[jaxie]

Feel a bit sorry for his girlfriend as well, says she was there at the time. What an embarrassment.

[rusticgal]

The girl did good...he got what he deserved. Goldheart was merely implying if a man did that to a woman if she inappropriately touched him it would have been seen in a different light...imagine a man throwing a woman to the ground like that would not be seen as acceptable.. I see the point. Goldheart is not undermining the offence by any means, just making a point.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

The girl did good...he got what he deserved. Goldheart was merely implying if a man did that to a woman if she inappropriately touched him it would have been seen in a different light...imagine a man throwing a woman to the ground like that would not be seen as acceptable.. I see the point. Goldheart is not undermining the offence by any means, just making a point.

Thank you

[user104658]

"Waitress who groped body gets bum-slammed"

WHOLE different story.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Well if a thief breaks in and then you chase them down the street and assault them then you get in trouble.(not saying that’s right because i know what i’d do)

As for this lady.When i saw it i was also in the ‘you go girl get that creep’ camp.

But whether it was the right thing to do is another story.
Two wrongs apparently don’t make a right.

If she was defending herself i’d say anything goes.It’s different when she chases after him after the event.He didn’t have her purse or anything.

Not necessarily ,I just mean if someone breaks into your house and they see you , then you confront them and it turns ugly then when does it stop being self defense , obviously you can't stab or shoot the person but what if you hit them on the head and they die ?



Well clearly he thinks he can grab women like they're a piece of meat so he needs to stop .



Hmm I know what you're saying ,but on the other hand how many times has she experienced this type of harassment, and would it of been better if she just slapped him across the face ? . But either way he deserved it and it's not like she kept hitting him to a bloody pulp .



It wasn't really chasing though , he tried to zoom past her and get away with it which is pathetic on his part . She had her back to him so she has to react after the event has happened as she didn't know he was going to do that .

[Eddie.]

Loads of respect for this woman.

[Ammi]

...I do understand what Goldheart is saying but I’m completely on board with Niamh in this......’what if it was a man who body slammed a woman’, type thing just completely detracts and diminishes the action of the first thing, the whole thing that caused any reaction..the personal violation and disrespect to that woman in thinking it was ok in some way to pat her bottom...this story would never have caught media attention at all if she hadn’t body slammed him...that’s the only reason why it has because patting a bottom of a female is just not news worthy...not really of importance in terms of news stories or public interest...I mean females are having their bottoms patted in 2018...so what, didn’t they have their bottoms patted in 2017 and 2016 and 2015 and 2014 etc, etc...well there’s nothing unusual in that surely...why would that be newsworthy...but a woman body slamming an idiot man as a reaction...slam dunk, it’s news worthy stuff.....


...and I do understand a man could have his bottom patted randomly by a woman as well, while he’s just there going about his job like she was...well it’s up to the man and the individual as to their reaction if that happens to them...it’s also up to men to scream and shout ‘this is a real issue we as men have’...something women have been screaming and shouting about for a long time...when a news story comes along about a man who has body slammed a woman for thinking it’s ok to pat his bottom then that’s something to discuss as well in equality to this ...but this is not ‘that story’...this is not that incident that actually happened and this is not something that should be diminished and distracted from in any way...in my opinion...

...I don’t condone any act of physical violence in any way but in all of those years of 2018, 2017, 2016, 2015, 2014 ..and beyond etc...some men still seem to find it an ok and acceptable thing to do which this idiot did...so maybe a little body slam will help catch up with that thought process..?...maybe finally for him..?...maybe it was the only (extreme) way to catch his attention..?...


....anyways he didn’t just disrespect one female..he showed disrespect for two, his partner as well...he also disrespected his children out having their family meal...so that body slam wasn’t just a reaction to the disrespect shown to her...she did it for the partners and the children of as well.... a hero of the people...a hero of other men who would never have thought that, that was ok...I think the only thing that would have had me smile more with this...is if it had been an older lady of 50 or 60yrs or something who had, had her bottom patted by a man and she slam dunked that chap to the floor...because that would have been a bit more of the ‘unexpected’...women in general don’t body slam men to the floor for patting their bottom, which is why the newsworthiness...but pfft to the bottom patting in terms of newsworthy because it can be a fairly every day occurrence....


