[alex_front2]

He comes from a leafy part of rural Durham and his mum's wealthy - despite MaMa McKray claiming on Harry's eviction that her son is a 'humble working class Geordie, hard working plumber' etc. Jay's probably posher than Aaron but not as posh as Harry (probably why Harry was chosen so he'd be the posho).

You see a "Geordie" accent hides a multitude of 'sins' (ie real class background etc)

Now I understand why he was annoyed that real Geordie Alex was in the house and hardly spoke to her for ages (she ruined his 'down to earth' Geordie USP).

Now I understand why he was able to afford a £50K car and a rather swanky flat, Armani T-shirts and jeans (despite claiming to be a humble plumber struggling for work).

[MTVN]

Depends how wide an area your definition of Geordie encompasses, he's only from a few miles away from Newcastle

[alex_front2]

So he's not a Geordie then!

He said he was from Newcastle. Lies.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by alex_front2

So he's not a Geordie then!

He said he was from Newcastle. Lies.

Geordie doesn't have to only apply to people specifically born within the City, a lot of my family live up in Northumberland and would say they were Geordies even though they're about 20 minutes from the city. Plus people often give the name of their nearest City to say where they're from, I'd say I was from Bristol even though it's 20/30mins away from where I live

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Geordie doesn't have to only apply to people specifically born within the City, a lot of my family live up in Northumberland and would say they were Geordies even though they're about 20 minutes from the city. Plus people often give the name of their nearest City to say where they're from, I'd say I was from Bristol even though it's 20/30mins away from where I live

I live 30 mins away from both Edinburgh and Glasgow, but I don't say I'm from either place.

I say I am from the town that I actually live in - I think most people tend to do that, unless of course, they are trying to hide where they actually come from (either through trying to play it up - or down).

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

I live 30 mins away from both Edinburgh and Glasgow, but I don't say I'm from either place.

I say I am from the town that I actually live in - I think most people tend to do that, unless of course, they are trying to hide where they actually come from (either through trying to play it up - or down).

Good for you.. nobody would have heard of where I actually live, it's likely that the nearest place to me that they'd know is Bristol, so I either use that or say Gloucestershire

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Good for you.. nobody would have heard of where I actually live, it's likely that the nearest place to me that they'd know is Bristol, so I either use that or say Gloucestershire

Many would not know the town I live in either...therefore when I say I live in XXXX , I confirm that it is 'near' to.... or say most times, "It's between Glasgow and Edinburgh".... I dont pretend to live somewhere that I don't.

No need for the wagging fingers btw.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

I live 30 mins away from both Edinburgh and Glasgow, but I don't say I'm from either place.

I say I am from the town that I actually live in - I think most people tend to do that, unless of course, they are trying to hide where they actually come from (either through trying to play it up - or down).

Geordie is commonly used for people up North it does not mean they have to be born in the city.

He is from just outside and his accent is very very very much Geordie.

This Jay bashing is becoming very tedious now. Yes his mother has money but he has worked as a plumber making him working class he aint no millionaire.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

Geordie is commonly used for people up North it does not mean they have to be born in the city.

He is from just outside and his accent is very very very much Geordie.

This Jay bashing is becoming very tedious now. Yes his mother has money but he has worked as a plumber making him working class he aint no millionaire.

Weegie is a term for folk from Glasgow - and I would never regard myself as such, because I don't come from Glasgow.

We are discussing how someone can claim they live and come from a particular type of background and area: when in fact, the truth is: they don't.

That's not Jay bashing, that's called a fairly reasonsable topic for conversation and discussion.

[alex_front2]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

This Jay bashing is becoming very tedious now. Yes his mother has money but he has worked as a plumber making him working class he aint no millionaire.

Your plea to stop Jay bashing would have a million % more credibility if you also plead to stop Aaron bashing, as Aaron gets a much rawer deal!

[Mumbles]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Geordie doesn't have to only apply to people specifically born within the City, a lot of my family live up in Northumberland and would say they were Geordies even though they're about 20 minutes from the city. Plus people often give the name of their nearest City to say where they're from, I'd say I was from Bristol even though it's 20/30mins away from where I live

If he's from Durham then his nearest city is Sunderland, Not Newcastle. The definition of a Geordie is someone born on the banks of the Tyne. Historically, Newcastle was part of Northumberland and Sunderland was part of County Durham, so I can see why your family might refer to themselves as Geordies, but that doesn't apply to people from Durham.

