[arista]

There are No Public Toilets.

But 50 Staff to keep a eye on the Young men
sounds crazy.


On patrol


Live Debate on LBC


[The first 27 men arrived at the site in the
early hours of Thursday morning.]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9dv4l79lv2o

[Livia]

Those poor people.

[arista]

[The government said the move was part of its
"mission to end the use of expensive hotels",
with Home Secretary Shabana Mahmood stating that
"Crowborough is just the start".]

[Livia]

Send. Them. Back.

[Glenn.]

Let’s hope their applications are sorted asap

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

Let’s hope their applications are sorted asap

As we can see on our streets atm, what with religious walks not being able to take place in certain inner city dwellings, integration clearly isn't working. So why heep more coal on the fire by allowing more to stay. It's the children of the ones we have let stay in the past causing this intolerance to different faiths in the UK. So why people think bringing more in to breed is a good idea, especially considering they have supposed to have been fleeing war and a rather opressed upbringing. Ripe for grooming by people with ulterior motives.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Parmy

As we can see on our streets atm, what with religious walks not being able to take place in certain inner city dwellings, integration clearly isn't working. So why heep more coal on the fire by allowing more to stay. It's the children of the ones we have let stay in the past causing this intolerance to different faiths in the UK. So why people think bringing more in to breed is a good idea, especially considering they have supposed to have been fleeing war and a rather opressed upbringing. Ripe for grooming by people with ulterior motives.

Yeah this is way overthinking it and blaming the wrong people.

Cities have always had tensions between different groups. That’s not some new integration has failed thing, that’s just what happens when loads of people live close together and councils handle it badly.

Saying it’s the kids of migrants causing all this ignores the obvious stuff; poverty, crap housing, bad schools, no opportunities. You see the same anger and antisocial behaviour in white British areas too.

Most migrants are here to work and get on with life. If some people are vulnerable to grooming or extreme views, that’s about lack of support and feeling shut out, not their background. Shutting the door doesn’t fix any of that.

At this point your racist bias is doing all the legwork. You’ve decided the conclusion first and you’re just fitting everything around it.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

Yeah this is way overthinking it and blaming the wrong people.

Cities have always had tensions between different groups. That’s not some new integration has failed thing, that’s just what happens when loads of people live close together and councils handle it badly.

Saying it’s the kids of migrants causing all this ignores the obvious stuff; poverty, crap housing, bad schools, no opportunities. You see the same anger and antisocial behaviour in white British areas too.

Most migrants are here to work and get on with life. If some people are vulnerable to grooming or extreme views, that’s about lack of support and feeling shut out, not their background. Shutting the door doesn’t fix any of that.

At this point your racist bias is doing all the legwork. You’ve decided the conclusion first and you’re just fitting everything around it.

Being able to work and finding a job isn't some sort of magic wand that magics away peoples beliefs.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Parmy

Being able to work and finding a job isn't some sort of magic wand that magics away peoples beliefs.

No one said it’s a magic wand. The point is that beliefs don’t exist in a vacuum either. People who feel stable, included and like they actually have a future are way less likely to get pulled into extreme or hostile views, that’s just basic social reality.

Pretending culture alone explains everything is just another way of ignoring poverty, isolation and bad policy. If beliefs were fixed and unchangeable, integration would be impossible for anyone, ever. But we know that’s not true because it literally happens all the time.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

No one said it’s a magic wand. The point is that beliefs don’t exist in a vacuum either. People who feel stable, included and like they actually have a future are way less likely to get pulled into extreme or hostile views, that’s just basic social reality.

Pretending culture alone explains everything is just another way of ignoring poverty, isolation and bad policy. If beliefs were fixed and unchangeable, integration would be impossible for anyone, ever. But we know that’s not true because it literally happens all the time.

Do you agree to many at one time could cause issues?

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Parmy

Do you agree to many at one time could cause issues?

Any big increase in numbers puts pressure on housing, schools, GPs, transport, that’s just reality.

But that’s a government planning failure, not something wrong with the people themselves. The problem gets worse when people start being racist about them too, because that just pushes communities further apart and creates more tension.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

Any big increase in numbers puts pressure on housing, schools, GPs, transport, that’s just reality.

But that’s a government planning failure, not something wrong with the people themselves. The problem gets worse when people start being racist about them too, because that just pushes communities further apart and creates more tension.

That's just saying groups of English lads are belligerent but groups of immigrants aren't

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Parmy

That's just saying groups of English lads are belligerent but groups of immigrants aren't

No, it’s saying people can be belligerent, full stop. English, immigrant, whatever. The difference is you’re trying to make it about who they are, I’m talking about the conditions around them.

Groups of English lads cause trouble all the time and no one blames English culture for it. But when it’s migrants, suddenly it’s their identity that’s the issue. That’s the bias part. Same behaviour, totally different story attached to it.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

No, it’s saying people can be belligerent, full stop. English, immigrant, whatever. The difference is you’re trying to make it about who they are, I’m talking about the conditions around them.

Groups of English lads cause trouble all the time and no one blames English culture for it. But when it’s migrants, suddenly it’s their identity that’s the issue. That’s the bias part. Same behaviour, totally different story attached to it.

That will be because of the crimes that are being committed by some of them. English culture is a good old beer and punch up, not raping any female they please, which is what some of them have proven their culture to be like. The weekly court cases don't lie.


So of course people are going to be afraid of what's on their doorstep. Thats why we see protests outside these places. It's not racists, it's worried citizens.


Maybe the more civilised asylum seekers should be more wary about who walks amongst them than the people outside, and start pointing these people out.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Livia

Those poor people.

Yes

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Parmy

That will be because of the crimes that are being committed by some of them. English culture is a good old beer and punch up, not raping any female they please, which is what some of them have proven their culture to be like. The weekly court cases don't lie.


So of course people are going to be afraid of what's on their doorstep. Thats why we see protests outside these places. It's not racists, it's worried citizens.


Maybe the more civilised asylum seekers should be more wary about who walks amongst them than the people outside, and start pointing these people out.

Rape isn’t a culture. It’s a crime. British men do it. Migrant men do it. Men do it.
Calling it “their culture” is just an excuse to blame foreigners for something that already exists here.

Court cases don’t prove what you think they do either. They prove people are being arrested and punished. That’s the system working, not some secret truth being uncovered.

And no, mobs outside hostels aren’t “worried citizens”. If people were genuinely worried about women, they’d be just as angry about domestic abuse, pub violence and rape by British men. They aren’t. That tells you everything.

Asylum seekers aren’t responsible for criminals any more than you’re responsible for every drunk English bloke who kicks off.

So strip it back:
crime = crime
people = individuals
blaming whole groups = prejudice