[the truth]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNrWuZV3jjw

[Marsh.]

Poor men.

[DemolitionRed]

What this proves is, a man hitting a woman makes him scum but a woman hitting a man is funny... sad, pathetic and cringe worthy.

The only thing I'd say is, he did come across a bit heavy handed. What he should of done was physically restrain her but I think he got the reaction he did because she fell to the ground a couple of times. Its normally assumed that a man can physically stick up for himself over a woman, whereas a woman is less likely able to defend herself against a man.

Made me feel very uncomfortable all the same.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

What this proves is, a man hitting a woman makes him scum but a woman hitting a man is funny... sad, pathetic and cringe worthy.

The only thing I'd say is, he did come across a bit heavy handed. What he should of done was physically restrain her but I think he got the reaction he did because she fell to the ground a couple of times. Its normally assumed that a man can physically stick up for himself over a woman, whereas a woman is less likely able to defend herself against a man.

Made me feel very uncomfortable all the same.

Yeah men do have to use abit of restraint as generally we are stronger.I say generally because there are some tough women out there.When we first met me and my gf used to get drunk alot and she hit me a few times.I never needed to hit her back.I just scared her into not doing it again.I would regret hitting a woman afterwards.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Yeah men do have to use abit of restraint as generally we are stronger.I say generally because there are some tough women out there.When we first met me and my gf used to get drunk alot and she hit me a few times.I never needed to hit her back.I just scared her into not doing it again.I would regret hitting a woman afterwards.

I suppose the term "reasonable force" probably applies here rather than making it a male/female thing. Obviously no one should ever hit anyone and people are perfectly entitled to defend themselves but you know, it'd be like if a 10 year old started hitting me, I'm not going to beat the s**t out of them like I could do but I would restrain them. It absolutely depends on the situation I think

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I suppose the term "reasonable force" probably applies here rather than making it a male/female thing. Obviously no one should ever hit anyone and people are perfectly entitled to defend themselves but you know, it'd be like if a 10 year old started hitting me, I'm not going to beat the s**t out of them like I could do but I would restrain them. It absolutely depends on the situation I think

Yeah,That probably sums it up best."reasonable force".
Also it is always the men who intervene.The men are the ones creating the inequality.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Yeah,That probably sums it up best."reasonable force".
Also it is always the men who intervene.The men are the ones creating the inequality.

ssshhhhh we can't point that out, it's surely the feminists fault somehow

[Withano]

I know the Truth didnt make a point but I'd imagine hes trying to highlight the inequality of men
Firstly shut up
Secondly how can we compare a woman lightly pushing a guy around because he was texting somebody else, to a man screaming and pushing a woman to the ground with force in retaliation to his wrongdoings
What a terrible experiment.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Withano

I know the Truth didnt make a point but I'd imagine hes trying to highlight the inequality of men
Firstly shut up
Secondly how can we compare a woman lightly pushing a guy around because he was texting somebody else, to a man screaming and pushing a woman to the ground with force in retaliation to his wrongdoings
What a terrible experiment.

Tbf I don't think pushing a woman to the floor is a bad method of restraint.It beats hitting her.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Tbf I don't think pushing a woman to the floor is a bad method of restraint.It beats hitting her.

Its not the worst. I'm just highlighting why the experiment means nothing. You cant make any conclusions about gender because of the differences in the way they behaved in this "social experiment".
You cant be like 'oh they ignored the lovers tiff, but they stand up against men who border on actual physical violence, therefore men are treated worse'.

No constant in an experiment = no real experiment = no conclusions.

It would have been interesting to see a weak looking man lightly shove a stronger looking woman with loud claims of her texting someone else before she pelted him to the ground with harrowing yells.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Withano

Its not the worst. I'm just highlighting why the experiment means nothing. You cant make any conclusions about gender because of the differences in the way they behaved in this "social experiment".
You cant be like 'oh they ignored the lovers tiff, but they stand up against men who border on actual physical violence, therefore men are treated worse'.

No constant in an experiment = no real experiment = no conclusions.

It would have been interesting to see a weak looking man lightly shove a stronger looking woman with loud claims of her texting someone else before she pelted him to the ground with harrowing yells.

That would be interesting to see the reactions of that.I'd like to see that video.If the woman was bigger in stature than the man.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

That would be interesting to see the reactions of that.I'd like to see that video.If the woman was bigger in stature than the man.

I had the pleasure of seeing that once. I was walking down the road with my friend who just happens to be a big black woman who works as a security guard. As we passed this guy he started verbally abusing her. We walked on trying to ignore him but he persisted and even started following us whilst shouting his mouth off. She suddenly stopped, calmly looked at me and said, "excuse me one moment" before walking up to him and with one strike putting him on the deck. He didn't fight back but I think he realized he'd met more than his match.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Withano

Its not the worst. I'm just highlighting why the experiment means nothing. You cant make any conclusions about gender because of the differences in the way they behaved in this "social experiment".
You cant be like 'oh they ignored the lovers tiff, but they stand up against men who border on actual physical violence, therefore men are treated worse'.

No constant in an experiment = no real experiment = no conclusions.

It would have been interesting to see a weak looking man lightly shove a stronger looking woman with loud claims of her texting someone else before she pelted him to the ground with harrowing yells.

Yes..an equal experiment would prove the point that this one is attempting to prove much better I think.

