[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I also find it a bit odd that some people associate flying the English flag with far right groups, the IRA used the Irish flag at their funerals, the Irish didn't let that get in the way of retaining their flag, during the World Cup and the Euros I see all sorts of flags flying from windows, Greek, Italian, Spanish, no one points at them or calls them chavs, but if an English person flys their flag they are looked down on by some

Yeah I don't get it either, every far right and nationalist group uses their country's flag but we seem to let that affect us more than anywhere else.

[smudgie]

Somewhat.
I have been known to go the whole hog with the hats and flags when watching England play.
I love the Union Jack as well.

[Kizzy]

Depends who's in charge, right now no not really.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Depends who's in charge, right now no not really.

Patriotism has zero to do with who is in government

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Patriotism has zero to do with who is in government

I don't feel proud to be British right now, that said I can't say I never will be proud to be British again so to my mind it very much depends
A. on how many living here view our country
B. how the rest of the world view us.

To me right now neither of those are very positive.

So to me it does, I don't really care if you don't agree to be frank. That is my view.

[Tom4784]

I hate patriotism for the same reasons why I don't support the Poppy campaign. People use both as a stick to beat others with.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Patriotism has zero to do with who is in government

Everything to do with the country in every sense imaginable could effect someone's sense of patriotism.

[Withano]

The most patriotic I've ever felt in my life was watching Farage not win his seat in 2015

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Withano

Everything to do with the country in every sense imaginable could effect someone's sense of patriotism.

If you are proud of where you are born, who is in government doesn't come in to it, you can't switch on and off depending on who is in no 10, half the time I have no idea who is in power in Ireland, does it make me love my country less nope

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Cherie

If you are proud of where you are born, who is in government doesn't come in to it, you can't switch on and off depending on who is in no 10, half the time I have no idea who is in power in Ireland, does it make me love my country less nope

Some people are proud at times, and not proud at other times? If thats down to their government at any particular time, then thats their opinion?

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I don't feel proud to be British right now, that said I can't say I never will be proud to be British again so to my mind it very much depends
A. on how many living here view our country
B. how the rest of the world view us.

To me right now neither of those are very positive.

So to me it does, I don't really care if you don't agree to be frank. That is my view.

For one who moans about baity comments you are quite adept yourself at churning them out. I never said you couldn't have a view, I just don't agree with it.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Withano

Some people are proud at times, and not proud at other times? If thats down to their government at any particular time, then thats their opinion?

What has the government got to do with being proud, if you didn't vote for the current government then why would it colour your view of your Britishness?

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Cherie

What has the government got to do with being proud, if you didn't vote for the current government then why would it colour your view of your Britishness?

You're telling me if Ireland voted Hitler into power tomorrow, you'd still be just as proud tomorrow as you were last week? (I'm not calling the Tories hitler lol, just making a point of how odd your argument is, of course it can effect a sense of patriotism).

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Withano

You're telling me if Ireland voted Hitler into power tomorrow, you'd still be just as proud tomorrow as you were last week? (I'm not calling the Tories hitler lol, just making a point of how odd your argument is, of course it can effect a sense of patriotism).

I would still be proud to be Irish yes, because unless it was a 100% vote in favour there would still be a percentage who didn't and I would count myself as one of those

[Withano]

Think you just assumed everyone else has a stable sense of patriotism because you do? Thats not really the case, my sense of patriotism fluctuates, I think a lot of others' do as well.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Withano

Think you just assumed everyone else has a stable sense of patriotism because you do? Thats not really the case, my sense of patriotism fluctuates, I think a lot of others' do as well.

Well you are assuming I must fluctuate because you do

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Well you are assuming I must fluctuate because you do

Not at all, the beginning of the post you just quoted suggests the complete opposite of this actually. Weird summary.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Withano

Not at all, the beginning of the post you just quoted suggests the complete opposite of this actually. Weird summary.

If you say so, you can interpret it any way you want, I know what I mean

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Cherie

If you say so, you can interpret it any way you want, I know what I mean

Yes. your sense of patriotism stays pretty constant, youve made that clear. I think the people in the thread understand that, Cherie. I was just pointing out the point you missed a feck load of times, in that what applies to you doesnt apply to everybody.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Withano

Yes. your sense of patriotism stays pretty constant, youve made that clear. I think the people in the thread understand that, Cherie. I was just pointing out the point you missed a feck load of times, in that what applies to you doesnt apply to everybody.

No I was just giving my stance, I wasn't telling you what to do the concept of which you seem to be grappling with

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Cherie

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No I was just giving my stance, I wasn't telling you what to do the concept of which you seem to be grappling with

Originally Posted by Cherie

Patriotism has zero to do with who is in government

Backtrack all the way to Narnia if ya like, but this reads more like a statement, not a stance.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Withano

Backtrack all the way to Narnia if ya like, but this reads more like a statement, not a stance.

I don't speak for anyone but myself unlike you who seem to have decided to speak for the people of the thread

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I don't speak for anyone but myself unlike you who seem to have decided to speak for the people of the thread

You were spouting some BS so I responded lol. You dont have to respond to me if you dont want to discuss your BS.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Withano

You're telling me if Ireland voted Hitler into power tomorrow, you'd still be just as proud tomorrow as you were last week? (I'm not calling the Tories hitler lol, just making a point of how odd your argument is, of course it can effect a sense of patriotism).

Don't be ridiculous Hitler is dead

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Don't be ridiculous Hitler is dead

Prove it