[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Aren’t these supposed to be some of the people fighting for women’s right by hating and attacking trans people

Not sure that's the gotcha you were hoping it would be Liam unless you're saying that you like and agree with every opinion everyone on "your side" of the argument has? (I'm pretty sure that's not the case btw, there's some very nasty characters over there ....)

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Aren’t these supposed to be some of the people fighting for women’s right by hating and attacking trans people

You're in a thread with a misogynistic title that clearly is drected only at women, and a video that clearly and singularly attacks women, and you've immediately chosen to try to make it about trans rights instead.

And then you ask, "how does trans rights affect women's rights?"

I suppose it's difficult to see when you can't even bring yourself to have a conversation ABOUT women's rights without "whatabout"ing trans rights as the more important topic ... and therein lies the answer to your own question. Trans rights quite clearly affects women's rights when there's a group of people who are adamant that trans rights are more important than women's rights.

I'll believe the outrage when trans rights are given top trumps over gay men's rights - and are still unquestioningly supported.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Aren’t these supposed to be some of the people fighting for women’s right by hating and attacking trans people

If you have any evidence of "hating and attacking trans people"

lets see it as it would be good to see what it is that you are on about?

[bots]

i was expecting to see an advert for preparation F

[Liam-]

Just making the point that many people on the right pretend to care about women and the struggles purely to benefit themselves, while still working to undermine feminism, that’s all

And again, I’ve also got some people on this thread on ignore and just read what I can see and reacted accordingly, feel free to add me to your ignore lists if you don’t like the way I post

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Just making the point that many people on the right pretend to care about women and the struggles purely to benefit themselves, while still working to undermine feminism, that’s all

I agree, that doesn't mean women's concerns about our rights are suddenly invalid though.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I agree, that doesn't mean women's concerns about our rights are suddenly invalid though.

What is it with people on this forum taking peoples posts and twisting it to mean something that wasn’t said? I didn’t say that did I? I just pointed out that some people pretending to be concerned about women’s right, aren’t really all that concerned about them when they’re telling the truth

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Liam-

What is it with people on this forum taking peoples posts and twisting it to mean something that wasn’t said? I didn’t say that did I? I just pointed out that some people pretending to be concerned about women’s right, aren’t really all that concerned about them when they’re telling the truth

Ok, I agree with you.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Just making the point that many people on the right pretend to care about women and the struggles purely to benefit themselves, while still working to undermine feminism, that’s all

And again, I’ve also got some people on this thread on ignore and just read what I can see and reacted accordingly, feel free to add me to your ignore lists if you don’t like the way I post

If you read what I put in the OP, I say this isn't an attack on woman or even feminism. It's just a video highlighting these particularly women and those like them.

But apparently I was wrong to highlight and share them. Because I ran into their defences. Apparently women that treat men the way they do is fine. Well it's fine if we're not of fan of the presenter.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Alf

If you read what I put in the OP, I say this isn't an attack on woman or even feminism. It's just a video highlighting these particularly women and those like them.

But apparently I was wrong to highlight and share them. Because I ran into their defences. Apparently women that treat men the way they do is fine. Well it's fine if we're not of fan of the presenter.

It's a video from a misogynistic content creator, about a podcast that is fake and uses hired actresses reading from a script that they write specifically with the intention of showing "how terrible women are". It's an attack on women with some misogyny sauce spread on top.

The most worrying part is that when you claim that you can't see this - I actually believe you.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

It's a video from a misogynistic content creator, about a podcast that is fake and uses with hired actresses reading from a script that they write specifically with the intention of showing "how terrible women are". It's an attack on women with some misogyny sauce spread on top.

The most worrying part is that when you claim that you can't see this - I actually believe you.

The most worrying part is you champion men being seen as only toxic, and being behind men and women growing up to hate men. So much that the women are growing into these types in the video, and men who would just rather be women because why would they want to be men when you've told them that men are toxic.

It's all done purpously too, it's all part of population control. Let's get those birth rates down, abortion can't fight this problem alone.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Popular femoid hobbies include twerking, using fakeup, as well as feminism, the process
by which women seize the means of reproduction to liberate themselves from ugly beta
providers. Another popular femoid hobby is encouraging vicious male competition and
toxic masculinity through their mere sexual desires.

https://incels.wiki/w/Femoid

Incels have a wiki!