...and yeah, as has been said in this thread by some men...’if I was walking down the street/having a meal’ etc with my wife/partner and a man patted the bottom of them...not on my watch they wouldn’t, I wouldn’t be having that...but I would say it would be a lot less likely to happen, that an idiot man like this would think it’s ok to do what he did with a woman who had a male partner by her side or was in the company of...?...but I doubt it would be out of respect to the woman that, that would be less likely to happen...but more out of respect for the man or more out of respect for the idiot mans own safety...that body slamming would be much more anticipated and weighed up in it all...but the point is, no matter what the situation...whether walking down the street or going about a job or whatever...or whether with a male partner or not with anyone ....it’s just not acceptable to do what he did in any way whatsoever and it shouldn’t still be in the mindset of any 2018 man to think it’s ok....

[Ammi]

...rant..

[Niamh.]

Perfectly put Ammi

[user104658]

I'm not excusing his actions or even condemning hers (they are understandable) - but any form of violence from anyone is never the right choice and should only ever be a last resort. Being totally blunt... no matter what he did, if he had hit his head awkwardly and died or suffered serious injury when she threw him down, she would have been charged and ended up in jail or (at the very least) with a violent criminal record. It's just the "stupid choice" - ALWAYS - Unless you are actively defending yourself from injury... and I do think it's important for people to remember that.

I also think shouting "Excuse me sir, would you mind not groping me?!? This man is going around groping women.", pointing at him, and making sure everyone in the room knew what he was doing would have been suitably shaming, and his partner would have known. If anything it might have been more effective, as the physical retaliation distracts from the actual issue.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

The girl did good...he got what he deserved. Goldheart was merely implying if a man did that to a woman if she inappropriately touched him it would have been seen in a different light...imagine a man throwing a woman to the ground like that would not be seen as acceptable.. I see the point. Goldheart is not undermining the offence by any means, just making a point.

I know what Goldeart was saying, its just every bloody time something like this happens, "what about the men" is brought up, it's annoying, that's all I was saying

[Cherie]

Bum gropes Bum

[arista]

I can see why the Owner released
the video
he is getting more Customers and FREE Publicity.


She should do a guest appearance
on WWE Live

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I'm not excusing his actions or even condemning hers (they are understandable) - but any form of violence from anyone is never the right choice and should only ever be a last resort. Being totally blunt... no matter what he did, if he had hit his head awkwardly and died or suffered serious injury when she threw him down, she would have been charged and ended up in jail or (at the very least) with a violent criminal record. It's just the "stupid choice" - ALWAYS - Unless you are actively defending yourself from injury... and I do think it's important for people to remember that.

I also think shouting "Excuse me sir, would you mind not groping me?!? This man is going around groping women.", pointing at him, and making sure everyone in the room knew what he was doing would have been suitably shaming, and his partner would have known. If anything it might have been more effective, as the physical retaliation distracts from the actual issue.

In a situation like that I don't imagine it's a case of sitting back an considering the best course of action, it isn't so much an action as a reaction

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

In a situation like that I don't imagine it's a case of sitting back an considering the best course of action, it isn't so much an action as a reaction

True, but that's where self control comes in because like I said... if you seriously injure or kill someone you're still going to face serious consequences. I'm not even saying he didn't deserve it. It's just always the wrong choice whether it's a snap decision or planned. It's easier to badly hurt someone than people realise, all it takes is one punch in the wrong place, or one shove and a bad fall.

Anyone can think of countless times in their lives when they've wanted to hit someone, and when that person has 100% deserved a smack in the mouth... I know I have... but there are very good reasons for not going there .

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

True, but that's where self control comes in because like I said... if you seriously injure or kill someone you're still going to face serious consequences. I'm not even saying he didn't deserve it. It's just always the wrong choice whether it's a snap decision or planned. It's easier to badly hurt someone than people realise, all it takes is one punch in the wrong place, or one shove and a bad fall.

Anyone can think of countless times in their lives when they've wanted to hit someone, and when that person has 100% deserved a smack in the mouth... I know I have... but there are very good reasons for not going there .