However, as a Mackem, I'd say the Geordies are welcome to him.

Alex isn't a Geordie either, she's from South Shields, making her a Sand Dancer.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Many would not know the town I live in either...therefore when I say I live in XXXX , I confirm that it is 'near' to.... or say most times, "It's between Glasgow and Edinburgh".... I dont pretend to live somewhere that I don't.

No need for the wagging fingers btw.

Ok so you insist on being specific about where you live, do you want a medal for that or something? I don't "pretend" to be from somewhere I'm not, it's just for convenience's sake I'll give the name of the nearest City

Originally Posted by Mumbles

If he's from Durham then his nearest city is Sunderland, Not Newcastle. The definition of a Geordie is someone born on the banks of the Tyne. Historically, Newcastle was part of Northumberland and Sunderland was part of County Durham, so I can see why your family might refer to themselves as Geordies, but that doesn't apply to people from Durham.

However, as a Mackem, I'd say the Geordies are welcome to him.

Alex isn't a Geordie either, she's from South Shields, making her a Sand Dancer.

Ah right, I just wikipedia'd the town his Mum's from and it said it's "approximately 5 miles to the south-west of the city of Newcastle upon Tyne" so I presumed that was his nearest City

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Ok so you insist on being specific about where you live, do you want a medal for that or something? I don't "pretend" to be from somewhere I'm not, it's just for convenience's sake I'll give the name of the nearest City

Ah right, I just wikipedia'd the town his Mum's from and it said it's "approximately 5 miles to the south-west of the city of Newcastle upon Tyne" so I presumed that was his nearest City

I'd appreciate if you could not be so rude MTVN. There is absolutely no need for it, at all.

To clarify this .... said that I (not you), I did not pretend where I come from, when I am asked - and I was referring that specifically to Jay - not you, or indeed anyone else on this forum - and I'd have thought that was obvious, however I am taking this opportunity to make that very clear here and now.

You made assumptions regarding Sunderland/Durham, you were given links to show the lay of the land, quite literally. I'd have thought that was more helpful to allow you to understand why people are commenting as they are.

[Mumbles]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Ah right, I just wikipedia'd the town his Mum's from and it said it's "approximately 5 miles to the south-west of the city of Newcastle upon Tyne" so I presumed that was his nearest City

No worries, the curse of Wiki strikes again. I don't think there's a huge amount of difference between Sunderland-Durham and Newcastle-Durham anyway, though ironically, despite the historic connections it's actually easier to get to Newcatle from Durham than it is to get to Sunderland from Durham.

To add to the discussion, you do find that outside of Sunderland and Newcastle, there is a lot of variation in the outlying areas of the 2 cities, so people from some of the places in Durham or South Shields are just as likely to call themselves Mackems as they are Geordies. Those people calling themselves Geordies in these places are usually referred to by people from Sunderland as "Plastic Geordies".

[WCR1942]

"he's only from a few miles away from Newcastle "
Try saying that to all the makems in Sunderland.

[WCR1942]

Sunderland is not a small place near Newcastle; it has 200,000 population.

[Mumbles]

Originally Posted by WCR1942

Sunderland is not a small place near Newcastle; it has 200,000 population.

Indeed. It's actually bigger than Newcastle in both size and population.

[Vicky.]

Alex wasnt a geordie either.

Thing with Jay is though, he is from Whichkham now, which isnt far at all from Newcastle, its pretty much on the edge of Gateshead(people from Gateshead class themselves as Geordies too). I bet people who arent from here wouldnt even know where Whichkham was...so its easier to say hes from Newcastle. He DID live in Byker at one point, so if he had lived there most of his live he would probably class himself as a geordie. Or even if he spends the majority of his time in Newcastle.

[BBfan6418]

Originally Posted by alex_front2

He comes from a leafy part of rural Durham and his mum's wealthy - despite MaMa McKray claiming on Harry's eviction that her son is a 'humble working class Geordie, hard working plumber' etc. Jay's probably posher than Aaron but not as posh as Harry (probably why Harry was chosen so he'd be the posho).

You see a "Geordie" accent hides a multitude of 'sins' (ie real class background etc)

Now I understand why he was annoyed that real Geordie Alex was in the house and hardly spoke to her for ages (she ruined his 'down to earth' Geordie USP).

Now I understand why he was able to afford a £50K car and a rather swanky flat, Armani T-shirts and jeans (despite claiming to be a humble plumber struggling for work).

How do you know where he comes from?

[Vicky.]

