[Benjamin]

Just caught up on yesterdays show. I wasn’t a fan of Hallie prior to now because of her attitude, but last night just showed she doesn’t believe she has done anything wrong and BB are the ones who were in the wrong. She’s got such a bad attitude. It’s not even entertaining anymore, she’s like the new Kitten.

[vesavius]

Yeah, she is embarrassing.

[Ammi]

…yeah, it’s for sure a struggle to find positives in her behaviour atm…but I’m thinking she’ll be up for eviction next week…maybe not Olivia, though…because she’s shown genuine regret…

[GoldHeart]

Sitting in jail in the rain , is not punishment enough. The second part of the rule break is even more pathetic on BB's part ....all she has to do is wear a silly outfit . Make her face the public vote!!!!,these weak punishments are boring AF .

Haillie is not sorry , she's just sorry she got caught. Zero remorse ...and she can suck up those fake tears ,she doesn't fool me . She laughed,and then in the garden & Dr she's acted like a entitled brat as usual.

It was so cringe the way she kept trying to cover her ass with damage control with Zak & Noky . False apology, nothing genuine about her .

[Gusto Brunt]

Originally Posted by vesavius

Yeah, she is embarrassing.

It's the swearing that's the worst. Just awful and unnecessary.

[MTVN]

She was okay when she'd calmed down and apologised to people but I really hate the way she shouts at BB during her strops, it's so foul and degrading to her

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by MTVN

She was okay when she'd calmed down and apologised to people but I really hate the way she shouts at BB during her strops, it's so foul and degrading to her

I feel her apology was false though and done merely to try save herself not because she was actually sorry.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Benjamin

I feel her apology was false though and done merely to try save herself not because she was actually sorry.

True, she was trying to dodge responsibility by saying to Zak that other people had started the stuff about him being a gameplayer even though she went on about it way more than anyone

[rusticgal]

I find her completely fake...she's trying to do a 'Nikki'....she makes everything about herself and her and Olivia act like a pair of 5 year olds.

[AnnieK]

She allows others to influence her behaviour. When they were in jail Hallie was quiet until Olivia started creating then Hallie stood up and started shouting louder and having a strop. I think if Olivia had kept quiet, Hallie would have done too and taken her punishment. That is definitely her age showing.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

She allows others to influence her behaviour. When they were in jail Hallie was quiet until Olivia started creating then Hallie stood up and started shouting louder and having a strop. I think if Olivia had kept quiet, Hallie would have done too and taken her punishment. That is definitely her age showing.

Her age????....she's 18 not 5 Annie.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Her age????....she's 18 not 5 Annie.

Ikr I'm fed up of her age being used of an excuse.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Ikr I'm fed up of her age being used of an excuse.

Right? They go in as adults they should be held to adult standards.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Ikr I'm fed up of her age being used of an excuse.

It’s important to remember her age because she comes across as immature rather than a really nasty person

Plus I think a lot of what she does is playing the class clown to be popular rather than being nasty.

Plus it’s big brother it’s not easy living in that environment

[Redway]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Her age????....she's 18 not 5 Annie.

18 is pretty young.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Garfie

Much as I don’t like her behaviour which can be very immature, I don’t believe that Hallie is perceiving being a woman as a novelty that will wear off. As she says, she has always been a woman trapped inside a man’s body, and I trust her on that. I think we have to respect the fact that she knows who she is at her core, and I think maybe the tantrums will naturally decrease when she has had her op and feels complete as the woman she is.

Originally Posted by Garfie

Just to add, I think her behaviour is due to her personality and attitude rather than gender, and I don’t agree that Olivia is to blame for the poor choices that Hallie makes. Hallie made the choice to kick off several times about the camping task and the food provided without any influence from Olivia.

I think this was Hallie’s character before she entered the house, and that she is partly exaggerating it for the cameras. Maybe she comes from a household where people communicate by shouting. Whatever the reason, at the end of the day, at 18, you know what behaviour is appropriate and what is not, and if you are naturally impulsive - which I think she is- you have to make the effort to learn to control it if you don’t want to go through life in a constant state of conflict.

…yeah I agree, Garfie…I think any behaviour is a part of Hallie’s character and not gender related…although, I’m not sure whether any transitioning hormone treatments might ‘enhance’ any emotional responses, I honestly don’t know…and I agree that she has to learn to consider others around her and that’s another journey she has to take…I’d like to see her interact with others more and a more positive balance that we haven’t seen yet…and especially now as she’s such a nomination target, this could be her last week in the house…

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…yeah I agree, Garfie…I think any behaviour is a part of Hallie’s character and not gender related…although, I’m not sure whether any transitioning hormone treatments might ‘enhance’ any emotional responses, I honestly don’t know…and I agree that she has to learn to consider others around her and that’s another journey she has to take…I’d like to see her interact with others more and a more positive balance that we haven’t seen yet…and especially now as she’s such a nomination target, this could be her last week in the house…

That’s a good point, Ammi. Like you, I don’t know enough about the hormone treatments when transitioning but I think it could be safe to assume they involve lowering testosterone and increasing oestrogen which could have an impact. And it is true that, during both puberty and menopause, when hormones are in a state of flux, there is a massive impact on mood and temperament. You might have hit on something there that is affecting or exaggerating her behaviour.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Zizu

See I’m old fashioned and struggling with all this new stuff … so forgive me

What is the difference between Halle feeling like a female trapped in a male body and a guy who naturally behaves extremely femininely ?


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Effeminate gay men are just that, while transwomen have a mental disorder called gender dysphoria. Comparable to body dysmorphia, or a disorder where someone thinks they're fat.

Originally Posted by Redway

18 is pretty young.

Agreed, and she spent nearly three of the "growing up years" in lock down.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Effeminate gay men are just that, while transwomen have a mental disorder called gender dysphoria. Comparable to body dysmorphia, or a disorder where someone thinks they're fat.


Agreed, and she spent nearly three of the "growing up years" in lock down.

Still not really close to agreeing with your belief that trans people are just mentally ill but we’ve been here before and your opinion’s clearly set.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

She allows others to influence her behaviour. When they were in jail Hallie was quiet until Olivia started creating then Hallie stood up and started shouting louder and having a strop. I think if Olivia had kept quiet, Hallie would have done too and taken her punishment. That is definitely her age showing.

Is that being influenced though or not wanting to be out done by Olivia

[Crimson Dynamo]

Its clear Hallie gets away with murder with her mum

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Its clear Hallie gets away with murder with her mum

Olivia has openly admitted the same. She said she gets her own way at home all the time - it clearly shows with her too

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

Olivia has openly admitted the same. She said she gets her own way at home all the time - it clearly shows with her too

Yes it does

[AnnieK]

Never said she wasn't an adult - but I know I was far more likely to follow the crowd at 18 than how i would act now

If you think an 18 year old has the same maturity as an older adult, I would massively disagree

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

Never said she wasn't an adult - but I know I was far more likely to follow the crowd at 18 than how i would act now

If you think an 18 year old has the same maturity as an older adult, I would massively disagree

Agree, people are still massively immature and inexperienced in life at 18