[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Withano

You must make yourself so tired all the time

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Well, considering YouGov were one of two polling companies to accurately show the gap between the two parties narrowing, and one that saw their much derided seat project model almost perfectly predict which constituencies would change hands - I'm not sure invalid is a word I'd use to describe the data.

People may have reason to lie to pollsters before they vote, such has been proven, but after? The reason the exit poll in particular is so accurate these days is because very little people have any reason to not be truthful. The same applies here.

The data is questionable for several reasons not least because the differences were not that pronounced and any difference was easily counteracted by how many more young people have the opportunity to go to uni than previous generations did. Level of education is not a measure of intelligence. Most people are of average intelligence and anyone of average intelligence can get a degree if given the opportunity and if they apply themselves.

The study is pretentious and attempting to suggest a fair comparison can be made between the generations and that there was a direct link between IQ and level of education.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

You must make yourself so tired all the time

Tired of the hypocrisy. If others dish it out, I balance it out a bit.

[the truth]

Its so sad how deluded they are, they think if an angry mob of 50,000 people all shout a meaningless slogan all at the same time, thats a way to win an argument? Try constructing an argument, try taking all the factors into consideration, try some basic maths, basic logic, try listening to different opinions too

[JTM45]

Originally Posted by the truth

they think if an angry mob of 50,000 people all shout a meaningless slogan all at the same time, thats a way to win an argument?

What ? You mean something like ''Strong and Stable'' or ''Make America Great Again'' ? Yep, i agree. Absolutely pathetic behaviour.

[JTM45]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Most people are of average intelligence

How can one even compete with such 'strong and stable' facts ?

Maybe you should consider getting into politics. I hear UKIP are looking for people.

[James]

Originally Posted by Jack_

The evidence emerging over the last few days is signalling that in actual fact the supposed 'youth surge' may not be the only (or indeed primary) reason for Labour's turnaround. Indeed, Labour led among everyone under 50, youth turnout was at 57% (and not the reported 72%), and furthermore, a higher proportion of youths voted Labour in 2015 than they did this year. So it seems they did a pretty good job of attracting a variation of voters...doesn't give much credence to students searching for 'freebies' argument does it.

But since we're here, speaking of education:

The explanation for the educational difference is that Conservatives are getting votes more from the older generation, who were much less likely to have gone to university and got degrees. Only about 1 in 10 went to university in the 1960s. It's more like 40-50% in the 2000s.

And a lot of people back then (60s etc.) left school when they were 15, and that contributes to the figures about not have A-Levels etc.

[user104658]

The obvious answer is that it's a bit of both? Yes further education is skewed towards younger generations but, also, people seem to be undervaluing the effect of having a higher level of education. One of the main ones is higher levels of critical reasoning skills; which means that "catchphrases" like "strong and stable" are less likely to work on (and are in fact likely to irritate) those who have been through the higher education system. May relied HEAVILY on these sorts of phrases and was very lazy about fleshing them out with any explanation. She just repeated them over and over like a dodgy Buzz Lightyear, trying to create an association. "The Tories are strong and stable and we need that! They must be, they keep saying it over and over."

Basically, the less educated you are, the more susceptible you are to basic advertising. Flat out fact.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The obvious answer is that it's a bit of both? Yes further education is skewed towards younger generations but, also, people seem to be undervaluing the effect of having a higher level of education. One of the main ones is higher levels of critical reasoning skills; which means that "catchphrases" like "strong and stable" are less likely to work on (and are in fact likely to irritate) those who have been through the higher education system. May relied HEAVILY on these sorts of phrases and was very lazy about fleshing them out with any explanation. She just repeated them over and over like a dodgy Buzz Lightyear, trying to create an association. "The Tories are strong and stable and we need that! They must be, they keep saying it over and over."

Basically, the less educated you are, the more susceptible you are to basic advertising. Flat out fact.

'They must be, they keep saying it over and over' which is exactly what I have been saying of Corbynites. They outdo even May on that.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The obvious answer is that it's a bit of both? Yes further education is skewed towards younger generations but, also, people seem to be undervaluing the effect of having a higher level of education. One of the main ones is higher levels of critical reasoning skills; which means that "catchphrases" like "strong and stable" are less likely to work on (and are in fact likely to irritate) those who have been through the higher education system. May relied HEAVILY on these sorts of phrases and was very lazy about fleshing them out with any explanation. She just repeated them over and over like a dodgy Buzz Lightyear, trying to create an association. "The Tories are strong and stable and we need that! They must be, they keep saying it over and over."

