[Swan]

Anything, everything, offence.....Banned/Cancelled

She tried to ban everything she didn't like, the epitome of Right wing politics in the 60's/70's/80's.

She was a ****head, granted. But her work is still being done, and ironically, spearheaded by the hard left!

I studied the censorship of video nasties, free speech, be free to watch and say what you like (with in reason).

Yes we progress, but free speech is dying, Mary would be proud!

[bots]

yeah, i think mary would be very happy with how things have gone since her time

[Cherie]

Funny how the wheel turns really, these would be her days for sure

[Beso]

Theres not much being cancelled on the TV these days, so no. I dont think we are

[The Slim Reaper]

Just out of curiosity, what exactly have the hard left cancelled?

You don't think the far right and it's government, with all of the power in the country have cancelled anything or is supressing speech in anyway?

[jet]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Just out of curiosity, what exactly have the hard left cancelled?

You don't think the far right and it's government, with all of the power in the country have cancelled anything or is supressing speech in anyway?

The conservatives are seeking to reform Labours old Human Rights Act...I hope this goes ahead...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...eader-comments
March 2022

Free speech to get legal supremacy, says Dominic Raab as he unveils plan to stop democratic debate being 'whittled away by wokery' in major victory over cancel culture
Deputy PM Raab warns democratic debate is being 'whittled away by wokery'
He says that the principle of free speech will become a legal 'trump card' after unveiling plans to replace Labour's Human Rights Act with a British Bill of Rights
The changes will protect media freedom and allow press to expose wrongdoing


Justice Secretary Mr Raab exclusively told the Mail about the proposed reforms
The proposed reforms will seek to reverse the corrosion of long-held freedoms by ‘cancel culture’, political correctness and creeping moves towards European-style privacy by the back door driven by judicial interpretations of the Human Rights Act, he says.
The changes will protect media freedom, allowing the Press to continue to expose corruption and wrongdoing, and allow individuals to speak their minds.
The landmark proposals, currently out for consultation, are expected to be included in the Queen’s Speech later this year.
Mr Raab, who is also the Justice Secretary, told the Mail: ‘Effectively, free speech will be given what will amount to “trump card” status in a whole range of areas……
……Harry Potter author JK Rowling and other public figures have been vilified for voicing concerns over an erosion of women’s rights by the transgender lobby, for example.
Only this week, the creator of comedy series Father Ted Graham Linehan declared that he had been ‘thoroughly cancelled’ and that trans activists had cost him his family and his marriage. Recent years have seen cancel culture extend across society, with growing numbers attacked in public life, on university campuses and on social media for expressing their views…etc…..

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by jet

The conservatives are seeking to reform Labours old Human Rights Act...I hope this goes ahead...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...eader-comments
March 2022

Free speech to get legal supremacy, says Dominic Raab as he unveils plan to stop democratic debate being 'whittled away by wokery' in major victory over cancel culture
Deputy PM Raab warns democratic debate is being 'whittled away by wokery'
He says that the principle of free speech will become a legal 'trump card' after unveiling plans to replace Labour's Human Rights Act with a British Bill of Rights
The changes will protect media freedom and allow press to expose wrongdoing


Justice Secretary Mr Raab exclusively told the Mail about the proposed reforms
The proposed reforms will seek to reverse the corrosion of long-held freedoms by ‘cancel culture’, political correctness and creeping moves towards European-style privacy by the back door driven by judicial interpretations of the Human Rights Act, he says.
The changes will protect media freedom, allowing the Press to continue to expose corruption and wrongdoing, and allow individuals to speak their minds.
The landmark proposals, currently out for consultation, are expected to be included in the Queen’s Speech later this year.
Mr Raab, who is also the Justice Secretary, told the Mail: ‘Effectively, free speech will be given what will amount to “trump card” status in a whole range of areas……
……Harry Potter author JK Rowling and other public figures have been vilified for voicing concerns over an erosion of women’s rights by the transgender lobby, for example.
Only this week, the creator of comedy series Father Ted Graham Linehan declared that he had been ‘thoroughly cancelled’ and that trans activists had cost him his family and his marriage. Recent years have seen cancel culture extend across society, with growing numbers attacked in public life, on university campuses and on social media for expressing their views…etc…..

Do you have any opinions of your own to add, Jet? You do know that raab is on record as not actually supporting the human rights act at all, and doesn't even believe in economic and social rights?

We already discussed Linehan. His wife left him and he called that being cancelled. JK is a billionaire with a public and major platform. How in your opinion is that being cancelled?

[bots]

unfortunately, this tory government have a record of not being trustworthy, they may say it's for a particular reason and it's actually for some completely different agenda. Raab is among the worst of them too

[jet]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Do you have any opinions of your own to add, Jet? You do know that raab is on record as not actually supporting the human rights act at all, and doesn't even believe in economic and social rights?

