[Lex]

I am probably the least religious person on the planet!.....And am only a Dave fan intermitantly!....'I'm off him just now'....But I thought that he handled 'the Vipers' latest attempt to poison his popularity , by attacking his weak point....with great aplomb!!

Hope that he noticed that it was that 'sly-public-fooling Josie' that instigated and tried to prolong this 'failed attack!'!

She's Good!!.....Quaver was'nt even wearing a robot suit!....But she still managed to wind her up....and stand back to admire her handywork!!

[boomoo]

Originally Posted by bansheewails

I do think that Dave does believe in those things. He just is not very clear about explaining them.

Caoimhe has come from a very religious back ground, where homosexuality condems you to 'hell' nice person or not.

I think between her lack of understanding other religious beliefs and Dave not explaining clearly has lead to this falling out.

Caoimhe was saying religion should not be in schools. From her background she knows more about that than Dave. If you live in a land where people have been killing people in the name of religion you can see why she does not want to listen to people preaching.
Of course those who kill in the name of their religion are not listening to 'Thou shalt not kill'.

[boomoo]

Originally Posted by pixee

Agreed

All this came about because of Ife harping on for four weeks about Dave's attitude to gay 'marriage'. She knew that it would turn the public against him.

Dave should have said there is no such thing as 'gay marriage'.

There is a civil partnership now allowed under the law for same sex people. It is not a marriage and the law does not say it is.
The law was changed to allow two people of the same sex partnership to have the rights of a male and female marriage ie passing on the home to the partner etc
Before this change they had no rights even when they had lived together for 20+ years

[mazzz]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

It's because he knows Keeva is spoiling for a fight - and he isn't prepared to play her game! He is above behaving like that!

Love or hate Caoimh, let's not get carried away about whether she had an agenda when attempting to have these chats with Dave. He had no problem talking about his beliefs initially, but because he knows that Caoimh has a brain, he is avoiding answering her at all costs. He doesn't want to be honest about his views because he does not want the viewer to really see what he is about. Why won't he just have a conversation with her and be done? Then he runs to others saying that she is bringing the house down. Why would a chat or debate about religion do that? There is much more to Dave then meets the eye.

[Livia]

I found Caoimhe to be very confrontational. She didn't want a discussion, she wanted an argument. She wanted Dave to say what she believes that he believes so she could tell him how wrong he is. I believe the OP got Dave's stance perfectly right. I don't personally believe the same thing, but I'm happy for him to believe it.

[JustSkipIt]

Originally Posted by eviled2010

I think Dave is using the old "Love the sinner, hate the sin" defense,
Bit if a cop out if you ask me.

Not sure why this would be a cop out - makes sense to me.

Besides, as far as I can tell, there is nothing in the Christian faith that condems same-sex relationships, just sodomy. Not the same thing.

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by mazzz

Love or hate Caoimh, let's not get carried away about whether she had an agenda when attempting to have these chats with Dave. He had no problem talking about his beliefs initially, but because he knows that Caoimh has a brain, he is avoiding answering her at all costs. He doesn't want to be honest about his views because he does not want the viewer to really see what he is about. Why won't he just have a conversation with her and be done? Then he runs to others saying that she is bringing the house down. Why would a chat or debate about religion do that? There is much more to Dave then meets the eye.

Because she doesn't want a conversation - she wants an argument! She wants to belittle his beliefs and attempt to paint him in a bad light! She is so transparent! He knows exactly what she is up to - and isn't playing - simple!

[Zippy]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

Because she doesn't want a conversation - she wants an argument! She wants to belittle his beliefs and attempt to paint him in a bad light! She is so transparent! He knows exactly what she is up to - and isn't playing - simple!

Yes. Now she's decided to stay she is going all out for airtime.

She was happy to ride Shabbys wave for 4 weeks. Now she has to create her own drama.

[LiquidGold]

Originally Posted by Stacey.x

Caoimhe was only asking a question..

yeah in her nasty bitchy cow bag way!!!!!! and she wouldnt let it rest! untill eventually she got bored and said ok lets agree to disagree

[Peter Plunker]

Dave was always going to be a focal point for the HM's and the viewing publics problems/misunderstandings with Christianity. Dave knew that before he went in. He doesn't however respond to cynicism. He talks to Ben and Mario about stuff because they are genuine in their questioning even if they still disagree. Caoimhe already knows the answers to the questions she's asking, she's just trying to be controversial

[stonedape]

Originally Posted by Peter Plunker

Dave was always going to be a focal point for the HM's and the viewing publics problems/misunderstandings with Christianity. Dave knew that before he went in. He doesn't however respond to cynicism. He talks to Ben and Mario about stuff because they are genuine in their questioning even if they still disagree. Caoimhe already knows the answers to the questions she's asking, she's just trying to be controversial

I understand Christianity fully. I'm American, and I was once evangelical/"born again". Dave is an utter hypocrite, but no one is knowledgeable enough on the subject to properly question him.

How many verses against homosexuality? At most, 7. Realistically, about 4. How many verses about women not talking/cutting their hair? More than double. How many verses about not eating pork/shellfish? More than triple.

