[arista]

Protests: Some 200 students walked
out of class because of Lila Perry, 17,
a transgender student who upset
some students by using the girls' bathrooms]

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz3kZkZ3Bd3


Yes Fella its not normal
Now its On FoxNewsHD and CNN USA

[MTVN]

They should get over it

[arista]

Originally Posted by MTVN

They should get over it

No its Not the Way of his Lord



Sign Of The Times

[armand.kay]

lol why is it such a big deal what is even the point of separate toilets.

[Kizzy]

The point is you don't have males in female toilets and visa versa

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

The point is you don't have males in female toilets and visa versa

Yes

But this Person goes in the Girls bog

[Liam-]

I think until they have the actual transition, transgender students should be allowed access to staff toilets, that would stop the uncomfortable feelings for everyone and said student wouldn't have the worry of deciding which bathroom to use, win win.

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by Liam-

I think until they have the actual transition, transgender students should be allowed access to staff toilets, that would stop the uncomfortable feelings for everyone and said student wouldn't have the worry of deciding which bathroom to use, win win.

I agree with you once again. One day we shall rule the world together.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Chaos

I agree with you once again. One day we shall rule the world together.

What a world that would be

[arista]

['I'm not a pervert': Perry, who is
biologically male, has insisted
she means no harm in using
the bathrooms, but wants her
gender identity to be recognized]

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz3kZt10cCc

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by arista

['I'm not a pervert': Perry, who is
biologically male, has insisted
she means no harm in using
the bathrooms, but wants her
gender identity to be recognized]

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz3kZt10cCc

He's so thin I'm surprised anyone noticed him.

[Pete.]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

He's so thin I'm surprised anyone noticed him.

'he'

[arista]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

He's so thin I'm surprised anyone noticed him.

Yes he is thin

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes Fella its not normal

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

He's so thin I'm surprised anyone noticed him.

Originally Posted by armand.kay

lol why is it such a big deal what is even the point of separate toilets.

Indeed. I've thought this for a while, be rid of disgusting urinals (or keep them if people want idc) and have a unisex toilet full of cubicles. We are all human and all need to piss and ****, dividing people by gender is problematic and usually pointless, especially when it comes to where you go to the toilet.

As for the age old transition argument, this myth that transgenderism is only concerned with the physical change to a person is one that needs to be dispelled. Not every trans person wishes to have sex reassignment surgery (SRA) and more to the point, they shouldn't be forced to either. A person's genitalia is completely irrelevant and the business of nobody else unless you're going to sleep with them. Your outward identity and the way that you dress, act and perform to other people, i.e. your gender, is what is important to trans people. SRA is only a small part of that to a lot of people and it's actually quite offensive to suggest that you almost aren't trans unless you transition. Not every trans person wishes to have a major operation on one of the most sensitive areas of their body.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Indeed. I've thought this for a while, be rid of disgusting urinals (or keep them if people want idc) and have a unisex toilet full of cubicles. We are all human and all need to piss and ****, dividing people by gender is problematic and usually pointless, especially when it comes to where you go to the toilet.

As for the age old transition argument, this myth that transgenderism is only concerned with the physical change to a person is one that needs to be dispelled. Not every trans person wishes to have sex reassignment surgery (SRA) and more to the point, they shouldn't be forced to either. A person's genitalia is completely irrelevant and the business of nobody else unless you're going to sleep with them. Your outward identity and the way that you dress, act and perform to other people, i.e. your gender, is what is important to trans people. SRA is only a small part of that to a lot of people and it's actually quite offensive to suggest that you almost aren't trans unless you transition. Not every trans person wishes to have a major operation on one of the most sensitive areas of their body.

No Jack


Never happen

[Kizzy]

'The Caitlyn effect'

What even is that? it's the worst way of transitioning, no emotional or family therapy just loads of surgery and a big 'reveal' to your stunned children?....pffft.

'One student, Sophie Beel, told local station Fox 2 St Louis: 'I find it offensive because Lila has not went through any procedure to become female, putting on a dress and putting on a wig is not transgender to me'.

Maybe the full transition would be a long time to wait however I do think that for her, family and school things are expected due to this 'Caitlyn effect' that things move quicker than they should.

Maybe the lads in a few months when they're used to seeing Perry around school will say they don't want a girl in their toilets?

