[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

well said

And who has said that. Certain people read between the lines of other peoples’ concerns and make their own interpretation of what they actually think. They don’t care about how the concerns are expressed they just see that they don’t support large scale immigration therefore they are whatever nasty word they pick. It isn’t clever or necessarily true - but they don’t care - they will attach that label to suit.

People then develop a tough skin - they have to.

[chuff me dizzy]

Can I just ask the people who would fill our small island with these people ...... Do you have a spare room or a sofa ,if so why don't YOU take a few of them into your home ?

[Livia]

Our infrastructure is under enormous pressure, people are homeless, people are jobless, the NHS is struggling... there is no more room to be able to allow people to wander in. We must of course continue take genuine refugees, especially families, through the UN. We can't let everyone in because they think it's easier here.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Livia

Our infrastructure is under enormous pressure, people are homeless, people are jobless, the NHS is struggling... there is no more room to be able to allow people to wander in. We must of course continue take genuine refugees, especially families, through the UN. We can't let everyone in because they think it's easier here.

yeah ok maybe not in UK is the ideal place for some of the families, perhaps in another country where there are less problems


UK should solve it's own problems first and then think of this tbh

[Beso]

Half these cowardly men have probably fled for fear of death, leaving thier wives and kids to be raped and killed.. .such brave honourable men...**** off home.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

There's a fundamental misunderstanding, really, that anyone who is against mistreatment if human beings "wants open borders and to let anyone in!!!"

No.

We shouldn't have open borders, it's impossible to accept all asylum seekers let alone other immigrants. That's true. Here's the thing though;

You don't have to be vicious about it.

The jeering, spitefulness and hatred directed at migrants themselves is completely unnecessary. No it's not possible for the world to move to Europe and solutions need to be found... But if it was any of us in one of these struggling countries, we would be doing the exact same thing.

We don't have to abandon empathy and compassion in order to control our borders. People can be turned away considerately without resorting to bleating "nyyyeeeerrrrrr dirty get back to yer own country!!".

It's because people like that don't really have a leg to stand on in an argument unless they misrepresent things to suit their viewpoints. Any kind of empathy towards immigrants = WE WANT OPEN BORDERS! LET EVERYONE IN!

The whole blaming of 'liberals' and all the twisted arguments fall apart when you look at things realistically but that would mean people who use those arguments would have to listen to things they don't want to hear and that'll never happen. Who cares about the truth or facts as long as someone's spinning a tale that appeals to you?

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Half these cowardly men have probably fled for fear of death, leaving thier wives and kids to be raped and killed.. .such brave honourable men...**** off home.

While they come over here to rape our children and women

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Half these cowardly men have probably fled for fear of death, leaving thier wives and kids to be raped and killed.. .such brave honourable men...**** off home.

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

While they come over here to rape our children and women

****ing hell. Nasty nasty nasty.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It's because people like that don't really have a leg to stand on in an argument unless they misrepresent things to suit their viewpoints. Any kind of empathy towards immigrants = WE WANT OPEN BORDERS! LET EVERYONE IN!

The whole blaming of 'liberals' and all the twisted arguments fall apart when you look at things realistically but that would mean people who use those arguments would have to listen to things they don't want to hear and that'll never happen. Who cares about the truth or facts as long as someone's spinning a tale that appeals to you?

very true

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

****ing hell. Nasty nasty nasty.

Its a fact ....Rochdale, Rotherham to name but 2

[user104658]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Its a fact ....Rochdale, Rotherham to name but 2

"It happens, therefore ALL of them are doing it and that's why they come to the UK"

Such blinkered, small-minded, extremist logic.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Its a fact ....Rochdale, Rotherham to name but 2

The men in the OPs picture don't look Pakistani to me? or is it just all brown people are the same and bad or? (also forgot there are no white people paedophiles)

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It's because people like that don't really have a leg to stand on in an argument unless they misrepresent things to suit their viewpoints. Any kind of empathy towards immigrants = WE WANT OPEN BORDERS! LET EVERYONE IN!

The whole blaming of 'liberals' and all the twisted arguments fall apart when you look at things realistically but that would mean people who use those arguments would have to listen to things they don't want to hear and that'll never happen. Who cares about the truth or facts as long as someone's spinning a tale that appeals to you?

And on just about every SD thread, Dezzy for a long time now - YOU are the main culprit for REACHING and PREACHING and misrepresenting and spinning false facts to suit your agendas.

And THAT is a FACT.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Yes because of people traffickers and their greed for money

nothing to do with Europe

And why are they so desperate they give everything they have and risk their lives again?...

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

And on just about every SD thread, Dezzy for a long time now - YOU are the main culprit for REACHING and PREACHING and misrepresenting and spinning false facts to suit your agendas.

And THAT is a FACT.

Boy are you spot on here my dear Kirk !!

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

****ing hell. Nasty nasty nasty.

have you noticed, how of all topics it's usually immigration where some people behave appallingly and use appalling language? and resist discussing it calmly and reasonably?
hatred of immigrants and immigration is so deep in some, discussing it in a civilised manner is simply too much, they can't help getting hysterical

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Half these cowardly men have probably fled for fear of death, leaving thier wives and kids to be raped and killed.. .such brave honourable men...**** off home.

A derogatory comment based on nothing but prejudice tbh.

You know it's bad when people are starting to demonise immigrants who are fleeing for their lives....

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

And on just about every SD thread, Dezzy for a long time now - YOU are the main culprit for REACHING and PREACHING and misrepresenting and spinning false facts to suit your agendas.

And THAT is a FACT.

not again, please don't

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

A derogatory comment based on nothing but prejudice tbh.

You know it's bad when people are starting to demonise immigrants who are fleeing for their lives....

Do you have a spare bed will you offer it to them, pay for private health care, feed,clothe and keep them ?

[Twosugars]

no prizes for predicting this thread is not long for this world

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

And on just about every SD thread, Dezzy for a long time now - YOU are the main culprit for REACHING and PREACHING and misrepresenting and spinning false facts to suit your agendas.

And THAT is a FACT.

I think you'll find that on the topic of religion across serious debates over the last year there has been a clear agenda shown from yourself and another member.

Look back across the threads and that will be shown to be a fact.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

And why are they so desperate they give everything they have and risk their lives again?...

They are not they are lied to by traffickers about a land of milk and honey and not told of any danger

these people dont subscribe to ABTA you know and they are not on TripAdvisor

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Do you have a spare bed will you offer it to them, pay for private health care, feed,clothe and keep them ?

So unless Dezzy is willing to offer accommodation to immigrants he must talk about them like they're not even human beings? I don't see your logic here at all Chuff

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Do you have a spare bed will you offer it to them, pay for private health care, feed,clothe and keep them ?

there is a subtle difference between discussing the issue calmly and constructively and calling immigrants rapists

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

And on just about every SD thread, Dezzy for a long time now - YOU are the main culprit for REACHING and PREACHING and misrepresenting and spinning false facts to suit your agendas.

And THAT is a FACT.

Based on what?

I've always backed up what I've said with logic or facts. You're just doing what you are accusing me of doing and conveniently forgetting what I've said so you can overwrite it with your own fiction.