[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yeah, I think every parent could sympathize and understand how you could take your eyes off a toddler for a minute which is why leaving toddlers unattended for as long a time as the McCanns did, knowing that bad things can happen to kids that young if you do take your eyes off them for even the shortest time, is unfathomable.

Also, the explanation for leaving the patio door unlocked was incase of fire that kids could get out I believe? How did they expect their 2 2 year olds to get out of their cots though?

But didn't someone say that Madeline wasn't strong enough to open the patio doors,so they couldn't have got out anyway.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

But didn't someone say that Madeline wasn't strong enough to open the patio doors,so they couldn't have got out anyway.

I believe that was one of the reasons given for how she had to have been abducted, and couldn't have just wandered off.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yeah, I think every parent could sympathize and understand how you could take your eyes off a toddler for a minute which is why leaving toddlers unattended for as long a time as the McCanns did, knowing that bad things can happen to kids that young if you do take your eyes off them for even the shortest time, is unfathomable.

Also, the explanation for leaving the patio door unlocked was incase of fire that kids could get out I believe? How did they expect their 2 2 year olds to get out of their cots though?

Sounds like BS!

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I believe that was one of the reasons given for how she had to have been abducted, and couldn't have just wandered off.

That was it,it's all so confusing.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

And I wouldn't blame him, the Mc Canns are also close petsonal friends with Esther Mc Vey... so it's ensured the case will be kept alive.

She was on panel of"fund" shes resigned since, and Kate, Gerry are now in charge, THEY decide what the pensioners cash gets spent on ..... Mortgage payments and funding libel lawyers ,and even used to sue everyone who doesnt fall for their utter BS

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

She was on panel of"fund" shes resigned since, and Kate, Gerry are now in charge, THEY decide what the pensioners cash gets spent on ..... Mortgage payments and funding libel lawyers ,and even used to sue everyone who doesnt fall for their utter BS

what pensioners? how do you know who donates to the fund

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Zee

The fact the British government personally intervened on the behalf of the McCanns and their personal connections to Tony Blair and Gordon Brown makes me believe even more than while they may not necessarily be guilty of her accidental death and subsequent cover up; there is certainly some kind of sinister government involvement in all of this that wouldn't be the case if they were a family of street cleaners who went down to the pub and left their three children home alone.

Quite simply, they've been given special treatment because they were affluent white doctors in a foreign country and their little girl has a cute face. That's why it's become a media fixture and that's why they've been given special treatment. I believe them to be guilty of negligence regardless of what actually happened to Madeleine and I think it's shocking they've not been fined, if not jailed for the amount of police time, energy and money they've wasted on this case. It's not going to be solved unless Madeleine escapes or the person responsible comes forward - whether that's an abductor, or one of the McCanns themselves. Truly depressing. It's been six years, no one has any information, they should accept this and just hope that they'll have good news one day. People aren't going to remember something after 6 years that they didn't already know.

Read of Blairs ,Browns involvement in the case http://gerrymccan-abuseofpower-human...on-browns.html

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

what pensioners? how do you know who donates to the fund

Do you sleep well at night ? I know I wouldnt if I were bigging up child neglectors ...... MINIMUM

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Do you sleep well at night ? I know I wouldnt if I were bigging up child neglectors ...... MINIMUM

I don't think Cherie has bigged up the McCanns at all tbf

[Cherie]

You're not keen on answering any of my questions are you Chuff?

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Do you sleep well at night ? I know I wouldnt if I were bigging up child neglectors ...... MINIMUM

Find me one of my posts where I have bigged them up.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

and even used to sue everyone who doesnt fall for their utter BS

Bit of a difference between someone not believing their BS and writing books on how they have covered up the death of their own child.

[Lee.]

I have to say.. I hate seeing all this venom directed towards the McCanns, it makes me very uncomfortable.

I'm not saying they were right to leave their children unattended, but they must have felt it was safe to do so, and I'm positive they never for a second thought their daughter would be snatched.

They have to now spend their lives with that on their conscience and without their daughter, and I cannot imagine how they feel every morning when they open their eyes

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Lee.

I'm positive they never for a second thought their daughter would be snatched.

Well, of course they didn't. No one's saying they left them with knowledge someone would take them.

But not even thinking about the dangers of leaving your children unattended is bad in itself.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Lee.

I have to say.. I hate seeing all this venom directed towards the McCanns, it makes me very uncomfortable.

I'm not saying they were right to leave their children unattended, but they must have felt it was safe to do so, and I'm positive they never for a second thought their daughter would be snatched.

They have to now spend their lives with that on their conscience and without their daughter, and I cannot imagine how they feel every morning when they open their eyes

Agreed

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Lee.

I have to say.. I hate seeing all this venom directed towards the McCanns, it makes me very uncomfortable.

