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Why would they not just send them home? :/
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GOOD POINT.

One I had not thought of.
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I think this is aimed at lonely OAPs with no family to look out for them.
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I think this is aimed at lonely OAPs with no family to look out for them.
It's aimed at any age group post surgery who live alone...
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It's aimed at any age group post surgery who live alone...
Who live alone without much of a support system around them?

I doubt many people a lot younger than that age group would be at all interested in recuperating in a stranger's house or that many of them would have a problem with no family, friends, neighbours.

It's probably open to all ages, but we know which age group would predominantly benefit from it.
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Who live alone without much of a support system around them?

I doubt many people a lot younger than that age group would be at all interested in recuperating in a stranger's house or that many of them would have a problem with no family, friends, neighbours.

It's probably open to all ages, but we know which age group would predominantly benefit from it.
If you can't get out of bed you can't get out of bed no matter what age you are, nobody will benefit from this, its not care, it's just moving the problem into a B and B ...what happens when you need your dinner
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If you can't get out of bed you can't get out of bed no matter what age you are, nobody will benefit from this, its not care, it's just moving the problem into a B and B ...what happens when you need your dinner
50 quid to provide 3 meals, a bed for the night and be a nurse lol
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If you can't get out of bed you can't get out of bed no matter what age you are, nobody will benefit from this, its not care, it's just moving the problem into a B and B ...what happens when you need your dinner
I assume the "B&B" nature of the scheme includes food?

Yes, but it's for the lonely people who don't have much in the way of visitors and people looking out for them. There'll be a lot less patients outside of the OAP age range.

I imagine anyone in great need of constant medical attention would qualify to remain in a bed in hospital. This is for those who need a little time to recuperate, live isolated lives but are otherwise fine to be out of hospital.

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Why would they not just send them home? :/
When I was in hospital for a fortnight, there was a huge problem with OAPS bed blocking as they just...did not want to go home to an empty house. Seriously. Its pretty ridiculous and sad at the same time.
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When I was in hospital for a fortnight, there was a huge problem with OAPS bed blocking as they just...did not want to go home to an empty house. Seriously. Its pretty ridiculous and sad at the same time.
That is sad, but do they expect the people who take them in to be sort of nurses as well or what? idgi maybe a better option would be to have a recovery wing built or something?
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Don't think you would need training as (from experience and what I heard in hospital anyway) theres not actually anything 'wrong' with those who block beds most of the time. Just ****ing loneliness. But a hospital cannot afford to keep these people on wards when others are not having a bed at all when they need one, just because someones family refuses tyo see them more than once a week. I mean yeah its sad, but its ****ing selfish as **** to stay in hospital when you don't need to be there, just for the social life.

A friend of mine is a nurse and says this is getting much worse, and the staff apparently cannot force them to go, as they will then start saying they have pains..and the staff can't just say 'well no you don't and we know you are lying/exaggerating' on the off chance they aren't. Same people all the time too apparently. Must be so frustrating for staff. Especially when hospitals are so busy. Hell last time I was in, the corridors were filled with very ill people as there just wasn't the rooms./ But when I was admitted, I was met with yet another old person who felt the need to beam at me and tell me that her son was on holiday so she didn't want to be left alone so had ****ing came to hospital. Really...wtf. The staff know they are taking the psis, but can't do anything about it.

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Don't think you would need training as (from experience and what I heard in hospital anyway) theres not actually anything 'wrong' with those who block beds most of the time. Just ****ing loneliness. But a hospital cannot afford to keep these people on wards when others are not having a bed at all when they need one, just because someones family refuses tyo see them more than once a week. I mean yeah its sad, but its ****ing selfish as **** to stay in hospital when you don't need to be there, just for the social life.

A friend of mine is a nurse and says this is getting much worse, and the staff apparently cannot force them to go, as they will then start saying they have pains..and the staff can't just say 'well no you don't and we know you are lying/exaggerating' on the off chance they aren't. Same people all the time too apparently. Must be so frustrating for staff. Especially when hospitals are so busy. Hell last time I was in, the corridors were filled with very ill people as there just wasn't the rooms./ But when I was admitted, I was met with yet another old person who felt the need to beam at me and tell me that her son was on holiday so she didn't want to be left alone so had ****ing came to hospital. Really...wtf. The staff know they are taking the psis, but can't do anything about it.
For a lot of the elderly who end up in hospital, they have no family, an uninterested family or a family that live hundreds of miles away. They are often admitted with acute medical conditions which are often non-specific. They are often frail and have other complex needs and even when they are considered well enough to go home, if they have no home carer there has to be a thorough geriatric assessment. If that assessment shows them to be confused, unsteady on their feet or have dementia, they will be kept in hospital whilst alternative arrangements are found. Its a legal requirement. We can't just kick them out on the street like they do in America. Fortunately, we have an obligation of care and there are very strict guidelines about what we can and can't do.

Personally, I don't think NHS hospitals are geared towards geriatrics. Its a clinically driven environment where needs for the elderly can't always be met. We need to have more rehabilitation centers and respite care homes that are NHS run. Private nursing homes cost upwards of a Łthousand a week and subsidized nursing homes have long waiting lists.
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That is sad, but do they expect the people who take them in to be sort of nurses as well or what? idgi maybe a better option would be to have a recovery wing built or something?
You mean properly fund a national health service that fits our society's needs?

Where do you get these silly ideas?
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