[TomToWin]

NHS to debate and possibly trial run a scheme that pays people £50 a night to house recovering patients in their spare rooms!

Can this work?

[Niamh.]

Why would they not just send them home? :/

[TomToWin]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Why would they not just send them home? :/

GOOD POINT.

One I had not thought of.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Why would they not just send them home? :/

When I was in hospital for a fortnight, there was a huge problem with OAPS bed blocking as they just...did not want to go home to an empty house. Seriously. Its pretty ridiculous and sad at the same time.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

When I was in hospital for a fortnight, there was a huge problem with OAPS bed blocking as they just...did not want to go home to an empty house. Seriously. Its pretty ridiculous and sad at the same time.

That is sad, but do they expect the people who take them in to be sort of nurses as well or what? idgi maybe a better option would be to have a recovery wing built or something?

[MTVN]

I think the idea was that the hosts would have to supply meals and drinks and keep them company but that would be it pretty much. They wouldn't need any special experience but they would get some training and have a helpline to call if they had any problems.

I don't think it was actually that bad an idea but the hospital who was going to trial it has now backed out: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-41763730

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by MTVN

I think the idea was that the hosts would have to supply meals and drinks and keep them company but that would be it pretty much. They wouldn't need any special experience but they would get some training and have a helpline to call if they had any problems.

I don't think it was actually that bad an idea but the hospital who was going to trial it has now backed out: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-41763730

It's alot to ask of someone for €50 a night though

[Vicky.]

Don't think you would need training as (from experience and what I heard in hospital anyway) theres not actually anything 'wrong' with those who block beds most of the time. Just ****ing loneliness. But a hospital cannot afford to keep these people on wards when others are not having a bed at all when they need one, just because someones family refuses tyo see them more than once a week. I mean yeah its sad, but its ****ing selfish as **** to stay in hospital when you don't need to be there, just for the social life.

A friend of mine is a nurse and says this is getting much worse, and the staff apparently cannot force them to go, as they will then start saying they have pains..and the staff can't just say 'well no you don't and we know you are lying/exaggerating' on the off chance they aren't. Same people all the time too apparently. Must be so frustrating for staff. Especially when hospitals are so busy. Hell last time I was in, the corridors were filled with very ill people as there just wasn't the rooms./ But when I was admitted, I was met with yet another old person who felt the need to beam at me and tell me that her son was on holiday so she didn't want to be left alone so had ****ing came to hospital. Really...wtf. The staff know they are taking the psis, but can't do anything about it.

[smudgie]

This would be open to so much abuse.
If the people are fit enough to go home then why not just pay someone to pop in a few times a day to keep them company and make them a cuppa, if they need more than this then it should be professional care.
Granny farming on a large scale

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by smudgie

This would be open to so much abuse.
If the people are fit enough to go home then why not just pay someone to pop in a few times a day to keep them company and make them a cuppa, if they need more than this then it should be professional care.
Granny farming on a large scale

I agree there are ALOT of holes in this, put them in a room and then what... its not like they can pop out and see the sights, and what about meals, where can you get b and b for 50.00 a night....and where are they going to go for other meals, just an awful idea

[Cherie]

Why not pay carers a decent wage instead, pay 15.00 an hour and they can go home and get three hours care, morning, noon and night instead of the 15 minutes or whatever it is carers are given to run in and out.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by smudgie

This would be open to so much abuse.
If the people are fit enough to go home then why not just pay someone to pop in a few times a day to keep them company and make them a cuppa, if they need more than this then it should be professional care.
Granny farming on a large scale

Agreed.

I think it was a poor idea anyway.
Thankfully more likely than not in my view,since it got leaked out, it appears to now be killed off.

[Crimson Dynamo]

well i cant imagine anything could possibly go wrong?

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Don't think you would need training as (from experience and what I heard in hospital anyway) theres not actually anything 'wrong' with those who block beds most of the time. Just ****ing loneliness. But a hospital cannot afford to keep these people on wards when others are not having a bed at all when they need one, just because someones family refuses tyo see them more than once a week. I mean yeah its sad, but its ****ing selfish as **** to stay in hospital when you don't need to be there, just for the social life.

