[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I think most of us are lucky to be in jobs where if we make a mistake we can correct it or reflect on it and decide to do it a different way in future without being filmed and shamed and suspended, training is great but it’s no substitute for on the job experience, like when you learn to drive it’s only once you pass your test and start driving on your own you gain proper driving experience, these were two young men might would benefit from being paired with an experienced officer, it would be easy to say they should have done better but I’ve never grappled with a guy with a knife, the knee on the head doesn’t look great btw

Well said Cherie....the bloke had a knife and was resisting arrest...he was a danger to life....but lets all focus on how the police treated him. Lets all focus on the police officer kneeling on his head trying to restrain a man intent on some sort of violence and risking his life and others...but please dont hurt me when you arrest me..
I cant believe the police officer knelt on his head in light of what has recently happened...but you can see restraining his head does stop any resistance. However its obviously not the way they are taught. The officers look very young and the one kneeling on his head looked very uncomfortable after the incident and realised what he had done. I felt for him.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes
and good they arrested him
he had a knife.

Sure, it’s just a shame they couldn’t do it without excessive restrictive force

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Well done to the deputy commissioner rightfully punishing an overly aggressive, out of hand officer

[Swan]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

the bloke had a knife and was resisting arrest...he was a danger to life

Which is what should be the actual headline, but don't expect to see it anywhere.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I think most of us are lucky to be in jobs where if we make a mistake we can correct it or reflect on it and decide to do it a different way in future without being filmed and shamed and suspended, training is great but it’s no substitute for on the job experience, like when you learn to drive it’s only once you pass your test and start driving on your own you gain proper driving experience, these were two young men might would benefit from being paired with an experienced officer, it would be easy to say they should have done better but I’ve never grappled with a guy with a knife, the knee on the head doesn’t look great btw

I think the lucky part for us is a mistake in our jobs would usually be fairly trivial and not result in the harm, or even death, of someone due to our actions. If someone died or was harmed under the care of a shoddily trained doctor we wouldn't chalk it up to experience. Should be the same for shoddily trained police officers imo.

[Tom4784]

It doesn't matter what the person was guilty of, you don't kneel on someone's neck OR head. Honestly, people need to stop being bootlickers when it comes to the police and point out brutality and incompetence for what they are. It doesn't serve anyone to defend poor behaviour and choices made by police officers.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Sure, it’s just a shame they couldn’t do it without excessive restrictive force

Of course an error

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It doesn't matter what the person was guilty of, you don't kneel on someone's neck OR head.

It wont matter to you until the thing that person is guilty of is taking the life of your love one...then i dont suppose you would give a flying **** how they were arrested..

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

It wont matter to you until the thing that person is guilty of is taking the life of your love one...then i dont suppose you would give a flying **** how they were arrested..

A pointless emotional response with no logic or critical thinking.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

It wont matter to you until the thing that person is guilty of is taking the life of your love one...then i dont suppose you would give a flying **** how they were arrested..

When did the man in the OP become a murderer?

Saying the policeman is justified in NOT following the procedures of his job on the off chance he was on a killing spree is a nonsensical contribution.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

When did the man in the OP become a murderer?

When it suited that poster's need to excuse police brutality.

[Swan]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It doesn't matter what the person was guilty of, you don't kneel on someone's neck OR head. Honestly, people need to stop being bootlickers when it comes to the police and point out brutality and incompetence for what they are. It doesn't serve anyone to defend poor behaviour and choices made by police officers.

I disagree. If he had just stabbed a few people and was on a rampage in the streets, he should be restrained by any means necessary as long as it protects more potential victims, the police and even himself.

Certain crimes and behaviour does warrant excessive force. The cop in question shouldn't have knelt on the guys head. But he obviously was a danger and needed to be restrained. More training is needed for these types of situations.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

A pointless emotional response with no logic or critical thinking.

....call it what you want but you know i'm right...

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

....call it what you want but you know i'm right...

Except... you're not. The officer in question's suspension is proof of that.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Swan

I disagree. If he had just stabbed a few people and was on a rampage in the streets, he should be restrained by any means necessary as long as it protects more potential victims, the police and even himself.