Any Christian that has a HUGE PROBLEM with homosexual marriage is cherry-picking the Bible based on the society of their time, and their view has nearly nothing to do with their holy book. Not that I fully blame Dave, I doubt he's even read the Old Testament. And at least he's (mostly) cherry-picking the nice bits.

[fingers]

Originally Posted by mazzz

Love or hate Caoimh, let's not get carried away about whether she had an agenda when attempting to have these chats with Dave. He had no problem talking about his beliefs initially, but because he knows that Caoimh has a brain, he is avoiding answering her at all costs. He doesn't want to be honest about his views because he does not want the viewer to really see what he is about. Why won't he just have a conversation with her and be done? Then he runs to others saying that she is bringing the house down. Why would a chat or debate about religion do that? There is much more to Dave then meets the eye.

You should have a look at St. Dave in full religious fervour mode in the "Sloshfest" vids or just check out the thread 'Merry Monk'

Link for WOMBAI! lol

http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/foru...d.php?t=145947

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by fingers

You should have a look at St. Dave in full religious fervour mode in the "Sloshfest" vids or just check out the thread 'Merry Monk'

[JEJ]

I agree with what Wombai has said.

I'm actually starting to like Dave now.

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by fingers

You should have a look at St. Dave in full religious fervour mode in the "Sloshfest" vids or just check out the thread 'Merry Monk'

Link for WOMBAI! lol

http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/foru...d.php?t=145947

ffs - I have seen them - so what! I like hm Dave - and that is how I judge him!

[Peter Plunker]

Originally Posted by stonedape

I understand Christianity fully. I'm American, and I was once evangelical/"born again"

Dave isn't being hypocritical. You're showing an astute lack of understanding of the new testament if you are brining mosaic law into the equation.

[fingers]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

ffs - I have seen them - so what! I like hm Dave - and that is how I judge him!

There are none so blind........ LOL!

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by fingers

There are none so blind........ LOL!

No - I just don't pre-judge people's religious belief's or motives for those 'beliefs' without knowing more about them! Those videos prove nothing! As a hm - he is interesting and funny and doesn't bitch and attention-seek like most of the others - he gets my vote!

[fingers]

Originally Posted by Peter Plunker

Dave isn't being hypocritical. You're showing an astute lack of understanding of the new testament if you are brining mosaic law into the equation.

Do explain this "MOSAIC" law.

That's Old Testament isn't it, not something the New Ecstatics believe in.

[Peter Plunker]

Originally Posted by fingers

Do explain this "MOSAIC" law.

That's Old Testament isn't it, not something the New Ecstatics believe in.

The Mosaic law is the old testament law as given to Moses. To get an understanding of how the law in the OT was fulfilled read the book of Hebrews and Romans, try reading 'The Message' version, it's written in modern language that is much easier to understand.

[Peter Plunker]

PS, The new Ecstatics is just the name of Dave's ministry, all ministires have a name for many reasons, it's not a cult or a religion, it's just a name. Dave has close relationships and is accountable to a wide range of people and ministers from a very wide range of Christian churches both denominational and non-denominational.

I really don't want to seem like some fanatical weirdo cult follower. Dave is my friend, it's hard to see lies written about one of your best mates and not respond, even if it's just to clarify some stuff. Feel free to dislike Dave but be make sure you're being truthful when you dislike him.

[karezza]

Homosexuality is anti-Christian & a violation of natural law - Josie is a evil stirrer.

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by karezza

Homosexuality is anti-Christian & a violation of natural law - Josie is a evil stirrer.

Sounds to me as if Josie is just repeating what she thinks young voters want to hear - being seen to say the 'right' thing! Still not sure about her!

[monx]

I do not dislike Dave I find him quite pleasant as a housemate and he has been a great comfort to other housemates when they have been having a bad time.

I do get nervous however when anyone asks him about his faith because you can see he is conflicted on the one hand he wants to spout the scripture as confirmation of his beliefs but at the same time he is aware that some of these beliefs are not popular.

I do think that Keeva was being vexatious and was hoping for a great religious debate where she could give her conflicting view on every point he made, and his response was at least adult and didnt inflame the situation. She did come across ignorant to the fact that he was a born again Christian and not Roman Catholic.

That being said, I do think if you are going to come onto a reality show like Big Brother and announce that you are a practicing born again Christian, read scripture daily and "get drunk on God's love" then you will have to expect some degree of interest and may have to explain some of the things you believe in, and explaining doesnt mean justyfying.

He has every right to worship any way he wants but if he is going to "prophetise" his particular faith he needs to be comfortable answering difficult questions about it. It may be that Ife is a Zoastran or Corrin is a Wicca white witch but because they are not discussing it and making it an issue no one is challenging them about it.

[calyman]

Originally Posted by bansheewails

I can see where she is coming from. But she is pushing it. But for some kind of minister Dave doesn't explain himself very well. Dave is also willing to answer questions from Mario, wwho just accepts his answers and doesn't push him on it, but I think he is afraid to answer Caoimhe's properly because she pushes the issue further than he is willing to answer.

Exactly, when it gets to difficult for him, he either walks away or is unable to go into detail, he's just a fake; using his christianity as a crutch.