[Tom]

Originally Posted by Shasown

No I have no problem understanding that concept, it was always there as one small infinitismal point of pure condensed energy, that was always there as a single point of pure condensed energy and it would have always been a single point of pure condenced energy unless something created a change in its state and the big bang started. Some external force, catalyst call it what you want, umm I know lets call it God, for want of a better word, God doesnt have to be an omnipowerful all knowing all loving being does he?

You see if it was an infinite singularity containing all energy/matter then something other than energy/matter would have had to create the effect, if it wasnt an infinite singularity of energy/matter then it had a beginning and if it had a beginning it had a creating force or creator - God.

God doesnt have to be as is defined in any of the religions in existance, having been in existance or even that will come into existance.

Some theories state it has always simply been in its current state and there was no start of the universe. Makes sense if you accept time is man made.