[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

Absolutely. You tell me very specifically what this woman did to harm anyone? If all you can come up with is she offended people then that's pretty weak. People don't have the right to not be offended. If someone called you a slut would that be an arrestable offense?



In a civilized society where freedom of speech is unrestricted when someone voices an absurd opinion, others are free to challenge it and respond to it. The white woman who yelled back at her is a good example. So it's not like there are no checks against ignorant speech.

If you can tell me with a straight face that what the woman did was an arrestable offense then I think you need to do some reading. Civilized society? Yeah right.

The only person who needs to do some reading is you - on familiarising yourself with the Laws within the UK.

[Liberty4eva]

Originally Posted by Snowball

She was being verbally abusive. If you are unwilling to understand why, and you truly believe that her behaviour and words, that 'she's freaking harmless', there really is no point in discussing this with you.

If someone is an idiot then how is it verbally abusive when they shout idiotic opinions? It's only verbally abusive when they're shouting the truth.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

Absolutely. You tell me very specifically what this woman did to harm anyone? If all you can come up with is she offended people then that's pretty weak. People don't have the right to not be offended. If someone called you a slut would that be an arrestable offense?

No, I wouldn't be offended by slut. If someone called me a slut I'd think they were an idiot. But if they called me a filthy Jew, then I'd have their arse hauled into court so fast their head would spin. Get it? No, you don't... do you.

I have one more thing to say to you before I stick you on ignore with the rest of the people I think aren't worth wasting any time on. Concentrate now... Respect is the first and most basic of human rights. Think about it. Think hard.

[Liberty4eva]

Proud to live in the UK where there is FREEDOM OF SPEECH*!
*except in cases where what you say offends certain people

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

If someone is an idiot then how is it verbally abusive when they shout idiotic opinions? It's only verbally abusive when they're shouting the truth.

That is not what this thread is about. This thread is about racial abuse.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

Proud to live in the UK where there is FREEDOM OF SPEECH*!
*except in cases where what you say offends certain people

Do you live in the UK?

[Liberty4eva]

Originally Posted by Livia

No, I wouldn't be offended by slut. If someone called me a slut I'd think they were an idiot. But if they called me a filthy Jew, then I'd have their arse hauled into court so fast their head would spin. Get it? No, you don't... do you.

I get that somewhere in your mind you're distinguishing saying something offensive with something that is racially offensive as if they are world's apart and two totally different things. In my mind, I see saying something that is offensive as saying something that is offensive whether it be racial or not. You can't arbitrarily decide what offensive speech is arrestable and what offensive speech isn't.

Originally Posted by Livia

I have one more thing to say to you before I stick you on ignore with the rest of the people I think aren't worth wasting any time on. Concentrate now... Respect is the first and most basic of human rights. Think about it. Think hard.

Respect other people's rights to their own opinions even if you grossly disagree with them. The fact that you would put me on ignore demonstrates how thin-skinned you are. I'd never put you on ignore as your posts seem to amuse me as do all other idiotic posts.

[Liberty4eva]

Originally Posted by Snowball

Do you live in the UK?

No, but if I did that would be a cool bumper sticker that I'd drive around with.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

No, but if I did that would be a cool bumper sticker that I'd drive around with.

Why am I not surprised that you don't live in the UK. I'll hazard a guess that you're on the other side of the pond eh!

Perhaps when you enter a discussion next time that is similar in nature to this one: you might want to familiarise yourself with the laws of the UK. You may not agree with them, but at least try to understand the reason why they exist in the first place.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

I get that somewhere in your mind you're distinguishing saying something offensive with something that is racially offensive as if they are world's apart and two totally different things. In my mind, I see saying something that is offensive as saying something that is offensive whether it be racial or not. You can't arbitrarily decide what offensive speech is arrestable and what offensive speech isn't.



Respect other people's rights to their own opinions even if you grossly disagree with them. The fact that you would put me on ignore demonstrates how thin-skinned you are. I'd never put you on ignore as your posts seem to amuse me as do all other idiotic posts.

When you have to resort to petty insults, you lose the argument. nighty night.

[Liberty4eva]

Originally Posted by Snowball

Why am I not surprised that you don't live in the UK. I'll hazard a guess that you're on the other side of the pond eh!

Perhaps when you enter a discussion next time that is similar in nature to this one: you might want to familiarise yourself with the laws of the UK. You may not agree with them, but at least try to understand the reason why they exist in the first place.

I get why they exist. I just don't see what they accomplish.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

I get why they exist. I just don't see what they accomplish.

They accomplish what has been explained to you several times over in this thread already. There is no point in people having to repeat the same thing over and over again.

[Liberty4eva]

Originally Posted by Snowball

They accomplish what has been explained to you several times over in this thread already. There is no point in people having to repeat the same thing over and over again.

Is the woman going to change her opinions on minorities as a result of being in jail? That's dubvious.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

Is the woman going to change her opinions on minorities as a result of being in jail? That's dubvious.

Duvious?

She may, she may not. One thing is certain. Without this happening to her, she most certainly would not.

Now this has happened to her; she may realise the impact it may have on her, her family, her friends, her working life etc. There is more chance it will, more chance that it will make her think twice in future, than if no action had been taken against her.

