[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I think it's well established that here is better than other places in the world, nobody is disputing that.
Nobody is suggesting Christianity is done away with, personally I can't see any christian values in the current government... therefore I can only conclude they are using the cover of the KJV which has been advocated by both the PM and the queen as a moral authority.
And in many respects it is, and yet they don't abide by it, it's a case of 'do as I say not as I do'.

The democracy we have at the moment is in a state of flux, as legislation is changed to ensure maximum compliance to the state and if you question the powers that be, demonstrate, protest, then you risk falling foul of the law when doing so.
This democracy is therefore becoming less and less 'perfect'.
“a lawyer with a briefcase could steal more money than a hundred men with guns”
They can, and a politician with a banker can steal much more, perfectly legally...
And the public bail out the banks, and institutions fail in their duty of care aided by the government as in historic abuse cases, and the public are the ones to pay making many a victim twice over.

Some governments are corrupt all the time,
all governments are corrupt some of the time,
But let's just not kid ourselves that ours at the moment couldn't be better, or that they exhibit the virtues they demand because they very much do not.

Whilst I agree with some of the points you raise in this response, I do find other of your points totally redundant.

For example, considering Whitehall is the centre of Government and that Threadneedle Street is the location of The Bank of England, then I think that when I wrote:

1) "that neither Christianity or our Democracy is perfect."

2) "I will continue to use any intelligence and talents that GOD has blessed me with, and utilise any of the many freedoms which this great country has afforded me - including my vote - to try to CHANGE the 'men with briefcases' in Whitehall and Threadneedle Street who corrupt the system"

3) “a lawyer with a briefcase could steal more money than a hundred men with guns” and from politicians to heads of corporations, this is true of all men in authority not just lawyers. Which is exactly why our Democracy has never been, and still isn't, 'perfect'.

renders totally redundant your statements:

1) ...a politician with a banker can steal much more, perfectly legally... "

2) "But let's just not kid ourselves that ours (government) at the moment couldn't be better.."

Further; believe me, that I am not 'kidding' myself (and never have) about any of the corruption which has always been rife in both the Local Governments and Governments of this country in addition to the institutional and historic corruption in our Banking Systems, Judicial System, Benefits and Welfare Systems and Taxation systems, and just about every other system and institution we have.

But I still maintain that the way forward is not to try to replace Christianity as our 'State' Religion, nor to seek to dismantle our Democracy - as some people wish - but to change the people who hold office and have the authority in all our institutions, and to fight the corruption 'en masse until we have men of integrity in such positions.

I genuinely understand the points you make about the stripping away of our historic liberties and rights by stealth, but there is a way to combat and defeat those who are responsible - we did it with the 'Poll Tax' and we can all do it again.