[Shasown]

Originally Posted by lostalex

As oppossed to British troops, or australian c=troops or canadian troops or dutch troopps? why are you singling out American troops? don't be stupid. It's NATO in Afghanistan, not America.

Wouldnt have anything to do with the fact that the troops urinating on the dead enemy bodies were American would it? It doesnt look to me as if it was a multi national unit desecrating the bodies.

How would you feel if a video appeared on You Tube where a dead American body was being urinated on by members of the Taliban forces? Maybe with subtitles translating what they were saying.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by Salman!

you seem to be condoning their behaviour when even the American government themselves find the act done by their own soldiers disgusting

Seem to be?

Oh you mean by explaining that life isnt always cut and dried, black or white? And there are often extenuating or mitigating circumstances in incidents like these?

Am neither condemning nor condoning. I think if you read through all my posts in this thread you wont find me supporting what they have done merely explaining why incidents such as these can and do happen.

Sorry for the injection of realism.

[arista]

"Sorry for the injection of realism. "


No Keep at It
We Need Realism

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Shasown

How would you feel if a video appeared on You Tube where a dead American body was being urinated on by members of the Taliban forces? Maybe with subtitles translating what they were saying.

Umm, they've done much worse to the bodies of dead American troops and i didn't have a thing to say about it. it's expected. not sure what point you're making.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by lostalex

Umm, they've done much worse to the bodies of dead American troops and i didn't have a thing to say about it. it's expected. not sure what point you're making.

I havent seen any videos posted on You tube though by them doing that have you?

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Shasown

I havent seen any videos posted on You tube though by them doing that have you?

i've seen videos of them dragging dead american soldiers from the back of trucks with their flesh being scrapped off, stringing them up from light posts and bridges, kicking them around like rag dolls, and ofcourse beheadings.....there are plenty of vids online man.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by lostalex

i've seen videos of them dragging dead american soldiers from the back of trucks with their flesh being scrapped off, stringing them up from light posts and bridges, kicking them around like rag dolls, and ofcourse beheadings.....there are plenty of vids online man.

Nah I dont think you have, not on You Tube, you may have seen videos posted by some of the smaller Islamic militant groups in Iraq, thats not Afghanistan though and not the Taliban.

Lets not get all confuddled and befused eh?

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Nah I dont think you have, not on You Tube, you may have seen videos posted by some of the smaller Islamic militant groups in Iraq, thats not Afghanistan though and not the Taliban.

Lets not get all confuddled and befused eh?

lol, okay, cause it's not on youtube, that means it's not online?? wtf. I've seen a man **** a chicken too, and that's not on youtube eigther. If you think the only way to see video's online is youtube well you havn't seen much of the internet. the internet is much bigger than YOUTUBE.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by lostalex

lol, okay, cause it's not on youtube, that means it's not online?? wtf. I've seen a man **** a chicken too, and that's not on youtube eigther. If you think the only way to see video's online is youtube,m well you havn't seen much of the internet. the internet is much bigger than YOUTUBE.

Yep ok then off you go on a tangent.

I asked about being posted on You tube simply because it has a huge following, so vids posted on there are automatically going to be viewed by a wider audience, vids posted on smaller sites like some rag head terrorists home movie site arent going to get viewed by anywhere near as many people.

Love the body swerve on the whole Iraqi militant Afghanistan Taliban thing though.

Tell you what, see if you can find a verifiable video by the Taliban where they mutilate or desecrate a dead American Serviceman.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Yep ok then off you go on a tangent.

I asked about being posted on You tube simply because it has a huge following, so vids posted on there are automatically going to be viewed by a wider audience, vids posted on smaller sites like some rag head terrorists home movie site arent going to get viewed by anywhere near as many people.

Love the body swerve on the whole Iraqi militant Afghanistan Taliban thing though.

Tell you what, see if you can find a verifiable video by the Taliban where they mutilate or desecrate a dead American Serviceman.

i'm sorry, why do you expect me to PROVE anything to you?? If you wanna find it go find it. I'm not gonna do your homework for you.

I don't need to PROVE that i'm not lying to you. If you don't believe me, well **** you too. i don't care.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by lostalex

i'm sorry, why do you expect me to PROVE anything to you?? If you wanna find it go find it. I'm not gonna do your homework for you.

Simply to see if you can back up the outlandish claims you have made in this thread mate, as they say either put up or shut up.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Simply to see if you can back up the outlandish claims you have made in this thread mate, as they say either put up or shut up.

Okay, where's yur bibliography for everything you've said?? yur being pedantic now.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by lostalex

Okay, where's yur bibliography for everything you've said?? yur being pedantic now.

Evasion once again eh?

You claimed the Taliban had.....

Prove it

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Evasion once again eh?

You claimed the Taliban had.....

Prove it

right, i'm being evasive, because you think i'm lying. I'm not gonna search the internet for video's i've watched months, in some cases years ago just to prove to you i'm not lying. I don't give a flying freak if you believe me or not. I have nothing to prove to you.

i don't have to justify or prove what i say to you, and frankly it's disrespectful for you to demand i do. If you think i'm a liar, then fook you too, i don't give a fook.