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Alf

The most worrying part is you champion men being seen as only toxic, and being behind men and women growing up to hate men. So much that the women are growing into these types in the video, and men who would just rather be women because why would they want to be men when you've told them that men are toxic.

It's all done purpously too, it's all part of population control. Let's get those birth rates down, abortion can't fight this problem alone.

In younger people there are far more female-to-male trans people than there are male-to-female, so this argument falls completely on its face immediately.

And your grasp of the term "toxic masculinity" is as poor as your grasp of the word incel.

Toxic masculinity doesn't mean "masculinity is toxic", it means "there's a TYPE of masulinity that's toxic to both men and women".

We've discussed this loads of times on here though and you're still sticking with the idea that it means "all masculinity is toxic", so you either just don't want to hear it, or it gets washed right back out by all of the sad "men's rights activism" youtube videos.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

In younger people there are far more female-to-male trans people than there are male-to-female, so this argument falls completely on its face immediately.

And your grasp of the term "toxic masculinity" is as poor as your grasp of the word incel.

Toxic masculinity doesn't mean "masculinity is toxic", it means "there's a TYPE of masulinity that's toxic to both men and women".

We've discussed this loads of times on here though and you're still sticking with the idea that it means "all masculinity is toxic", so you either just don't want to hear it, or it gets washed right back out by all of the sad "men's rights activism" youtube videos.

I hear it, but I think you don't have a clue.

You're stuck in your misandrist incel talking points.

You need to keep of Reddit.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Alf

I hear it, but I think you don't have a clue.

You're stuck in your misandrist incel talking points.

You need to keep of Reddit.

Time for a lie down I think Alf - it's not a discussion once you start this.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

Time for a lie down I think Alf - it's not a discussion once you start this.

Are you saying that your usual replies are not discussion?

All I'm doing is holding a mirror up to you.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Alf

Who told you all that rubbish about Incel ideology?

Was it by any chance the people that want to promote masculinity as being toxic? Maybe they are the incells and are just projecting on to the rest of us?

Interesting theory.

But for me I think of people like Andrew Tate who are telling young guys to basically treat women like objects to be won rather than as people.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

Seen clips on this on TikTok - engage some critical thinking Alf, you know what "Fake News" is - these podcasts are incel/misogynist bait, they are SCRIPTED and specifically designed to make the (paid) girls on them look stupid/cruel/whatever while the bearded chump interviewing them plays the voice of reason.

They're bad enough on their own without a SECOND angry little chump passing comment over the top of them in a YouTube video. He's truly, truly awful. Like nails on a chalk board.



Alf I don't think you've grasped what "incel" means?

I won't beat around the bush; "Incel" is short for "Involuntarily Celibate" and refers to a group of sad (mostly) young men who are frustrated and angry that no one will have sex with them.

"Maybe THEY are secretly the incels!" doesn't make any sense.

Can women be classed as Incels?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Can women be classed as Incels?

yes but Mock as we all know

women dont exist

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Can women be classed as Incels?

Technically yes, in realistic social context it doesn't mean the same thing.

It was actually first used by a woman (about herself). But not in an angry/entitled way, in more of a jokey way.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Alf

All I'm doing is holding a mirror up to you.

I'm aware that you think that's what you're doing.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Can women be classed as Incels?

No, what he's saying is that "Incel" is a misandrist term for a male. And although he uses that term a lot to discredit people, he's definitely not a misandrist.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Alf

No, what he's saying is that "Incel" is a misandrist term for a male. And although he uses that term a lot to discredit people, he's definitely not a misandrist.

I'm no expert on the Incel movement but aren't they the ones that coined that term and use for themselves? - TS can clarify that one

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Alf

No, what he's saying is that "Incel" is a misandrist term for a male. And although he uses that term a lot to discredit people, he's definitely not a misandrist.

I'd have even less hope for the world than I do already if I thought that all men (or even a large proportion of men) were incels, Alf .

I don't even think that all men who say incelly-stuff are ACTUAL incels, they're just wrapped up in that piller mindset.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I'm no expert on the Incel movement but aren't they the ones that coined that term and use for themselves? - TS can clarify that one

Yes it was originally used in an article by a woman jokingly describing herself (because she couldn't find a partner) and then it was adopted and used by Redpill/blackpill basement boys on Reddit, before finding its way into the more mainstream. Obviously a lot of them won't unironically use the term "incel" about themselves any more because it's been discovered by "outsiders" and "used against them". Some of them do indeed still refer to themselves as "the incel community" though.