[user104658]

There's a fundamental misunderstanding, really, that anyone who is against mistreatment if human beings "wants open borders and to let anyone in!!!"

No.

We shouldn't have open borders, it's impossible to accept all asylum seekers let alone other immigrants. That's true. Here's the thing though;

You don't have to be vicious about it.

The jeering, spitefulness and hatred directed at migrants themselves is completely unnecessary. No it's not possible for the world to move to Europe and solutions need to be found... But if it was any of us in one of these struggling countries, we would be doing the exact same thing.

We don't have to abandon empathy and compassion in order to control our borders. People can be turned away considerately without resorting to bleating "nyyyeeeerrrrrr dirty get back to yer own country!!".

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

There's a fundamental misunderstanding, really, that anyone who is against mistreatment if human beings "wants open borders and to let anyone in!!!"

No.

We shouldn't have open borders, it's impossible to accept all asylum seekers let alone other immigrants. That's true. Here's the thing though;

You don't have to be vicious about it.

The jeering, spitefulness and hatred directed at migrants themselves is completely unnecessary. No it's not possible for the world to move to Europe and solutions need to be found... But if it was any of us in one of these struggling countries, we would be doing the exact same thing.

We don't have to abandon empathy and compassion in order to control our borders. People can be turned away considerately without resorting to bleating "nyyyeeeerrrrrr dirty get back to yer own country!!".

Very well put TS. I've said it a thousand times in these discussions, it's very easy for us all to sit back and judge these people while we're lucky enough to be born on this side of the world but the inability to put yourself in their shoes and see them as real people, fathers, sons, daughters, mothers etc is so dehumanising and upsetting.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Very well put TS. I've said it a thousand times in these discussions, it's very easy for us all to sit back and judge these people while we're lucky enough to be born on this side of the world but the inability to put yourself in their shoes and see them as real people, fathers, sons, daughters, mothers etc is so dehumanising and upsetting.

I dont think anyone is politically. But when making big decisions from the top you have to be logical and sensible. No one is judging the economic migrants in that way but to pretend they are war ravaged desperates is naive and dangerous.

We already to foreign aid to help counties at source but we dont say "hey dont like your country well come here and live and we will look after you for free."

no

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I dont think anyone is politically. But when making big decisions from the top you have to be logical and sensible. No one is judging the economic migrants in that way but to pretend they are war ravaged desperates is naive and dangerous.

We already to foreign aid to help counties at source but we dont say "hey dont like your country well come here and live and we will look after you for free."

no

I know that and I understand we can't help everyone but I also agree with TS that alot of "anti immigrants people" are unnecessarily scathing and unsympathetic aswell

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I know that and I understand we can't help everyone but I also agree with TS that alot of "anti immigrants people" are unnecessarily scathing and unsympathetic aswell

Well that is just people. Personally I feel nothing for them or their plight, but you obviously do - just differences in people. But politically you cant afford to be emotional so much.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Well that is just people. Personally I feel nothing for them or their plight, but you obviously do - just differences in people. But politically you cant afford to be emotional so much.

I think Politics without some emotion would be awful tbh

[Cherry Christmas]

Is that Black Dagger in the specs in the middle second row from the back trafficking

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I know that and I understand we can't help everyone but I also agree with TS that alot of "anti immigrants people" are unnecessarily scathing and unsympathetic aswell

Isn’t that part of what has been said though that people get so concerned and frustrated at the sheer levels and the impact that is likely to have on everyone else that it hardens otherwise caring hearts.

People such as Corbyn and Abbott want to let everyone in and there is evidence to suggest that will not be a positive situation for the rest of us. It is mainly strong young men coming to Europe and we have already seen some negatives effects of that.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Isn’t that part of what has been said though that people get so concerned and frustrated at the sheer levels and the impact that is likely to have on everyone else that it harden otherwise caring hearts.

People such as Corbyn and Abbott want to let everyone in and there is evidence to suggest that will not be a positive situation for the rest of us. It is mainly strong young men coming to Europe and we have already seen some negatives effects of that.

i agree, rapists and thieves are among them


but also they aren't the ones who need to get away from those horrible countries, they can easily give up their place for the women and children who only suffer in those countries


so i'm only wanting to allow refugees in if it is the ones who deserve to get away from all the trouble in their own countries

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Isn’t that part of what has been said though that people get so concerned and frustrated at the sheer levels and the impact that is likely to have on everyone else that it hardens otherwise caring hearts.

People such as Corbyn and Abbott want to let everyone in and there is evidence to suggest that will not be a positive situation for the rest of us. It is mainly strong young men coming to Europe and we have already seen some negatives effects of that.

We have seen the effects of children coming over, they die.

Then the question is asked ' why did they send them? They must have known they would die!'

What is really meant is ... nobody come, we don't want you. Whatever the issue is in your country we don't care.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

We have seen the effects of children coming over, they die.

Then the question is asked ' why did they send them? They must have known they would die!'

What is really meant is ... nobody come, we don't want you. Whatever the issue is in your country we don't care.

Yes because of people traffickers and their greed for money

nothing to do with Europe

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

There's a fundamental misunderstanding, really, that anyone who is against mistreatment if human beings "wants open borders and to let anyone in!!!"

No.

We shouldn't have open borders, it's impossible to accept all asylum seekers let alone other immigrants. That's true. Here's the thing though;

You don't have to be vicious about it.

The jeering, spitefulness and hatred directed at migrants themselves is completely unnecessary. No it's not possible for the world to move to Europe and solutions need to be found... But if it was any of us in one of these struggling countries, we would be doing the exact same thing.

