[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

I'm not sure that is an even remotely accurate description of censorship. Otherwise folks that say things such as "back in my day we didn't..." could also be classed as censoring. the statement "you'd never get away with owning slaves today" is not censorship of slavery.

It's also based on the false premise that everything that happened in the past was better. People still have exactly the same rights to be bigots, nice people, or anything in between, the only difference is that people might have to justify it these days.

Most of the people that have been called cancelled have bigger platforms than ever, either in newspapers, tv, or with regular appearances on rogans podcasts.

The examples I gave of people who had been cancelled may have platforms now but being on platforms wasn't their job, most of them were College professors

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

The examples I gave of people who had been cancelled may have platforms now but being on platforms wasn't their job, most of them were College professors

Well Weinstein, for example, has also been a staple on the alt-right media circuit for years. He resigned from his job as a professor.

I don't know all of the names on your list but I know some resigned and one actually won a tribunal for being fired, which shows that cancellation isn't as final as suggested. People are fired incorrectly and win tribunals everyday

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Well Weinstein, for example, has also been a staple on the alt-right media circuit for years. He resigned from his job as a professor.

I don't know all of the names on your list but I know some resigned and one actually won a tribunal for being fired, which shows that cancellation isn't as final as suggested. People are fired incorrectly and win tribunals everyday

He resigned from his job as professor because he had to resign for his own safety and because his "cancellation" was preventing him from being able to do his job. What do you think about that whole Evergreen story? Also, what do you mean he's a staple on the alt right media circuit? Do you mean he is alt right or alt right people use his story to push their agenda?

Regarding Maya Forstater, yes she won her tribunal that doesn't cancel her cancellation, you asked for examples and I gave them to you

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

He resigned from his job as professor because he had to resign for his own safety and because his "cancellation" was preventing him from being able to do his job. What do you think about that whole Evergreen story? Also, what do you mean he's a staple on the alt right media circuit? Do you mean he is alt right or alt right people use his story to push their agenda?

Regarding Maya Forstater, yes she won her tribunal that doesn't cancel her cancellation, you asked for examples and I gave them to you

He's telling you he resigned for his own safety. Either he was cancelled or he wasn't. You can't cancel yourself then cry that you've been cancelled. He had his job until he decided he didn't - he wasn't cancelled. No I meant that he's very popular on alt-right media, making many regular appearances. He's like a Dave Rubin with brains - he calls himself progressive or liberal, but isn't. He uses the self labelling to attack the positions he says he holds. It's a great little earner for the previous members of the self titled IDW group.

I don't know whether or not he is alt-right, I know he isn't progressive but pretends he is. He was a trump supporter.


Resigning isn't being cancelled. If you worked in a shop and all of your co-workers said you should resign, but the management didn't, have you been cancelled?

If you've been fired, then won at tribunal then maybe cancel culture isn't really the all consuming power it's being made out to be. As stated previously, people in all walks of life, lose their jobs for reasons not deemed legal. This shows that the system works (to a degree), way more than it proves anything about so-called cancellation.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

He's telling you he resigned for his own safety. Either he was cancelled or he wasn't. You can't self cancel yourself then cry that you've been cancelled. He had his job until he decided he didn't - he wasn't cancelled. No I meant that he's very popular on alt-right media, making many regular appearances. He's like a Dave Rubin with brains - he calls himself progressive or liberal, but isn't. He uses the self labelling to attack the positions he says he holds. It's a great little earner for the previous members of the self titled IDW group.

I don't know whether or not he is alt-right, I know he isn't progressive but pretends he is. He was a trump supporter.


Resigning isn't being cancelled. If you worked in a shop and all of your co-workers said you should resign, but the management didn't, have you been cancelled?

If you've been fired, then won at tribunal then maybe cancel culture isn't really the all consuming power it's being made out to be. As stated previously, people in all walks of life, lose their jobs for reasons not deemed legal. This shows that the system works (to a degree), way more than it proves anything about so-called cancellation.

I've read a fair bit about the Evergreen thing, watched video footage etc, it's not just his words that I'm believing. He was seriously harassed there and the College really let him down imo. I disagree with you that making someones life so uncomfortable that they resign isn't a form of cancellation

Being able to bounce back or get some form of life back afterwards doesn't mean that cancel culture isn't a thing. I've personally never stated that it's all consuming or can never be rectified

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I've read a fair bit about the Evergreen thing, watched video footage etc, it's not just his words that I'm believing. He was seriously harassed there and the College really let him down imo. I disagree with you that making someones life so uncomfortable that they resign isn't a form of cancellation

Being able to bounce back or get some form of life back afterwards doesn't mean that cancel culture isn't a thing. I've personally never stated that it's all consuming or can never be rectified

It's pretty difficult to discuss cancelled folks who haven't been cancelled, but it's ok to disagree. We've both put our views forward and now there is nowhere else to go.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

It's pretty difficult to discuss cancelled folks who haven't been cancelled, but it's ok to disagree. We've both put our views forward and now there is nowhere else to go.

Fair enough

[bots]

i cant believe that slim is arguing against the fact that we are being censored more these days when laws have been passed that we can now only protest quietly and thats but 1 small example

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i cant believe that slim is arguing against the fact that we are being censored more these days when laws have been passed that we can now only protest quietly and thats but 1 small example

No, I argued your definition of censorship was incorrect. The thread is about the hard left cancelling everything, but the governmental infringements on liberties and speech is authoritarian right. Two different things and issues altogether.

My first post in the thread makes a similar point as yours re the government.

[Cherie]

What about Kathleen Stock, I suppose technically you could say she wasn't cancelled but had to run the gamut of protesting students and abusive graffitti to work every day, I dont know in whose world that is acceptable for having an opinion on womens rights