Certain crimes and behaviour does warrant excessive force. The cop in question shouldn't have knelt on the guys head. But he obviously was a danger and needed to be restrained. More training is needed for these types of situations.

Exactly....it was a stupid comment to make.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Swan

I disagree. If he had just stabbed a few people and was on a rampage in the streets, he should be restrained by any means necessary as long as it protects more potential victims, the police and even himself.

Certain crimes and behaviour does warrant excessive force. The cop in question shouldn't have knelt on the guys head. But he obviously was a danger and needed to be restrained. More training is needed for these types of situations.

Extreme hypotheticals are utterly pointless. In the kinds of situations you are describing, it'll be armed police that serve as the response, not the everyday officer on patrol.

There's no reason for an officer to kneel on someone's neck or head, especially when they are already constrained and in cuffs.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

....call it what you want but you know i'm right...

No, you're speaking nonsense. You don't know me, you don't know what I might have been through or how I might react to stuff. You're just projecting your own irrationalities onto other people to suit your non-existent argument.

Police brutality is police brutality, overly emotional statements and bootlicking doesn't change that.

[Swan]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Extreme hypotheticals are utterly pointless. In the kinds of situations you are describing, it'll be armed police that serve as the response, not the everyday officer on patrol.

There's no reason for an officer to kneel on someone's neck or head, especially when they are already constrained and in cuffs.

It's not really an 'extreme hypothetical' the guy was violent and carrying a knife, who knows what he was capable of. And again, the way he was cuffed didn't mean he wasn't still somewhat of a threat.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Swan

It's not really an 'extreme hypothetical' the guy was violent and carrying a knife, who knows what he was capable of. And again, the way he was cuffed didn't mean he wasn't still somewhat of a threat.

The idea that he'd go on a stabbing spree is an extreme situation and you're trying to use that to justify 'everyday' brutality.

He was on the floor and cuffed, tell me, how was he a threat?

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Except... you're not. The officer in question's suspension is proof of that.

Missed the point AGAIN...


IF this man had stabbed and killed someone or several people this police officer would NOT be suspended for restraining him in an aggressive way ?....he would be a ****ing hero....

[Swan]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

The idea that he'd go on a stabbing spree is an extreme situation and you're trying to use that to justify 'everyday' brutality.

He was on the floor and cuffed, tell me, how was he a threat?

He was cuffed with his hands at the front of his body, he could have still got to a pocket. Obviously he wasn't as much of a threat, but the threat was still somewhat there as he was clearly resisting.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Missed the point AGAIN...


IF this man had stabbed and killed someone or several people this police officer would NOT be suspended for restraining him in an aggressive way ?....he would be a ****ing hero....

Except that didn't happen, stop confusing hypotheticals for reality.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Missed the point AGAIN...


IF this man had stabbed and killed someone or several people this police officer would NOT be suspended for restraining him in an aggressive way ?....he would be a ****ing hero....

He didn’t stab anyone though did he? I think you’re missing the point...

Like someone has stated, the officer being suspended means he was the one in the wrong. And rightly so.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

I think the lucky part for us is a mistake in our jobs would usually be fairly trivial and not result in the harm, or even death, of someone due to our actions. If someone died or was harmed under the care of a shoddily trained doctor we wouldn't chalk it up to experience. Should be the same for shoddily trained police officers imo.

I think the doctor comparison is a decent one because in the medical profession you WOULDN'T have an inexperienced staff member with an unproven record making life and death decisions without oversight from a more experienced professional. A junior doctor a few years out of med school isn't scheduling a risky surgery for a patient without oversight from an experienced consultant.

But that seems to be much more rare in policing... Especially in "Street policing" it seems that complete n00bs can be teamed up with relatively inexperienced officers (maybe a few years) or even officers with plenty of experience but no proven ability level other than miles on the clock (more or less meaningless in isolation) so they're developing bad habits that are never called out, or worse picking up ingrained bad practice and thinking its normal. Systemic failures in training and mentorship.

[caprimint]

Why would he be carrying a knife if the intent was not to harm/kill somebody, or at the very least scare people with it to use to his advantage?

I'm genuinely shocked that people are trying to defend him here. Actually... I'm not.