I disagree, if you put your hands on a person like that then you need to learn some self control or else you may end up getting hurt

*the royal you, not you personally obvs

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I disagree, if you put your hands on a person like that then you need to learn some self control or else you may end up getting hurt

I don't disagree with that either, but it doesn't change the fact that if things go unexpectedly wrong, you could end up in prison. Violence is always the wrong choice both morally and legally unless it's a response to actual physical danger (either yourself or someone else). If he had physically grabbed her, or even cornered her or something, then it would be totally justifiable but with the situation being what it was, there were better ways of dealing with it (e.g. informing other staff, drawing other customer's attention to him, and telling his partner what he did).

I'm not condemning her, people react in anger understandably, and **** happens... I don't feel sorry for the guy getting floored... I just don't think it's right or responsible for it to be encouraged.

[Niamh.]

I just find it interesting that Northern Monkey (who seems to have a similar opinion to you TS) says what you do, 2 wrongs don't make a right etc yet also says if someone did it to his g/f he would punch them

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I just find it interesting that Northern Monkey (who seems to have a similar opinion to you TS) says what you do, 2 wrongs don't make a right etc yet also says if someone did it to his g/f he would punch them

And i would be wrong too as I would more than likely get arrested for retaliating to that.

Same if i threw a woman to the floor who’d just groped me.I’d be the one in handcuffs.

Retaliation is a bad decision even if it’s a natural one.

I don’t think anyone’s saying they don’t understand why she did it.

The emotional response is to think.’Well done lass the dickhead deserved it’.
But as outsiders we can look at it from a common sense pov too i think.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Well clearly he thinks he can grab women like they're a piece of meat so he needs to stop .



Hmm I know what you're saying ,but on the other hand how many times has she experienced this type of harassment, and would it of been better if she just slapped him across the face ?

I expect she gets it a lot. When I worked in bars the guys all thought I was there to be groped, they basically tried using my tits as stress balls. This was a LOT of guys too, not just random pervs. Kind of changed my opinion on stuff tbh, as many of the guys, I knew their ****ing wives

My boss (father in law now) said it was basically part of the job and I had to get used to it. **** that. I did resort to shouting in a full bar about perverts being perverts to shame them, but the other guys just found it funny (we rarely had women in through the day) so in the end with a few of them I would stamp on their feet or (once) hit them in the balls when they tried rubbing themselves on me when I was walking past.

Is violence the answer? Probably not, but it makes you feel a lot better, and if they are randomly groping people, they deserve all they get tbh.

Oddly enough,. once it became known that I was seeing Gav, they all stopped...and they apologized to HIM ffs.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I expect she gets it a lot. When I worked in bars the guys all thought I was there to be groped, they basically tried using my tits as stress balls. This was a LOT of guys too, not just random pervs. Kind of changed my opinion on stuff tbh, as many of the guys, I knew their ****ing wives

My boss (father in law now) said it was basically part of the job and I had to get used to it. **** that. I did resort to shouting in a full bar about perverts being perverts to shame them, but the other guys just found it funny (we rarely had women in through the day) so in the end with a few of them I would stamp on their feet or (once) hit them in the balls when they tried rubbing themselves on me when I was walking past.

Is violence the answer? Probably not, but it makes you feel a lot better, and if they are randomly groping people, they deserve all they get tbh.

Oddly enough,. once it became known that I was seeing Gav, they all stopped...and they apologized to HIM ffs.

Yeah this is the annoying bit and also why I asked about Northern Monkeys comment saying that the woman was wrong to do it but he would also punch a guy who did it to his g/f, it comes across like women are still looked at like objects who belong to someone, like you're fair game unless a man already has his claim on you or something

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yeah this is the annoying bit and also why I asked about Northern Monkeys comment saying that the woman was wrong to do it but he would also punch a guy who did it to his g/f, it comes across like women are still looked at like objects who belong to someone, like you're fair game unless a man already has his claim on you or something

Sooo many times I have been out and random guys just would not take no for an answer, however when Gavin comes over they always apologize to him, rather than me. Like its fine to pester me none stop even though I say **** off, but if I am a guys 'property' then they will apologize to him. Its ridiculous really.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I'm not excusing his actions or even condemning hers (they are understandable) - but any form of violence from anyone is never the right choice and should only ever be a last resort. Being totally blunt... no matter what he did, if he had hit his head awkwardly and died or suffered serious injury when she threw him down, she would have been charged and ended up in jail or (at the very least) with a violent criminal record. It's just the "stupid choice" - ALWAYS - Unless you are actively defending yourself from injury... and I do think it's important for people to remember that.