We already discussed Linehan. His wife left him and he called that being cancelled. JK is a billionaire with a public and major platform. How in your opinion is that being cancelled?

I gave my opinion- that I hope Dominic Raabs proposal of reforming the Labours Human Rights act goes ahead.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by jet

The conservatives are seeking to reform Labours old Human Rights Act...I hope this goes ahead...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...eader-comments
March 2022

Free speech to get legal supremacy, says Dominic Raab as he unveils plan to stop democratic debate being 'whittled away by wokery' in major victory over cancel culture
Deputy PM Raab warns democratic debate is being 'whittled away by wokery'
He says that the principle of free speech will become a legal 'trump card' after unveiling plans to replace Labour's Human Rights Act with a British Bill of Rights
The changes will protect media freedom and allow press to expose wrongdoing


Justice Secretary Mr Raab exclusively told the Mail about the proposed reforms
The proposed reforms will seek to reverse the corrosion of long-held freedoms by ‘cancel culture’, political correctness and creeping moves towards European-style privacy by the back door driven by judicial interpretations of the Human Rights Act, he says.
The changes will protect media freedom, allowing the Press to continue to expose corruption and wrongdoing, and allow individuals to speak their minds.
The landmark proposals, currently out for consultation, are expected to be included in the Queen’s Speech later this year.
Mr Raab, who is also the Justice Secretary, told the Mail: ‘Effectively, free speech will be given what will amount to “trump card” status in a whole range of areas……
……Harry Potter author JK Rowling and other public figures have been vilified for voicing concerns over an erosion of women’s rights by the transgender lobby, for example.
Only this week, the creator of comedy series Father Ted Graham Linehan declared that he had been ‘thoroughly cancelled’ and that trans activists had cost him his family and his marriage. Recent years have seen cancel culture extend across society, with growing numbers attacked in public life, on university campuses and on social media for expressing their views…etc…..

The only thing I feel that the right need to be careful on is how far will this new law go if it gets passed through?

For example if someone said "I feel like raping someone tomorrow" because they haven't actually raped anyone, does that give that person a pass? Because I wouldn't feel comfortable with people getting away with saying stuff like that and being able to use the "free speech" card.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Just out of curiosity, what exactly have the hard left cancelled?

You don't think the far right and it's government, with all of the power in the country have cancelled anything or is supressing speech in anyway?

The far Right definitely got Holby City cancelled imo.

[Oliver_W]

While people do seem to be following her example in trying to "cancel" things or people they disagree with, they're rarely successful tbh.

Like, the hatemob is always coming for JK Rowling whenever she points out that men (including transwomen) and women aren't exactly the same, but Wozarding World films and games are still coming out, the tourist traps are popular as ever... Dave Chapelle and Ricky Gervais just either ignore or mock people who come for them ...

offhand I can't even think of anyone who's been actively "canceled" by the online hatemobs, but it might feel like it happens if you read too much twitter or trash articles.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

While people do seem to be following her example in trying to "cancel" things or people they disagree with, they're rarely successful tbh.

Like, the hatemob is always coming for JK Rowling whenever she points out that men (including transwomen) and women aren't exactly the same, but Wozarding World films and games are still coming out, the tourist traps are popular as ever... Dave Chapelle and Ricky Gervais just either ignore or mock people who come for them ...

offhand I can't even think of anyone who's been actively "canceled" by the online hatemobs, but it might feel like it happens if you read too much twitter or trash articles.

Kathleen Stock, Maya Forstater, Erika Christakis, Dr. Nicholas Christakis, Bret Weinstein (no relation to Harvey )

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Kathleen Stock, Maya Forstater, Erika Christakis, Dr. Nicholas Christakis, Bret Weinstein (no relation to Harvey )

Okay I stand corrected!

[The Slim Reaper]

So no ones been cancelled, and multi-millionaires and billionaires still have careers after being questioned on things they've said?

Wasn't she a christian fundie who's idea around cancellation was anything that went against a semi-literal reading of the bible?

Julian Assange has been imprisoned for doing journalism, but omg I can't believe someone called Jim Davidson a racist for his chalky character, the left is out of control.

There is a reason you're all being fed this complete fcuking nonsense whilst the government is destroying your living conditions, your freedoms, and your actual rights, not the inconsequential pretend ones that decree no one in power should ever be challenged about anything.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

There is a reason you're all being fed this complete fcuking nonsense whilst the government is destroying your living conditions, your freedoms, and your actual rights, not the inconsequential pretend ones that decree no one in power should ever be challenged about anything.