We don't have to abandon empathy and compassion in order to control our borders. People can be turned away considerately without resorting to bleating "nyyyeeeerrrrrr dirty get back to yer own country!!".

Well yes more than likely, but then when people echo the same sentiment in that they want their kids to go to local schools, they want services that they pay for to be workable and not stretched beyond breaking point, they want to travel to work in relative comfort not be squished nose to nose with fellow travellers, elderly people want to live in an area they recognise and that they feel comfortable in and not alien, in other words they want to maintain a decent quality of life, the racist card is pulled out of the hat, this empathy only seems to work one way for some

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

There's a fundamental misunderstanding, really, that anyone who is against mistreatment if human beings "wants open borders and to let anyone in!!!"

No.

We shouldn't have open borders, it's impossible to accept all asylum seekers let alone other immigrants. That's true. Here's the thing though;

You don't have to be vicious about it.

The jeering, spitefulness and hatred directed at migrants themselves is completely unnecessary. No it's not possible for the world to move to Europe and solutions need to be found... But if it was any of us in one of these struggling countries, we would be doing the exact same thing.

We don't have to abandon empathy and compassion in order to control our borders. People can be turned away considerately without resorting to bleating "nyyyeeeerrrrrr dirty get back to yer own country!!".

well said

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

well said

And who has said that. Certain people read between the lines of other peoples’ concerns and make their own interpretation of what they actually think. They don’t care about how the concerns are expressed they just see that they don’t support large scale immigration therefore they are whatever nasty word they pick. It isn’t clever or necessarily true - but they don’t care - they will attach that label to suit.

People then develop a tough skin - they have to.

[chuff me dizzy]

Can I just ask the people who would fill our small island with these people ...... Do you have a spare room or a sofa ,if so why don't YOU take a few of them into your home ?

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

There's a fundamental misunderstanding, really, that anyone who is against mistreatment if human beings "wants open borders and to let anyone in!!!"

No.

We shouldn't have open borders, it's impossible to accept all asylum seekers let alone other immigrants. That's true. Here's the thing though;

You don't have to be vicious about it.

The jeering, spitefulness and hatred directed at migrants themselves is completely unnecessary. No it's not possible for the world to move to Europe and solutions need to be found... But if it was any of us in one of these struggling countries, we would be doing the exact same thing.

We don't have to abandon empathy and compassion in order to control our borders. People can be turned away considerately without resorting to bleating "nyyyeeeerrrrrr dirty get back to yer own country!!".

It's because people like that don't really have a leg to stand on in an argument unless they misrepresent things to suit their viewpoints. Any kind of empathy towards immigrants = WE WANT OPEN BORDERS! LET EVERYONE IN!

The whole blaming of 'liberals' and all the twisted arguments fall apart when you look at things realistically but that would mean people who use those arguments would have to listen to things they don't want to hear and that'll never happen. Who cares about the truth or facts as long as someone's spinning a tale that appeals to you?

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It's because people like that don't really have a leg to stand on in an argument unless they misrepresent things to suit their viewpoints. Any kind of empathy towards immigrants = WE WANT OPEN BORDERS! LET EVERYONE IN!

The whole blaming of 'liberals' and all the twisted arguments fall apart when you look at things realistically but that would mean people who use those arguments would have to listen to things they don't want to hear and that'll never happen. Who cares about the truth or facts as long as someone's spinning a tale that appeals to you?

very true

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It's because people like that don't really have a leg to stand on in an argument unless they misrepresent things to suit their viewpoints. Any kind of empathy towards immigrants = WE WANT OPEN BORDERS! LET EVERYONE IN!

The whole blaming of 'liberals' and all the twisted arguments fall apart when you look at things realistically but that would mean people who use those arguments would have to listen to things they don't want to hear and that'll never happen. Who cares about the truth or facts as long as someone's spinning a tale that appeals to you?

And on just about every SD thread, Dezzy for a long time now - YOU are the main culprit for REACHING and PREACHING and misrepresenting and spinning false facts to suit your agendas.

And THAT is a FACT.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

And on just about every SD thread, Dezzy for a long time now - YOU are the main culprit for REACHING and PREACHING and misrepresenting and spinning false facts to suit your agendas.

And THAT is a FACT.

Boy are you spot on here my dear Kirk !!

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

And on just about every SD thread, Dezzy for a long time now - YOU are the main culprit for REACHING and PREACHING and misrepresenting and spinning false facts to suit your agendas.

And THAT is a FACT.

not again, please don't

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

And on just about every SD thread, Dezzy for a long time now - YOU are the main culprit for REACHING and PREACHING and misrepresenting and spinning false facts to suit your agendas.

And THAT is a FACT.

I think you'll find that on the topic of religion across serious debates over the last year there has been a clear agenda shown from yourself and another member.

Look back across the threads and that will be shown to be a fact.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I think you'll find that on the topic of religion across serious debates over the last year there has been a clear agenda shown from yourself and another member.

Look back across the threads and that will be shown to be a fact.

I wasn't even on here for most of the past year. So check your facts before keep posting tripe.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

I wasn't even on here for most of the past year. So check your facts before keep posting tripe.

Then it shows the disproportionate amount even clearer.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Then it shows the disproportionate amount even clearer.

Give it a rest, Kizzy. It is oh so tedious.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

And on just about every SD thread, Dezzy for a long time now - YOU are the main culprit for REACHING and PREACHING and misrepresenting and spinning false facts to suit your agendas.

And THAT is a FACT.

Based on what?

I've always backed up what I've said with logic or facts. You're just doing what you are accusing me of doing and conveniently forgetting what I've said so you can overwrite it with your own fiction.