[Niamh.]

Girls bathrooms are just a row of cubicles, I don't see why they're making such s big deal of it tbh

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Girls bathrooms are just a row of cubicles, I don't see why they're making such s big deal of it tbh

Oh.... I never thought of that. Yeah then, why the fuss?

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Girls bathrooms are just a row of cubicles, I don't see why they're making such s big deal of it tbh

..this really, I would be fine with it personally...

[Pete.]

Ja'mie continues to change lives

[armand.kay]

bye.

[Ninastar]

I'm sure rape victims will feel the need for seperate gendered toilets. If you're not comfortable pissing with people of the opposite gender in the room, it's not a crime.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Chaos

I'm sure rape victims will feel the need for seperate gendered toilets. If you're not comfortable pissing with people of the opposite gender in the room, it's not a crime.

Here's the thing though, this girl is not of the opposite gender. She is of the same gender. No problem.

As for rape victims, if someone had been raped by a member of the opposite sex in a toilet, then I'd go so far as to say it's a damn sight safer to have many more people in the same toilet to prevent and restrain things like that from happening. If someone wants to enter an opposite gender toilet to rape someone, they will. If everyone's going to the same toilet it makes it a hell of a lot more difficult.

Oh and of course, same sex rape is also a thing.

Originally Posted by Liam-

The idea of forcing students to share a unisex bathroom is actually ridiculous, yes we're all human, but not everyone would be comfortable with that at all, sex in school is a big enough problem enough as it is without making sexes share a communal bathroom

It's all about making kids comfortable, if the girls don't want someone who is still biologically a male using their bathroom then they shouldn't be allowed to, I'm all for making people who are going through personal things comfortable, but not at the expense of other people, there are normally separate disabled toilets around schools, let her use those if she doesn't feel comfortable going into the guys bathroom.

The only reason people aren't comfortable with it right now is because it's unusual because that's how everyone is socialised, to use separate toilets. Doesn't mean that's the way it has to be and just as people were conditioned into thinking that way, over time they could easily be turned the other way by creating more unisex toilets. Perhaps creating three toilets in public places to start with would be a good idea so if people don't care about sharing they can use the unisex one.

Sex in school is a separate issue but the people I know who did it in school did not choose a toilet, believe me and for those who do having more people in one toilet means it's easier to be monitored and again more difficult to get away with

As for people pondering over a trans person's biological sex, this shouldn't be happening. You are identified outwardly to other people on gender and gender alone, the only reason someone's physiological attributes should be of any concern to someone is if you wish to sleep with them. No other reason to be thinking about it, especially in one of the most personal and private moments such as a toilet. Again, people need to stop associating trans with sex reassignment surgery because not everyone wishes to transition, nor should they nor do they need to. How do you deal with this outside of school as an adult in a public place? So long as your gender aligns with that of the gender-assigned toilet, I don't see the problem. The toilets are divided by gender not sex, so unless there's going to be genital inspections upon entry then those who match the gender of the toilet should be free to enter it.

Of course this'd all be sorted by the creation of unisex toilets with cubicles only and would have the added benefit of being more inclusive to trans people and those who do not conform to the gender binary.

[Liam-]

The idea of forcing students to share a unisex bathroom is actually ridiculous, yes we're all human, but not everyone would be comfortable with that at all, sex in school is a big enough problem enough as it is without making sexes share a communal bathroom

It's all about making kids comfortable, if the girls don't want someone who is still biologically a male using their bathroom then they shouldn't be allowed to, I'm all for making people who are going through personal things comfortable, but not at the expense of other people, there are normally separate disabled toilets around schools, let her use those if she doesn't feel comfortable going into the guys bathroom.

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by Liam-

The idea of forcing students to share a unisex bathroom is actually ridiculous, yes we're all human, but not everyone would be comfortable with that at all, sex in school is a big enough problem enough as it is without making sexes share a communal bathroom

It's all about making kids comfortable, if the girls don't want someone who is still biologically a male using their bathroom then they shouldn't be allowed to, I'm all for making people who are going through personal things comfortable, but not at the expense of other people, there are normally separate disabled toilets around schools, let her use those if she doesn't feel comfortable going into the guys bathroom.

Preach preach preach ****ing preach