I also think shouting "Excuse me sir, would you mind not groping me?!? This man is going around groping women.", pointing at him, and making sure everyone in the room knew what he was doing would have been suitably shaming, and his partner would have known. If anything it might have been more effective, as the physical retaliation distracts from the actual issue.

I see the point but she obviously just reacted in the heat of the moment , maybe this has happened to her before . Nobody should be disrespected this way . Luckily she didn't kill him or get in trouble herself.

The common response is a slap across the face like i said , but this woman clearly had enough and was angry. Also would shaming him vocally of made much difference? hmm.... but again i understand but tbh waiters and waitress's take too much crap as it is and they always have to remain "professional" so it's hard to remain calm when some creep touches you inappropriately .


I do agree though that in some situations things can escalate far too quickly. we've all heard factual stories of fights breaking out and people dying and it never had to end that way .

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I expect she gets it a lot. When I worked in bars the guys all thought I was there to be groped, they basically tried using my tits as stress balls. This was a LOT of guys too, not just random pervs. Kind of changed my opinion on stuff tbh, as many of the guys, I knew their ****ing wives

My boss (father in law now) said it was basically part of the job and I had to get used to it. **** that. I did resort to shouting in a full bar about perverts being perverts to shame them, but the other guys just found it funny (we rarely had women in through the day) so in the end with a few of them I would stamp on their feet or (once) hit them in the balls when they tried rubbing themselves on me when I was walking past.

Is violence the answer? Probably not, but it makes you feel a lot better, and if they are randomly groping people, they deserve all they get tbh.

Oddly enough,. once it became known that I was seeing Gav, they all stopped...and they apologized to HIM ffs.

Yeah i was wondering if this waitress has experienced pervy weirdo's before . I'm still shocked he was with his kids & wife like what the actual hell .

Like i said she clearly had enough as waitresses & waiters already get treated like utter crap by nuisance customers and bitchy complainers (i know not all customers are bad) but i bet they get their fair share of them.

That's pretty disgusting what you had to go through and yeah lashing out would make me feel better too if i'm honest and i'd report it , this is another reason why i avoid jobs like that, i DON'T envy restaurant or bar/ club jobs as they experience so much crap from customers .

That's a strange dynamic if your boss is your father in law now? , was he a good boss, sounds like he expected you to grin and bare it .

Yeah it's weird how guy's pestering you only apologise to your souse when really they should apologise to you , just shows they don't see you or other women as people with feelings which is very rude and again disrespectful .


And obviously when you're with your partner they're going to want to protect you and that's understandable , obviously you don't want them getting into trouble but if a guy is bothering you and being sleazy then your partner has every right to tell him to GET LOST . Well both of you do but it shouldn't be seen like you're his property or anything , the only people who think that backwards are idiots who treat women like crap to start with .

[Vicky.]

Heh he was a good boss in most ways, but we argued a fair bit (and still do) when he gave some of his (in my opinion) old fashioned and fairly sexist ideas. I very rarely did what I was 'supposed to do' at work, which was basically flirt with customers and look pretty and take their ****. Erm, not really. I am there to pull pints tbh, banter and such is fine obviously, it IS part of bar staffs job to engage with customers. Being groped and told that they would love to stick their cock in my ear (?!) not so much.

When I first started doing the karaokes and that for him too, we argued about what my job actually was. Because I embarrassed some sleazy perv who was trying to look down my top, by announcing it over the mic Apparently that was bad. Hopefully it stopped him doing it to others, but I doubt it.

I am surprised he did not sack me early on tbh Am not the most..agreeable person.