Basically, the less educated you are, the more susceptible you are to basic advertising. Flat out fact.

I don't disagree that reasoned thinking is an advantage in voting, but it doesn't mean that reasoned thinking led to the vote that was cast. There are so many factors involved that it would be very difficult to attribute it.

The bottom line is that everyone requires the same base intelligence to vote, the ability to put a cross in a box .... it doesn't even need to be the one they intended

[the truth]

labour voters and canvassers were missing most of the basic facts they knew nothing about the 2004 gp contract ignored questions on local drug problems and the town centre being the 3rd worst in UK and no emergency ward at hospital all under labour here for 90 years. they just blamed the tories. really dumb

[James]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The obvious answer is that it's a bit of both? Yes further education is skewed towards younger generations but, also, people seem to be undervaluing the effect of having a higher level of education. One of the main ones is higher levels of critical reasoning skills; which means that "catchphrases" like "strong and stable" are less likely to work on (and are in fact likely to irritate) those who have been through the higher education system. May relied HEAVILY on these sorts of phrases and was very lazy about fleshing them out with any explanation. She just repeated them over and over like a dodgy Buzz Lightyear, trying to create an association. "The Tories are strong and stable and we need that! They must be, they keep saying it over and over."

Basically, the less educated you are, the more susceptible you are to basic advertising. Flat out fact.

I think it has been shown that advertising actually has a greater effect on younger people. That's why ITV and other commercial TV channels target younger demographics in their programming. Because their shows are being watched by people who are more likely to change their buying habits because of the adverts, and that leads to higher ad revenue.

[the truth]

labour are basically communists in Wales against all free market destroying smes with obscene rates and expensive car parking and hospital parking charges....they even have landlords needing 2 compulsory licenses 1 for the individual license another per property. why do you think wales gdp is a pathe tic 15k per head average and England's is 36k? one word- labour. they're anti economic anti sme anti free enterprise pro superstate. they take deead people's body parts without their consent in Wales too. they have no respect for individual choice. I detest them

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by James

I think it has been shown that advertising actually has a greater effect on younger people. That's why ITV and other commercial TV channels target younger demographics in their programming. Because their shows are being watched by people who are more likely to change their buying habits because of the adverts, and that leads to higher ad revenue.

Good point.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by James

I think it has been shown that advertising actually has a greater effect on younger people. That's why ITV and other commercial TV channels target younger demographics in their programming. Because their shows are being watched by people who are more likely to change their buying habits because of the adverts, and that leads to higher ad revenue.

young people are more naive impressionable simplistic and less well informed outside their classrooms. that's what santa corbyn was able to buy their vote with insane unaffordable unearned handouts to everyone

[Crimson Dynamo]

Small boy LT asked me "what is Socialism?" so I asked him to cut the back grass, when he finished 2 hours later I took out my wallet and £10 and his eyes lit up, then I went next door and gave a wee boy there the tenner.

He says now that him and the wee boy next door are refusing to cut the grass unless both get £12

I am going to get the Polish boy from the next street to do it as he charges £5.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by the truth

labour are basically communists in Wales against all free market destroying smes with obscene rates and expensive car parking and hospital parking charges....they even have landlords needing 2 compulsory licenses 1 for the individual license another per property. why do you think wales gdp is a pathe tic 15k per head average and England's is 36k? one word- labour. they're anti economic anti sme anti free enterprise pro superstate. they take deead people's body parts without their consent in Wales too. they have no respect for individual choice. I detest them

Yet 50% of voters voted Labour in Wales.
Despite all the bile you keep spouting out,still harking back over 13 years ago to 2004.

Moaning at all you yourself,clearly not a near majority of your Country,see wrong as to Labour while ignoring all the rotten heartless and wrong things done by this Con party over just the last 7 years.

Again leaving you totally at odds with your other citizens in Wales who do see those wrongs of this Con party, while supporting the party they trust most as to govt and even in the Welsh assembly,namely Labour.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Small boy LT asked me "what is Socialism?" so I asked him to cut the back grass, when he finished 2 hours later I took out my wallet and £10 and his eyes lit up, then I went next door and gave a wee boy there the tenner.

He says now that him and the wee boy next door are refusing to cut the grass unless both get £12

I am going to get the Polish boy from the next street to do it as he charges £5.

Well done LT, it's going to cost the school system an absolute fortune to deprogram your son of this bull**** . Millions, I'd say.