I'm not saying they were right to leave their children unattended, but they must have felt it was safe to do so, and I'm positive they never for a second thought their daughter would be snatched.

They have to now spend their lives with that on their conscience and without their daughter, and I cannot imagine how they feel every morning when they open their eyes

this is how I feel!
people are just fanning the flames.

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

Well, of course they didn't. No one's saying they left them with knowledge someone would take them.

But not even thinking about the dangers of leaving your children unattended is bad in itself.

At my sisters wedding, I fully intended putting my daughter in her cot in our hotel room when she fell asleep and we were all going to take turns checking in her... As it turns out, she fell asleep in her pram and seemed ok, so I didn't bother... But I honestly wouldn't have thought I was putting her in any danger at all!

[Z]

Originally Posted by Lee.

I have to say.. I hate seeing all this venom directed towards the McCanns, it makes me very uncomfortable.

I'm not saying they were right to leave their children unattended, but they must have felt it was safe to do so, and I'm positive they never for a second thought their daughter would be snatched.

They have to now spend their lives with that on their conscience and without their daughter, and I cannot imagine how they feel every morning when they open their eyes

That's how I felt until this recent Crimewatch program, at which point I re-examined the cold hard facts and changed my viewpoint. It wouldn't have happened if they hadn't routinely left their children alone in an unlocked apartment at night time. For that much alone they ought to be at least accepting some level of blame, publicly, but they never have.

[Z]

Originally Posted by Lee.

At my sisters wedding, I fully intended putting my daughter in her cot in our hotel room when she fell asleep and we were all going to take turns checking in her... As it turns out, she fell asleep in her pram and seemed ok, so I didn't bother... But I honestly wouldn't have thought I was putting her in any danger at all!

But would you have left the door unlocked?

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by Zee

But would you have left the door unlocked?

No, of course not.. But somebody could have easily got in the window had they wanted to.. Obviously these things didn't even enter my mind until after maddie was taken..

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Lee.

I have to say.. I hate seeing all this venom directed towards the McCanns, it makes me very uncomfortable.

I'm not saying they were right to leave their children unattended, but they must have felt it was safe to do so, and I'm positive they never for a second thought their daughter would be snatched.

They have to now spend their lives with that on their conscience and without their daughter, and I cannot imagine how they feel every morning when they open their eyes

I used to feel like this until I read more about the case. I even donated once to the Madeleine fund (only a fiver but still a donation)

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Lee.

At my sisters wedding, I fully intended putting my daughter in her cot in our hotel room when she fell asleep and we were all going to take turns checking in her... As it turns out, she fell asleep in her pram and seemed ok, so I didn't bother... But I honestly wouldn't have thought I was putting her in any danger at all!

In a locked hotel room, in a cot which I presume the child could not get out of themselves. I presume if you went ahead with leaving your child you'd have thought about how safe your child was, took it into consideration and made a decision.

Versus an unsecure apartment with 2 babies and 1 toddler able to roam around, out of sight with easy access to the street in the middle of the night.

The entire circumstances of the McCann's 5 nights away doesn't sound like they were very mindful and took any serious precautions. They even said themselves they only thought to check the children at regular intervals on that night because of what Maddie said at breakfast, the other nights they left for a couple of hours.

It's bad parenting however you look at it.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Zee

That's how I felt until this recent Crimewatch program, at which point I re-examined the cold hard facts and changed my viewpoint. It wouldn't have happened if they hadn't routinely left their children alone in an unlocked apartment at night time. For that much alone they ought to be at least accepting some level of blame, publicly, but they never have.

what do you what zee, an apology, that will make it all right will it?

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Lee.

I have to say.. I hate seeing all this venom directed towards the McCanns, it makes me very uncomfortable.

I'm not saying they were right to leave their children unattended, but they must have felt it was safe to do so, and I'm positive they never for a second thought their daughter would be snatched.

They have to now spend their lives with that on their conscience and without their daughter, and I cannot imagine how they feel every morning when they open their eyes

I feel exactly the same I don't condone what they did, and I would never leave my belongings in an unlocked apartment never mind my children, but they did what they did and are suffering the consequences.

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

In a locked hotel room, in a cot which I presume the child could not get out of themselves. I presume if you went ahead with leaving your child you'd have thought about how safe your child was, took it into consideration and made a decision.

Versus an unsecure apartment with 2 babies and 1 toddler able to roam around, out of sight with easy access to the street in the middle of the night.

The entire circumstances of the McCann's 5 nights away doesn't sound like they were very mindful and took any serious precautions. They even said themselves they only thought to check the children at regular intervals on that night because of what Maddie said at breakfast, the other nights they left for a couple of hours.

It's bad parenting however you look at it.

You don't think they regret that decision? God they must spend their days thinking "what if..." As I said I don't think what they did was right but I personally really really feel for them.