[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Police bad

Grr

As opposed to thinking the police are perfect..... because they're police?

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I don't think any of you are alright in all honesty.

Originally Posted by Kizzy

It's not..there is an issue here raised by the police themselves. Attempting to normalise this is counter productive.
If you think this is acceptable then that is for you and your conscience, the public body involved have admitted there were failings. Falling over yourself to justify those failings does not make any of this 'normal'

No.

I'm sorry kizzy, but all I see is the police authorities giving the internet what it wants..appeasement.. nothing more and nothing less.


We have all seen bouncers do a lot worse to many many punters, no matter what shape or size they are,.

An arsehole is an arsehole, and having your head squeezed by a local Bobby well sorry, but that is part and parcel of your occupational hazard..


To put it simply...Dont act like an aggressive arsehole and people on top of you will be able to keep control and balance pretty easily..

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

It's not..there is an issue here raised by the police themselves. Attempting to normalise this is counter productive.
If you think this is acceptable then that is for you and your conscience, the public body involved have admitted there were failings. Falling over yourself to justify those failings does not make any of this 'normal'

It is normal though, the police are merely bowing down to a perceived public opinion by coming out with the crap about an enquiry or whatever.

He's lucky this isn't the 79s n 80s or he would have been piled ogf the street into a van and beaten up.

Luckily for that thug the worlds gone soft.

[Ammi]

...it’s good that videos were taken on phones, as it obviously breaks all training guidelines, which is very worrying in light of recent events with George Floyd...maybe this guy was being ‘difficult’ with his arrest, but that’s quite commonplace, surely...police officers aren’t trained to deal with ‘easy arrests’, they’re trained to deal with difficult ones and without placing that persons life at risk in a such a way...

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by parmnion

No.

I'm sorry kizzy, but all I see is the police authorities giving the internet what it wants..appeasement.. nothing more and nothing less.


We have all seen bouncers do a lot worse to many many punters, no matter what shape or size they are,.

An arsehole is an arsehole, and having your head squeezed by a local Bobby well sorry, but that is part and parcel of your occupational hazard..


To put it simply…Dont act like an aggressive arsehole and people on top of you will be able to keep control and balance pretty easily..

in other words, make the world a dictatorship run by the law enforcement elitists

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...it’s good that videos were taken on phones, as it obviously breaks all training guidelines, which is very worrying in light of recent events with George Floyd...maybe this guy was being ‘difficult’ with his arrest, but that’s quite commonplace, surely...police officers aren’t trained to deal with ‘easy arrests’, they’re trained to deal with difficult ones and without placing that persons life at risk in a such a way...

Have you had many dealings trying to detain someone who is violent and aggressive they don’t do as they are told.

They should of emptied a canister of pepper spray in his eyes.

These videos only serve to make the police the enemy when they are clearly not.

They are humans doing a thankless job there are good and bad people in the police force.

[caprimint]

He should have taken the advice of his "bruv" sooner and relaxed himself.

[Ammi]

...yeah, for sure I’ve had restraining and de-escalation experiences as well as training...but that has no relevance to this at all...whatever ‘agitated’ state, he was no direct threat and whatever his suspected crimes, a restraining method that could have led to his death was not in any way appropriate...

[joeysteele]

The police do come across difficult situations and arrests every day.

They know how to get that situation under control once they have the suspect.

This was over the top and in light of the recent issue around George Floyd, as Ammi said.
It makes it more concerning.

This will add fuel to the praise it was filmed, however also to fuel suspicion against the police as to arrests not filmed.

Which is why the police need to act on this.
It was wrong to carry on being so heavy handed.
They are trained to use the minimum and only necessary force to apprehend any suspect/s.

They on this filmed arrest, failed to stick to that training on both counts.
In my view.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...yeah, for sure I’ve had restraining and de-escalation experiences as well as training...but that has no relevance to this at all...whatever ‘agitated’ state, he was no direct threat and whatever his suspected crimes, a restraining method that could have led to his death was not in any way appropriate...

What you see as over the top I see as appropriate, don’t fight the cops and they won’t fight you simple.

A man cuffed with his arms in front is still very dangerous.

The police officers are calm despite deal with a man putting up a fight.

If you had no experience with the police both first hand and seeing them detain people kicking off you are just arm chair watching.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Again the video taker is making the incident ten times worse simply by filming.

Tbf the officer shouldn't be kneeling on the civilian's neck like that.

And tbh filming it is probably the best way to get evidence against Police brutality.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Police bad

Grr

Is that the sequel episode to Buffy's Beer Bad?

I thought that I'd try and lighten up the mood a little bit.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Tbf the officer shouldn't be kneeling on the civilian's neck like that.

And tbh filming it is probably the best way to get evidence against Police brutality.

I agree Mock.
Because such brutality does sadly exist in police forces.
As you say, filming helps combat that.

Which in the end is good to combat, for the public, police and in fact the law too.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Tbf the officer shouldn't be kneeling on the civilian's neck like that.

And tbh filming it is probably the best way to get evidence against Police brutality.

They need to shut up whilst doing it then..

[Ammi]

...well the Deputy Police Commissioner who thankfully does have that experience and isn’t armchair watching found it ‘extremely disturbing’ as well and not in line with any training those officers would have been given and should have been adhering to...after also viewing the body-worn video footage from the officers and hearing their statements he referred the matter to the IOPC....and suspended one and removed the other from operational duties...

[Ammi]

...as for the police officers remaining calm...it’s very easy to remain calm when you have your knee on someone’s neck in such a way that it gives you control over their very life...or death...as we saw with George Floyd, not a flicker of any other emotion other than calm was shown by the officer...

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by parmnion

No.

I'm sorry kizzy, but all I see is the police authorities giving the internet what it wants..appeasement.. nothing more and nothing less.


We have all seen bouncers do a lot worse to many many punters, no matter what shape or size they are,.

An arsehole is an arsehole, and having your head squeezed by a local Bobby well sorry, but that is part and parcel of your occupational hazard..


To put it simply...Dont act like an aggressive arsehole and people on top of you will be able to keep control and balance pretty easily..

No...

The police are not 'bouncers'
I'm sorry but if you think the police pander to the whims of the internet you are misled. They have a procedure to follow, if they choose to deviate from that then they are at risk of breaking the law themselves.
The police are not infallible, procedure is there for a reason, to keep both the police and the public safe.

[smudgie]

The man has been charged.
He had a knife.
Well done to the police for tackling him.
Not going to comment on the restraint being over the top or not as I have no idea if it was needed or not.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Another scumbag off the street. Well done our bobbies

[caprimint]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Another scumbag off the street. Well done our bobbies

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Another scumbag off the street. Well done our bobbies

[Cherie]

I think most of us are lucky to be in jobs where if we make a mistake we can correct it or reflect on it and decide to do it a different way in future without being filmed and shamed and suspended, training is great but it’s no substitute for on the job experience, like when you learn to drive it’s only once you pass your test and start driving on your own you gain proper driving experience, these were two young men might would benefit from being paired with an experienced officer, it would be easy to say they should have done better but I’ve never grappled with a guy with a knife, the knee on the head doesn’t look great btw

[Liam-]

Well done to the deputy commissioner rightfully punishing an overly aggressive, out of hand officer

[arista]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Well done to the deputy commissioner rightfully punishing an overly aggressive, out of hand officer

Yes
and good they arrested him
he had a knife.

[caprimint]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Well done to the deputy commissioner rightfully punishing an overly aggressive, out of hand officer

Lol the way you care more about the fact you think he was "aggressive" (when he wasn't anyway) says a lot. I doubt you'd be saying the same thing if he had used that knife on one of your family members though