If you wanna pretend i'm just making sh!t up, well fine, i don't care, doesn't change the facts.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by lostalex

right, i'm being evasive, because you think i'm lying. I'm not gonna search the internet for video's i've watched months, in some cases years ago just to prove to you i'm not lying. I don't give a flying freak if you believe me or not. I have nothing to prove to you.

i don't have to justiofy or prove what i say to you, and frankly it's disrespectful for you to demand i do. If you think i'm a liar, then fook you too, i don't give a fook.

i dont think you are a liar, I think you dont know what you are talking about.

The Taliban are different from the militants in Iraq, they may be anti american and foreign, that doesnt make them the same.

The video showing the two US servicemen being dragged behind the vehicle was shot in Iraq. Similarly American bodies (the sniper team who had their eyes gouged out etc) were mutilated in Mogadishu. Again not Afghanistan and not the Taliban. Google the names "Kristian Menchaca and Thomas Tucker" And Delta Force snipers Shugart and Gordon - Mogadishu

You said you had seen videos of the Taliban multiating US bodies, beheading people etc.

"Umm, they've done much worse to the bodies of dead American troops "

"i've seen videos of them dragging dead american soldiers from the back of trucks with their flesh being scrapped off, stringing them up from light posts and bridges, kicking them around like rag dolls, and ofcourse beheadings.....there are plenty of vids online man."

I asked you where, is all. Back up what you claim dude, otherwise dont make the claims.

[lostalex]

Obviously i meant the muslim militants in general. Our Enemy. DO you think those soldiers pissing on those bodies gave a fook whether they were taliban, al queada or just some local idiot with a bomb? Ofcourse not. Anyways... Yur just arguing for fun now.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by lostalex

Obviously i meant the muslim militants in general. Our Enemy. DO you think those soldiers pissing on those bodies gave a fook whether they were taliban, al queada or just some local idiot with a bomb? Ofcourse not. Anyways... Yur just arguing for fun now.

No not arguing for fun just pointing out the errors in your arguments. If you dont want your points picked to bits present facts not wild assed fantasies.

Those troops fell short of the standards expected for combatants under the Law of Armed Conflict, under the US Military Code of Justice and under the laws of the US.

Whether or not the current enemy they are fighting or previous enemies they have fought against did similar or worse is of no consequence, they have standards to live up to. Those marines failed to live up to those standards and should be punished.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Shasown

No not arguing for fun just pointing out the errors in your arguments. If you dont want your points picked to bits present facts not wild assed fantasies.

Those troops fell short of the standards expected for combatants under the Law of Armed Conflict, under the US Military Code of Justice and under the laws of the US.

Whether or not the current enemy they are fighting or previous enemies they have fought against did similar or worse is of no consequence, they have standards to live up to. Those marines failed to live up to those standards and should be punished.

nothing i said was "wild" or fantastical.

I agree that the marines should have followed the codes of the marines, and i especially think they shouldn't have filmed themselves acting so unprofessionally. we arn't disagreeing about that.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by lostalex

nothing i said was "wild" or fantastical.

I agree that the marines should have followed the codes of the marines, and i especially think they shouldn't have filmed themselves acting so unprofessionally. we arn't disagreeing about that.

Wildly inaccurate though.

You said that "Umm, they've done much worse to the bodies of dead American " and "i've seen videos of them dragging dead american soldiers". I am not aware of the Taliban mutilating bodies after death.

When I was in Afghanistan - 2002-2003 (pull up a sandbag and swing that tilley) we all knew to be captured by the Taliban you would be tortured and suffer, but your body when dead would be treated fairly decently. Left where it would be found and recovered relatively quickly.

The reasons for that derive from their religious beliefs, you can do what you like to a person especially an enemy while alive within the examples set in the Hadith, but a body becomes sacrosanct even the body of infidels. Besides they like injuries and torture to be apparent on their enemy so that word of the brutality spreads terror among their enemy.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Shasown

You also said that "Umm, they've done much worse to the bodies of dead American " and "i've seen videos of them dragging dead american soldiers". I am not aware of the Taliban mutilating bodies after death.

When I was in Afghanistan - 2002-2003 (pull up a sandbag and swing that tilley) we all knew to be captured by the Taliban you would be tortured and suffer, but your body when dead would be treated fairly decently. Left where it would be found and recovered relatively quickly.

The reasons for that derive from their religious beliefs, you can do what you like to a person especially an enemy while alive within the examples set in the Hadith, but a body becomes sacrosanct even the body of infidels. Besides they like injuries and torture to be apparent on their enemy so that word of the brutality spreads terror among their enemy.

oh well that mustv'e been so comforting.

I wonder how many of these bodies that were tortured and suffered so much were picked up by these marines? Something tells me, finding yur buddy after being tortured, no matter how respectfully it was treated might not bring them much solace...

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by lostalex

oh well that mustv'e been so comforting.

I wonder how many of these bodies that were tortured and suffered so much were picked up by these marines? Something tells me, finding yur buddy after being tortured, no matter how respectfully it was treated might not bring them much solace...

By those marines, probably none. There have been very few NATO forces captured or kidnapped by the Taliban, even fewer during the original incursion into the country.

We only had the tales of Russian troops captured on their little holiday there to go on.

Very few of the troops captured by the Taliban over the last few years received any sort of ill treatment.

Those troops might however have seen their mates shot or worse killed or injured by IEDs, not particularly pleasant either way.

[InOne]

liveleak has 1000's of graphic vids from the middle east. Did you see them there lostalex?