[Mystic Mock]

I want to open this up because there's always that notion from a lot of people that if you have issues with the way that Islam is run, or don't agree with them on ideals that it makes you a racist, my question is does it make you a racist?

Imo I think it's more of an intolerance towards the Religion (which I'm growing an intolerance too) rather than actually hating people because of their skin colour, and if we go down that road then anyone that has an issue with a particular Religion is a racist which is just really silly to me.

I know that everyone has different views on this so I'm looking forward to everybody's responses.

Poll will be coming shortly.

[Firewire]

It depends how you express your concerns.

I have issues with it in how they feel about LGBT people or how women are represented. But having an issue with Islam because of "terrorists" is an extremely narrow-minded approach.

[Jessica.]

Islam is a religion, not a race.

[user104658]

No. I have issues with every organised religion.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Firewire

It depends how you express your concerns.

I have issues with it in how they feel about LGBT people or how women are represented. But having an issue with Islam because of "terrorists" is an extremely narrow-minded approach.

Well they do have the biggest terrorist group around at the moment which is a concern.

But yes their views on things that's great about non Islamic countries does disturb me about them the most.

[Firewire]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Well they do have the biggest terrorist group around at the moment which is a concern.

But yes their views on things that's great about non Islamic countries does disturb me about them the most.

Only because it is the biggest religion group in the world. There is literally billions of Muslims.

[Jordan.]

All religion is trash and it has nothing to do with race

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

No. I have issues with every organised religion.

ditto

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Firewire

Only because it is the biggest religion group in the world. There is literally billions of Muslims.

You have a point on that, I'm just saying it still does exist which has got to be added to the concerns that you have with the Religion imo.

[lostalex]

No. As a gay American man i hate Islam because it hates me, and Islam is the number one reason so many gay men are being lynched around the world. and obviously they seem to hate Americans and want to kill Americans too. So there are 2 ways that they hate me. It's no different than the KKK is to black people in my opinion. If any other religion was lynching gay folks as much as Islam is I'd hate that religion too. Other religions are certainly homophobic too, but they aren't as deadly as Islam is towards gay folk.

(and for the record i'm not fond of any religion)

[Livia]

I have a problem with Islam. I'm tired of hearing how it's a religion of peace when Muslims are killing people - including each other - every day in the most horrific ways and in a number of countries. Women are oppressed and denied education and even medical treatment in some Islamic countries. I know that all Muslims aren't terrorists, I know that the vast majority of Muslims in the west don't support terrorism... but by the same token, terrorists are supported and hidden by Muslims in the west. Look at what happened in Pakistan this week, a playground full of children who were not Muslim were seen as legitimate targets for these people. Look at the girls kidnapped by Boko Haram. Look at the females sold into sex slavery by IS. How could anyone not have a problem with Islam when such terrible things are done in its name?

I don't have a problem with Christianity, Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists or any other religion that is not waging war against us.

[Cherie]

No in answer to your question your question it doesn't, you can have issues with Islamic beliefs without hating the person who holds them, the same with people with Christian beliefs, you can disagree with what they believe and but if they follow the teachings of their religion it doesn't make them bad people, that said I think Islam and its teaching is given a "get out of jail card" much more easily than someone of a Christian faith, for instance if a committed Christian was running for London Mayor there would be a lot more said about it then a practising Muslim. This thread is a case in point.

http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/foru...d.php?t=299677

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Firewire

Only because it is the biggest religion group in the world. There is literally billions of Muslims.

No there aren't, There's just over one billion... just over half of the number of Christians, which is the biggest religion. So by your logic there should be twice the number of Christian terrorist... which there aren't.

[armand.kay]

I think assuming that all Muslims are the same and hating is just stupid and ignorant. But criticising the religion itself and it's teachings shouldn't be a problem.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Firewire

It depends how you express your concerns.

I have issues with it in how they feel about LGBT people or how women are represented. But having an issue with Islam because of "terrorists" is an extremely narrow-minded approach.

Yes pretty much this. I don't admire their ideals but then again I don't really admire any religions Ideals

[_Tom_]

No. Islam is a belief system, not a race. It's not racist to criticize a religion.

