[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

For one who moans about baity comments you are quite adept yourself at churning them out. I never said you couldn't have a view, I just don't agree with it.

Good for you, I still don't care... My view stands.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Withano

You were spouting some BS so I responded lol. You dont have to respond to me if you dont want to discuss your BS.

happy to own my BS

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Don't be ridiculous Hitler is dead

Ireland were neutral in the war, does that make you sad to be Irish Neem?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I don't speak for anyone but myself unlike you who seem to have decided to speak for the people of the thread

You spoke for me.... You stated patriotism has nothing to do with who is in govt, what you should have said is 'in my opinion' it doesn't.... Because in mine it does.

You also said 'English people are weird', so you can't speak for everyone but you can speak about everyone? :/

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

You spoke for me.... You stated patriotism has nothing to do with who is in govt, what you should have said is 'in my opinion' it doesn't.... Because in mine it does.

You also said 'English people are weird', so you can't speak for everyone but you can speak about everyone? :/

Well they are

Whose opinion other than mine would I be stating? will have to put in a signature like TS


In my opinion...
'

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Well they are

Whose opinion other than mine would I be stating? will have to put in a signature like TS


In my opinion...
'

How very unBritish of you to say

Yes, that would help thank you.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Withano

Prove it

I did nazi that coming

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Ireland were neutral in the war, does that make you sad to be Irish Neem?

Nah 🤠

[The Slim Reaper]

Being proud of something that is purely an accident of birth seems meaningless to me.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Being proud of something that is purely an accident of birth seems meaningless to me.

Me too tbf, thats a new one on me too.

[Niamh.]

That's cos you're English

[MTVN]

I consider being born in this green and pleasant land a fine achievement, congratulate myself on it every day

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Being proud of something that is purely an accident of birth seems meaningless to me.

Well luckily you live in a country that allows you to have those thoughts and verbalise them and don't force you to salute the flag and bow to the ideals of its leaders without fear of retribution.

[Alf]

The upper class and the working class have traditionally always been patriotic.

It's the left middle class, that embraces everybody else's culture but their own, that have never been patriotic. And as they've dominated our culture in media and academia for the last 30 years, they've influenced a whole generation of people to dislike and feel ashamed of their own country.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

That's cos you're English

Bloody colonist.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

Well luckily you live in a country that allows you to have those thoughts and verbalise them and don't force you to salute the flag and bow to the ideals of its leaders without fear of retribution.

Doesn't that just emphasise the "accident of birth" bit?

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Alf

The upper class and the working class have traditionally always been patriotic.

It's the left middle class, that embraces everybody else's culture but their own, that have never been patriotic. And as they've dominated our culture in media and academia for the last 30 years, they've influenced a whole generation of people to dislike and feel ashamed of their own country.

I wouldnt say the 'left middle class' influences my patriotism at all. Its the far right who (negatively) influence it more than anything.

[Maru]

Originally Posted by Withano

I wouldnt say the 'left middle class' influences my patriotism at all. Its the far right who (negatively) influence it more than anything.

Have you ever been firmly placed anywhere on the right paradigm? If not, it wouldn't nullify Alf's point as your inclination would've been baked in... just sayin'...

And maybe we can't be too political earlier on. I didn't really start to "sew" any firm ideas of where I sat until probably around my early 20's, and I was certainly very Democrat... but having roots in an area that allows me to explore a range of political and diversity of thought, I had a little bit more inclination I think to dabble in belief systems.

Though I do think kids are involved in politics much much earlier on... which is quite sad actually I miss worrying only what I would wear and what music to listen to and if cute boys liked me... surprised to find myself this patriotic later in life, but I guess it was always there... 9/11 stoked it a bit I'm sure.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Bloody colonist.

[Maru]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I'm opening that thread very soon, Nom. I want to see lots of Windows Paint art coming from your pokketts..

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Maru

I'm opening that thread very soon, Nom. I want to see lots of Windows Paint art coming from your pokketts..

I'll be there

[Maru]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I'll be there

I don't even care if it's Conor McGregor in 2,0000,00,0000 rows of ASCII chars, it's still Nom art to me

[Maru]

brb, going to grab my chi mix and go to Home Depot to exchange a closet rod and then buying the biggest American flag I can find for my castle's grand entrancement to best you .. and I'll be sure to ask some Mexicans to pay for it while I'm there. My chi's common Mexican heritage should help smooth over those negotiations.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Maru

Though I do think kids are involved in politics much much earlier on... which is quite sad actually I miss worrying only what I would wear and what music to listen to and if cute boys liked me... surprised to find myself this patriotic later in life, but I guess it was always there... 9/11 stoked it a bit I'm sure.

I think it's excellent kids are getting more politically aware. After all politics today will decide their future tomorrow. They have the most to gain or lose.
Besides, people tend to be more open to new ideas when young and have less patience with bs. Pity this awakening didn't come early enough for the Brexit vote. Instead, OAPs decided on something they won't be around for to "enjoy".

[Underscore]

Originally Posted by Withano

I wouldnt say the 'left middle class' influences my patriotism at all. Its the far right who (negatively) influence it more than anything.

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