[Niall]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

18 months is a ****ing joke though

And on release she should be sterilised to stop this happening to another innocent child. Unfortunately that would be against the womans human rights though...noone cares about the human rights of kids it seems.

Thats far too extreme Vicky.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Niall

Thats far too extreme Vicky.

I dont see how it is tbh

She will come out of prison (hopefully the children she already has have been took into care or something) and can just have more kids to abuse.

[Niall]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I dont see how it is tbh

She will come out of prison (hopefully the children she already has have been took into care or something) and can just have more kids to abuse.

Because if you start sterilising people like that, then its just the start of slippery slope. Infringing human rights like that should never be considered.

Keep her in prison for life maybe, but to sterilise someone? That's something the Nazis did!

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Niall

Because if you start sterilising people like that, then its just the start of slippery slope. Infringing human rights like that should never be considered.

Keep her in prison for life maybe, but to sterilise someone? That's something the Nazis did!

Do you not consider the children to have any rights then?

I would consider a baby knowingly being born into violence like that an infringement of the childs human rights.

[Niall]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Do you not consider the children to have any rights then?

I didn't say that. Of course the child has rights, but I fail to see what you're trying to say. That every child who is wronged by an adult has a right to have them sterilised?

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Originally Posted by Niall

I didn't say that. Of course the child has rights, but I fail to see what you're trying to say. That every child who is wronged by an adult has a right to have them sterilised?

No just in extreme curcumstances such as this.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Niall

I didn't say that. Of course the child has rights, but I fail to see what you're trying to say. That every child who is wronged by an adult has a right to have them sterilised?

Depends how you define wronged really. Not an occasional smack..though I dont agree with smacking kids at all...but when its purely for the pleasure of the adult dealing the pain, and they seem to enjoy doing it, and its to extremes such as this, yes.

People get banned from keeping pets for less. And I see a child as a bit more important than a pet.

[Niall]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Depends how you define wronged really. Not an occasional smack..though I dont agree with smacking kids at all...but when its purely for the pleasure of the adult dealing the pain, and they seem to enjoy doing it, and its to extremes such as this, yes.

People get banned from keeping pets for less. And I see a child as a bit more important than a pet.

There's a difference between a ban and a surgical operation though. You could easily ban someone from having kids and monitor them to make sure they're abiding by such restrictions.

[Niall]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Do you not consider the children to have any rights then?

I would consider a baby knowingly being born into violence like that an infringement of the childs human rights.

Didn't see this edit.

But yeah I suppose thats true, but just because the child's human rights are infringed doesn't mean the adult's rights should be voided. Criminals are humans too and they deserve to be treated with a decent amount of respect, no matter how heinous their crimes.

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally Posted by Niall

Because if you start sterilising people like that, then its just the start of slippery slope. Infringing human rights like that should never be considered.

Keep her in prison for life maybe, but to sterilise someone? That's something the Nazis did!

I agree with Vicky. Parents like that do not deserve to have children, and should not be allowed to have any more of their own. It's not a god given right to have a child, it's a privilege for most people. There are people out there who would dearly love to have a child, while people like this bitch do not appreciate what they have, and think they can do what the hell they want.

Why should she be able to have more children? She could never be trusted again as far as I am concerned. Would you ever trust her with yours?

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Mrluvaluva

I agree with Vicky. Parents like that do not deserve to have children, and should not be allowed to have any more of their own. It's not a god given right to have a child, it's a privilege for most people. There are people out there who would dearly love to have a child, while people like this bitch do not appreciate what they have, and think they can do what the hell they want.

Why should she be able to have more children? She could never be trusted again as far as I am concerned. Would you ever trust her with yours?

How is it not an inherent right to have children when it's something that happens 100% naturally?

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally Posted by MTVN

How is it not an inherent right to have children when it's something that happens 100% naturally?

Not in that way. In the way that there are certain ways to bring up a child. You cannot just treat a child in any way you see fit. Many parents have their children taken away from them by social services due to neglect etc. A parent has a certain responsibility towards a child.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Mrluvaluva

Not in that way. In the way that there are certain ways to bring up a child. You cannot just treat a child in any way you see fit. Many parents have their children taken away from them by social services due to neglect etc. A parent has a certain responsibility towards a child.

I agree, I just don't think we should use videos like this to try and justify introducing something such as forced sterilisation

[arista]

Originally Posted by Niall

Because if you start sterilising people like that, then its just the start of slippery slope. Infringing human rights like that should never be considered.

Keep her in prison for life maybe, but to sterilise someone? That's something the Nazis did!

Yes but the Nazi's were at War with the World.

Criminals
can have some human rights stopped
thats fair

[Samuel.]

Originally Posted by Niall

Thats far too extreme Vicky.

Why though?

You would trust her with another baby?

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Samuel.

Why though?

You would trust her with another baby?

This is it. Its too extreme to stop her having any more kids.

But its fine to take the chance of her doing this to another child.

I said the same about Baby Ps parents too. Some people simply dont deserve to have children. if thats affecting their 'human rights' so be it, the child has the right not to be abused.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

This is it. Its too extreme to stop her having any more kids.

But its fine to take the chance of her doing this to another child.

I said the same about Baby Ps parents too. Some people simply dont deserve to have children. if thats affecting their 'human rights' so be it, the child has the right not to be abused.

Exactly.

[Niall]

Originally Posted by Samuel.

Why though?

You would trust her with another baby?

I know why in my head but I just find it really hard to put it into words.

I wouldn't trust her with another baby but forcibly altering someone else's body without their consent just crosses a line for me. I could never agree with anything like that no matter the magnitude of a person's crime.

[Ninastar]

I agree with Vicky

[Marsh.]

So, hang on, they can violate someone else's rights. But to violate their own as punishment is too far? I find that logic quite disturbing.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

So, hang on, they can violate someone else's rights. But to violate their own as punishment is too far? I find that logic quite disturbing.

I was thinking this.

I can understand Niall and MTVN's views but if they don't want there human rights taken away when concieving children then they shouldn't have abused the children they've already got imo.

[InOne]

I guess it's a tricky one, as every case is unique. But "forced" sounds pretty out there. They could always be strongly advised not to have children, and if they did the child would be taken away from them straight away.

[Marsh.]

TBH though "sex offenders" is a pretty broad term. All different kinds of people are forced to sign the sex offenders register, so who precisely are we discussing?

If it's crimes against children like pedophiles, whether they've physically acted upon their desires or not shouldn't be allowed anywhere near children.

I think Ian Huntley is a big example of what could happen. He should never have been allowed near a school after the number of times he was arrested over rape and abusing underage girls.

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

TBH though "sex offenders" is a pretty broad term. All different kinds of people are forced to sign the sex offenders register, so who precisely are we discussing?

If it's crimes against children like pedophiles, whether they've physically acted upon their desires or not shouldn't be allowed anywhere near children.

I think Ian Huntley is a big example of what could happen. He should never have been allowed near a school after the number of times he was arrested over rape and abusing underage girls.

If they are a known paedophile then I agree that they should be kept away from children where possible.

[Kizzy]

I agree with vicky, anyone convicted of serious assault on a minor should be sterilised.