[Liberty4eva]

Originally Posted by Snowball

Duvious?

She may, she may not. One thing is certain. Without this happening to her, she most certainly would not.

Now this has happened to her; she may realise the impact it may have on her, her family, her friends, her working life etc. There is more chance it will, more chance that it will make her think twice in future, than if no action had been taken against her.

She absolutely won't change her views on minorities because of some prison time. If anything, I think it will reinforce in her mind that laws are being catered to minorities. And like I've speculated in earlier posts, she sounds either drugged or drunk. If she gets in that state of mind again, you think the prison time is going to stop her from saying it?

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

She absolutely won't change her views on minorities because of some prison time. If anything, I think it will reinforce in her mind that laws are being catered to minorities. And like I've speculated in earlier posts, she sounds either drugged or drunk. If she gets in that state of mind again, you think the prison time is going to stop her from saying it?

I believe she will think twice about voicing her opinions... if she gives a damn about her child - never mind herself. No one is asking her what to think. She can think what she likes. Voicing that however, is a whole different ball game, and is the very thing that got her into this situation.

If not, she'll pay for her foul mouth and vile opinons - and possibly may lose her own child along the way if she can't restrain herself. And if this happens, be it on her own head.

[Liberty4eva]

Originally Posted by Snowball

I believe she will think twice about voicing her opinions... if she gives a damn about her child - never mind herself. No one is asking her what to think. She can think what she likes. Voicing that however, is a whole different ball game, and is the very thing that got her into this situation.

If not, she'll pay for her foul mouth and vile opinons - and possibly may lose her own child along the way if she can't restrain herself. And if this happens, be it on her own head.

Isn't it an odd circumstance that in a free country people should be afraid and think twice about voicing their opinions?

And anyways, UK people post a lot of politically incorrect stuff on youtube. Should that be a crime?

[Sticks]

Originally Posted by Livia

I wondered how long it'd take the "free speech" lobbyists to show up.

You can have free speech within reason, but you cannot allow every ridiculous, offensive, half-baked thought that enters your head to spill out of your mouth if you want to live in a civilised society.

Actually if you look at my first post here, where I said "Wither Voltaire" I alluded to it but nobody picked it up.

It is the often quote mistakenly attributed to Voltaire, of I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it

But then there is always

Freedom of speech does not entitle one to falsely shout fire in a crowded theatre

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Sticks

Actually if you look at my first post here, where I said "Wither Voltaire" I alluded to it but nobody picked it up.

It is the often quote mistakenly attributed to Voltaire, of I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it

But then there is always

Freedom of speech does not entitle one to falsely shout fire in a crowded theatre

I didn't see your initial post, Sticks.

Your second a quote here about shouting fire in a crowded theatre kind of sums it up, I think. Although there are those on this thread who labour to grasp such an obvious point... and I imagine they know who they are.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

Isn't it an odd circumstance that in a free country people should be afraid and think twice about voicing their opinions?

And anyways, UK people post a lot of politically incorrect stuff on youtube. Should that be a crime?

No its what makes England great.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

Isn't it an odd circumstance that in a free country people should be afraid and think twice about voicing their opinions?

And anyways, UK people post a lot of politically incorrect stuff on youtube. Should that be a crime?

Nothing odd about it at all - some people cannot restrain themselves to being respectful - and instead, spurt out malicious vile nonsense as we have seen and heard here - that's why we have Laws,.

and no, the you tube bit should not be a crime - because if it was, racist reprobates such as the woman we are discussing here, would never have come to light. Well done youtube for your existence and well done to the UK for allowing such freedom.

[MTVN]

I'm pretty sure that free speech wasn't considered a fundamental right so that we could allow people to racially abuse others on a train.. it isn't about opposing free speech, it's about opposing racism. Still I'm not necessarily saying she should go to prison but it's just pathetic to refuse to condemn her as you seem to be doing Liberty4eva and to feebly defend her on the basis of "free speech"

[Liberty4eva]

Originally Posted by MTVN

I'm pretty sure that free speech wasn't considered a fundamental right so that we could allow people to racially abuse others on a train.. it isn't about opposing free speech, it's about opposing racism. Still I'm not necessarily saying she should go to prison but it's just pathetic to refuse to condemn her as you seem to be doing Liberty4eva and to feebly defend her on the basis of "free speech"

"Abuse" is a hard word. If she was getting out of her seat and shouting in the faces of all the blacks then I think "abuse" might be more accurate. She was just sitting in her seat and raised her voice from time to time.

I haven't really condemned the things she's said because everyone else will and I don't take the messenger seriously. She sounds drugged or drunk.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

"Abuse" is a hard word. If she was getting out of her seat and shouting in the faces of all the blacks then I think "abuse" might be more accurate. She was just sitting in her seat and raised her voice from time to time.

I haven't really condemned the things she's said because everyone else will and I don't take the messenger seriously. She sounds drugged or drunk.

That makes it all better then eh.

[Liberty4eva]

Oh, England England England. You once ruled a quarter of the world's people and now I sometimes wonder if you even rule your own backyard. It seems you have to walk on eggshells when it comes to dealing with people from other parts of the world.