially, but because he knows that Caoimh has a brain, he is avoiding answering her at all costs. He doesn't want to be honest about his views because he does not want the viewer to really see what he is about. Why won't he just have a conversation with her and be done? Then he runs to others saying that she is bringing the house down. Why would a chat or debate about religion do that? There is much more to Dave then meets the eye.

Because she doesn't want a conversation - she wants an argument! She wants to belittle his beliefs and attempt to paint him in a bad light! She is so transparent! He knows exactly what she is up to - and isn't playing - simple!

Zippy · 08-07-2010, 11:01 PM

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Because she doesn't want a conversation - she wants an argument! She wants to belittle his beliefs and attempt to paint him in a bad light! She is so transparent! He knows exactly what she is up to - and isn't playing - simple!

Yes. Now she's decided to stay she is going all out for airtime.

She was happy to ride Shabbys wave for 4 weeks. Now she has to create her own drama.

fingers · 09-07-2010, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by mazzz

Love or hate Caoimh, let's not get carried away about whether she had an agenda when attempting to have these chats with Dave. He had no problem talking about his beliefs initially, but because he knows that Caoimh has a brain, he is avoiding answering her at all costs. He doesn't want to be honest about his views because he does not want the viewer to really see what he is about. Why won't he just have a conversation with her and be done? Then he runs to others saying that she is bringing the house down. Why would a chat or debate about religion do that? There is much more to Dave then meets the eye.

You should have a look at St. Dave in full religious fervour mode in the "Sloshfest" vids or just check out the thread 'Merry Monk'

Link for WOMBAI! lol

http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/foru...d.php?t=145947

WOMBAI · 09-07-2010, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by fingers

You should have a look at St. Dave in full religious fervour mode in the "Sloshfest" vids or just check out the thread 'Merry Monk'

WOMBAI · 09-07-2010, 08:32 AM

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You should have a look at St. Dave in full religious fervour mode in the "Sloshfest" vids or just check out the thread 'Merry Monk'

Link for WOMBAI! lol

http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/foru...d.php?t=145947

ffs - I have seen them - so what! I like hm Dave - and that is how I judge him!

calyman · 09-07-2010, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by bansheewails

I can see where she is coming from. But she is pushing it. But for some kind of minister Dave doesn't explain himself very well. Dave is also willing to answer questions from Mario, wwho just accepts his answers and doesn't push him on it, but I think he is afraid to answer Caoimhe's properly because she pushes the issue further than he is willing to answer.

Exactly, when it gets to difficult for him, he either walks away or is unable to go into detail, he's just a fake; using his christianity as a crutch.

Zippy · 08-07-2010, 08:12 PM

I don't like Dave or his views.

But she has no right to harass him over his views. Why now after 4 weeks? Just trying to get camera attention now she isnt behind Shabby.

And he doesn't have to justify himself to her anyway! Back off bitch.

pixee · 08-07-2010, 08:12 PM

Just close the thread this isn't what i intended.

bansheewails · 08-07-2010, 08:14 PM

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Just close the thread this isn't what i intended.

Sorry did I offend you? I didn't mean to, I can see both sides of this and thought I demonstrated this in my reply. I hope I didn't ruin your thread.

pixee · 08-07-2010, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by bansheewails

Sorry did I offend you? I didn't mean to, I can see both sides of this and thought I demonstrated this in my reply. I hope I didn't ruin your thread.

No it is okay haha I wasn't clear enough. Wasn't a point about Dave not answering or Caoimhe asking just a summary of what i think Dave believes as this was a big issue when he first made his statement about gay marriage near the start.

Zippy you don't like her i think we understand.

bansheewails · 08-07-2010, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by pixee

No it is okay haha I wasn't clear enough. Wasn't a point about Dave not answering or Caoimhe asking just a summary of what i think Dave believes as this was a big issue when he first made his statement about gay marriage near the start.

Zippy you don't like her i think we understand.

I do think that Dave does believe in those things. He just is not very clear about explaining them.

Caoimhe has come from a very religious back ground, where homosexuality condems you to 'hell' nice person or not.

I think between her lack of understanding other religious beliefs and Dave not explaining clearly has lead to this falling out.

pixee · 08-07-2010, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by bansheewails

I do think that Dave does believe in those things. He just is not very clear about explaining them.

Caoimhe has come from a very religious back ground, where homosexuality condems you to 'hell' nice person or not.

I think between her lack of understanding other religious beliefs and Dave not explaining clearly has lead to this falling out.

Agreed

boomoo · 08-07-2010, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by bansheewails

I do think that Dave does believe in those things. He just is not very clear about explaining them.

Caoimhe has come from a very religious back ground, where homosexuality condems you to 'hell' nice person or not.

I think between her lack of understanding other religious beliefs and Dave not explaining clearly has lead to this falling out.

Caoimhe was saying religion should not be in schools. From her background she knows more about that than Dave. If you live in a land where people have been killing people in the name of religion you can see why she does not want to listen to people preaching.
Of course those who kill in the name of their religion are not listening to 'Thou shalt not kill'.