Though it does seem to be acceptable for women to hit men. On TV you see it all of the time...often in a 'funny' sense too.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Though it does seem to be acceptable for women to hit men. On TV you see it all of the time...often in a 'funny' sense too.

I only see that being used in a funny sense when the female is obviously weaker than the male, and the punch is used playfully.
I dont think many would see comedy in a female bodybuilder punching a skinny nervous looking male.
I think it will be hard to find a decent comparison, but I'd imagine people would react similarly

[Lostie!]

Originally Posted by Withano

I know the Truth didnt make a point but I'd imagine hes trying to highlight the inequality of men
Firstly shut up
Secondly how can we compare a woman lightly pushing a guy around because he was texting somebody else, to a man screaming and pushing a woman to the ground with force in retaliation to his wrongdoings
What a terrible experiment.

It was more than "lightly pushing a guy around". Sure, the guy's retaliation was more aggressive (in the first instance, not so much in the last one yet that wannabe hero still felt the need to jump in only when he retaliated), but the woman was still being plenty aggressive. As for focusing on "his wrongdoings", I find it hard to believe that people would be as forgiving if a man was "lightly pushing around" his girlfriend just because he suspected her of being unfaithful and putting all the blame for the situation on her faults. The only one ever to blame for violence in a relationship is the instigator of the violence, male or female irregardless.

Actually, that reminds me of another one of these experiments I saw (one where the level of aggression from both parties was pretty equal). One woman walking past while the woman was being aggressive did a little fist pump and when asked about it afterwards said "I just assumed he deserved it". Yet in the very same experiment, nobody voiced anything close to that attitude when the roles were reversed.

I know people ever bringing up the situations where men are disadvantaged is taboo on here for some reason but it isn't always unwarranted and to do so doesn't make someone a woman hater or a "meninist". Where domestic abuse is concerned, clearly there's still an issue in regards to the way female-on-male aggression is seen and I think it's good for it to be talked about. Actually, it isn't even confined to domestic abuse, the number of times I've seen a woman slapping a man (and not "lightly" either) used for comedy on TV and film is ridiculous.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Lostie!

It was more than "lightly pushing a guy around". Sure, the guy's retaliation was more aggressive

Actually, that reminds me of another one of these experiments I saw (one where the level of aggression from both parties was pretty equal). One woman walking past while the woman was being aggressive did a little fist pump and when asked about it afterwards said "I just assumed he deserved it". Yet in the very same experiment, nobody voiced anything close to that attitude when the roles were reversed.

I mean, this was more the point I was making.
The social experiment means nothing because of the reason I left from within your first paragraph, and it would be interesting to see a video like the one you saw to have a discussion on this properly.

[Lostie!]

Originally Posted by Withano

I mean, this was more the point I was making.
The social experiment means nothing because of the reason I left from within your first paragraph, and it would be interesting to see a video like the one you saw to have a discussion on this properly.

But the part of my first paragraph you left intact was in reference only to the first section of the experiment. The last section had the woman being the more aggressive party in my opinion (and he's hardly some big burly muscle man is he?), and yet still only the man's retaliation spurred intervention. I thought that was worthy of discussion.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Lostie!

But the part of my first paragraph you left intact was in reference only to the first section of the experiment. The last section had the woman being the more aggressive party in my opinion (and he's hardly some big burly muscle man is he?), and yet still only the man's retaliation spurred intervention. I thought that was worthy of discussion.

I dont entirely agree, the female was the one who was pushed to the ground in a way which would suggest she was no longer able to defend herself, whereas the man stays calm and on two legs whilst blocking her hits throughout.
Its just a terrible social experiment made by children, for children. I dont think this it says anything about human behaviour. It would (still) be interesting to see an experiment which does.

[smudgie]

If a woman hits a man she should be aware of the consequences.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by smudgie

If a woman hits a man she should be aware of the consequences.

I do agree.However i think the consequences should be a little measured.Not a full blown jaw breaking left hook.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by smudgie

If a woman hits a man she should be aware of the consequences.

With the video at the top it seems as if youre suggesting that the consequences should be physical retaliation, instead of jail time/police trouble?

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by Withano

With the video at the top it seems as if youre suggesting that the consequences should be physical retaliation, instead of jail time/police trouble?

I am talking real life, not some set up scenario on video.
Sometimes a quick slap back is better than the police time etc.
Some people react differently to others. Therefore be aware of the consequences before you lash out, male or female.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by smudgie

I am talking real life, not some set up scenario on video.
Sometimes a quick slap back is better than the police time etc. .

can you give me an exmple of a time where physical/violent retaliation is the most appropriate course of action. I cant think of any.

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by Withano

can you give me an exmple of a time where physical/violent retaliation is the most appropriate course of action. I cant think of any.

Yes, in my teens.
If you didn't hit back you would get more of it on a regular basis.
Forget about grassing people up for a drunken argy bargy as well, life wouldn't have been worth living.
I suppose the rough side of life must have been really tougher back in the day.

[Kizzy]

The level of abuse although unwarranted even given the supposed provocation, the level of violence and the shouting was ramped up when the scene switched to the male abusing the female... Why was he shouting 'I'm a man!' while pushing her to the ground?

The two scenarios although conjoined were nothing alike. In one the woman portrayed as a wronged reactive hysterical female lashing out, and in the next the man is seen giving no other explanation for his dominance and aggression while knocking her to the ground other than ' don't hit me, I'm a man'.

For this to be an accurate response video then the language, tone and level of violence needed to be consistent between the two.