[Mrluvaluva]

Originally Posted by moon_peach

No. They did explicitly state that the 2 housemates with the lowest votes out of the 8 would be part of the 4 taken to the vault and evicted.

Ok. But the 2 with the lowest votes out of 8 doesn't equate to the two with the lowest votes out of 4.

Let's put Thomas, Segun, Marcello and Emma in there.

Emma might be in the lead. Who knows where Marcello is?

In that scenario, Thomas and Segun might have been shown the back door. Possibly Marcello. We don't know.

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally Posted by Benjamin

They didnt.

Thank god someone understands my position!

[bots]

Originally Posted by Benjamin

They didnt.

yes they did

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by bots

yes they did

BB said:

4 of you will enter the vault.

Nathan stand up
Sarah stand up
Segun stand up
Thomas stand up

Only 2 of you will return.

*********
Then BB told the safe housemates:

The two housemates with the fewest votes are in the vault and will be evicted.

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally Posted by bots

yes they did

Oh no they didn't.

Point me in the right direction because I didn't see this.

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by Mrluvaluva

Oh no they didn't.

Pointt me in the direction because I didn't see this.

I’ve literally just rewatched it and they didn’t say what bots is saying

[bots]

Originally Posted by Benjamin

I’ve literally just rewatched it and they didn’t say what bots is saying

So did i, and they definitely said it

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by bots

So did i, and they definitely said it

They didn’t. I’ve just typed out what BB said whilst watching it

[bots]

Originally Posted by Benjamin

They didn’t. I’ve just typed out what BB said whilst watching it

you started your transposition too late in the dialog

[Benjamin]

My thinking for BB picking Segun and Nathan is out of everyone left they are the ones the majority of the public assumed would be at risk (even though they may actually be higher on the actual votes) so makes sense to pick them.

Also for the housemates to choose it made it harder. The safe 4 have all been saved from a recent eviction and had cheers.

Out of the vault 4; two had never faced an eviction, one hasn’t faced a live eviction since week 1 and one only faced an eviction without a crowd. So much harder to gauge how the public feel about them.

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by bots

you started your transposition too late in the dialog

I started from when BB stopped them from going to bed. Which is when it started. They defo did not say the 4 going to the vault had the lowest votes.

[BBXX]

Yes they didn’t say anything about the 4 going in have the lowest votes, they said two of the four have the lowest votes. Were meant to (and the HMs are too) believe that the other two were random.

I think BB probably thought that they would choose Tom and Segun as safe as they were the two at the top of the line up as most likely to win.

[moon_peach]

Originally Posted by Mrluvaluva

But yet again everyone is assuming.

There's no official corroboration on how the process happened.

One person's views isn't the same as the next.

I would have been hard pressed to choose between Marcello and Sarah had he been selected instead of Nathan for example. They both have their own qualities, yet, misgivings for certain aspects.

Marcello was down in the first couple of weeks because of certain comments that came over, to some, as quite misogynistic. Sarah had her moments too as in "Stop The Gloats" etc.

I think that might have been more suspenseful.

They explicitly stated that the two housemates with the lowest votes out of the 8 would be in the vault. They didn’t state where the other 2 placed in there fell - that’s what I was assuming. They were clear that Thomas and Sarah received the least votes out of all 8.

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally Posted by BBXX

Yes they didn’t say anything about the 4 going in have the lowest votes, they said two of the four have the lowest votes. Were meant to (and the HMs are too) believe that the other two were random.

I think BB probably thought that they would choose Tom and Segun as safe as they were the two at the top of the line up as most likely to win.

Oh no. Definitely not Tom. They knew exactly what they were doing and the end result. Which is why Thomas went. The only thought BB had was about lowering the prize fund. ITV now have a reduced budget.

The latter part of my post was a joke.

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally Posted by moon_peach

They explicitly stated that the two housemates with the lowest votes out of the 8 would be in the vault. They didn’t state where the other 2 placed in there fell - that’s what I was assuming. They were clear that Thomas and Sarah received the least votes out of all 8.

I have no qualms with that. My point is about the selection process, and how the outcome of that can be very different to work in certain people's favour. I'm not sure you get my point.