How can you see this, but NOT see that the most affected by exactly what you're talking about are those who are armpit-deep in naval gazing identity politics and hyperindividualism? Like yes... I agree with you... I agree that it's deliberate... But you seem a little shy about telling off those whose attention has been the most successfully diverted inwards. I feel like you've been open enough about the reason for that to be fair (a hesitancy to risk being inadvertently "associated with the wrong side/actual bigots") but I also feel like it significantly erodes the point you're trying to make.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

How can you see this, but NOT see that the most affected by exactly what you're talking about are those who are armpit-deep in naval gazing identity politics and hyperindividualism? Like yes... I agree with you... I agree that it's deliberate... But you seem a little shy about telling off those whose attention has been the most successfully diverted inwards. I feel like you've been open enough about the reason for that to be fair (a hesitancy to risk being inadvertently "associated with the wrong side/actual bigots") but I also feel like it significantly erodes the point you're trying to make.

This whole cancellation bs is culture war/identity politics that doesn't actually exist.

I'm not really sure what you mean when it comes to "the most affected."

Who do you think I should be telling off and for what reason, exactly? No need to use language around the margins, just say.

The last part is pure projection. If you think I wouldn't say something because it wouldn't be popular, then that's just weird. About 95% of my opinions on here are in direct opposition to the forum orthodoxy.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

This whole cancellation bs is culture war/identity politics that doesn't actually exist.

I'm not really sure what you mean when it comes to "the most affected."

Who do you think I should be telling off and for what reason, exactly? No need to use language around the margins, just say.

The last part is pure projection. If you think I wouldn't say something because it wouldn't be popular, then that's just weird. About 95% of my opinions on here are in direct opposition to the forum orthodoxy.

I did say. The people who are armpit-deep in identity politics and hyperindividualism. This isn't some thinly veiled euphemism... Proponents of hyperindividualism are a quite clear cultural group. This is the best way I can put it. Others might call it "the woke left" - I'm actually trying to be more accurate.

[bots]

i think there has been an insidious change in society that has happened gradually over time. To the point where the only way you can identify it is by looking to the past and comparing to now. To many times I hear the statement, you would never get away with that today. If that's not censorship, i don't know what is

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i think there has been an insidious change in society that has happened gradually over time. To the point where the only way you can identify it is by looking to the past and comparing to now. To many times I hear the statement, you would never get away with that today. If that's not censorship, i don't know what is

Have you read The Coddling of the American Mind BOTS? It's a really interesting read.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i think there has been an insidious change in society that has happened gradually over time. To the point where the only way you can identify it is by looking to the past and comparing to now. To many times I hear the statement, you would never get away with that today. If that's not censorship, i don't know what is

I'm not sure that is an even remotely accurate description of censorship. Otherwise folks that say things such as "back in my day we didn't..." could also be classed as censoring. the statement "you'd never get away with owning slaves today" is not censorship of slavery.

It's also based on the false premise that everything that happened in the past was better. People still have exactly the same rights to be bigots, nice people, or anything in between, the only difference is that people might have to justify it these days.

Most of the people that have been called cancelled have bigger platforms than ever, either in newspapers, tv, or with regular appearances on rogans podcasts.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

I'm not sure that is an even remotely accurate description of censorship. Otherwise folks that say things such as "back in my day we didn't..." could also be classed as censoring. the statement "you'd never get away with owning slaves today" is not censorship of slavery.

It's also based on the false premise that everything that happened in the past was better. People still have exactly the same rights to be bigots, nice people, or anything in between, the only difference is that people might have to justify it these days.

Most of the people that have been called cancelled have bigger platforms than ever, either in newspapers, tv, or with regular appearances on rogans podcasts.

The examples I gave of people who had been cancelled may have platforms now but being on platforms wasn't their job, most of them were College professors

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

The examples I gave of people who had been cancelled may have platforms now but being on platforms wasn't their job, most of them were College professors

Well Weinstein, for example, has also been a staple on the alt-right media circuit for years. He resigned from his job as a professor.

I don't know all of the names on your list but I know some resigned and one actually won a tribunal for being fired, which shows that cancellation isn't as final as suggested. People are fired incorrectly and win tribunals everyday

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Well Weinstein, for example, has also been a staple on the alt-right media circuit for years. He resigned from his job as a professor.

I don't know all of the names on your list but I know some resigned and one actually won a tribunal for being fired, which shows that cancellation isn't as final as suggested. People are fired incorrectly and win tribunals everyday

He resigned from his job as professor because he had to resign for his own safety and because his "cancellation" was preventing him from being able to do his job. What do you think about that whole Evergreen story? Also, what do you mean he's a staple on the alt right media circuit? Do you mean he is alt right or alt right people use his story to push their agenda?

Regarding Maya Forstater, yes she won her tribunal that doesn't cancel her cancellation, you asked for examples and I gave them to you

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i think there has been an insidious change in society that has happened gradually over time. To the point where the only way you can identify it is by looking to the past and comparing to now. To many times I hear the statement, you would never get away with that today. If that's not censorship, i don't know what is

Well because by and large we should being more progressive and open to new things, not making people's lives more limited than they were 20 years ago.