[Crimson Dynamo]

its as crazy as all religions but crucially its unreformed unlike the main other religions and its popular in underdeveloped countries where people are poorly educated. that makes it very dangerous

[Kizzy]

No I don't different millennia different uprising, some are influenced some not. These things ebb and flow, times of war ( even holy war) and times of peace.
Do I think there's a cosmic influence? yes, but that's a different story.

[Tom4784]

The problem is that racism and islamaphobia often go hand in hand. Not everyone that has issues with Islam are racist but many people that do often are.

[kirklancaster]

I have no problem with 'Islam' per se, but I have a HUGE problem with Muslim Extremists and that is because THEY have a problem with EVERYONE ELSE, and that problem is that we EXIST.

And this includes those poor unfortunates who are deemed by these terrorists to be 'The Wrong Type of Muslim'.

[waterhog]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

I have no problem with 'Islam' per se, but I have a HUGE problem with Muslim Extremists and that is because THEY have a problem with EVERYONE ELSE, and that problem is that we EXIST.

And this includes those poor unfortunates who are deemed by these terrorists to be 'The Wrong Type of Muslim'.

kirky baby you hit the nail on the head. point 1 - the extremists as you say are not real muslins. this is the difference.

they are the ones causing the divide and spreading hate. have faith in the good. there is more good then bad and it is a battle we are winning and good will always out win the bad as there are more good then bad.

this will not make this disappear but there has been evil since day dot and we have to live with this.

[rubymoo]

Originally Posted by Livia

I have a problem with Islam. I'm tired of hearing how it's a religion of peace when Muslims are killing people - including each other - every day in the most horrific ways and in a number of countries. Women are oppressed and denied education and even medical treatment in some Islamic countries. I know that all Muslims aren't terrorists, I know that the vast majority of Muslims in the west don't support terrorism... but by the same token, terrorists are supported and hidden by Muslims in the west. Look at what happened in Pakistan this week, a playground full of children who were not Muslim were seen as legitimate targets for these people. Look at the girls kidnapped by Boko Haram. Look at the females sold into sex slavery by IS. How could anyone not have a problem with Islam when such terrible things are done in its name?

I don't have a problem with Christianity, Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists or any other religion that is not waging war against us.

This ^^^^

Very well said Livia

[billy123]

I keep hearing that they are waging war upon us yet in the UK only one person has been killed in the last TEN years that claimed it was an islamic attack and that was somebody that was mentaly ill.
Doesnt seem like much of a war to me.

The above seems almost impossible compared to the amount of islamic terror and murder stories we have rammed down our throats every day on the news.

Five people a year die of wasp/bee stings when will this terrorist atrocity get the same amount of attention thats 5x as many.

As for the original question in the OP no its not racist as islam isn't a race but it gives a good excuse for racists and people from other religions to hate on certain people.

[MTVN]

Yes because Islamophobia is the acceptable face of racism in today's world

That said, people can also go too far the other way in dismissing the religious and ideological element to extremism

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Livia

I have a problem with Islam. I'm tired of hearing how it's a religion of peace when Muslims are killing people - including each other - every day in the most horrific ways and in a number of countries. Women are oppressed and denied education and even medical treatment in some Islamic countries. I know that all Muslims aren't terrorists, I know that the vast majority of Muslims in the west don't support terrorism... but by the same token, terrorists are supported and hidden by Muslims in the west. Look at what happened in Pakistan this week, a playground full of children who were not Muslim were seen as legitimate targets for these people. Look at the girls kidnapped by Boko Haram. Look at the females sold into sex slavery by IS. How could anyone not have a problem with Islam when such terrible things are done in its name?

I don't have a problem with Christianity, Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists or any other religion that is not waging war against us.

This for me and all very well said by you Livia too.

In answer to your question Mock I would say no it is not racist to have issues with Islam.
Certainly for me,not at this particular moment in time.
For me it really is time for the vast majority of Islamists to actually really deal with the terrorist elements it has,whether they are really Muslim terrorists or those hijacking the faith to further their own extreme ends.

There is a lot of,in my view,just likely lip service paid to the atrocities committed in the name of Islam by the terrorist sections of it, from the hierarchy of Islam but not much in the way of necessary and conclusive action against that terrorism very sadly.

For instance,I am really still irritated that we have to walk the streets and go into stores, shops and travelling methods with people covered from head to toe.
At this moment in time I really believe we all should be able to see very clearly who we are walking the streets with and mixing with as to all public places.
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