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally Posted by bots

you started your transposition too late in the dialog

No he didn't. Ben is entitled to put his point across as are everyone.

[Niamh.]

I didn't think they specifically said that 4 had the lowest votes but it seems likely they had

[moon_peach]

Originally Posted by Mrluvaluva

I have no qualms with that. My point is about the selection process, and how the outcome of that can be very different to work in certain people's favour. I'm not sure you get my point.

I don’t think you’re getting my point. We’re running around in circles!

It sounds like you think that the two with the least votes were chosen from the 4 in the vault. (Or have I misunderstood?) What I’m saying is that the two with the least votes were chosen from the 8 housemates. They were put in the vault because they were the lowest voted out of all 8. Then they just chucked in another 2 in order to create suspense/for the housemates to bet. But Thomas and Sarah would always have been put in the vault and would always have been evicted.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Benjamin

BB said:

4 of you will enter the vault.

Nathan stand up
Sarah stand up
Segun stand up
Thomas stand up

Only 2 of you will return.

*********
Then BB told the safe housemates:

The two housemates with the fewest votes are in the vault and will be evicted.

…this is how I recall it as well…well, if that’s the actual text then I guess there’s a reason for my recollection……but even though I don’t think that BB specifically said the bottom 4….they cheekily knew what the interpretations would be…people aren’t ‘accidentally’ confused …they’ve been led to that confusion…

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…how I understood it as we were watching it…is that BB gave the four housemates to go into The Vault…two of which were the lowest voted…?…(…the other two, could have been placed anywhere in the votes…)…and obviously they did their bets to see if they correctly chose those two lowest, which they did…but the other two weren’t necessarily part of the lower voting…they just weren’t teo that would win the bet for them…but then others said that they all 4 were the lowest so it really wasn’t clear…/…I didn’t understand it to be all four, only two lowest and two others…

At no point did they say the 4 with the lowest votes...otherwise it wouldn't be fair on the other 2. They wouldnt deliberately tell 2 people you are in the final BUT you have the lowest votes. However it could be very mis leading.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

At no point did they say the 4 with the lowest votes...otherwise it wouldn't be fair on the other 2. They wouldnt deliberately tell 2 people you are in the final BUT you have the lowest votes. However it could be very mis leading.

…yeah, I think that BB knew what it would lead people/fans to think without using any wording that actually said that…/… cheeky…

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally Posted by moon_peach

I don’t think you’re getting my point. We’re running around in circles!

It sounds like you think that the two with the least votes were chosen from the 4 in the vault.

somewhat correct

(Or have I misunderstood?)

What I’m saying is that the two with the least votes were chosen from the 8 housemates. They were put in the vault because they were the lowest voted out of all 8.

Then they just chucked in another 2 in order to create suspense/for the housemates to bet.

Not necessarily correct. Who chose the other 2?

But Thomas and Sarah would always have been put in the vault and would always have been evicted.

But that's your opinion. Not fact.

I'm not trying to be pedantic on this. I just need reasoning and nobody has convinced me otherwise. Yet.

[joeysteele]

I think they selected most probably 2 who were high on the voting and the 2 who were the bottom two
Not just the bottom 4 overall.

That may leave some housemates thinking that Nathan and Segun are 5th and 6th in the voting when that may well not be the case.

So they mixed it all up a bit.

[moon_peach]

Originally Posted by Mrluvaluva

I'm not trying to be pedantic on this. I just need reasoning and nobody has convinced me otherwise. Yet.

It’s not my opinion. I’m pretty sure that before putting anyone in the vault, BB said to the housemates that the public had been voting to win, and that the 2 housemates with the lowest votes would now be evicted.

Now you’re saying this I’m questioning my memory! And I can’t be bothered to go back and rewatch it. But I’m pretty sure that’s what they said.

[moon_peach]

Just saw someone’s quoted it. ‘The two housemates with the lowest votes are in the vault’. That says it all. Obviously the two housemates with the lowest votes out of the 4 in the vault would be in the vault…. So they mean the 2 housemates with the lowest votes overall are in the vault