I am a Mackem to people up here...as they know where Durham is, and Ouston is a part of County Durham.

But when elsewhere, I usually just say Geordie, as its much easier...plus I lived in Newcastle for like 6 years...and spend more time there than here now. If you say Durham...9 times out of 10 people say 'where?' and you end up saying near Newcastle anyway, easier to just skip that part of the convo

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I am a Mackem to people up here...as they know where Durham is, and Ouston is a part of County Durham.

But when elsewhere, I usually just say Geordie, as its much easier...plus I lived in Newcastle for like 6 years...and spend more time there than here now. If you say Durham...9 times out of 10 people say 'where?' and you end up saying near Newcastle anyway, easier to just skip that part of the convo

Which is reasonable if it's general quick convo with strangers...., but so too, is not 'skipping that part of the conversation'.... not certainly it's a bit dubious, when you're actually living with people 24/7 in a house for 64 days to continue the pretence.

Unless of course:

(1) Jay didn't mention it quite deliberately or

(2) BB simply decided to ensure the edits shown, were giving the impression that he was just a simple, hard working, down to earth, no trapping, no wealth, type run of the mill average family lad, from 'Newcah ssuullll like'.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Which is reasonable if it's general quick convo with strangers...., but so too, is not 'skipping that part of the conversation'.... not certainly it's a bit dubious, when you're actually living with people 24/7 in a house for 64 days to continue the pretence.

Unless of course:

(1) Jay didn't mention it quite deliberately or

(2) BB simply decided to ensure the edits shown, were giving the impression that he was just a simple, hard working, down to earth, no trapping, no wealth, type run of the mill average family lad, from 'Newcah ssuullll like'.

I cant believe I am sticking up for Jay here...but I dont really see what the big deal is. Whichkam is NOT far from Newcastle at all. And he grew up in Byker...so he is a geordie.

If you grew up in scotland, then moved to england when you were, for example, 16...you would still tell people you were scottish no?

And maybe he didnt say he was from Whickham because he didnt want people stalking out his flat. (as they have managed to do anyways ) Whickham aint that big. maybe there was some other reason...maybe he just wanted people to think he was from Newcastle, maybe the housemates didnt discuss their hometowns...or maybe BB just didnt show it, who knows. But its hardly the deception of the century.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I cant believe I am sticking up for Jay here...but I dont really see what the big deal is. Whichkam is NOT far from Newcastle at all. And he grew up in Byker...so he is a geordie.

If you grew up in scotland, then moved to england when you were, for example, 16...you would still tell people you were scottish no?

And maybe he didnt say he was from Whickham because he didnt want people stalking out his flat. (as they have managed to do anyways ) Whickham aint that big. maybe there was some other reason...maybe he just wanted people to think he was from Newcastle, maybe the housemates didnt discuss their hometowns...or maybe BB just didnt show it, who knows. But its hardly the deception of the century.

We all have different opinions. I fully believe that Jay has deliberately been duplicitious - and this is yet another example of why - and I have explained in detail, why I think that.

That doesn't negate my point - and neither does yours, negate yours.

To answer you: my accent would tell them I was from Scotland, however I would say, "I live in Hastings" but come from... XYZ. If I had been sharing a house with those same people, 24/7: you can bet they would know exactly where I came from originally, where I lived now, when I moved etc.....

It is afterall, a place whereby opinions will not alway be shared, and this appears to be one of them.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

I fully believe that Jay has deliberately been duplicitious

But what would he stand to gain though, by saying he was from Newcastle instead of saying he was '5 mins outside of Newcastle'? I dont get this at all.

Its LESS deceptive than previous 'geordies' on the show. Liam was presented to us as a geordie, yet was from lanchester. Anthony was apparently a geordie, but he was from Consett. Alex was a geordie, yet she was from Shields.

[Mumbles]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I cant believe I am sticking up for Jay here...but I dont really see what the big deal is. Whichkam is NOT far from Newcastle at all. And he grew up in Byker...so he is a geordie.

If you grew up in scotland, then moved to england when you were, for example, 16...you would still tell people you were scottish no?

I think we should all just agree he's Plastic Geordie and move on. I agree, it's not a massive deception and not an uncommon one for people from Durham, but it's a deception of sorts but no worse than Alex not fessing up to being a Sand Dancer. It's a question of how cynical a move it was on each of their parts though. Were they saying they were Geordies in order to try and attract votes from the barcode sheep from Newcstle? Possibly. Didn't work though, so doesn't really matter either.