A friend of mine is a nurse and says this is getting much worse, and the staff apparently cannot force them to go, as they will then start saying they have pains..and the staff can't just say 'well no you don't and we know you are lying/exaggerating' on the off chance they aren't. Same people all the time too apparently. Must be so frustrating for staff. Especially when hospitals are so busy. Hell last time I was in, the corridors were filled with very ill people as there just wasn't the rooms./ But when I was admitted, I was met with yet another old person who felt the need to beam at me and tell me that her son was on holiday so she didn't want to be left alone so had ****ing came to hospital. Really...wtf. The staff know they are taking the psis, but can't do anything about it.

For a lot of the elderly who end up in hospital, they have no family, an uninterested family or a family that live hundreds of miles away. They are often admitted with acute medical conditions which are often non-specific. They are often frail and have other complex needs and even when they are considered well enough to go home, if they have no home carer there has to be a thorough geriatric assessment. If that assessment shows them to be confused, unsteady on their feet or have dementia, they will be kept in hospital whilst alternative arrangements are found. Its a legal requirement. We can't just kick them out on the street like they do in America. Fortunately, we have an obligation of care and there are very strict guidelines about what we can and can't do.

Personally, I don't think NHS hospitals are geared towards geriatrics. Its a clinically driven environment where needs for the elderly can't always be met. We need to have more rehabilitation centers and respite care homes that are NHS run. Private nursing homes cost upwards of a £thousand a week and subsidized nursing homes have long waiting lists.

[DemolitionRed]

I think it would be a good idea if people could foster an elderly person. During the fostering process, they would need to be carefully vetted and trained appropriately. Their accommodation would have to be suitable and they would have to be carefully monitored.

The suggestion of £50 a night is ridiculous though. A hospital bed costs £thousands a night, institutional style state-run homes const £hundreds a night. They would need to be sallaried the same as foster parents.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by TomToWin

NHS to debate and possibly trial run a scheme that pays people £50 a night to house recovering patients in their spare rooms!

Can this work?

Cheap, unworkable idea. More slave labour ideas from the NHS. What they need to do is cut the salaries of managers who rarely earn it. No doubt the idea of some such managers trying to pass the buck.

[Beso]

Jimmy saville is gutted.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Why would they not just send them home? :/

Originally Posted by TomToWin

GOOD POINT.

One I had not thought of.

I think this is aimed at lonely OAPs with no family to look out for them.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

That is sad, but do they expect the people who take them in to be sort of nurses as well or what? idgi maybe a better option would be to have a recovery wing built or something?

You mean properly fund a national health service that fits our society's needs?

Where do you get these silly ideas?

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

I think this is aimed at lonely OAPs with no family to look out for them.

It's aimed at any age group post surgery who live alone...

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by smudgie

This would be open to so much abuse.
If the people are fit enough to go home then why not just pay someone to pop in a few times a day to keep them company and make them a cuppa, if they need more than this then it should be professional care.
Granny farming on a large scale

That's a point, there are all kinds of systems set up for home visits from nurses and carers, why not have one to simply check in with those who have not much family.

Nothing sadder than those stories where someone dies and aren't found for a long time because they're cut off from the world.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

It's aimed at any age group post surgery who live alone...

Who live alone without much of a support system around them?

I doubt many people a lot younger than that age group would be at all interested in recuperating in a stranger's house or that many of them would have a problem with no family, friends, neighbours.

It's probably open to all ages, but we know which age group would predominantly benefit from it.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Who live alone without much of a support system around them?

I doubt many people a lot younger than that age group would be at all interested in recuperating in a stranger's house or that many of them would have a problem with no family, friends, neighbours.

It's probably open to all ages, but we know which age group would predominantly benefit from it.

If you can't get out of bed you can't get out of bed no matter what age you are, nobody will benefit from this, its not care, it's just moving the problem into a B and B ...what happens when you need your dinner

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

If you can't get out of bed you can't get out of bed no matter what age you are, nobody will benefit from this, its not care, it's just moving the problem into a B and B ...what happens when you need your dinner

50 quid to provide 3 meals, a bed for the night and be a nurse lol

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

50 quid to provide 3 meals, a bed for the night and be a nurse lol

That's the thing it is 50.00 for B and B no mention of anything else honestly there are some thicko's around