[Rustic bauble]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

She allows others to influence her behaviour. When they were in jail Hallie was quiet until Olivia started creating then Hallie stood up and started shouting louder and having a strop. I think if Olivia had kept quiet, Hallie would have done too and taken her punishment. That is definitely her age showing.

Her age????....she's 18 not 5 Annie.

[Christmas Lights]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Her age????....she's 18 not 5 Annie.

Ikr I'm fed up of her age being used of an excuse.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Ikr I'm fed up of her age being used of an excuse.

Right? They go in as adults they should be held to adult standards.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Ikr I'm fed up of her age being used of an excuse.

It’s important to remember her age because she comes across as immature rather than a really nasty person

Plus I think a lot of what she does is playing the class clown to be popular rather than being nasty.

Plus it’s big brother it’s not easy living in that environment

[Urban Cragou]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Her age????....she's 18 not 5 Annie.

18 is pretty young.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Garfie

Much as I don’t like her behaviour which can be very immature, I don’t believe that Hallie is perceiving being a woman as a novelty that will wear off. As she says, she has always been a woman trapped inside a man’s body, and I trust her on that. I think we have to respect the fact that she knows who she is at her core, and I think maybe the tantrums will naturally decrease when she has had her op and feels complete as the woman she is.

Originally Posted by Garfie

Just to add, I think her behaviour is due to her personality and attitude rather than gender, and I don’t agree that Olivia is to blame for the poor choices that Hallie makes. Hallie made the choice to kick off several times about the camping task and the food provided without any influence from Olivia.

I think this was Hallie’s character before she entered the house, and that she is partly exaggerating it for the cameras. Maybe she comes from a household where people communicate by shouting. Whatever the reason, at the end of the day, at 18, you know what behaviour is appropriate and what is not, and if you are naturally impulsive - which I think she is- you have to make the effort to learn to control it if you don’t want to go through life in a constant state of conflict.

…yeah I agree, Garfie…I think any behaviour is a part of Hallie’s character and not gender related…although, I’m not sure whether any transitioning hormone treatments might ‘enhance’ any emotional responses, I honestly don’t know…and I agree that she has to learn to consider others around her and that’s another journey she has to take…I’d like to see her interact with others more and a more positive balance that we haven’t seen yet…and especially now as she’s such a nomination target, this could be her last week in the house…

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…yeah I agree, Garfie…I think any behaviour is a part of Hallie’s character and not gender related…although, I’m not sure whether any transitioning hormone treatments might ‘enhance’ any emotional responses, I honestly don’t know…and I agree that she has to learn to consider others around her and that’s another journey she has to take…I’d like to see her interact with others more and a more positive balance that we haven’t seen yet…and especially now as she’s such a nomination target, this could be her last week in the house…

That’s a good point, Ammi. Like you, I don’t know enough about the hormone treatments when transitioning but I think it could be safe to assume they involve lowering testosterone and increasing oestrogen which could have an impact. And it is true that, during both puberty and menopause, when hormones are in a state of flux, there is a massive impact on mood and temperament. You might have hit on something there that is affecting or exaggerating her behaviour.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Zizu

See I’m old fashioned and struggling with all this new stuff … so forgive me

What is the difference between Halle feeling like a female trapped in a male body and a guy who naturally behaves extremely femininely ?


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Effeminate gay men are just that, while transwomen have a mental disorder called gender dysphoria. Comparable to body dysmorphia, or a disorder where someone thinks they're fat.

Originally Posted by Redway

18 is pretty young.

Agreed, and she spent nearly three of the "growing up years" in lock down.

[Urban Cragou]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Effeminate gay men are just that, while transwomen have a mental disorder called gender dysphoria. Comparable to body dysmorphia, or a disorder where someone thinks they're fat.


Agreed, and she spent nearly three of the "growing up years" in lock down.

Still not really close to agreeing with your belief that trans people are just mentally ill but we’ve been here before and your opinion’s clearly set.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Redway

Still not really close to agreeing with your belief that trans people are just mentally ill but we’ve been here before and your opinion’s clearly set.

Because there's no reason for my mind to be changed

[Urban Cragou]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Because there's no reason for my mind to be changed

Not even the risk of coming off like a total transphobe?

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Redway

Not even the risk of coming off like a total transphobe?

I'm not transphobic, I wish them no ill.

I'm not anorexiaphobic either, or depressionphobic, etc etc.

I wouldn't stigmatise any form of mental ill-health.