[JTM45]

Originally Posted by the truth

labour are basically communists in Wales against all free market destroying smes with obscene rates and expensive car parking and hospital parking charges....they even have landlords needing 2 compulsory licenses 1 for the individual license another per property. why do you think wales gdp is a pathe tic 15k per head average and England's is 36k? one word- labour. they're anti economic anti sme anti free enterprise pro superstate. they take deead people's body parts without their consent in Wales too. they have no respect for individual choice. I detest them

What a load of ****e!!!
I live in Wales and have done for most of my life (apart from living in Africa for several years) and people here love and depend on the Labour Party.
And that ''dead body parts'' bit is absolutely laughably ridiculous (even moreso than your average stuff). Only thing you didn't mention is the rampant Dragon problem we have here!!!!!

[the truth]

Originally Posted by JTM45

What a load of ****e!!!
I live in Wales and have done for most of my life (apart from living in Africa for several years) and people here love and depend on the Labour Party.
And that ''dead body parts'' bit is absolutely laughably ridiculous (even moreso than your average stuff). Only thing you didn't mention is the rampant Dragon problem we have here!!!!!

nope everything I said is 100% accurate

[the truth]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Yet 50% of voters voted Labour in Wales.
Despite all the bile you keep spouting out,still harking back over 13 years ago to 2004.

Moaning at all you yourself,clearly not a near majority of your Country,see wrong as to Labour while ignoring all the rotten heartless and wrong things done by this Con party over just the last 7 years.

Again leaving you totally at odds with your other citizens in Wales who do see those wrongs of this Con party, while supporting the party they trust most as to govt and even in the Welsh assembly,namely Labour.

purely because theres a higher percentage of public sector workers in Wales than in old communist russia and they all want a pay rise which the country can't afford because it's so poor because labour strangle businessus with insane rates and petty burocrats. they sell out to the big corporations though gifting them land and selling public land at 10 times less than its worth. why do you think England is 250% wealthier per head?

[JTM45]

Originally Posted by the truth

nope everything I said is 100% accurate

Just because you say something ridiculous enough times it doesn't make it 'accurate', or even vaguely true!

Your family have to expressely give doctors the OK to use your organs after your death unless you've already specifically consented before your death. That's does not equal, as you seemed to be trying to put it ''they take deead people's body parts without their consent in Wales too''.

As it happens 9 out of 10 people polled in Wales were pro organ donation anyway..........the nasty, evil bastards!

The GDP in Wales as of January this year is just under £20,000 (£19620...to be 'accurate') whereas that of England is £30,000 so you cut the figure by 25% (a full quarter of the amount!) on the Welsh GDP and inflated it by 16% (1/6 th) on the English.Hmmmm....

There's nothing like accurate reporting of the facts and this was nothing like it. But then why would we expect anything less........or more ?

[the truth]

Originally Posted by JTM45

Just because you say something ridiculous enough times it doesn't make it 'accurate', or even vaguely true!

Your family have to expressely give doctors the OK to use your organs after your death unless you've already specifically consented before your death. That's does not equal, as you seemed to be trying to put it ''they take deead people's body parts without their consent in Wales too''.

As it happens 9 out of 10 people polled in Wales were pro organ donation anyway..........the nasty, evil bastards!

The GDP in Wales as of January this year is just under £20,000 (£19620...to be 'accurate') whereas that of England is £30,000 so you cut the figure by 25% (a full quarter of the amount!) on the Welsh GDP and inflated it by 16% (1/6 th) on the English.Hmmmm....

There's nothing like accurate reporting of the facts and this was nothing like it. But then why would we expect anything less........or more ?

no they do not you are 100% wrong, they take your organs ....They ONLY dont take them if you specifically request they dont take them with an opt out form

[the truth]

Rank Name GVA per capita 2015 Total GVA 2015
1 England
∟ London
∟ South East
∟ East of England
∟ South West
∟ North West
∟ East Midlands
∟ West Midlands
∟ Yorkshire and the Humber
∟ North East

£26,159
£43,629
£27,847
£23,970
£23,031
£21,867
£20,929
£20,826
£20,351
£18,927

£1.433 trillion
£378 billion
£249 billion
£146 billion
£126 billion
£157 billion
£98 billion
£120 billion
£110 billion
£50 billion

2 Scotland £23,685 £127 billion
3 Northern Ireland £18,584 £34 billion
4 Wales £18,002 £56 billion
United Kingdom £25,351 £1.666 trillion

[the truth]

as you can see wales is much poorer , because its run by labour